the Origins of Love

[HereForNow]

I have one story that might be particularly disturbing to some of you.
Yet it is kinda romantic. Recently my family had spent the week at my father-inlaws house and I was all alone. Then the door bell rang and..............

You'll have to PM me for the rest. LOL

[Pagan]

And what, you ordered, "in," as in hookers?   

That's romantic!  

[HereForNow]

LOL Hookers? Hardly, it didn't cost me a dime. 
Although yeah that would have been kinda fun too.

[unknown]

 Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore,
 So do our minutes hasten to their end;
 Each changing place with that which goes before,
 In sequent toil all forwards do contend.
 Nativity, once in the main of light,
 Crawls to maturity, wherewith being crown'd,
 Crooked eclipses 'gainst his glory fight,
 And Time that gave doth now his gift confound.
 Time doth transfix the flourish set on youth
 And delves the parallels in beauty's brow,
 Feeds on the rarities of nature's truth,
 And nothing stands but for his scythe to mow:
 And yet to times in hope, my verse shall stand
Praising thy worth, despite his cruel hand.

William Shakespeare

[HereForNow]

Actually I was invited on a trip to Governor Dodge State Park in Iowa County.
Wisconsin........ 

It's sounds interesting but I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
For now it's looking like May.

[Aristotle]

In fact while I'm here. I'm at my wits end with certain aspects of my marriage.
I love her dearly and I would never want anything bad for her ever.
Yet, I am feeling that urge to cheat again and this time it's with someone that is always over here.

We flirt in secret all the time, but recently I kissed her and it was hot.
She flat asked me to come over to her house but right there and then it was not a good time for me with everything that was going on that day.

I don't want this and yet it feels so right and I get so confused about my own emotions in this.
Thats why I simply shut off my feelings and do the damn thing.

 
Yet this makes me a bad person, in the eyes of everyone else around me.
Regretful, I feel like I could care less what they say, what consequences will come it, or how it will effect my marriage.

Opinions?

I am going to answer you in this thread, Herefornow, so as the response does not get lost in the other thread amidst all the cut and pasting that must be done (it goes on for 70 pages)

Questions you must answer to yourself, do you still love your wife? Is the new relationship about more than just sex?

Personally, I woud say, if the answer to the first question is "no," I would say go for it.  Life is too short.  However, it does complicate things if you have children and I understand that you do.

[Aristotle]

Anyone know what happened to our old friend Vlad?

[HereForNow]

That's the thing.

I can't imagine myself waking up everyday without my kids, or the familiar sound of my wife's voice.
The problem is, she stimulates more then my reproductive organ. It's all so natural.

[Volitzer]

Yeah finding the right woman makes all the difference.

[rockessence]

In fact while I'm here. I'm at my wits end with certain aspects of my marriage.
I love her dearly and I would never want anything bad for her ever.
Yet, I am feeling that urge to cheat again and this time it's with someone that is always over here.

We flirt in secret all the time, but recently I kissed her and it was hot.
She flat asked me to come over to her house but right there and then it was not a good time for me with everything that was going on that day.

I don't want this and yet it feels so right and I get so confused about my own emotions in this.
Thats why I simply shut off my feelings and do the damn thing.

 
Yet this makes me a bad person, in the eyes of everyone else around me.
Regretful, I feel like I could care less what they say, what consequences will come it, or how it will effect my marriage.

Opinions?

Kid, you don't masturbate enough... any woman you ever kiss is gonna be hot...it's all in the mind.   Just because a woman wants little YOU doesn't mean she gives a **** about you, and obviously she despises your wife...and that kind of vibe is catching.  Just picture yourself outside your front door...and it's LOCKED and there's no way your ever gettin in again.....believe me you don't want that.

If your wife isn't interested in a little extra sex just tell her you gotta have it.... that will likely clearly illustrate your predicament (excuse the pun)  If she still doesn't want to help you out, that's just plain mean....and you may need to woo her all over again.

 The predator female is in heat and it's not about you.  It's about her own get-off.

The "little brain" you are thinking with is laughing at stupid you.  And it will NEVER NEVER care about the outcome, only about the come.

[HereForNow]

  Yeah but taking your own man down is often boring.

Sure, you can think about whatever you want to but it just isn't the same.

[rockessence]

Yeah but taking your own man down is often boring.

Sure, you can think about whatever you want to but it just isn't the same.

How uncreative of you, dear!

Don't let that little viper determine your future... she will never be worth it.   

If you also despise your wife then just get the hell out.  You aren't doing HER any favors by hanging around when she could likely have a man who would honor her and be hot for HER.

If you just want to control her life and then have some ouside puss as well,  jeeze... stop being so befuddled... just get out of her way.  Let her have a man who wants her.  then go and get all the hot nasty chicks who will have you.   You may discover that they don't want a guy who is free, though.

[HereForNow]

Yeah but taking your own man down is often boring.

Sure, you can think about whatever you want to but it just isn't the same.

How uncreative of you, dear!

Don't let that little viper determine your future... she will never be worth it.  

If you also despise your wife then just get the hell out.  You aren't doing HER any favors by hanging around when she could likely have a man who would honor her and be hot for HER.

If you just want to control her life and then have some ouside puss as well,  jeeze... stop being so befuddled... just get out of her way.  Let her have a man who wants her.  then go and get all the hot nasty chicks who will have you.   You may discover that they don't want a guy who is free, though.

Actually Rocky, it's not just the sex that makes me so crazy lustful. I lust after romance with strangers. I guess knowing a woman is the end of the challenge for me.

As for her I have gotten out of her way and control on my part was never an issue.
I'm not one of those pocessive types who feel they need to dominate a woman for reassurence.
Beleive me, that is so not the case here at all.
I want her to screw me over and treat me badly.  LOL
I want to be the one who is constantly worrying about her and love sick.
I want a woman that can dominate me! I miss being completely "wooped"

In fact, I hate that I even have to look further then my wife for these things.

However, I lack so much emotionally that way that it can never happen.
NEVER!

Being the "Bad-Boy" type has given me an ability to face everything that the world throws at me and I still bounce back smiling everytime. However, it also made me emotionally shallow to the extent that I refuse to leave my gaurd down. And this is what I need to do to get things back on track. I want my heart to get ripped out and handed to me by someone and yet I won't allow myself to love them enough to empower them that way.

Someone, please explain this to me. Keep in mind that this is not easy for me to admit these things.
To my friends I am the most loving person they know. To my wife, she tells people all the time about how untypical I am when it comes to parenting and house-work. I help her unconditionally with everything that needs done in a day on top of working my 40-hours a week and maintaining the house.

Everything besides my emotional point of veiw is right on mark.

Yet, I see this as a part of the problem too. Other women see this and it becomes more of a challenge for them, which in turn creates the oppurtunity to repeat this ugly, unending cycle. Half of the men in my hometown are the regressive, lazy types, who take pride in nothing and mistreat everything and everyone.
The other half of them who are married and have jobs and families are happy and want their wives more then anything else.
I have everything with my wife that I should want and we are great to each other. I just have some issues with giving all of myself to her because I feel like it's not real. Physically, I am just not satisfied with anyone. Even if I have an affair, it still doesn't do it for me the way I want it too. Emotionally, I want someone like my wife, but she has to be more controlling and more.........
Something?

Again, if any of you can explain this to me then I would be forever in your debt.
Maybe I'm just stupid and I need to be dropped on my head some more. LOL
There again, I don't think it will do any good.

[HereForNow]

Example of what everyone thinks I should be like.


Example of what I am sometimes:



Example of my wife's innocense:


And finally, what I feel I deserve:



I'm a good bad boy and I feel attracted to good-bad-girls.....
I'm married to an attractive Martha Stewart, Yet I lust after an extreme Jessica Alba......

[HereForNow]

Regeneration

Author  Topic: the Origins of Love - Past, Present or Future 
Dawn Moline

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   posted 01-02-2005 11:14 PM                      
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the Origins of Love

The idea for this topic arose from HereForNow's thread, "War in Heaven." To start with, we used the the model of the Watchers seducing the Daughters of Cain in the Book of Enoch. The question I first posed was, why were the Watchers first drawn to mortal women, was it lust, as the texts would have us believe, or was it love, as I personally happen to believe?

It could not be simple lust.

An angel, knowing the grace of God, would not sacrifice that grace lightly, and surely a being that is All-Knowing would know that lust is simply a passing fancy. An Angel, not knowing the draw of love, would be seduced and might make such a sacrifice. I also hold that it was not mere beauty alone that led the Watchers astray. There are female angels as well as male, and surely a female angel could become a thing of beauty far more enticing than flesh could ever conceive. I believe it was some inner quality that drew the angels, an element they saw in their creator, an innate human quality. The Watchers fell in love with the daughters of Cain because they sensed, in them, the same human quality they saw in the creator. In other words, their love for the women was the same as their love for their God. Loving the women helped them become closer to God, just as when we love one another we, too, become closer to God.

Love could not conceive of the monsters (giants) such a union at first reproduce, love simply is, it knows no master but itself, and that it enough.

When did love first enter the world? Did Neandertal man have any love for his mate? While the Ice Age hunter/gatherers hunted the Woolly Mammoth, did they do so for love?

From what I can see, love can be said to have first entered the world in one of two ways:

Human beings, descended from the apes, and all our impulses, love included, are nature's trick to get us to reproduce, impulses present in any species.

Human beings, descended from the angels, and the ability to love is of God's gift to us, perhaps our one saving grace amidst a sea of troubles.

Knowing many of you as I do, I think I can imagine which of the two camps some of you might split into. Still, I would like to put a more personal touch on this. I invite everyone to share their opinions, theories, even experiences on the reality of love, no matter how plain or how intimate. I notice many of you aren't using your real names, so there is nothing to conceal, no secret to protect. The only thing that you are protecting is whatever standing you have may have built up in the forum, which, in the final analysis, means very little anyway. I want to judge no one, I wish to understand everyone.

As human beings, I believe it our responsibility to try and gain a greater appreciation of one another. In my opinion, that is the one thing we owe to our past generations, to our children who come after us. No greater understanding can be greater than the one we have of love.


[This message has been edited by Dawn Moline (edited 01-02-2005).]

[ 08-29-2005, 08:06 PM: Message edited by: Dawn Moline ] 

Let's go back to square one for a moment.

What is love?