Ancient South America & It's Connection to Atlantis (Original)

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   posted 01-29-2006 09:14 PM                       
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Only by myth. But my experience leads me to believe that myth is as accurate a measurement as CO-14. I have some wonderful "writing down" of Maya legends. I'm just trying to figure out how they can best be "published." Just putting it out there isn't going to do it.
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   posted 01-30-2006 12:55 AM                       
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Originally posted by Herr_Saltzman:
And ATL in Indo-Euroepan languages is connected with "To Bear" it has nothing to do with water. ATLANTIS was not the name of Atlantis.
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You don't know that "Atlantis" didn't actually bear that name, Herr Saltzman. Neither the Egyptian priest, nor Solon, nor Plato was specific about which names were changed, only that some things were changed to Greek.

Atl" means "water" in Aztec Nahuatl.

"Antis" means "copper" in Quechua of the Incas. It is also the origin of the "Andes" mountains making Atlantis the perfect name for the continent we today call South America.

(to quote 50 points)

And if you've read the legend of Tunapa I posted, you can see that both it and he bear a striking resemblance to Poseidon and Cleito.
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Thank you for the information on Caral, Artemis.


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Originally posted by oscar:
Morrison: Do you know Spanish? If you need assistance and wanna know the translation of something -or anyone here- please, do ask me.
Regarding the name Atlantis, Jin says the name ATL means "water" in Central America and he's right cos since I like languages I've read Charles Berlitz and I already knew for a long time, that translation is correct. Antis reminds us ANDES. The mixture of both names give us Atlantis and the very name Atlantic Ocean and many places in both extremes of that ocean using the letters ATL indeed indicate something happened in the past. But we are not gonna understand the thing ignoring the expanding earth theory. In that theory the splitting of South America happened differently from North America. If my memory doesn
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Thanks for confirming that, Oscar, my Spanish is very rusty.

The "Antis/Andes" only goes to show that the truth has been staring us all in the face for all this time, yet people have refused to see it.

We have seen that cocoa has been found with Egyptian mummies. Do you know of any other evidence of contacts between South America and the Mediterranean?

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Originally posted by George Erikson:
SEA ROUTE TO WEST COAST OF SO AMERICA

SEA ROUTES OF ANCIENT NAVIGATORS TO THE AMERICAS

Following the trade winds and tropical equatorial currents ancient voyagers would have encountered a series of islands including what we now call the Windward Islands of the Caribbean... except instead of being the "bare bones" left after Atlantis "sank", the islands would have been much larger than they are today due to substantially lower sea levels at the end of the Pleistocene (11,500 ybp). Continuing west the navigators would also have encountered a Puerto Rico, Hispaniola, Cuba, etc. that would have been more than twice their current size, just as the Bahamas Bank would have been one large island. But in every case navigation around and through the Caribbean would have been possible. This progress west would have been stopped only at the western end of the Caribbean, at what we now call Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. This was the main "island-continent" of Atlantis, and although it was boundless north and south displaying the notion of "continent" it was easily traversed east to west across these narrow lands, thus displying the charteristic of "island". Once traversed the navigators would have encountered what was a very duifferent body of water, with substantially greater wave intervals. This was the Pacific or "true ocean." It was the way to other islands and to the true continent of Asia (which could not be crossed in a six day walk). Of course, to accept this you would have to believe that ancient navigators had actually circumnavigated the world and knew about the narrow size of the center of the Americas and of the great size of both the Pacific and of Asia. I believe it.

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George, I actually believe it, too. If a South American culture was the basis for Atlantis (and all evidence would seem to suggest that it was), then it was also the same culture that navigated the earth, leaving it's mark, in every place from Asia to the Mediterranean.

I have two pressing questions at this point:

1> Did this culture actually make war with Athens?

2> What exact time frame can we set it in?

Once those questions are solved, all other things will fall into place.
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Near the plain again, and also in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side. Jowett

and, moreover, near the plain, over against its centre, at a distance of about fifty stades, there stood a mountain that was low on all sides. Bury

and near the middle of this plain about fifty stades inland a hill of no great size. Lee

At this location we find the volcanic mountain of Pampa Aullagas, a central cone on top of a low plateau fifty stades or five miles from the inland sea of Lake Poopo

http://www.geocities.com/pampaaullagas/lowmountain.htm

http://www.geocities.com/pampaaullagas/statements50points.htm
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George, I didn't say ATL is a Spanish word, I said according to Jim (and Berlitz who was a linguist) ATL means water and that prefix is in both sides of ATLantic Ocean which indeed is a vaste amount of water that our Herr Jew-German friend doesn't want to see cos he prefers to focus in the languages of his liking.
The problem is many people try to arrange the things according to their favorite truth and disregard the pieces of the puzzle that don't like. In Colombia, there's a legend about Sun-God of the Chibchas tribe, Bochica, who came with his wife from the East traveling upon CAMELS. And we know elephants are depicted in Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador, Bolivia. So, people imagine these people HAD to see those animals in other continents or transported elephants in ships made of reeds(!), etc. Even if they find evidence these animals were still living mere thousands of years ago, the orthodoxism will reject the idea and would say Chaac Mol was a parrot, a bat, a butterfly or even the tongue of a rattlesnake (not getting out of its mouth but depicted as a trunk!)
www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/jpg/fig128.jpg
www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/jpg/fig131.jpg
www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/jpg/fig133.jpg
The authorities of Jalapa museum in Mexico got rid of an elephant toy cos the very presence was incomodating them with unanswered questions.
The very fact we can "create" a hybrid between lamas and camels makes us think about the blood relationship of these animals thousands of years ago, if their ancestral Macrauquenia (a bit like Alf features) or Camelops hesternus and Hemiauchenia macrocephala were living millions of years ago or just thousands of years ago (like the Celecantus which was still living after millions of years of "evolution"):
www.cnn.com/EARTH/9801/20/cama.ap/rama_large.jpg
www.cnn.com/EARTH/9801/20/cama
www.datadubai.com/cama1.htm
www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/camels.asp
As I say, we can't ignore the theory of expanding earth and of course, if we wanna focus in Central America all our view will check only the navigation and currents considering only that. South America had access to Atlantic Ocean in those days according to some maps and this was when Titicaca was a sea. Also, people usually forget the Egyptians believed the South was "up". If we spin the globe to make South Pole to be "up", then Egypt is down and in the middle as they thought and Africa will be seen in the middle of a vast body of water. South America to the right and Indonesia islands to the left.
www.earth360.com/his-atlantis.html
Now, this theory is not considering the expansive earth data and we would have to ask ourselves if the earth changed its axis before or after, things nobody knows and keep on making theories. The whole thing is a riddle. Even speculations about the size of islands, etc cos using our data we can't reproduce the events of the past. Geologists can't explain not even the forces involved in the splitting of Pangea and it seems the earth had the shape of the egg and was smaller so Pangea wouldn't even fit if we disregard the expansive-earth theory. We don't know our past, that's simple truth, all of us here are merely speculating.

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http://www.earth360.com/history_atlantis.html

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Herr, oops! You ain't German but Austrian.

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About the name ATL my comment was AFTER THE PERIOD that ended my offering regarding Spanish. And then I added: "Regarding the name Atlantis, Jim says the name ATL means "water" in Central America....". As we know, Central America does not only speak Spanish but Quiche the language of Mayas and Nahuatl the language of the Aztecas. We can say the same about South America, most of the people in the Andes still speak Quechua of the Incas or Aymara from Bolivia and Guaraní in Brazil and Paraguay besides the many languages of the Amazon tribes.

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Regarding Sanskrit, may I add something to Mr. Herr?
If we use Sanskrit to explain the true meaning of "Atlantis," we'll learn that the initial A means "Not; No longer." The final Tis derives from the Sanskrit Desa, Des, or Tes, meaning "Nation." Atlantis = "No-Longer-the-'Tlan'-or-'Tollán'-Nation." When A-Tlan-Tis sank under the ocean named after it, it certainly ceased to exist. However, the westernmost extreme of Atlantis, which is Mexico, is still above water. It continues to be Tollán or Tlan. Yet, we are not talking about Mexico but what was Atlantis.
In Sanskrit, Talan = "Surface; a place on the surface." The N refers to the people living on this surface. A (not; no longer)-Talan (on the surface)-Tes/Des (nation; land. Tlan or Tollán is the part that remained above water. Even in Nahuatl, Tlan/Tollán = "Surface; a place." In Greek, Tala means "To bear; support; hold up." There is still another Sanskrit meaning: "God Shiva." Talan = "People of God Shiva."

Sanskrit Atala = "Not to bear; not to hold up; bottomless; underneath; underworld; Hell." Atalan can mean any or all of the following: "People of Hell; People of the underworld." Patala and Atala were both Sanskrit names for America because the ancient Hindus dumped all their undesirables here: cannibals; criminals; murderers; opponents of the caste system, etc. The Pah prefix was a further insult to the people they wanted to stay out of India: "animal ****; dungheap; manure." Patala or Atala was not as paradaisical as Plato portrayed it.
The Mayan word "thallac" means what is not solid and we find similar Thalath, the Babylon goddess of chaos. Thalassa in Greek means "sea" and Aztec god of rain was Tlaloc. The Nahuatl word for "water" is ATL which is the same word used by Berbers in North Africa.
The problem is we're dealing here with a name which is a combination of ATL and ANTIS heard and passed through generations and oral deformation as interpreted by a Greek. This is just a translation. So, not to be deceived just by names we requiere to study something about the history of the names of the countries and you will have many surprises. Therefore, we need more than linguistic approach in this tread. Unfortunately we ignore the geological facts of our past which adds to the MESS.

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I forgot to say in Sanskrit TALAN also means "deprived from its pillars". Talan is nothing but inverted homophonous sound of ATLAN in case anybody noticed.

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Oscar,

Interesting.

I wonder how "Atlatl", the throwing device, fits into there.....

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Morrison- how's it going man?
I like this topic because somewhere throughout this forum connections between Incans, Mayans, And Atlanteans are always being discussed directly and indirectly......

I see the connection your wanting to make on this.
If you want, why don't we see what rumors about Atlantis share with Egypt, South America and the world.

One of the first things that come to mind is the Atlantean Death Ray. Something like this was rumored to exist in Italy I beleive.
Not saying that Italy is Atlantis. However, Italian exploration into many lands may have also adapted well when returned fresh from the mind of the beholder.

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I just saw myth busters the other day, which was about this "death ray", they had MIT do a contest to see who could build a reflective "death ray"..As far as using polished brass, modern mirrors, they could not get a staionary boat to flame until it was brought 75 feet away from mirrors, and forget about a moving vessel..If this myth is true, the "death Ray" was made of some other material or it was not reflected sunlight.

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Oscar,

Sorry, I can see you know your nahuATL.

Morrisson,
"1> Did this culture actually make war with Athens?

2> What exact time frame can we set it in?"

1, Maybe. But If there is any part of Plato's narratives that is made up I would assume that Plato's bringing his native Greece into the story is the most suspicious.

2, Glacier retreat, Bursting great lakes, sudden sea-level rise, disappearance of mega-fauna in the Americas, all point to some great happening 11,500 years ago (just as Plato said). However, there is evidence that something substantial happened around 3300 to 3500 BC. Apocalypto?

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