The Meaning of Existence (Original)

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   posted 05-24-2005 10:14 PM                       
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Welcome to the discussion,Chronos. What surprises me is how many people have been drawn to the Atlantis forum that don't really come here to discuss Atlantis anymore. Some of the people come here to discuss anything but Atlantis. There's no question that the best researchers here go to the Atlantis forum, that level of research is far above anything I've seen posted in some of the other areas. And yet, most of you seasoned researchers, yourself included, don't seem to have as much to say about it as you once did.

I think it's because, you truly have investigated it from every possible angle and have yet to find a solution. Perhaps there is no solution because it really didn't exist.

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   posted 05-24-2005 10:18 PM                       
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Wow, what nice words to Dawn, Anteros.

Much as I am drawn to Atlantis, I just come here to read about it. The level of research is so high that I don't think I could contribute anything new to it. I am interested in it, though, and learn a lot from what everyone posts over there…though a lot of it is over my head.
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   posted 05-24-2005 10:21 PM                       
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Actually, Aristotle, I do still have a lot to say on it, but finding the time to say it is another thing. And I disagree that researchers aren't still adding a lot to it over there. Riven, Atalante and Rajeesh still come up with an awful lot, and I think that Rich has also added a lot to it as well.

I actually voted for Riven in the poll, and I would have wanted to vote for Atalante, too, if I was able to. Inviting as these philosophical discussions may be, it is still the research that keeps me coming back, not the arguments.

Did Atlantis exist? Perhaps not in the exact manner that Plato said it did, but yes, I believe so.

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This is actually a good direction to move this discussion. I know I haven't done much with Atlantis recently, but I am as interested in it as anyone else. For many here, Atlantis plays a big role in the meaning of existence. What is it about Atlantis that draws it to it, more than any other civilization? More than Lemuria or the Mayans? What sets it apart, and what makes us so interested in it?

Because in it, we see ourselves, in order to understand the future, we must first cope with the past.

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Finding Atlantis has as much to do with our future as our past. Mankind is so interested in it because it was a highly developed civilization that, one way or another, became evil and was destroyed. Ours is a highly developed civilization, probably also falling from grace, and we wonder if the same thing would happen to us, as well.
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I don't believe Plato's account, and, for my part, have studied the Greeks just like any of you in the Atlantis section.

But say for a moment Atlantis did exist, in exactly the same manner that Plato said it did, concentric rings, large rectangular plane, Temple of Poseidon, elephant bones, the whole thing. Say one of you over there would be lucky enough to find it, whether it be Cyprus, the Atlantic, Morocco, wherever…what would it really change about your lives, in the long run?

You'd still be the same people you were before you found it, the human race would be the same race it was before it would be found.

Too much emphasis is placed on our past to make ourselves feel important. We are important simply because we are here in the first place and are able to determine our own destinies and that should be important enough.

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We search for Atlantis because we like to believe we lived in an age better than this one is. Most people who search for it dream of a utopia. In Atlantis, we invest many of our hopes and dreams, and each of us tends to make of it whatever we will. It is our past calling to us from across the void. There's no right or wrong to it. If so many people are drawn to it, than it cannot help but to be right, can it?

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Finding Atlantis, Aristotle, would rewrite human history, and that is enough for me.

And, once again, I disagree that finding it would not change the human condition. Of course, it would. If it really is found, and, by some chance, happens to be all Plato says it is (I do think he exaggerated some parts ot if). It would give humanity a new sense of itself, a new identity. It would fill in some of the holes in human history. And I could care less where it really turns out to be - Cyprus, the Atlantic, Morrocco, just so long as we do find it someday.

We are a species with amnesia, and one day we will awaken and find we had a much different past than we now presume...

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I always thought of Atlantis being in the Caribbean. I've always found the whole Bimini Wall thing a bit under-stated, it doesn't look to me like a natural formation.
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What bothers me the most about the Atlantis forum is that they are so reluctant to consider all the other theories over there and that the Cayce stuff isn't given much consideration. People keep forgetting that the Plato account is nine thousand years after the fact, which wouldn't make it very accurate. Other accounts, even if they are by psychics, might be just as accurate.

Also, the vision things posted by Angela Micol and Eren I also found fascinating. Too bad we can't spend more time talking about them, too.

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  posted 05-25-2005 01:05 AM                       
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Stacy,

can you point out ONE THING that Cayce channeled that came true? 

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I think that the meaning of existence is to learn and create, and thereby to increase the "ALL" i.e creation itself. I also believe that the divine permeates all things and to understand the nature of the divine we must understand ourselves. Everyone has there on path to walk because everyone is different, but the destination is the same. However the destination is not the point the journey is. Just my own thoughts on the matter.


"the truth cannot be told only found"

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  posted 05-25-2005 08:11 AM                       
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Seeker,
seems that your own thoughts on the matter are doin' just fine.  

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Thank you Abs 


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Stacy,

can you point out ONE THING that Cayce channeled that came true?
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I can point to a bunch of things, Absonite, but I'll let this excerpt speak for me:


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The sleeping prophet, as Cayce has been nicknamed, predicted the beginning and end of both the First and Second World Wars, and the lifting of the Depression in 1933. In the 1920s, he first warned of coming racial strife in the United States, and in 1939 he predicted the deaths of two presidents in office; "Ye are to have turmoils -- ye are to have strife between capital and labor. Ye are to have a division in thy own land, before ye have the second of the Presidents that next will not live through his office... a mob rule!" President Franklin D. Roosevelt died in office in April 1945. In November 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas, when racial tensions in the United States were at their height. "Unless there is more give and take,"Cayce said, "consideration for those who produce, with better division of the excess profits from labor, there must be greater turmoil in the land.

In October 1935, Cayce spoke of the coming holocaust in Europe. The Austrians and Germans, he said, and later the Japanese, would take sides. "Thus an unseen force, gradually growing, must result in an almost direct opposition to the Nazi, or Aryan theme. This will gradually produce a growth of animosities. And unless there is interference by what many call supernatural forces and influences -- which are active in the affairs of nations and peoples -- the whole world as it were... will be set on fire by militaristic groups and people who are for power expansion."
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I actually also heard that he predicted the exact start and end dates for World War II, but I'm too lazy to go hunting for them.

http://www.crystalinks.com/directory2.html

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