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Critias - the Lost Ending

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« on: February 20, 2007, 09:31:35 pm »

This is something I remember someone posted at the old AR forum that I fouind interesting, so I dug it out in order to post it here.

It purports to be "the lost ending of Criitias."

Remember, the Critias originally ends like this (Benjamin Jowett version):

Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve, collected all the gods into their most holy habitation, which,
being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as follows-*

The rest of the
Dialogue of Critias has been lost.

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 09:33:34 pm »

And now for the part that follows (remember it is Zeus speaking)
The Lost Ending of Plato's Dialogue, Critias

" You all know that Epsilon of Boeta was defeated , by us that come
from Epsilon of Sirius and Andromeda. In the eastern side of the
Mediterranean, the citizens of Boeta had every freedom, though their
allies, the citizens of Ophis, were covering them continuously. We let
them control the earthly affairs, but you saw what happened with
I decided to let our sons to act at will. But even if they achieve
their goal, they will disobey my commands. Therefore they will forget
everything until the days of Crion.

Then they will suffer, until the age of Aquarius. As for the people of
Ophis, they will be defeated by our sons. But they will use all means to
suppress our sons during the period of their intellectual death. The
intellectual death will last throughout the age of Pisces and they will
rule the world. Our sons and daughters will be under their commands. All
the gates will be deactivated and gaia will not have the appropriate

Throughout the Pisces our sons will make terrible mistakes. For
that they will be turned into slaves. The voices of Minos and Hercules
will not be heard. Because they deserve to be punished. I will send your
spirits in every Hellenic womb (delfi) as for in every era to have our
Ichor guide them. The punishment seems harsh, but it has to be done this
way as I am so sad seeing all the virtue and honor getting lost from the
people that we have created.

I never approved the mix with the people of Dracon, Boeta and
Heta. But I will not punish them for these mistakes, but for one and
only reason. When they will disobey my commands, as also yours, during
the fight against the island, they will never think that the sea will
punish them obeying the commands of Poseidon to my earthly hand, there
in our first base. The terrain will be destroyed by waters, and out of
the river of fire the body of destruction will come and the motherland
of our children will be destroyed.

The punishment will be realized throughout Leo and midway to
Cancer. But the strongest of all will be during the Pisces. Then I will
send the best from Olympus of Sirion, to activate and pull our children
back in the road ethos. The teaching of people has to be perfect. You
are going to lead them and make them again teachers of the world. They
will become the leaders and their leadership will last for ever" .

"Zeus", said Hefaistus, "do not part male from female, as I said
to DEMETRA (?) to humanize the people of Europe that came from Heta. How
can you think that I can cause damage? We could though destroy evil. And
the only evil source that exists in the whole world is them, the
descendants of Ophis, Boeta and Orion. They have fought our divine sons,
trying to exterminate them on earth".

"You are right Zeus-father" said Dionysus.
"But when we punish our own
existence, then the evil is advancing"

"You Dionysus, will succeed me for two pillars (200 years maybe?). In
your name, the worst action will take place. Mainly against our
descendants. But all the nations will know that the people of Ohis,
Orion and Boeta that united, will be revealed for their evil acts and
the nations will reproach them. Our children though, will be praised by
the few that faced the enlightment , until the age of Aquarius that
everyone will follow them.

As for the new lords of Atlantis, they will suffer what the other two
have. Our sons will wait for them in the isolated sea and the intruders
will reach the Acran-Polin (another word for Acropolis, meaning the city
at the edge) the base of Athena. Our sons though will win the battle and
chaise them back to the island of evil. And they will invade the island.
There they will destroy them, but they will not leave. And this is not
wise, since they would have to show mercy, as only the gods have that
right. Only the gods have the right to dissolve evil. The descendants of
evil though are ignorants and they will forget that their motherworlds:
Ophis, Boeta, Orion are under our command as they will always be. They
do not know that the moon that we have brought, will not return to their
subterranean brothers to help them escape. They do not understand that
their invasion on Gaia was a tragic mistake.

Our sons want to destroy the island, though the wise thing to do
is to punish the evil in people. I know that along with the island's
destruction the vanity and hate of the people of Orion will disappear
The should of our children will visit Gaia and they will prosper as
normal beings, but without remembering the past. And only with the power
of their own will the power o Leo, will destroy evil and the island will

Socrates: Wisely chose the Father of Gods, Zeus, but tell Critias, what
happened to our ancestors and the Atlanteans?

Critias: The war started at the west side of Crete. The Atlanteans
murdered the highpriest of Atlantis that was of Antillian origin. The
king of Atlanteans ordered to cut the priests arms and to through him in
the sea. Next morning the Atlanteans attacked the Hellenic fleet, while
our allies abandoned our ancestors to their destiny.
The two fleets came to fight outside of Peiraeus and though it seemed
that our fleet was doomed, help came from the Mediterranean Atlas

(The Mediterranean Atlas is Malta, if you read it backwards you will
read ATLA-M, the latest name of Malta until the 5th century was Melitaia
(honey island)=Malta).

The naval battle continued with outmost strength from both sides.
But eventually Athenians won. Then they chased the Atlanteans. But the
two etheric chariots that seemed like shining shields, instructed our
ancestors not to invade the island. Unfortunately they disobeyed, as
they used their own chariots.

Then two of the divine chariots left Gaia and settled on mars fields,
from where they would provide help only when needed. The third chariot
remained on Gaia and followed the attack. The gods again warned the
Athenians not to act with these weapons. Unfortunately they did not
listen. They used their secrets that are not known to the unholy and
destroyed the island, causing the death though of many of our soldiers
that happened to be on or near the island.

What is though fundamental for all of us to know, is that there will be
one day again that humans will live harmoniously and with ethos. And
this will be attributed to our ancestors".

This is where the dialogue of Plato's Critias end. I cannot verify
of course the originality of the text, but it is certain that it was
saved by some Basques who gave the text to a Greek writer named A.
Keramidas, that will publish his book in Germany.


For more details you can contact him in the following address:
A. Keramidas
Apellou 6

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2007, 11:24:48 pm »

I don't like it.  No known source for this story is a problem.

Terms like Gaia, Cancer, Leo, Pisces, Age of Aquarius... seem strange to me.
Gaia for instance is the wife of Uranus.  This implies grandmother of Zeus.

However, in Timaeus, Plato follows the Orphic Tradition of Oceanus in between Uranus and Saturn.  So how does the Great-Grandmother of Zeus wind up in this story?

"By 2,000 BC, the Egyptians and Mesopotamians marked the seasons by the constellations we NOW call Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius."
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2007, 12:38:45 pm »

My favorites are these lines:

I never approved the mix with the people of Dracon, Boeta and
Heta. But I will not punish them for these mistakes, but for one and
only reason.

Racial supremacy, for some inane reason, always tends to run hand in hand with Atlantis!

Critias: The war started at the west side of Crete. The Atlanteans
murdered the highpriest of Atlantis that was of Antillian origin. The
king of Atlanteans ordered to cut the priests arms and to through him in
the sea.

Plato misspelled "threw" as "through"?
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2007, 11:40:16 pm »

I order you ! ,as king of Atlantis, to stand aside !!! 

what also burns like witches ? ... MORE WITCHES !!

who wrote that schlock !! Huh   
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2007, 12:06:56 am »

Funny.  Well, you know give someone credit at least for trying to finish Critias! Although, does it really need an ending? I guess we pretty much know what happens after read the Atlantis sections in Timaeus. 

Yep, pretty schlocky dialogue!  Not in Plato's style at all.
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