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The Azores Islands: their Relationship to Atlantis

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« Reply #210 on: July 30, 2012, 12:33:16 am »

The Anasazi have a legend that talks of a fiery sky serpent destroying the civilizations on the islands of the Carribean, or more specifically Tulapin (Turtle Island), their homeland. One can imagine an elongate meteor, rotating as it enters the atmosphere, creating a wiggly, snake like trail. The speed at which a meteor enters the atmosphere also gives the visual impression of the speed of a striking snake.

From Andrew Collins book; "Gateway to Atlantis" we get the following interesting information.

Many native American traditions tell of:…a moon fell out of the sky, onto the earth. During it's passage through the sky it looked like a feiry snake, there were terrible earth quakes and the day turned into night, there was a gigantic flood and a formidable rain that lasted many days, many people died.

This most likely describes the impact of the comet that created the Carolina Bays.

"The water having poured over the land (2km thick ice sheet collapses into the sea),

human dwellings disappeared. The wind carried them away.

They fastened several boats to one another.

The waves traversed the Rocky Mountains.

A great wind drove them.

Presently the moon and the sun disappeared (atmospheric dust, post impact).

Men died of a terrible heat (firestorms post impact).

They also perished in the waves.

Men bewailed what happened.

Uprooted trees floated about in the waves.

Men having fastened boats together trembled with cold.



The above translation is attributed to the native tribe called the Esquimaux of Canada. Just one of hundreds of flood traditions that many scholars have collected.



Also from further south in the Carolinas we have the following very interesting tradition:

"a star fell to the earth, and rain soon followed (oceanic impact, causing vast amounts of water to evaporate).

Days and days of rain quenched the fire.

Great holes burned in the earth by the fire were filled,

forming a great inland sea.
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« Reply #211 on: July 30, 2012, 01:13:30 am »

FROM

THE MYSTERY OF ATLANTIS

Charles Berlitz



For a land that may or may not have existed, Atlantis has had a consider-
able impact on history, as well as on literature.

When classical culture, after the fall of Constantinople in 1453, started
flowing again into the west, Plato's account, as well as other ancient re-
ports of islands in the Atlantic, once again began to intrigue man's imagi-
nation.

Christopher Columbus, an avid reader of travel accounts and correnspon-
dent with cartographers, was not the only one to believe the world was
round.  Its actual circumference had been calculated in Alexandria in ancient
times, with an error of only five hundred miles.  But students of the Alexan-
rene School, although they could measure the earth, never, as far as we
know, sailed around it to prove that it was round.

Numerous "world" maps existed at the time of Columbus, although their diverse
information and the fact that the navigational lines were drawn by the stars,
would seem to indicate that Columbus' greatest feat of bravery was not in
facing the monsters of the sea, or sailing off the edge of the world, but in
being guided by the maps he had at his disposal.
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« Reply #212 on: July 30, 2012, 01:13:54 am »

HOW ATLANTIS CHANGED HISTORY                                                     continued



Some of these world maps showed Antillia, Antilla, Antilha or Antiglia,
which may have been alternate names for Atlantis, the Fortunate Isles,
the Hesperides and other islands.

The Toscanelli map, which Columbus is thought to have had with him on
his voyage to the New World, shows Antillia.

Years before he made his voyage, Toscanelli wrote to him suggesting An-
tillia as a stopping place on his way to the Indies.  On Toscanelli's map
China and the Indies were shown on the western shore of the Atlantic,
with Antillia and other islands furnishing maritime stepping stones in bet-
ween.

It is fairly certain that Columbus had studied, or had with him, on his
voyage, the Becario map of 1435 and subsequent maps of Branco (1436),
Pareto (1455), Rosseli (1468) and Benincasa ((1482) and, perhaps, mate-
rial or suggestions from the Benheim map (1492), all of which showed
Antillia in its various spellings.

These maps generally place Antillia out in the Atlantic, on a level with
Portugal. In this regard its name in its Portuguese spelling, Antilha ( ante
hila) becomes logical - it means "the island in front of", "before" or "oppo-
site", referring to the large island in the middle of the ocean, that of the
"seven cities".

Whether this is the real reason for its name, or whether it is another form
of Atlantis, really comes to the same thing - the large island that had been
recommended to Columbus and that was on all the leading maps, was loca-
ted at the position generally ascribed to Atlantis and, in disregard of Atlantis'
reported sinking, was still shaped like Plato's description  of it.
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« Reply #213 on: July 30, 2012, 01:14:24 am »

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It has also been suggested that Columbus was influenced by an unusual
passage from a play by the classical Roman writer, Seneca, written  cen-
turies before Columbus.  The quotation, from Medea, Act II, goes on as
follows: "There will come a time, in the late age of the world, when the
ocean will relax its bonds over what it (now) holds and land will appear
in its glory.  Thetis (the sea) will uncover new continents and Thule will
no longer be the end of the world......"

Did Seneca get the idea of continents under the ocean from his imagina-
tion or from Plato or other sources?  How generally was this belief held
in Classic Times?  At present we can only guess.

But there is a strong suggestion that Columbus was influenced by this in
his own speculations.

One source for this suggestion comes from one who personally was well
acquainted with Columbus and his ideas - his son, Fernando, who inscri-
bed in a copy of MEDEA - "This prophecy was fulfilled by my father, the
Admiral Christopher Columbus, in 1492."

Lopez de Gomara, author of the GENERAL HISTORY OF THE INDIES (1552)
specifically attributes Columbus exploits to having "read Plato's TIMAEUS
ana CRITIAS, where he read of the great Atlantean island and of a sunken
land greater than Asia and Africa."
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« Reply #214 on: July 30, 2012, 01:14:47 am »

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Lopez de Gomara, author of the GENERAL HISTORY OF THE INDIES (1552)
specifically attributes Columbus' exploits to having "read Plato's TIMAEUS
and CRITIAS, where he read of the great Atlantean island and of a sunken
land greater than Asia and Africa."

A claim was actually advanced by Fernandez de Oviedo that the Spanish
rulers owned the rights to the New American lands (GENERAL AND NATURAL
HISTORY OF THE INDIES - 1525) since, according to him, Hesperus, a pre-
historic Spanish king, was the brother of Atlas, ruler of the opposite land of
Morocco and Hesperus, as part of his domain, also ruled the Hesperides -
"The Islands of the West" - "at forty days sail, as they still are, more or less,
in our time....and as Columbus found them to be on the second voyage he
made....they therefore must be considered to be these Indies, lands of
Spain since the times of Hesperus......which reverted to Spain (through
Columbus)....

A contemporary writer who disagreed was Bartolome' de Las Casas, a
priest who had his own axe to gring.  His aim, a very laudable one, was
to protect the Indians of the New World whose treatment by the Spanish
conquerors at this time was assuming genocidal proportions.

De Las Casas took exception to this right of dominion based on the Hespe-
rides or Atlantis.  Nevertheless, in commenting on Columbus, he observed,
in his HISTORY OF THE INDIES - 1527:
"....Christopher Columbus could reasonably believe and hope that although
that great island (Atlantis) was lost and sunken, there would remain others,
or at least, dry land, which he could find by searching for it...."
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« Reply #215 on: July 30, 2012, 01:15:07 am »

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Among other authors at the time of the discovery of the New World, Pedro
Sarmiento de Gamboa wrote in 1572: "....The Indies of Spain were conti-
nents, along with the Atlantic Island, and therefore the Atlantic Island itself,
which was off Cadiz and extended over the sea which we travers when we
come to the Indies, the sea which all the map makers call the Atlantic
Ocean, since the Atlantic Island was in it. And thus we sail now over that
which formerly was land."

When the Spanish invaders of Mexico were told that the Aztecs came from
a land in the sea called Aztlan, they were convinced that the Aztecs this
reinforced the Spanish right to conquest; not that they ever felt they
needed much justification.  The very name "Aztec" means people of Az or
Atlan.  (The Aztecs usually called themselves Tenocha or Nahua.)

If the Spanish invaders of the New World were influenced, in some respects,
by the memory of Atlantis and/or the Hesperides, the Indian population of
middle and south America, for another reason, but connected with the same
historical or legendary mystique, were so convinced that the Spanish were
their civilizing gods or heroes returned from the eastern land that they be-
came psychologically incapable of resisting them until it was too late.
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« Reply #217 on: July 30, 2012, 01:34:03 am »



In the 1969 Donovan performed his famous song "Atlantis" which brought the story of The Lost Continent to that generation of youth of which I am one.



Donovan

Atlantis Lyrics

The continent of Atlantis was an island
which lay before the great flood
in the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean.
So great an area of land, that from her western shores
those beautiful sailors journeyed
to the South and the North Americas with ease,
in their ships with painted sails.

To the East Africa was a neighbour, across a short strait of sea miles.
The great Egyptian age is but a remnant of The Atlantian culture.
The antediluvian kings colonised the world
All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas
In all legends from all lands were from fair Atlantis.
Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth.
On board were the Twelve:
The poet, the physician, the farmer, the scientist,
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends.
Though Gods they were -
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new
Hail Atlantis!
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be.
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be.
My antediluvian baby, oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah,
I wanna see you some day
My antediluvian baby, oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah,
My antediluvian baby,
My antediluvian baby, I love you, girl,
Girl, I wanna see you some day.
My antediluvian baby, oh yeah
I wanna see you some day, oh
My antediluvian baby.
My antediluvian baby, I wanna see you
My antediluvian baby, gotta tell me where she gone
I wanna see you some day
Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up, oh yeah
Oh glub glub, down down, yeah


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« Reply #218 on: July 30, 2012, 01:45:43 am »

Lost Atlantis the Azores


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« Reply #219 on: July 30, 2012, 01:46:14 am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_hS_DKab8I&feature=player_embedded#t=0s

Azores to Atlantis: Africa through the shadows
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