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« on: February 14, 2008, 11:50:49 pm »

Here is some speculation based on the Urantia Book concerning the 2ndGarden of Eden. This is the garden that Adam and Eve had to build by the sweat of their brow. The were expelled out of the 1stEden which lays to the west of the coast of Cyprus as discovered by Robert Sarmast. The 2nd Atlantis.

But in the following is the 2nd Garden that Adam and Eve lived for the rest of there lives until mortal death.

Here is the concerning fragment in the Urantia Book
Urantia Fragment of the 2ndGarden of Eden

Its only speculation but I wonder if there is anomaly somewhere, its a bit hard when you have city above the whole place.

The wall could be anyway between those two images in the above.


Now here is another image that I think matches in accordance with the UB.

This would be my target to verify the 2nd Garden of Eden and its wall.

What a Wall!!
and its a dead on, on target match!

But then again its not between the Tigris and Euphrates so therefore it could be somewhere else?

lets have a look at the ub info

    quote: This site was known to Adam as one of the three original selections of the committee assigned to choose possible locations for the Garden proposed by Van and Amadon. The two rivers themselves were a good natural defense in those days , and a short way north of the second garden the Euphrates and Tigris came close together so that a defense wall extending fifty-six miles could be built for the protection of the territory to the south and between the rivers

It still could be target as the wall was built a short way up the North of the Garden which doesn't imply the wall was built between the rivers. We know that that ridge is exactly 56 Miles = 91Km, that is a perfect match and the wall is the North of the Garden, that is a match as well. We know the Nodites were to North East of 2ndEden, were the wall would confront an invading force from the Nodite. Those that vacated knowing the King of the World was coming left to the North so in time they would be hostile to the Adamic progeny and would again confront the wall.

I See it in this

so that a defense wall extending fifty-six miles could be built for the protection of the territory to the south and between the rivers

Particularly, "the protection of the territory to the south and between the rivers" So really it does imply a wall was built not between the rivers but slightly to the North that protected the South and between the rivers.

I reckon thats right in relation to the UB texts. Spot on man!

I also think that perhaps the wall was built on a natural ridge! and embellished!

There appears to be ancient marks of settlement to the North of the Garden but within the wall

another view of the wall area an overview of the area! to the North of the 2ndGarden of Eden.

Or in this image under a different filter could be the remnants of the wall that ran in parallel to the ridge. I reckon I am very close match here.


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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2008, 09:38:32 pm »

Well at the end of the day the 2nd Garden of Eden could be anywhere to the South between the Narrowest point between the two rivers.

Maybe I getting a little excited about the wall area in the North but the long ridge which may have been embellished does fit the measurement of 90km in the UB exactly from one river to another river in the eastern side of the ridge where the river meets the Tigris. When you see that the natural wall and to the South appears to be surrounded by rivers as it forms a natural triangle protected area surrounded by rivers.

However, the UB seems to suggest that Eden was South of the rivers at its most closest distance to each other. But the distance of the rivers at its closets point is 36km, that is not a match. The rivers could of taken a different track in those days.

In light of that is it possible that the Euphrates and the Tigris had a different track 38,000 years ago? Where by when you look to the East of the Euphrates you see this lake where the river still fills. Could it be that in those days The Euphrates was further to the east filling the lake? leaving a wider area between the rivers that would match close to 90 km??

Actually I just measured that and its measures to 87 km which is 3km short but then the Tigris could of been further to the east by a few kilometers at that time. All questions! If this thought is right I think there would be nothing left to verify as Babylon city is there and everything would be gone or blown up.

Essentially, what has to be found out is the ancient river tracks of 38,000 years ago of Both rivers and where it matches to 56 miles or 90 km at the most narrowest point between the rivers and in its surrounding area some evidence of the wall may lay. It may be some mound of dirt with a house on it or near it. I'm sure this could done but again this wont happen for a long long time. As usual!

With the wall/ridge in the North I'm out to lunch at that currently. Someone has to go there and find out!

You know anyone in Iraq that might be interested? Any service men want to get involved in an expedition that may lead to great discovery in light of the journey? Something a little different and would involve the Iraqi people! to the path of peace through a discovery....if possible and if it can be established.

Anyway that's the thoughts so far.

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Assuming that the Euphrates was running further to the West these are the results I'm getting that may fit the position of the wall that was built by Adams family. 

The wall could be anywhere within a long narrow band.  The one measurement that seems to fit, calculate the potential wall location ending right in the heart of Baghdad measuring 90km as in the Urantia Book and its generally at a narrow point but not the narrowest.  Tigris however may of ran a different route more towards the east, as we can see the river have moved as evidence in the lagoons, evidence of changing tracks.

Here is an image to demonstrate.

Everything has to be questioned, all theories have to be searched out like all the other cities

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Hey no worries Volizter, thanks for your post III check out the Video,

ahahahaha  I just saw the video what a laugh  what a great impersonator

Well done


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Here is some fragments from the Ub trying to find clues to actual location 2ndEden.

There are many many interesting fragments in the Search, its was going through this paper.  Maybe this could be a group search among the people who would be interested in this project.

1.   The Voices of the Garden.  When the planetary course of human evolution is attaining its highest biologic level, there always appear the Material Sons and Daughters, the Adams and Eves, to augment the further evolution of the races by an actual contribution of their superior life plasm.

  The planetary headquarters of such an Adam and Eve is usually denominated the Garden of Eden,  and their   personal seraphim are often known as the "voices of the Garden.  " These seraphim are of invaluable service to the Planetary Adams   in all their projects  for   the physical and intellectual upstepping of the evolutionary races.  After the Adamic default on Urantia,   some of these seraphim were left on the planet and were assigned to Adam's successors in authority
I wonder if the Voices of the Garden is involved in these discoveries.

Oi Oi over here buddy!

Ahh just speculation but sounds nice.

Here is another details about the second Garden, looking for additional clues that I have overlooked.

In the days of the first Eden Adam had indeed sought to discourage the offering of animal sacrifice so that Cain had a justifiable precedent for his contentions.   It was, however, difficult to organize the religious life of the second Eden. Adam was burdened with a thousand and one details associated with the work of building, defense, and agriculture. ,  he intrusted the organization of worship and education to those of Nodite extraction who had served in these capacities in the first garden; and in even so short a time the officiating Nodite priests were reverting to the standards and rulings of pre-Adamic times.
"Being much depressed spiritually"   I can understand Adam for being very depressed.  How depressing it would of been for him.  All there plans down the drain just by a mistake.

and this piece about Cain and Abel

The observation of Abel's conduct establishes   the value of environment and education as factors in character development  . Abel had an ideal inheritance, and heredity lies at the bottom of all character;   but the influence of an inferior environment virtually neutralized this magnificent inheritance.

  Abel, especially during his younger years, was greatly influenced by his unfavorable surroundings. 

  He would have become an entirely different person had he lived to be twenty-five or thirty; his superb inheritance would then have shown itself. 

While a good environment cannot contribute much toward really overcoming the character handicaps of a base heredity,   a bad environment can very effectively spoil an excellent inheritance, at least during the younger years of life.

  Good social environment and proper education are indispensable soil and atmosphere for getting the most out of a good inheritance.
Learning something there.

and this piece which gives an insight into cain

  Cain's life in Mesopotamia had not been exactly happy since he was in such a peculiar way symbolic of the default. It was not that his associates were unkind to him, but he had not been unaware of their subconscious resentment of his presence. 
  But Cain knew that, since he bore no tribal mark, he would be killed by the first neighboring tribesmen who might chance to meet him. Fear, and some remorse, led him to repent. 

Cain had never been indwelt by an Adjuster, had always been   defiant of the family discipline and disdainful of his father's religion. 

  But he now went to Eve, his mother, and asked for spiritual help and guidance, and when he honestly sought divine assistance,  an Adjuster indwelt him.   And this Adjuster, dwelling within and looking out, gave Cain a distinct advantage of superiority which classed him with the greatly feared tribe of Adam. 

  And so Cain departed for the land of Nod, east of the second Eden.   

He became a great leader among one group of his father's people and did, to a certain degree, fulfill the predictions of Serapatatia, for he did promote peace between this division of the Nodites and the Adamites throughout his lifetime. 

  He became a great leader among one group of his father's people  and did, to a certain degree,   fulfill the predictions of Serapatatia, for he did promote peace between this division of the Nodites and the Adamites throughout his lifetime. 

Cain married Remona, his distant cousin, and their first son,   Enoch, became the head of the Elamite Nodites.  And for hundreds of years   the Elamites and the Adamites continued to be at peace.   
Enoch eh!  Thats interesting, mmm  Elamite Nodites eh!  In the areas where 2nd Susa lays and to the North of 1Susa and 2nd Dilmun all in the Elamite territory but submerged. 

Here is an insight of life in the Garden[/size]

As time passed in the second garden, the consequences of default became increasingly apparent.   Adam and Eve greatly missed their former home of beauty and tranquillity as well as their children who had been deported to Edentia. 
  It was indeed pathetic to observe this magnificent couple reduced to the status of the common flesh of the realm; but they bore their diminished estate with grace and fortitude. 
It was indeed pathetic to observe this magnificent couple reduced to the status of the common flesh of the realm; but they bore their diminished estate with grace and fortitude.

  Adam wisely spent most of the time training his children and their associates in civil administration, educational methods, and religious devotions.  Had it not been for this foresight, pandemonium would have broken loose upon his death. As it was, the death of Adam made little difference in the conduct of the affairs of his people. But long before Adam and Eve passed away,   they recognized that their children and followers had gradually learned to forget the days of their glory in Eden.  And it was better for the majority of their followers that they did forget the grandeur of Eden; they were not so likely to experience undue dissatisfaction with their less fortunate environment.
"they recognized that their children and followers had gradually learned to forget the days of their glory in Eden."   Not these days eh!

and this piece[/size]

Adam's caravan had carried the seeds and bulbs of hundreds of plants and cereals of the first garden with them to the land between the rivers; they also had brought along extensive herds and some of all the domesticated animals.   Because of this they possessed great advantages over the surrounding tribes. They enjoyed many of the benefits of the previous culture of the original Garden. 
and this

The Adamites greatly excelled the surrounding peoples in cultural achievement and intellectual development.   They produced the third alphabet and otherwise laid the foundations for much that was the forerunner of modern art, science, and literature.   

Here in the lands between the Tigris and Euphrates   they maintained the arts of writing, metalworking, pottery making, and weaving and   produced a type of architecture that was not excelled in thousands of years
and this

Their religious concepts of Deity and the universe were advanced and more or less accurate, their health provisions were, for their time, excellent, and   their methods of education have never since been surpassed.

Adam and Eve were the founders of the violet race of men, the ninth human race to appear on Urantia. Adam and his offspring had blue eyes, and the violet peoples were characterized by fair complexions and light hair color--yellow, red, and brown.
"their methods of education have never since been surpassed."  I believe that 

and this

  Adam and Eve and their first generation of children did not use the flesh of animals for food.  They subsisted wholly upon   "the fruits of the trees."  After the first generation all of the descendants of Adam began to partake of dairy products, but many of them continued to follow a nonflesh diet. Many of the   southern tribes  with whom they later united were also nonflesh eaters.   Later on, most of these vegetarian tribes migrated to the east and survived as now admixed in the peoples of India.    
Interesting part about India and you can still that today!  Non flesh diet with many people.

and this about the abilities of Adam

  Both the physical and spiritual visions of Adam and Eve were far superior to those of the present-day peoples. 

  Their special senses were much more acute, and they were able to see the midwayers and the angelic hosts, the Melchizedeks, and the fallen Prince Caligastia, who several times came to confer with his noble successor. 

  They retained the ability to see these celestial beings for over one hundred years after the default. 

  These special senses were not so acutely present in their children and tended to diminish with each succeeding generation.  These special senses were not so acutely present in their children and tended to diminish with each succeeding generation.
Here is fragment about the location of the second garden

After becoming established in the second garden on the Euphrates  , Adam elected to leave behind as much of his life plasm as possible to benefit the world after his death.    
and connection to the Andites

Though these candidate mothers were selected from all the surrounding tribes and represented most of the races on earth,   the majority were chosen from the highest strains of the Nodites, and they constituted the early beginnings of the mighty Andite race.  These children were born and reared in the tribal surroundings of   their respective mothers.    
The great Andite race.

Here is a clue to attitude

  Not long after the establishment of the second Eden, Adam and Eve were duly informed that their repentance was acceptable, and that, while they were 

Page 852 doomed to suffer the fate of the mortals of their world, they should certainly become eligible for admission to the ranks of the sleeping survivors of Urantia.   They fully believed this gospel of resurrection and rehabilitation which the Melchizedeks so touchingly proclaimed to them. Their transgression had been an error of judgment and   not the sin of conscious and deliberate rebellion. 
and lastly this touching piece between Jesus(Michael and Adam and could also be attached to the ancient places.

Adam knew about the dispensational resurrection which occurred simultaneously with his arrival on the planet, and he believed that he and his companion would probably be repersonalized in connection with the advent of the next order of sonship. He did not know that Michael, the sovereign of this universe was so soon to appear on Urantia; he expected that the next Son to arrive would be of the Avonal order.   Even so, it was always a comfort to Adam and Eve, as well as something difficult for them to understand, to ponder the only personal message they ever received from Michael. 

This message, among   other expressions of friendship and comfort, said: 

"I have given consideration to the circumstances of your default,   I have remembered the desire of your hearts ever to be loyal to my Father's will, and you will be called from the embrace of mortal slumber when I come to Urantia if the subordinate Sons of my realm do not send for you before that time." 

  And this was a great mystery to Adam and Eve  . They could comprehend the veiled promise of a possible special resurrection in this message, and such a possibility greatly cheered them,  but they could not grasp the meaning of the intimation that they might rest until the time of a resurrection associated with Michael's personal appearance on Urantia.  And so the   Edenic pair always proclaimed that a Son of God would sometime come, and they communicated to their loved ones the belief, at least the longing hope, that the world of their blunders and sorrows might possibly be the realm whereon the ruler of this universe would elect to function as the Paradise bestowal Son.  It seemed too good to be true, but Adam did entertain the thought that strife-torn Urantia might, after all,   turn out to be the most fortunate world in the system of Satania, the envied planet of all Nebadon. 

Adam lived for 530 years; he died of what might be termed old age. His physical mechanism simply wore out; the process of disintegration gradually gained on the process of repair, and the inevitable end came. Eve had died nineteen years previously of a weakened heart. They were both buried in   the center of the temple  of   divine service  which had been built in accordance with their plans   soon after the wall of the colony had been completed.  And   this was the origin of the practice of burying noted and pious men and women under the floors of the places of worship.
Very interesting and touching.

and this beautiful piece


  Adam and Eve went to their mortal rest with strong faith in the promises made to them by the Melchizedeks  that they would sometime awake from the sleep of death to resume life on the mansion worlds, worlds all so familiar to them in the days preceding their mission in the material flesh of the violet race on Urantia.

They did not long rest in the oblivion of the unconscious sleep of the mortals of the realm.   On the third day after Adam's death, the second following his reverent burial, the orders of Lanaforge, sustained by the acting Most High of Edentia and concurred in by the Union of Days on Salvington, acting for Michael, were placed in Gabriel's hands, directing the special roll call of the distinguished survivors of the Adamic default on Urantia.

  And in accordance with this mandate of special resurrection, number twenty-six of the Urantia series, 

  Adam and Eve were repersonalized and reassembled in the resurrection halls of the mansion worlds of Satania together with 1,316 of their associates in the experience of the first garden.

  Many other loyal souls had already been translated at the time of Adam's arrival  , which was attended by   a dispensational adjudication of both the sleeping survivors and of the   living qualified ascenders.   

Adam and Eve quickly passed through the worlds of progressive ascension until they attained citizenship on Jerusem, once again to be residents of the planet of their origin but this time as members of a different order of universe personalities. They left Jerusem as permanent citizens--Sons of God; they returned as ascendant citizens--sons of man.   They were immediately attached to the Urantia service on the system capital,  later being assigned membership
Page 854 among   the four and twenty counselors who constitute the present advisory-control body of Urantia. 
That was beautiful.  All of the above comes this paper in my quest to find clues to the Second Garden

  The 2nd Garden 

It appears to me that Adam and Eve lived on the Euphrates at the western side of the Garden between the rivers.

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Im looking for any record of ancient walls. There might be some stuff but in the wrong location unless the rivers narrowed further south, anyway its interesting

Advance and retreat from Ctesiphon, 1915

Ctesiphon is a good defensive position located in a 6 mile long loop of the Tigris river. The Turks had formed a well camouflaged and formidable line of trenches crossing the river. There were two lines of trenches, there was also a twenty foot high ancient wall three miles south of the main line used for observation by the Turks.

Looking for anything really

Maybe the wall would look similar to this

found at

or perhaps it could look like this fragmented mounds of dirt

and this fragment from 1st Book of Adam and Eve, bare in mind that the inhabitants that fled the location upon the advance of Adam had groves that they abandoned.

Adam mourns over the changed conditions. Adam and Eve enter the Cave of Treasures.
1 But Adam and Eve cried for having come out of the garden, their first home. 2 And indeed, when Adam looked at his flesh, that was altered, he cried bitterly, he and Eve, over what they had done. And they walked and went gently down into the Cave of Treasures. 3 And as they came to it, Adam cried over himself and said to Eve, "Look at this cave that is to be our prison in this world, and a place of punishment! 4 What is it compared with the garden? What is its narrowness compared with the space of the other? 5 What is this rock, by the side of those groves? What is the gloom of this cavern, compared with the light of the garden? 6 What is this overhanging ledge of rock to shelter us, compared with the mercy of the Lord that overshadowed us? 7 What is the soil of this cave compared with the garden land? This earth, strewed with stones; and that, planted with delicious fruit trees?" 8 And Adam said to Eve, "Look at your eyes, and at mine, which before beheld angels praising in heaven; and they too, without ceasing. 9 But now we do not see as we did; our eyes have become of flesh; they cannot see like they used to see before." 10 Adam said again to Eve, "What is our body today, compared to what it was in former days, when we lived in the garden?" 11 After this, Adam did not want to enter the cave, under the overhanging rock; nor would he ever want to enter it. 12 But he bowed to God's orders; and said to himself, "Unless I enter the cave, I shall again be a transgressor."

So obviously there were prepared Groves near the place where the former people lived, the Cave of Treasures and fled after hearing that Adam was on the way with his people.

The people that fled went to the east.  Note the question mark beside the Groves? in the text!

Isaiah also mentions not to forget the former things and the definition of the former things is seen in this verse in the book of Adam and Eve and makes direct connection to 1stEden of Cyprus.

"to what it was in former days, when we lived in the garden?" "  This appears to be a direct link between Isaiah and the the first ancient places which in this case relates to 1st Eden directly.

Here is something our of Enich that may connection to the former thing, the 1stEden

1Enoch 89:39
I also saw that the Lord of the sheep produced a new house,
great and loftier than the former, which He bounded by the former
circular spot.
All its pillars were new, and its ivory new, as well as
more abundant than the former ancient ivory,
which he had brought out.

Very reflective of the journey to ancient places in a literal and in metaphor.

and I like this one to

1 Enoch 92:17 The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers shine with sevenfold splendor for ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in righteousness.

I believe this is the Sevenfold connection of the new earth and heaven and its is associated with the Sevenfold.

Maybe another connection

4 In the days of judgement over the former, they shall bless Him for the mercy in accordance with 5 which He has assigned them (their lot).' Then I blessed the Lord of Glory and set forth His glory and lauded Him gloriously.

It seems that judgement is attached to the former things, which includes the former things of the past and that have relation to 1stEden.

Moving on

Here is the Isaiah fragment which came to mind before.

9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Just states plainly, the former things of relating to 1stEden making the connection to the book of Adam and Eve.

Here is one from Sarah's book, the Sepher.

The Third Path is the Sanctifying Intelligence, and is the basis of foundation of Primordial Wisdom, which is called the Former of faith, and its roots, Amen; and it is the parent of Faith, from which virtues doth Faith emanate.

Here is a fragment from Haggai but I haven't got the chapter because  its late and Im doing a speed lightning search.

9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the Lord of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts.

and here is a curous connection to Jane Lead about the former things

is indeed a Sign of the near Approach of the Overthrowing of the Kingdom of this Anitchristian Beast, may very well be hop’d: yea there can be no manner of doubt made hereof by them, who are wise to search into the Calendar of former ages, or who have but an Ear open to hear and receive what by Truth’s Infallible Oracle it self deliver’

That was interesting kinda like support for the journey to the ancient places.

Here Isaiah 44
22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.

The above was a powerful and all made sense to the journey.  Huge!

And here is Isiaih again

Isaiah 46.9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Oh, another huge discovery, Isaiah come into my mind before and look how powerful it is in relation to the journey.  Very, very powerful and direct connection to 1stEden as in the former place mention in Book of Adam and eve.  Real definition.

Oh and another powerful one by Isaiah

Isaiah 48:2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The Lord of hosts is his name.

3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

There you go all about the ancient places and an exact description of this experience.  No doubt about it.

And III end with this interesting piece

Zechariah 7  11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. 12 Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the Lord of hosts hath sent in his spirit by  the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the Lord of hosts. 13 Therefore it is come to pass, that as he cried, and they would not hear; so they cried, and I would not hear, saith the Lord of hosts:

Zechariah 8 11 But now I will not be unto the residue of this people as in the former days, saith the Lord of hosts. 12 For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things. 13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.

Well the above and all the scripture are completely relevant and judgment is attached.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm done and doing my job, if no one hears and makes fun or spurns and scorns this project, thats your problem, not mine, all I know is that judgement is attached via the connection of the definition of the former things as in the book of Adam and eve relating to 1Eden and connected with the prophets and scriptures of all places and there is more to go.  But it late.

So I believe the parting of the ways is directly related to the former places and the former things which are the same.

Good luck everyone, because all will need it at a time place that no one knows it will just happen.

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