Da Vinci Code: Fact from Fiction (Original Version)

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The Church Father Epiphanius (writing in the fourth century CE) seems to make a distinction between two main groups within the Essenes: "Of those that came before his [Elxai, an Ossaean prophet] time and during it, the Osseaens and the Nazarean." (Panarion 1:19). Epiphanius describes each group as following:

"Nazarean" Essenes:
"The Nazarean - they were Jews by nationality - originally from Gileaditis [where the early followers of Yeshua fled after the martyrdom of James, the brother of Jesus], Bashanitis and the Transjordon . . .They acknowledged Moses and believed that he had received laws - not this law, however, but some other. And so, they were Jews who kept all the Jewish observances, but they would not offer sacrifice or eat meat. They considered it unlawful to eat meat or make sacrifices with it. They claim that these Books are fictions, and that none of these customs were instituted by the fathers. This was the difference between the Nazarean and the others. . ." (Panarion 1:18)
"Ossaeanes" Essenes:
"After this [Nazarean] sect in turn comes another closely connected with them, called the Ossaeanes. These are Jews like the former . . . originally came from Nabataea, Ituraea, Moabitis and Arielis, the lands beyond the basin of what sacred scripture called the Salt Sea. . . Though it is different from the other six of these seven sects, it causes schism only by forbidding the books of Moses like the Nazarean." (Panarion 1:19)
Josephus also writes: "Moreover, there is another [ie. a second] Order of Essenes who agree with the rest as to their way of living and customs and laws but differ from them in the point of marriage." (WarII:160).

Some modern essene groups claim the location of the Ossaeanes, who encouraged celibacy, to have been around the Qumran area; and the Nazarean, who encouraged marriage, to have been around the Mount Carmel area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes
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The Essenes are discussed in detail by Josephus and Philo. Many scholars believe that the community at Qumran that allegedly produced the Dead Sea Scrolls was an offshoot of the Essenes; however, this theory has been disputed by Norman Golb and other scholars. Some suggest that Jesus of Nazareth was an Essene, and that Christianity evolved from this sect of Judaism, with which it shared many ideas and symbols.

According to Martin A. Larson, the now misunderstood Essenes were Jewish Pythagoreans who lived as monks. As vegetarian celibates in self-reliant communities who shunned marriage and family, they preached a coming war with the Sons of Darkness. As the Sons of Light, this reflected a separate influence from Zoroastrianism via their parent ideology of Pythagoreanism. According to Larson, both the Essenes and Pythagoreans resembled thiasoi, or cult units of the Orphic mysteries. John the Baptist is widely regarded to be a prime example of an Essene who had left the communal life (see Ant. 18.116-119), and it is thought they aspired to emulate their own founding Teacher of Righteousness who was crucified.
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As it was said in John. Jesus came from the light.So he must have been a monk that did not marry.
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No proof that Jesus was an Essene either.

One thing we haven't touched on here: Jesus' missing years. He was 34 when he died. What if he had another wife or fathered other children in those missing years?
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He was to busy teaching the way.


http://www.wolflodge.org/sananda/lost-years-of-jesus.htm
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Today they still know him and love him and worship him as St. Issa. their 'buddha'.
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No argument that Jesus was a very influential teacher, but he also spent his missing years, travelling learning, sort of like college. One of the things people do in college is learn how to relate to the opposite sex.
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But Issa, recognizing the disguised servants, said, "I did not foretell unto you that you would be delivered from Caesar; but I said that the soul which was immersed in sin would be delivered from sin."

At this time, an old woman approached the crowd, but was pushed back. Then Issa said, "Reverence Woman, mother of the universe,' in her lies the truth of creation. She is the foundation of all that is good and beautiful. She is the source of life and death. Upon her depends the existence of man, because she is the sustenance of his labors. She gives birth to you in travail, she watches over your growth. Bless her. Honor her. Defend her. Love your wives and honor them, because tomorrow they shall be mothers, and later-progenitors of a whole race. Their love ennobles man, soothes the embittered heart and tames the beast. Wife and mother-they are the adornments of the universe."

"As light divides itself from darkness, so does woman possess the gift to divide in man good intent from the thought of evil. Your best thoughts must belong to woman. Gather from them your moral strength, which you must possess to sustain your near ones. Do not humiliate her, for therein you will humiliate yourselves. And all which you will do to mother, to wife, to widow or to another woman in sorrow-that shall you also do for the Spirit."

Mia you got to omit thats beatiful:)
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Very nice passage, Docyabut, I liked it anyway.
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