The Meaning of Existence (Original)

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Dawn Moline

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   posted 06-02-2005 10:45 PM                       
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Ishtar, we must discriminate between individuals and their actions. I can even learn to hate the actions, while not hating the individuals who perform them. There is good and evil in everyone, and often those who commit evil believe they are doing good. Often the worst things happen out of those with the best intentions. We must never forget the old saying, "there but with the grace of God, go I...}

But, in regards to the original point, hatred cannot be met with more hatred. It should be met with understanding instead. That is the only way we can hope to reach one another.

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   posted 06-02-2005 10:49 PM                       
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Norman,

And what comments would you have me offer on it? If any of you wish to say things to hurt me, feel free. I would rather each of you vented at me than at each other. I said that before, and I meant it.

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Volitzer

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Every religion has its hypocrites Catholics are just more obvious about it. I'm Catholic myself and have made the observation personally.

Religion in and of itself was probably started by exo-humans to help this planet climb out of its downfall. However politics will screw up anything well intended. Hence the decline of religion of organized religion around the world.
Despite all this people remain spiritual. You'd be suprised how many ex-Catholics join many non-denominational masses. Thereby maintaining the message but not getting into the politics.

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You think that's bad you should have been in NY during the 2004 elections...   

The stuff that was said then...     

Would've made Eddie Murphy and Eric Cartman blush.   

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   posted 06-02-2005 11:12 PM                       
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Good point, Volitzer!

And Dawn, you sure have a lot more patience than I would have with Norman. I don't know how you can listen to half the dripping vile hatred that seems to be directed towards you around here. You are truly a forgiving person. I'd like to pop him myself sometimes.
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  posted 06-08-2005 09:52 PM                       
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I think you speak for most of us here when you say that, Jennifer O'Dell.

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And what comments would you have me offer on it? If any of you wish to say things to hurt me, feel free. I would rather each of you vented at me than at each other. I said that before, and I meant it.
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Dawn, when will you stop this act of yours? You play the role of the martyr, but we also know from what you have confessed here that you are immoral, promscuous, and that you have a deep aversion to organized religion. Each word you write here has but one purpose, to turn others away from Christianity. You may think you can assume the role of Christ, but you are not Christ. You are just another lost soul who has lost their way, and, since it is beyond you to find the way back, you try and drag others down your way with you.

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   posted 06-12-2005 02:18 AM                       
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Calvin, I have just spent the last few minutes reading some of your "posts" tonight.

Aren't you going just a bit heavy on the Bible thumping for one night? It's Saturday night, just think, in a few hours...church! What do you care who is doing what with who tonight? Why do you keep coming here anyway if, apparently, you can find so few people to agree with you?
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  posted 06-13-2005 05:57 PM                       
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Well, there you people go again, now insulting Catholics, even though it is one of the oldest and certainly the most respected religion on the planet…- Norman Pounders
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Goddess worship was established before written history


Hinduism approximately 3000 BCE


Judaism is the oldest known monotheistic religion about 2000 BCE


Christianity around the year 30 CE


The Roman Catholic Church was founded by the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine at the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE


Islam was founded 622 CE


I guess in the scheme of things Catholicism has been around for 1680 years! You are right Norman it is old! Not the oldest however, nice try though. So by the factual dates provided it is safe to say out of the 6 major religions practiced throughout the world, Catholicism is the second youngest behind Islam.

If by respected you mean feared, then you hit the nail on the head. There was a brief time in history about 675 years not much is going on, if you live in Rome you are a Catholic, if you denounce it you die. Simple, cut and dry. Again I go back to facts. Sorry blanket statements won’t work for me.

By the 11 century in their zeal to establish Christ’s kingdom, the popes (popes were just the local pastor of a church, unlike today’s deification of a mortal man, blasphemous if you ask me.) came up with this great little plan, let’s use the Crusades to “cleanse” the Holy Land. As Crusaders we conquering Jerusalem, you know using brute force and weapons to demand obedience, they raped the women, pillaged and slaughtered thousands of innocent people in the name of GOD….. Norman I can see where the respect/fear comes in… I am going to paraphrase here; killing, raping, and pillaging all good when done in gods name…..whew thanks for clearing that up Norman.

OK, let’s not dwell on that, for one example is by far not enough! So I shall move on.

In the summer of 1209 CE an ARMY of orthodox Catholics attacked and murdered 60,000+ unarmed civilians, the men, the women and for only god knows why the children. The entire city was sacked; yes some of these 60,000 were Catholics, but the papal legates ordered them to keep on the killing, for god knows his own……

At Minerve, 14,000 Christians were put to death in the flames, and ears, noses, and lips of the "heretics" were cut off by the "faithful." Norman I see hate, despair, and intolerance of others….. Completely different from the free will that Christ preached…..

In 1254 Pope Alexander the IV the Office of the Inquisition within Italy…Doesn’t the inquisition contradict the simplest principles of Christian justice and to love thy neighbor? If Christ wasn’t resurrected he would have turned over in his grave during that time….

So let’s talk about the reason the Catholic church is extremely wealthy, after the victims of the inquisition were finished being tortured and safe to say murdered, their personal property were confiscated by the church building their wealth and leaving the victims family in poverty…… many centuries of this type of behavior followed and finally it was abolished in 1820…….1820!!! It saddens me that such evil is praised and still worshiped to this day….. Sure most followers are kind and generous; it is the established church that fails to meet the ideals of Jesus Christ.

Hey Norman if this chaps you butt, I am sorry but the truth shall set you free. I did not include my references on purpose. I want you to explore and read as much as you can on your religion. No matter what you find or even if you do nothing with what I have shared, always remember knowledge is power.

Matthew 7 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

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   posted 06-14-2005 10:05 PM                       
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Ishtar & Docyabut, please review Shedthefear's last post and then tell me once again how nice the Christians are.

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   posted 06-14-2005 10:26 PM                       
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In the summer of 1209 CE an ARMY of orthodox Catholics attacked and murdered 60,000+ unarmed civilians, the men, the women and for only god knows why the children. The entire city was sacked; yes some of these 60,000 were Catholics, but the papal legates ordered them to keep on the killing, for god knows his own……

At Minerve, 14,000 Christians were put to death in the flames, and ears, noses, and lips of the "heretics" were cut off by the "faithful." Norman I see hate, despair, and intolerance of others….. Completely different from the free will that Christ preached…..
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Wow, I wonder if anyone still thinks that the Crusades were a good idea.

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Jade there was enough oppression in history to go around in the world, from all beliefs, but thats not what Jesus Christ was all about.
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Ishtar

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  posted 06-14-2005 10:31 PM                       
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I don't know what to tell you jade go ask Tom he is better at this then me , darlin.

All I can say is if you look at religion through out the history of mankind it is rather ugly.

All of them not just christianity.

For instance, the Aztecs worshipped a war god called Huitzilopochtli, who took on the likeness of the sun over time. It was thought that in order to insure the sun's arrival each day, a steady supply of human hearts had to be offered in holy sacrifice (Hogg:43).

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  posted 06-14-2005 10:33 PM                       
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I actually don't know any christians that burn witches any longer , thank goodness, and know quite a few who are very open minded.

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Jesus could at any time got out of his mission. However he came to teach us the laws of our true being. And how to overcome death and the fears of this world.
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