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Title: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 16, 2007, 08:29:27 pm
I must say, this is one of the best laid out sites for the investigation into our Atlantean heritages!
Excellent Work!
This site has some true potential to be quite a large forum.

For this first post, I apologize for it's length, and only wish to get most of the research out of the way for us to have an excellent understanding of the Atlantean Kingdoms and how they are very much a reality today.

I hope, in due time, our World as an entirety will one day come to see the Great Light of Orichalcum.

Best Wishes
Paulo




................Wisdom of The First Book of Atlanteans..................


This is the Greatest Message of World Peace for our modern world today.
This is the knowledge of The First Book, before your Second Book, The Holy Bible.

This is The Book of Atlantean Thoth.

..............To understand the City of Atlantis.........
.....You have to understand the culture of Atlanteans.....


Q] Is the Atlantic Ocean a Myth?
A] No, it divides America from Europe and Africa.

Q] Why do they call it the Atlantic Ocean?
A] Because it was named from the Atlantean cultures.

Q] Why do they call it the Atlas Mountains in NW Africa?
A] Because it was named after the Atlantean cultures.

Q] What are Atlantean cultures?
A] Any groups of human beings who existed in or around the Atlantic Ocean, such as America, S. America, Arctic, Europe, Africa, Antarctica and any Atlantic Islands like Azores, Iceland, England, Thule, Madeira, Canary Islands, Jamaica, Bahamas, Bimini,
St. Tome, Cape Verde, Barbados, Antilles, etc, etc....

Q] Are Atlantean cultures a Myth?
A] No, because Archaeologists and Herodotus told us about these cultures who lived in Africa on her western coasts and around the Atlas Mountains and in Western Europe to the extremity of the Pillars of Hercules or Gibraltar Straits as recorded by us.

Q] Why do people dismiss Atlantean cultures in general?
A] Because they are not tutored in our World Histories and generally are fixated by the notion that Atlanteans come from a magical underwater city as portrayed in modern Fables.

Q] Who are the Atlanteans?
A] The cultures who existed in and around the Atlantic Ocean and were predominant in settling Africa, Europe, S. America and America, both from the land bridge crossings of Iceland and The Bering Strait in China and Alaska and from crossing over on boats or early ship types.

Mostly, we know the Atlantean by different names in the course of our Archaeological studies, which most scholars name these cultures according to their pottery types, industries, or cultural styles and traits, while most names are not what those ancients would have called themselves such as The Bell Beaker Cultures of Europe or Cave people being called The Stone Age people.

Q] What are some of the names early Atlanteans were known by or still are known by, other than Atlantean?
A] I would say to compliment the rise of civilizations ca 50,000.bC, would be a good apex to research Atlantean cultures from, other than 100,000.bC Cro-Magnon,
or 1 million b.C Neanderthals.

In Europe, some of these early Atlanteans were known as Aterian, Azilian, Aetolian, (who were writing and developed our Alphabet ca 12,000.bC) Celtoi, or Celts, Cimmerians, Basques and Navarros, who are a fading culture bordering France and Spain and are related to the Guanche cultures of the Canary Islands.
Some of their modern names are; Portuguese, English, Scandinavian, French (Gallic), Spanish,(Gaulic) Italian, Germans, Ukrainians, Belgians, Norwegians, Russians, Polish, Serbians, Latvian, Greeks, Cyclades or the early Vinca cultures around Romania, Bulgaria and Macedonia who were writing around 6000.bC.

In Africa we also find Azilian, Aterians, Berber, Moors, Tuaregs, Capsians or Capstans, Qadans, Atalantes, Atarantes, Gualata, Alata, Troglodytes, Dogones, Garamantes, Maxyans, Lotophagi, or simply Libyans, Egyptians or Gerzeans, Natufians, Fayums and Aetiopians from Kush and Sudan or Arabians upon the Sinai.
Mauretanians, as they were known in the 12th centuries.
In S. America we find Mayans, Aztec, Incans, Peruvians, Mexicans, and other jungle tribes.
In America we find Native Indians like Mohawk, Apache, Kennewick Man, Ojibuay, Cree,Chippewa, Mexicans, or the Canadian First Nations.
Afro-Americans, etc, etc.

In Asia we find Anatolians, Turkish, Black Sea Cultures, (Tartars) Georgians, Carians, Ionians, Lydians, Arabians, Persians, Sumerians, Akkadians, Indians, Assyrians,
 like the earlier palaeolithic Enyans who became the Phoenician cultures upon the Levant with Byblos, Tyre and Sidon, and Cypriot cultures of Cyprus and Rhodes.

Basically, as my translations of the 10 Atlantean Kings names suggest, the Atlanteans were predominant around the ENTIRE MEDITERRANEAN.

When people really and truly understand this, and understand that English and our Alphabet comes from Linear A and not Linear B, then they will also come to grasp with reality, that...

PREDOMINATELY WE ARE ATLANTEANS FROM OUR HISTORICAL STUDIES.

We speak, read and write these evolved words today into English, from earlier Atlanteans.

Atlantean – Aterian – Azilian – Aetolian – Linear A – Latin - English

THE EARTHLAND PEOPLE.

TA    LAN
EARTH   LAND
TA-(Tara/Terra) = Ancient name for EARTH
A = Risen or Origin
A TA LAN = Risen Earth Land

TA - TEN -EN = Ancient Egyptian Risen Earth Land
ATAL-ANTIC (Antique,Antiquity,Antigua,Antiquo > Ancient)
Agua/Aqua = Water  (Gua = Throat)
ATALANTIC(Atlantic) > Risen Earth Land of Antiquity
ATALAS (Atlas) > Risen Earth Stone > Mountain

Jebel (African) > Jabel(Arabian) > Mountains
Djenna (African) > Djanna (Arabian) = Mountain Peaks

Why is it so hard for people to understand that Atlanteans simply means the most antique cultures of our modern world?
That is why it IS THE OLDEST LEGEND PRESERVED.
Older than the Great Flood.
The only significance to discovering the City of Atlantis is to prove that the city actualy existed like Troy, but not to prove that Atlantean Cultures exist.
The importance of finding the City of Atlantis is in hope of discovering ancient recordings of our advanced and evolved knowledge as we know it today and to satisfy our curiosities of a 12,000 year old legend which was revealed 2577 years ago in 570.bC from Pharaoh Amasis and Uadjahor-Resne.
The Egyptians even told us, and they were smarter than anyone else around them in antiquity and histories, that their teachings and wisdom came from a Risen Earth Land WESTWARD of themselves in the Delta Nile to TATENEN or Zep-Tepi if you like.

You now do realize that Africa is Atlantean also.
Where do they say your oldest bones and roots of dna go back to?
Tanzania? Aetiopia? Old Duvai Gorge?

The Land of JA.

You can run or curse, or alter our Histories, but you can't hide the great Truth of The Law of One.

ATLANTEANS AND AENGLISH.

Linear A Translations by Riven;

EARTH (Eart / Ert)

EA-Risen, in the air, above, so high
RA- King, Kingdom
TA- Earth, IS, IT, I AM.
HA- Here, in this place, also

SA - Son/Child/kin
JA- Father, God, Know
RA – King, Kingdom

God's Risen Kingdom of Earth.

Know this and retain your histories of your ROOTS.

God, The Father IS REAL.
Atlanteans are Real.

Who in this modern or ancient history of our World has a human been able to show you God, The Father Self Creator at Work in a physical dimension of vision for us to See?

Paulo J. Tx. Mn has.....

With the True Garden of Humans in Tanzania, Africa.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Garden%20of%20Eden%20in%20Avila.htm

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Eden%201%20Seed%20of%20Life%20Riven05.jpg)

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Eden%208%20hand%20of%20God%20removing%20Adams%20Rib%20Riven05.jpg)

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Eden%2016%20God%20in%20Thumb%20creating%20Eve%20Riven05.JPG)


".111. Joy To The World, The King is Come, Let Heaven and Earth Remain.111. [/i]

Point of that post is that the Pyramids were built by the Atlanteans and God.ca 3500-4500.bC.

Provenance.

Africans are Atlanteans
Edgar Cayce
Hall of Records
Atlantean Chronicles
Missing Sphinx NW of The Red Pyramid
God The Father's words to me;
"Just as the Pyramids I shaped for you."
Serapaeums,Temples
Apis Bulls
Secret Teachings
The Lion faces East
The Secret of The Son of Man
The Secret of Carina Nebula

The Sun rises in the East.
That is the Sacred Teachings for our Earth.
But could the Sacred Reasoning of God wanting us to look East, to his Rising Sun, be of His Rising Son in the Carina Nebula Star System?
Could this have been once another Earth?
Could we have come from there?

I wonder....

AS ABOVE, SO IT IS BELOW.
(If you draw a map of the pyramids in the heavens, they point you to Carina Nebula and not Orion.)

THE LAW OF ONE

PLATO

I hope this message of World peace, allows China to let the Tibetan Dalai Llama return home to their world of peace and help them to prosper..
Because they are God's Children also...

Peace to All For The Law of One Unified World of Peace.

Divinità fluviale. Collezione Farnese da Roma. Iseo nel campo Marzio. Seconda metà del II sec. d. C. National Archaeological Museum, Naples.

King Saturn Portugal  Atlantic  (Atlas)     
http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Saturn.JPG

King Neptune Mediterranean (Gadeiros)
http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Neptune.JPG

Atlantis and The 10 Kings Translated by Riven.

Atlantis = Atlant  (Fatherland, Risen Land)  TA-TEN-EN =Old Egyptian> Risen Primordial Hill of Creation.

Father=Aita (Basque)   Patra /Atta (Greek)   Pater(Latin)   it(Egyptian) 

Plato translated Risen as epanateilantos > anateilantos >ateilantos >atilantos > atlantos > atlantis.

We can also relate the old Greek word of ATE as ruined land.

  Atlas         ( Fatherson, rising son, raiser of sky, risen stone )
Nw Africa =Morocco ,Algeria (Aterians, Azilians,Atalantes )

Gadeirus    ( Green body of rivers )
Iberia= Basque, Celtic , Portugal, British isles, Hyperborean Europe.

Ampheres   (to rest, at both sides) Amphiarus Taranto>Otranto
Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Tyrrhenia, (Etruscans,Appennines) Malta ( Tarxien >Tarshin )

Evaemon         ( fortunate woman ) Athena / Neith
 Tunisia, Libya ( Capsians, Qadan, Maxyan, Lotophagi ) Lake Tritonis/Athena

Mneseus         ( memory of a great warrior, God, Jove ) ( from a Trojan )
Crete ( Minos, Amnisus )  Phaesteus and Aghia-Triada=Mesara Plain

Autochthon     ( earthborn , native) Phoroneus, Prometheus.
Peleponnesia, Sicyon, Argo Attica, Thracia, Cyclades,.(Hellenic Greece)

Elassipus       ( horse riding, rulers )
Anatolia ( Phrygia, Troy,Ionia, Caria, Ephaesus, Ecbatana )

Mestor           ( NNE middle. Suitor ) 
Phoenicia, Syria ( Byblos, Tyre ) 

Azaes         (Heat or Ashened one)       
Mauretania ( Azas, Azamor , Alata, GuAlata, Guanches)

Diaprepes   Written Knowledge of God, ( highly distinguished )
Egypt, Nubia, Aetiopia. (AVILA=Africa/Kush)

 
The Founders
Neptune ( Sea/ Land God, Earth-Shaker, Chained feet, Savior of Ships, Horses ) Cleito’s lover.
Socrates also interpreted Poseidon (Neptune) to mean "without feet" or at feet's end or Chained Feet, meaning that when man came to the lands edge, he could no longer walk further. Coastal shorelines.

Evenor ( primeval firstborn, arrive with strength, vanishing ) Cleito’s Father

Leucippe (Grove of White Horses, Spartan surname) Cleito’s mother

Cleito (emperor’s favorite, sloping hill) Acropolis hill, Atlantis Royal City.

Based on Atlantean migration 10,840 bC (estimated 1,240 years of growth)
Countries Liberated after Great Battle and Atlantis sinking (2850-9600 bC)   

Riven dates a more precise estimate of Nov 1st, 6482 bC 21:00hrs for the great flood and sinking of Atlantis. Based on the Eye of Ra myth, ecliptic alignment of planets, Mt.Vesuvius and Mt.Hekla eruptions, Bosphorous straite (Black Sea) flooding and All Saints Day of Destruction Nov 1 and the margin of error between Greek Lunar Cycles and Egyptian Sun Cycles. Although Atlantis sank at this time it was still controlled from the Lake Tritonis region no later than 1500 bC.

Ironically Nov 1,1755, an earthquake from African/European plate tectonic pressure, triggered a great Tsunami that wiped out Lisbon, Azores, Madeira, Canaries and NW Africa.   

6482 bC for the fall of Atlantis and 3450 bC for the fall of the warriors (Greece, Phrygia, Anatolia, Phoenicia, Egypt) relating to the Gebel-el-Arak knife from 3500 bC and the Narmer Tablet of 3100 bC where the Atlanteans battled near the Gulfs of Atranto,Gabes, Messina Straite and the Alexandria Egypt Delta.

The Gebel-el-Arak Knife has the same Dragon Claw Orb Ship that can also be found on the Phaisteus Disk from Crete.

ATLANTES-of Libyan people
ATLANTICUS-of Mount Atlas
ATLANTIAS-female
ATLANTIADES-male

Written in Stone, King of The Double Falcons 3500.bC Libya, Delta Nile, Sinai, Levant.

...........A-T-L-A-N-T-I-S..........

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Atlantis%20Heiroglyph%20Riven05.JPG)

Solon: "Tell me Uadjahor, where lies Atlantis?"

Egyptian Priest: "Solon, as the Falcon flies west, to the risen land, over the empire of lions and Kings,Avila (Africa),and further west (2nd Falc.) over the the realm of Nu (Ocean), lies a once fertile sunken (flooded) land, where knowledge and the teachings of spirituality come from."-SaJaRa-Riven 2005.aD.

The Narmer Palette

The Writing is on the Wall.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Fallen%20Atlantean%20Kings%20on%20Narmer%20Palette%20Riven05.jpg)

10 Kings,  Double Falcons,  Twin Lions,  Royal Crowns,  Foreign Ship,  Circular Fortress,  Bull Worship


The four servants who carry the flag staffs, the first two near the ten fallen "Crowned" Kings (for their crowned heads are between their legs), are the most important flag staffs because they are most adorned with large flags on two. Above those flags are the Two Falcons.
As you'll also notice the two Bulls on top depict "Hathor", or the Egyptian flood of 3250.bC, where Hathor worship became popular with the inundation of the nile.

Before Hathor, it was The Two Falcons.

The Twin Lions are Twin Chimaeras. The "O" Symbolizes the Circular Sacred City, in comparison to "ON" for Egypt, or the Circular Fortress of Atlantis where Bull worship was introduced from.
As you See, Persians, or Sinai Arabians have harnessed the twin Lions after the fall of the 10 lion kings.
As you know, the Ramses kings also sold out to Phoenicia and the Persians.
Hence the Bull on the bottom bowing to the "Fortressed Nome", and fallen human.

The Ten Fallen Kings are not the Nine Bows.

As you'll also notice, the Pharaoh wears the Crown of the Delta Nile on this side of the Palette, representing the Atlantean Kingdom of The Delta Nile and The Twin A's or Double Falcons.
Could it be Sais, Buto, Memphis, Cairo, Heirakonpolis, Thinis, kom ombo, etc?
No, no double A's in their names.

You'll also notice above the fallen kings, a ship with a small bird above it. This means a foreigner or bad persons.
notice a little gremlin type creature in the boat?

The symbol they think stand for Mer, or the Chisel, may not be what they think.
To further provenance, the Great Pyramid, as you know it, was standing in the time of Khufu, and The Red, in the time of Snoferu.
I tell you these men did not build the Atlantean Pyramids.
I have also shown the 885 missing years from Khufu.
For me that is enough provenance to sustain that the Pyramids were standing around 3500.bC, for The Son of Man, Philitis The Good Shepherd, or JESA, was murdered Dec 10th, 3474.bC, by Znoferu, The Zero Worship.
You know them as Egyptians, because they wanted you to.

I wanted to know who that mysteriously advanced culture really was.

Remember This;

Khufu's Son, wanted to move away from his father and start his own worship in Abu Roash.

Akhenaten, wanted the Egyptians to stop worshipping false lords, and revert to ATEN.

"No longer would they call upon Osiris".....Akhenaten.

Properly;

The Commemorative Palette to The Fall of Atlantis.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Atlantic%20Satellite%20pic%20Riven05.JPG

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Tahla%20Lion%203%20Riven%2006.jpg.jpg

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Kingdom%20of%20Atlantis%20I%20by%20Riven05.JPG

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Alluvial%20Atlantis%20100000bC%20Riven%2005.JPG

5000 year old Cycladic Map of Atlantis ca 2800.bC

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Cycladic_Map_of_Atlantis_2800bC.jpg)

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Atlantean%20King%20Paulo%20%20Riven%20Logos.JPG)

Linear A Translation > Atlantis.

AA - Father, Mother,God,Goddess, Origen
(in this case singular primary A>Father > A-tlantis > Earth = Male)
TA - Earth
LA- There, in that place, land
AA - Father,Mother,God,Goddess,Origen
NA- Sacred Knowledge, pure, water, air,
TA-Earth
IA- and his, so high, adorned
SA-Son,,Child.

Father's Earth Land with Mother's Sacred Knowledge of Earth and His Son.

The meaning of the word Atlantis broken up into Linear A syllables and translated from 50,000 year old ancient Basque by Riven....

"The main evergreen forest is born a joyous miracle at dawn the abundant monument increases to unite the future arrival and remain loyal to the secret of creation."


.111.The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost.111.
The Trinity.
.111.

From The Father > ATEN > ATENA

ATENA (Athena)
MAAT (Neit)
MAATAKARE (Asia)
MA (Universal)

MOTHER IS THE HOLY GHOST.

She is the one who breathes life into us.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Womans%20Face%20in%20Magazine%20Pencil%20Art%20by%20Riven.JPG)

The Father gives us life.

When you grasp all that it is true and rightful...
then you will grasp your true King and Father, who's Wife gave you the breathe of Life.

And The Kingdom of His 10 Sons.

Mr 04 JASA Re-Creation After 6482.bC
Mr 14
Mr 24
Mr 34 Jesa Dec 10th, 3474.bC
Mr 44 Paulo J.Tx.Mn 1961- Mr.44 Jan 2006.aD.
Mr 54
Mr 64
Mr 74
Mr 84
Mr 94

Last January was when your Earth warmed up after I returned His Son and rid thee of the unmentionables.

Know that the Father JA is on my Side.

For sake of better understanding for us All in this great quest of Truth, I hope to fill the Hearts of Darkness with The Truth of Light and The Truth of our Father Creator JA and his Kingdom Atlantis, that still is to this day.
Most people who are realists,scientists or scholars as such, say that religion or God is a blind faith and as such breeds the roots of atheism or evolutionary theories like Darwinian monkeys.

Let me take you on a tour of VISUAL REALITY to strengthen you curiosities of human kind, for these are pictures taken from Google Earth and Hubble Space telescope, so you can blame them and not myself if you doubt.

Here is how my understanding and messages of God, who is our Father Creator JA and our newest Atlantis still upon our Earth after the Great Disaster of 6482.bC, which the Chapters of the Old Testament also point to as I have shown you also.

Incidently, ca 600.bC, JAinism, was followed by approximately 1 million people in India, through a Saint who walked around naked and neither killed nor slaughtered any living thing of our Father's creations, even insects or mosquitos for the matter. Perhaps, as our signs also reveal to us today, this saint also found the secret of JA, back then.
You can read about this in "JAINISM" at http://www.newadvent.org one of the Greatest Websites for Wisdom lost.

The detour from my Atlantis research, to a path paved with gold and light, took a turn when I decided to look on top of the Great Pyramid, using Google Earth and I found TWO LETTERS on top of The Great Pyramid of our Father Creator JA.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Great%20Pyramid%20of%20Giza2%20Riven05.JPG

Zoomed in;

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Great%20Pyramid%20of%20Giza4%20Color%20enhanced%20Riven05.jpg)

Then in our Atlantis Rising Forums,in the Egyptian Threads, some were seeking the answers to the stoneplugs in the airshafts and why they sent robots up there. To my amazement, I also found this image of JA, on the stoneplug. I simply alterred the color with Google's Picassa to better make out the hidden shapes upon the stone. Then I merely OUTLINED the forms I saw.

Naturaly, this leads one to believe the true purpose of the Robots commissioned by Zawii Hawass, to spray ACID on the stoneplug in his attempt to conceal JA and the continued coverup of his Kingdom, Atlantis, upon Egypt also.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Great%20Pyramid%20Stone%20Plug1%20Original%20Riven05.jpg

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Great%20Pyramid%20Stone%20Plug2%20Riven05.JPG)

Having realized this and heading 10 hours south of Cairo, I found the IDENTICAL TWIN PYRAMID to The Great Pyramid which is the Red Pyramid, and also the missing Lion Sphinx there, and the Temple of Man that they moved where they stained the grounds of Egypt with the Murder of The Son of Man, concealed later by the Wicked Khufu.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Vanished%20Lion%20Sphinx%20Temple%20of%20Fire%20Riven%20Jan%202006aD.jpg

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Missing%20Red%20Lion%20Sphinx%20of%20Avila%20Atlantis%20by%20Riven05.JPG)

Pondering all this, I thought to take a closer look at the Pyramids in Cairo and decode their true intent of The Lion Sphinx and why they faced to the eastward heavens as you see from my map here.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Pythagoras%20Pyramid%20Map%20by%20Riven05.GIF

The decoding of those Pyramids and their astral co-ordinates pointed me to the Carina Nebulae where I found this Hubble Telescope picture, which is originally black and white and color filled by them, with the message of our Son of Man, God, and the abominations in the heavens that were trying to get the Soul and Chalice of The Son of Man, while God, held him back for 5014 years with his light Dragon of Defence. This also revealed to me the Great Truth and atroscity of what they really did to The Son of Man which is nothing in comparison to Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ", but much, much worse.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Ascension%20%20and%20The%20Dragon%20of%20Defence%20%20Hubble%20Telescope%20R.JPG)

Having realized all this, I sought to find the missing Temple of Man with the echoes of old Egyptian Scrolls running through my mind. Then I thought about the "Tale of The ShipWrecked Sailor" and behold, thanks to Google Earth I was able to find the missing Temple pictured here;

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Relocated%20%20Temple%20of%20Fire%20Tomb%20of%20His%20Holiness%20Riven06.JPG)

To further attest the wisdom of our Father The Creator, Ja, and my belief of the real Eden in Africa as always I believed it to be near Lake Victoria or the Cano Agades regions of Mali, I finally found the Garden, which the hills and landscape there cleverly hid our great Truth of Creation, God, Xsam and Aja. Realisticaly perceived in antiquity, one would only be able to know this from the tops of Mountains like Kilimanjaro for example or the nearby hills in Nevi.

These are actual Google Earth pictures without any modification on my part whatsoever, which you can also view for yourselves if you go to the coordinates at the bottom of the pictures.

Pay attention to The left hand of God.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Eden%202%20Man%20Holy%20Dove%20Riven05.jpg

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Eden%208%20hand%20of%20God%20removing%20Adams%20Rib%20Riven05.jpg

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Eden%207%20left%20hand%20of%20God%20Riven05.jpg)

Here, in his left hand and hidden in his thumb, was our Father JA, creating our firstborn man after the great disaster of 6482.bC. To complex and perplex my mind even further, MY FACE is on The Babe upon the ground.

Don't ask me how this came to be, for I know not, other than the great reward of Ja for my having decoded the Lion Temple and returned his Son to him is my best guess for you all, or I am the embodiement of The Son of Man in this age of 44 years for me now, and in tune with the Secret of the 10 Kings of Atlantis such as Mr.24, Mr 34 (Jesa The Pure), and me, Mr.44.

Strange enough.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Eden%2016%20God%20in%20Thumb%20creating%20Eve%20Riven05.JPG)

It is also my belief that only a True Atlantean and Royal Son of Atlantis would be the prophet to reveal Atlantis and it's great Truth to us all, and as such is my birthright to The Azores Islands mid-Atlantic, and my Royal Bloodlines, I have revealed Atlantis to you all from ages past. Our latest Atlantean city to stand, that was also comparable to the words of Critias through Plato, is now Talha, Egypt and Al MANSA hur Egypt where these photos prove beyond any doubt your minds may have.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Atlantis%20Tahla%20Delta%20Egypt%20Riven05.jpg

As such, we also witness the Great Atlantean Lion upon her, no one can deny except Atlantis SUPPRESSORS who will be revealed by this denial.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Lion%20of%20Tahla%20Delta%20Egypt%20Riven%2006.jpg

As Critias spoke in his statement "past the broken pillars" we also find my Atlantis II location being past Ethiopian,Eritrea. This must have been the first Altantis "AFTER" the Great Disaster and The rebirth of man in The Garden of Nevi,Avila Africa Atlantis, later to progress north along the Nile into Egypt, Cairo and Delta Egypt at Talha and Al Mansa hur.

These lands were also populated BEFORE the Great Disaster from our Original Azores Atlantis location and Lake Tritonis Garrison as you have seen from my maps and especially The Empire of Atlantis I map.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Broken%20Pillars%20of%20Eritrea%20Riven05.jpg

Atlantis II.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Atlantis%20II%20Cade%20Avila%20by%20Riven05.jpg

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Avila%20Atlantis%20II%20Ocean%20View%20Riven05.jpg

Atlantean communication machine ca 3500.bC dismissed as "Phoenician Incense burners" by Scholars.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Atlantean%20%20Machine%203500bC%20%20Riven.jpg


As you now know, witness and have a better understanding and realization of Atlantis, God our Father JA, and The Great Hidden Truth, I hope this will save many lives for our futures of uncertainty by "Broken Oracles of Egyptia and Phoenicia", that effect us very strongly to this very day and powers the war upon Iraq at present and the true intent of world domination by certain "monetary machines" and “puppet” governments imposed as your own kind.

Tribes of Atlantis website:      http://www.mts.net/~perasa1

Pray With Him, Not To Him
Worship No Stone
Command No Death
Love Thy Neighbours
Preserve our History


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………………[R]...Sa JA Ra…Paulo J.Tx. Mn...[R]…Feb 7th, 8489.aJA…(2007.aD.)………


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Carolyn Silver on February 16, 2007, 09:20:04 pm
Welcome to ATLANTIS, Riven!

This is the place where all true Atlantean souls come and congregate!  Here, all the secrets of our sunken Atlantean homeland will be explored.

You have sure been productive, by the way! Nice art, too.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Jennifer O'Dell on February 17, 2007, 11:13:24 pm
Hey Riv,

Welcome to the forum.  Nice work...


Title: Tribes of Atlantis
Post by: Boreas on February 18, 2007, 04:14:43 am
Aegean islet center of ancient Cycladic culture


Keros is a tiny, chunk of rock sticking out of the Aegean Sea inhabited only by a single goatherd. But the barren islet was of major importance to the mysterious Cycladic people, a sophisticated pre-Greek civilization with no written language that flourished 4,500 years ago and produced strikingly modern-looking artwork.

The Cycladic culture -- a network of small, sometimes fortified farming and fishing settlements that traded with mainland Greece, Crete and Asia Minor -- is best known for elegant figurines. Most of the figurines are naked, elongated figures with arms folded under their chests. The Cycladic culture flourished between 3200-2000 B.C.

http://en.ce.cn/National/culture/200701/04/t20070104_9986433.shtml


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 22, 2007, 01:47:47 am
It's always a pleasure to grace your beauty Carolyn and Jennifer, thanks for the warm welcomes.

In response to Gary David's article on the Secret of 33;

Excellent work by the way, I'm sure your wisdom of Egypt will benefit
us also for our Atlantean research.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_gd1.htm#Along

Two things that strike me as logical according to Science, is that:
Human brains reached their apex some 250,000 years ago.
Humans were capable of anything.

50,000 years ago is the said apex of genetic mutations, or no new
race types according to Dna research.
Humans were Everywhere, Civilizations flourished.

That's 200,000 years for Man to figure out how to be civilized, or
roughly 8 Solar Cycles of 26,000 years.

No doubt, much more civilizations from America and S.America will
be unearthed.

From what we can see of your mystery of 33, is that it was an ideal
number, cognizant by initiates.

Also, we can see an ideal "Hesperides" within the parallels of 30 and
35, balanced by The Straites of Gibraltar.

I'm sure you've also noticed the closeness of the Great Pyramid to 30.
Did you measure the Stone on Top?

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Great%20Pyramid%20of%20Giza3
%20inverted%20color%20Riven05.JPG)

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Great%20Pyramid%20of%20Giza2
%20Riven05.JPG)

Another good explanation why America was also settled within
those regions, like The Chestnut Trees, Setaria Italica Grass, and
ancient cultures, is because they also kept this parallel of 30-35
degrees in tune with the North Star, as they were sailing, so they knew
how to return home.

Crossing the Atlantic, as I enjoy saying, was a trip to hades and no
knowledge of refreshments. (heading West to the falling
constellations)

Naturally, to follow ones line, should bide ones time!

Toe The Line. :)

The Moon(Great) Pyramid  29.58 N 31.08 E North (Giza)  White
White Sphinx (centered on head)
approx 235 x 70 feet at elbows.
29.58.30.91 N 31.08.15.69 E

The Sun (Red)  Pyramid    29.48 N 31.12 E South      Gold
Golden Sphinx ( "MISSING").
(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Missing%20Red%20Lion%20Sphinx
%20of%20Avila%20Atlantis%20by%20Riven05.JPG)
approx 235 x 70 feet at elbows.
North West of The Red Pyramid.
29.48.58.75 N 31.12.02.63 E

All Facing the east towards The Ascension.
(Preview with Caution)
http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Ascension%20%20and%20The%20Dragon%20of%20Defence%20%20Hubble%20Telescope%20R.JPG

A Word through Riven….SaJaRa….From God our Father Creator..Ja.

Be it known unto mankind, for he has bared witness for my Word.
My Son I carry in my right arm,
For what thou hast done upon this day which Riven foretells upon
you.
Dec Tenth; Eight minutes past Eight in the Morning of Capricorn, The
Star of Venus and Mercury as One with Jupiter above.
  In the age of  Humanities reincarnation, to the year Three Thousand
Four Hundreth and Seventy Four, years of Age before his Second
Coming upon the innocent.
Standeth upon the stain of Egytpa, Cairo.

Thirty Degrees and Three minutes due North.

Thirty One Degrees and Fifteen Minutes due East.
Seven Thousand  Nine Hundred and Seventy One Stars Twinkling at Six
and Half magnitude.

Wanna know something funny I just realized yesterday?

The Catholic Church, I attended as an usher and "walker" of the
money box after to the Altar for some 16 years until my Father's
passing the Oval Light when I was 22....

To the Main entrance....

The Square Wooden Door with a large wooden cross on it, an Arch
overhead with a Lantern, boldly greet you...

under the Arch, on either side of the wooden door are...

Orichalcum Pillars (Pink Granite)

You don't believe in me...

but they are there, to see, and witness.

--------------------
[R]..Riven The Seer and Royal Bloodline to Atlantis..[R]


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Europa on February 22, 2007, 11:23:01 am
Wonderful work as always, Paulo, and thank you for joining us at the forum.  I was beginning to field questions as to whether you'd been invited, so I'm personally glad that you're here.

You'll notice that most of the people from AR have also been invited here, and that we can post pictures in every part of the forum.  I hope you enjoy it all.

All the best,

Europa


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 15, 2007, 05:39:22 am
Thankyou Europa;

I am  always impressed by your work also, for like us unified Atlanteans, it is a work by all of us in the never ending story rather than just a book we can buy with hopes for 79.97.

My greatest joy from our research, lies not in finding Atlantis, and questioning her whereabouts, but in knowing that Atlantean Cultures are real and have always been.

And Finding God for myself from his mysterious hand.

As I have proven, our Gods and Goddesses are Atlantean for this sphere of TA.

Our Wisdom is Atlantean.

Thankyou Europa.


“The 5500 Year Suppression of Ages”
To know is immortal

The Greatest curiosities upon our selves, is simply to know our selves and the mysteries of our Self being and Universe so vast. What grand purpose do we have here and why so much cruelty and suffering upon ourselves.

Because we don’t know ourselves and we don’t truly have the freedom to attain that goal for the formations of environments around us and through medias.

Sins, we know plenty of, and we know why… money and power, two of the greatest sins, for all, there is no power in us as there is in our Galactic Father, or God as you know him, though you know him not, and know not how to reveal Him for his true manner of being to convince us that He Exists.

Because they want to convince you that God is Money and money exists.

The existence of money and power for luxuries and perversions, above all, have distorted our very conception of well being, histories and spirituality, for evil always seeks to take away your spirituality to weaken you.

Hence conformed and implemented Corruptions of Propaganda.

We see it every day and every where, both in the human kingdoms and animal kingdoms.

Because of Our Stain.

This Stain will be 5480 years old on December the Tenth of this year, two thousand and seven, in the year of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, for all, on a worldwide level, though their religions are different and many, they all know in generality.

The core of our Histories, more or less, has always been focused around the Mediterranean, where we are also watchful for the histories of Egypt because of their great monuments left behind for us to witness and their records in temples of worship.

Many have asked and still debate the great mystery of the Pyramids and the Wisdom of yesterdays Scholars, and why it is that we only know the history of Egypt to roughly 3100.bC to a time of a First Pharaoh, and what are the mysteries of earlier Pharaohs, like Narmer, or Scorpion King and hints of other preceding Pharaohs. Pharaohs, who reach the day of light to 4000.bC from the provenance of the Palermo Stone which I believe was “broken” on purpose to hide older facts of our Histories, especially around 3500.bC, or before Christ.

The Bronze Age is capped around this time also, and the rest of the Mediterranean doesn’t seem to “wake up” until after 2000.bC, By 1000 aD, most of the Western knowledge was altered and hidden to favor the East.

In All, part of the great 5500 year suppression of Ages which all changed when they abandoned Our True God, who is Father.

But who can say, who is Father? What evidence can they sustain to convince us of Father other than words of hope and wisdom?
Who can say whose religion is proper when God has anger with 7 Churches that are in Asia?
For this reason, their very own revelations, shall be revealed unto themselves, for to alter God’s name is a revelation unto thyself of thine own doings as it has been for 5480 years.

For this reason they changed your calendar to Zero, and glorified themselves with riches and have hidden the truth from amongst our selves to gain the promise of the “broken one”, as they have glorified themselves with our true hidden knowledge.

For this reason, the Library of Alexandria fell to Pergamon, where they themselves, say the seat of their abomination also resides near the perch of The Ark.

Strange, for the Ark has been perched for at least 5000 years also, or since the First Pharaoh as you know him, Pharaoh Menes.

You know Menes, but you don’t know the Secret of Mn, which is part of a Royal Family of Wisdom and Time.

Nor do you know the Secret of our True Histories as Atlanteans, because our truth bears no academic standing in our schools of wisdom, if you can call them such things for all their falsities mediated by families of Zero.

So, to tell a Great Lie, is Great Truth, such as to portray Atlantis as a mystical underwater Disney movie, is burnt into the deepest neuro-logic memory banks of our minds.

Such as spending money or slaying our neighbours for crazed manias of distorted beliefs and hidden rages brought on through thought control which evolves into our maturities and family functions.

In other words, gross injustice and negligence upon ourselves through medias of corruption to the level of accepted tolerance and disfunction.

So, in truth, we are innocent as to why, but not as to have known why and still do.
Part of this corruption is also bred on purpose to distort forms of gain, such as religions, God or personal growth or our true histories. A prime example is we often see Crosses, God, Jesus Christ, Bibles and other religious purposes portrayed along side evils on our televisions, such as the The Excorcist and Linda Blair……when she was a child of 13 years of age for her demented movie role.

Again, focus is on Corruptive Power where the mentality of God and religions reaches a point of rejection because they themselves, the followers of Zero, blame God for our injustices and misfortunes and label him a murderer to have wiped out our Earth by a Great flood for his resentment of us.
Or, Priests, Bibles and God, will end up harming us with a “Texas ChainSaw” or “Silence of The Lambs”.

It was not God, the reality is it was Mr. Zero, whose abomination formed from the evils of your Sins upon ourselves, just as the Purity of God forming from the goodness of your deeds upon ourselves.

So, every Earth like planets with humans, also have their Gods in other Galaxies where the Law of One justifies Air and Water and comfort to sustain our lively hoods.

For example, most of us cannot look at a naked body without thoughts of lust if desired or detestment and embarrassment if resentful, for lack of beauty and spirituality of the complexity at hand.

A good example, is that in ancient times, fat big butted goddesses, were looked upon as beautiful because they were closer to God, in ancient times, before we abandoned him for the power of Zero.

The key word is Power, because the Power of Purity or God, and the Power of Zero, were the battles of our life forces to sustain provenance of kingdom, or our Earth, which sadly we see in our medias, families and futures, reflected by the power of zero.

Only problem is, the the followers of Zero, who are leading our very destruction, have no Mr.Zero, to further perpetrate their cause of evil doings and puppet governments.

The reason for this is that the 5500 year suppression has seen the light of day, and the truths of ourselves and our histories has been revealed.

The benefits of this is in the message of World Peace and Prosperous Growth for All of Us, no matter where we stand on this Earth.

Religion has stood the test of time and will always stand the test of time because there is no greater glory than Spiritual growth for us to continue in our next phases of development if we preserve our very well being…

That is, our Souls.

This was the Tragedy of Zero, to please you for your Souls so he could grow further than his 7 light years size within our very energies around us.

Imagine if we were to become that abominations energy?

That is the same purpose of those in Power, to be like the Gods.

Tragic that they shall become the Gods of misfortune in the world of the greys or their souls evaporated into the bowels of Sekhmet and Orion, or Osiris and Isis if you like.

Because it is to Egypt that we are thankful to know the truth of our Histories and God, and to reveal unto us this 5480 years of Suppression, that and a mysterious land known as Africa.

It is to Africa that we owe it to ourselves to be thankful for the truths of our histories, to some extent. Our Scientists discover our oldest bones there, and trace our DNA roots to around the lands of Tanzania, Africa and The Old Duvai Gorge of Ethiopia. Our knowledge base has grown to a level to understand Dinosaurs or Continental plate theories, or wonderful machines that marvel our imaginations and transport us around this entire globe, or magnificent displays of human effort with our Cities or sacrifices of countless of lives for Wars of distortion and greed and false religions.

A 6000 year old war that continues to this day and terrifies our very existence

Call it systematic genocide if you like, for the purpose of the yellow race who glorifies themselves for their 100 years of breathe here on Earth.

It is also to Africa, that we owe ourselves the hidden knowledge of Atlantis and Atlanteans, as it was revealed not only in Sais, Egypt around 570.bC,, but also by our scholars of yesterday who memorized the Atalantean and Atarantean cultures of Africa (see Herodotus Histories).

But who is one man, to convince us of these great truths and why should we accept these truths as provenance.

Because the evidence has been collected to reveal our hidden histories and truths of not only ourselves, but of God and his grand purpose here for us all to be free of corruptions and live in peace and prosperity and to grow in a positive manner.

Perhaps, when we too realize our God, and return to Him as we once did prior to 3250.bC, then we too can build Pyramids with God, like our Atlantean forefathers of TA, the ancient name for our Earth, which became Atlantis or Atalantis if you prefer.

Sadly, we changed it to Earth, from our Suppressions upon ourselves, for here too, evil arose out of Egypt and stained Africa, Arabia, the Levant (Phoenicia) and Phrygia…

Then, it spread throughout our world by the followers of Zero.

Some knowingly while others unknowingly, to support the grand purpose of broken oracles, or promises, unknown to themselves.

Rich they became in the physical, but poor they become in the Spiritual.

In ignorance of their selves, but not in ignorance of their perversions.

True, a man may be King, or President or Wealthy in Riches, but is he wealthy in respect and rememberance? We only need to read about Croesus and Plato to understand the meaning of this.

The True meaning is what we all seek to understand.

To further the purpose of our cause, the meaning is simple for our 5500 year suppression.

Without lay of blame, for lack of knowledge, this meaning in the deepest sense becomes only two.

Jesus The Christ, and Judas The Anti-Christ.

I say this in a different sense of understanding, rather than what we commonly accept because we need to understand truly the purpose of the two.

Judas, we understand that he betrayed Christ who was murdered by the families of Eleazar, the black hooded priests of the 72.

For here is a land where they claim self glorification to justify that Wisdom, Knowledge, our English Alphabet, God, His Son and Mr.Zero all reside?

And here is the Holiest of Holies and the root of our Holy Bible, the Book of Constantine the ByZeroTine.

The root of this word is “Roma”, for they have been influencing our religions for 5500 years also with their cries of “Thou Shalt be put to Death”!! In fact, we can discover that this is 3000 years of influence for 1000.bC was when the Phoenicians reached Western Europe and Africa, and 1000.aD, was the apex of “Roma” integrations.

This “Roma” is also the root of degrading Christians and Catholics alike and setting down the foundations of our beliefs today, such as we also perpetrate everything to Sanskrit or Indo-Europeans without any regard or teachings of virtue for our true histories.

Then you wonder why they also hide Linear A or Atlantis.

When the Wisdom of the West Fell, such in case as The Great Library of Alexandria, the Wisdom of The East also arose and has been manipulated and contorted for their personal gain.

Such as they are known for Serpent cultures or forked tongues, which is also represented by their writings such as the chicken scratches of cuneiform for Darius or early Sumerians or The Tower of Babel and Babylon.

For truly, if you you believe in them, then they shall prosper from you. Just tally up the monetary gain of The Holy Bible or claim of the God and The Holy lands.

But how are we to truly understand all this?

Simple.

To read The Book of Atlanteans is more dangerous than reading the Bible.

Because, the Book of Atlanteans will reveal to you the Truth of Our Histories and not a conformed book of our legends and myths or garbled bits of scrolls accumulated to a magnificent story of misfortune, such as The Battle of Troy or The Illiad, or The Holy Bible.

To study Atlanteans is to understand our World Cultures as they were and interacted until that fateful day of December 10th, 3474.bC when Zero worship transpired from Snoferu and Khufu.

For this reason 150 years of Darkness fell upon Egypt and The Temples were closed, and Khufu, like his father, murdered millions.

Since then, or after Pharaoh Den, the Stain of Egypt has effected us all for from Egypt it carried into Arabia and Phoenicia, Phrygia and into Europe, and today worldwide for China and Japan are also corrupted.

The Secret of The Golden Calf, or The Slaughter of The Bull, is The Greatest Sacrifice.

The Slaughter of The Son of Man, which was also portrayed again, by Jesus Christ.

Then we have to ask ourselves, was this betrayal on a par with the followers of Zero Worship?

Did their secret books of evil rights know in advance the coming of Him?

We can also view this as the secret rights who keep an eye out for Atlantis, because they know the truth of Atlantis will reveal their falsities upon us.

Jesus Christ died around Zero to our Calendars, because he was chosen.
Jesa Christ died December 10th,3474.bC at 8:08am, because he was pure.
Christ today lives because he is both impure and pure.
For this reason the Evil ones didn’t see his coming and missed their opportune to revive Zero.
Because Christ today, has rid thee of Zero and the Evil ones will suffer the revelations.
Only the followers of Zero remain for the Wisdom of God to justify their sins of ignorance.

In part, the great concealment of those Zero worshippers will be revealed because today, they also try to tell you that the Anti-Christ, or Judas, had good intentions and was related to Christ and they fabricate false shows or papyrus to marvel the weak and monetary slaves.

The other concealment, is that God has revealed himself, His Wife, His Son, His Daughter, and His True Garden where he recreated us after our Great Disaster caused by Mr.Zero who has also been trying for 5480 years to attain the Soul of His Son as he ascended into the Heavens with God.

But now, this great entity of spiritual energy has been released by the Wisdom of God upon ourselves.

For truly I say, that I have no intentions nor purpose to perpetuate such things either amongst myself or others, but rather that these works are in fact the mysterious works of a God we once knew and abandoned.

All because I gained a passion to reveal the truth preserved by Plato, because of the truth preserved by my earth father.

My father’s truth was the Royal history of our Family of Mn, which so far I have traced to Queen Lenor of Portugal around the 12th century, and not actually Atlantis as some people think.

Although, true in the sense of Atlantis being our old name for Earth and what our ancestors were calling themselves like we say “Humans”.

True also in the sense that Menestheos is a remembered King as are Pharaoh Menes, or Atlantean King Mneseus of  Sicily, Crete and The Cyclades or Minoan cultures.

Also true in the sense of Min, the Father of Egypt and true in the sense of Man and Woman.

All Secrets of the Royal Family of Mn.

Now the complexity of all this is simple if we understand that when we use the term Christ, such as it is in the word Christian, that we are in fact referring to The Blood of The Son of Man, who is the First Born Son of God, our Father.

Throughout our time, which we know at least 250,000 years ago to our pinnacle of brain development, or 50,000 years ago to the height of our genetic race types or cultures, that many embodiments of The Son of Man have come and gone for us in our world histories.

These, like the Great Flood stories, we preserve in our cultural legends and myths.

Legends, that have been purposefully altered throughout our 5500 years of suppressions.

Legends that start with Snoferu and Khufu circa the said 2700.bC, although 885 years are missing from the reversion to Solar Calendars from Lunar when they closed the Temples and erected the new Sun Temples and the worship of Osiris, Isis and Horus based on the rising star of Sirius and Orion, which makes the Jackals and Hounds of Egypt run in fear of their shadows and howl all night long and the crocodiles are restless to fulfill their laws of Draconian malices.

Since then, systematic subjugations for this worship of Judas have effected the Nine Bows of Africa as Sesostris circa 1682.bC also slaughtered the countless throughout Libya, Arabia, The Levant and even to do battle with the Greeks with the merger of Indo-Europeans around this time, whereupon the Hyksos retaliated and also became crazed with the countless slaughters of many and subjugated Egypt in return and reverse the role of Egypt to that of Mesopotamia.

For they all came out of Egypt and circumcised themselves as Egyptians, and placed Arks on their altars as Egyptians and glorified themselves with knowledge of Egyptians, Religions and Architectural buildings.

The temple of Todd in Phoenicia (Sidon, Byblos and Tyre) exemplifies this transition period as The Ramses Kings of the middle ages also unified the bond with Phoenicia and Egypt, since they have been trading from at least 3000.bC.

When the Phoenicians traveled to Western Europe and Africa, they gained much knowledge and our histories where today our schools of teachings, falsely conform to us that linear b, is the father of our alphabet when in reality it is like Atlantis, the hidden Linear A or basic roots of speech and hieroglyphics.

Just as they have hidden the knowledge of Atlanteans and our True Father who is JA and His Son that they took away from him and concealed His Temple and His Holy Garden.

The answers I have for you, the wisdom to know and witness, I also have for you.

They are not fabrications nor are they desires of distortion or perversions for monetary gain.

If they were, I would have kept silent like an aspiring author and published a “get rich quick” book for you all to read like the Da Vinci Code whose work had already been laid out by other authors.

Then again, you have to wonder why they made a movie for Dan Brown.

Because they know how to distort your truth with lies as they do your religions and history books.

But let me Strengthen your disbeliefs, for 2700 years have passed since Hesiod and 2500 years for Herodotus.

Nary a one has revealed to you for all this time of Secret of Hesiods Greek Muses or Herodotus’ nine books of our Histories….tho they be 10 for the Hidden Book of Mylo.
For this reason, The Greeks forgot their histories around Homer.

This is authenticity of my works and visions for us all to verify.
The Secret of Mylo and The Books of Herodotus by Riven. 2006.aD. (8488aJA.)
9:05 PM 1/12/2006

Herodotus of Halicarnassus.
440.bC.

Book 1) Clio
Book 2) Euterpe
Book 3) Thalia
Book 4) Melpomene
Book 5) Terpsichore
Book 6) Erato
Book 7) Polymnia
Book 8) Urania
Book 9) Calliope

Book 10) Where is it? Someone has it.

Herodotus was writing in the era of memory of the 10 Kings (after 1500.bC,Deukalion), and he definitely was not writing about the Ennead....
Please return the book to us,It belongs to Man and Woman.
You can no longer hide the lies.

The Secret of the Books of Herodotus by Riven.

Clioeuterpethaliamelpomeneterpsichoreeratopolymniauraniacalliope.

Epoillacainaruainmylopotareerohcispretenemoplemailahtepretueoilc.

Epo- illa- caina- rua- in- mylo- potare- ero- h(ae)cis- pretene- moplema(Mopsus)- ila- hete- pretueo.


Epic by that way fallen (Vulcan?)to waste/sorrow into this MYLO > Mysian/ drunken wanderer with his faults, to lie before the Oracle broken Secret Society greatly prized here.

Translated with Cassell's New Latin Dictionary, 1959 edition....from Ja.

By SaJaRa Riven Jan 12,2006.aD (8488aJA.)


RETURN THE 10TH BOOK OF MYLO....Please, it is a piece of our History, along with the Books of Alexandria....Thankyou.


Immortality is attained through the Heart and not the Eyes or Ears.

Had I based my research on The Bible, you would have never known your truths.

Now you know.

For it is as it has become…. Tribes of Atlantis.

To Know Is Immortal.

To Know Is…. http://www.mts.net/~perasa1

Save these Works to Be Immortal and Purify our Distortions.

In time you will understand why and the clues I have provided for you from God our Father in search of my family roots. Though you disbelieve me and think I fabricated the photos or wisdom..
You will come to understand that these are not the writings of a book nor personal gain, but virtue of wisdom for ourselves and a great message of World Peace.

And you will come to know our Father and His Secret of Creation as witnessed in His True Garden.
You will come to know the true ascension of His Son and the Carina Nebula Star System Secret.

The Glory of All of Us.

King of The Double Falcons.

MN

Men of Wisdom and Time

[R]…SaJaRa- Paulo J.Tx.Mn…[R] March 15th, 8489.aJA. (2007.aD.)

(edit: shortened empty space at end board-Riv.)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Tom Hebert on March 15, 2007, 06:21:25 am
Hi Carolyn,

So do you believe that most of us here are probably reincarnated Atlanteans?  If so, I hope our purpose is to do good this time around!



Welcome to ATLANTIS, Riven!

This is the place where all true Atlantean souls come and congregate!  Here, all the secrets of our sunken Atlantean homeland will be explored.

You have sure been productive, by the way! Nice art, too.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Tom Hebert on March 15, 2007, 06:35:45 am
Welcome, Paulo!  I'm glad you dedided to join this group.  I confess that I didn't follow much of your postings on AR due to lack of time.  However, I was glad that you ferreted out interesting avenues of research and also that you were willing to consider the spiritual and moral aspects of the subject.

Tom


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 16, 2007, 02:40:52 pm
Tom;

Not only are we reincarnated, but we are Atlanteans.

According to Earth History.

To be honest Tom, I didn't expect to discover the spiritual and moral aspects of Atlantis.

I expected to discover the city and the cultures, but not to take a mysterious turn towards God and his hidden truths like Atlantis.

I often ask, why me for I was not pure?

Maybe because the truth of God, is the truth of Heart, and my Heart is true to Atlantis, both from my heritage of being born in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, and from my passion for the truth felt in Plato's Timaeus.

The Sad thing that most people miss, for lack of knowledge and disbelief, is that God does in fact have a message for us from His Pyramids, His Temple, His Son, His Garden, His Wife, His Creation and His Carina Nebula.

That message is Atlantean.

Strange but True.

You have no idea of the frustration I go through trying to teach people these messages of our histories and getting kicked out of "powerful" forums for revealing a true life experience.

See Jennifer O'Dell;

It isn't work, it's a rewarding experience.

To know the knowledge of Atlantis and Atlanteans, is to know ourselves and our truths.

It all makes perfect sense.

Then I have to ask myself why I was born on All Saints Day and why Christopher Columbus called my hometown of Victoria,Teceira...

... Jesus Christ Island.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Atlantis%20I%20%206500bC%20Riven%2005.jpg)

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Kingdom%20of%20Atlantis%20I%20by%20Riven05.JPG)

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Alluvial%20Atlantis%20100000bC%20Riven%2005.JPG)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 30, 2007, 08:38:59 pm
I realize that most people still do not accept my photos of our True Garden of Avila, however, after this latest update of a closer view of our Garden, you will be amazed how the very natural images upon her reflect the words of The Bible.

What is even more fascinating, is that I didn't realize that God's Left Hand also portrayed THE EYE OF RA symbol which verifies the true wisdom of early Atlanteans and their closeness to our Father when they built the Pyramids.

Seems the secret of The Eye of Ra is The Secret Place of God's Holy Garden in Avila where he re-created us.

Strange but Truth.

[R]...The Garden of Avila Decoded by Paulo Riven...[R]

.............ARK.............

Armoured Rogue Knight
Garbed in White
The Circular Fortress
Guards his Might
His footsteps Tremble
The Grounds of TA
The Journey undertaken
For The Eye of Ra.
The winding path
Alee of The Serpent
Hold fast our Walls
For the Apis Bull in presence.
gazes to the Holy Oracle
First Born is Come
First Born Undone.

Turn to Face The Sun.
Paulo J.Tx.Mn Mar.29/07.

If you still don't believe that The Garden of Avila IS in TAnzania, Africa, then perhaps, as you know I have not altered a single pixel of the natural formations rather than to outline them, or add tags, then perhaps you might ask yourself how can there be all these identifying markers that portray the very words of our HOLY BIBLE.

I have also updated some new info in The Garden of Avila article in my website where I now realize more of the story around there such as my mistake in saying the image next to Aja(Eve) was Xsam(Adam).

This is however an image of the Evil Sorcerer who conjured the Spirit Serpent from a crystal orb and tempted Aja with her dual nature.

God, our Father JA-MN, created His First Son, The Babe in The Garden with my face on Him, then Aja, whereupon the First Child, Xsam or Adam as you know him, was born. Then Eve's daughter came next.

Not Cain and Able.

I am not The First Son, by the way. I am Mr.44 as you know.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Garden_of_Avila_Tanzania_Africa_SaJaRa_Riven.JPG)

To Know Is Immortal.

All is Seen and Witnessed.

Atlanteans.

The Double Falcons - ATLA - AVILA - Mn.

Keepers of Wisdom and Time - Paulo J.Tx.Mn. 8489.aJA.

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[R]..Riven The Seer and Royal Bloodline to Atlantis..[R]


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 03, 2007, 03:04:30 am


Sometimes I wonder if this Whole world is filled with unruly children, or are there any intelligent individuals out there?

Seems everyone's mind is boxed.

For the most part, if any of you have any intelligence on Atlantis, then you would have read Plato's preservation of Atlantis in Timaeus.

For the second part, I am not at the stage of discovering Atlantis for the first time, I am at a far stage of understanding, which as has been told, the research was altered by God last January and The Garden of Avila discovered.

We can question anyone's accounts of anything, but to verify and know takes detective work.
Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear.

As, I also said, God's greatest gift is not to have Life, but to have Freedom of Life and Choice, for if HE WANTED TO he could have made you to obey him and worship only him and know only him, but then, would that not be Selfishness and Greed?

It is this selfishness and greed that hinders your growths to understand, for neither do you understand the CLUES PROVIDED, nor do you understand The Mystery of God, His Son and His Garden.

But, you understand a 2300 year old Holy Book or Satanic Verses or Crack pipes and Porno movies or Alien bases, or DaVinci Codes.

I have not explained to you my theory of Atlantis, but, if you are intelligent enough to really and deeply immerse yourself in the COURSE OF THE RESEARCH, which all dating, data, sources and such can be verified by post stamps in forums, then you would understand the immense amount of work involved to come to know some very important and vital clues to your mysteries.....

Ah, true, an Evil King can destroy many years of Histories with one word........Attack!!

Which is what most of you do, attack me and ridicule what has been witnessed along the proven track.

That is what bothers you the most, because it can all be proven and verified.

You use google earth, and woooahh, the guy didn't fabricate the pictures! They are as Google Earth Satellite program incorporated, just as we see our very own homes and streets in our neighbourhoods where we live.

Guess you all don't live there either.

I'm elated you all think I'm nuts, or need a psychiatrist, because it shows that my work truly mystifies you, just as your wacky psychiatrists would not be able to explain my "third eye" visions that foretell, or my ability to "SEE" people through physical walls of concrete, steel or wood or drywall.

Then again, how am I going to prove that to you?

Same way you have to prove things you have witnessed and others doubted. I do have many witnesses.

In short I will try to make you understand my theory of Atlantis.

First, Atlantis is our old name for Earth as it evolved from "TA" many years prior, which they named a City after our Earth, Atlantis.

This Royal City, is said in our Atlantean Chronicles of Plato and Chalcidius, to have been IN FRONT OF THE PILLARS OF HERCULES.

I for one, take Plato seriously, and do not call him or Herodotus a Liar, like you all do. The same will be said for your scholars today for our tomorrows.

When they tell you 5000 years today, our futures will say, no it was months, or 50 or 500 solar cycles.

But today, you understand 5000. So too did those scholars yesterday who were just as smart as our scholars today.

There is no mistaking that they clearly meant thousands of years prior to themselves for they told you about Deukalions flood, and third floods before Deukalion, and also to the Seeding of Hephaestus and Athena, which really means the Unison of Mercury and Venus when they formed the brightest Star in the eastern Sky that day of December 10th, 3474.bC, and also to the time of first agricultures and metallurgies of Civilizations which we see Copper,Gold and Tin or Silver arising ca 6000.bC, as they also capped falsely your civilizations to mesopotamia or Catal Hayuk (Cattle-H) while trying to push them back to maintain their self glorification, for they also gave you your Bible, Calendar, Taxes, Banks, God, Jesus, Judas, Satan, Nohaha's Ark, etc, etc....

and your schools, medias, and entertainment, mush puppies.

A Clever Twist of The Tale.

And don't think I haven't done my astrological homework either, which verifies the date as it does also 6482.bC when the Greatest Flood hit us.

All the information we have, we have to take with a grain of salt, for there is much distortion and credibility to verify first, such as the it pleases the critics of carbon dating or other theories and legends.

So, to Sail The Sea of Ulysses......

To Azores Atlantis I, The Sub-Continental Island some 300 miles entrance IN FRONT OF THE PILLARS OF HERCULES, you find the original home of Atlantis, or our Old Middle Earth, until it moved East and into Africa.

Then it moved East again to Mesopotamia.... mush puppies.

So today, you all believe their 2300 year old DOG EATING EVIDENCE, for the unruly forum member here who posted that criticism.

And IT IS TAUGHT EVERY DAY IN YOUR SCHOOLS.

Believe me when I say, the Agents of Zero are everywhere.

But they are falling into a very deep, deep abyss.

Now after many long hours of research and new discoveries, taken with guidance of your knowledge bases, I realized Africa was also Atlantean, and naturaly since the Legend of Atlantis came from the Lips of an Egyptian, then it is there too, that we must look for more clues.

Just as people still look for the meaning of The Pyramids and all the Wonderous and Advanced workings that went on in Egypt.

Did someone just say " Advanced" ??

That is because the Atlanteans, WERE the only TRULY ADVANCED CULTURE.

So when you gaze upon Egypt, it is in fact extremely easy to understand that you are in fact looking at ATLANTEAN TECHNOLOGY.....

that was altered through time and histories just as they still do today to you and us.

I have no need to start a cult as some here say,

for every last one of you here on our Earth, has already joined.

Because you're REAL BLOOD ROOTS and DNA ROOTS are ATLANTEAN.

Forget about everything else you know, and look alone to the MEANING of the word Atlantis.

It is not a made up word.

The translations you know today, are also the meanings, but they are not THE WORD.


I only say this once more, for those who doubt the underwater Atlantis, you can STILL SEE Atlantean Cities ALL OVER AFRICA and THE WORLD.

Just look on top of those holy mecca mountains, and again you will also find concentric circles like Ecbatanas Fortress.

Isn't that by Zachariah Sitchens alien landing site? woo woo.

So not only have I proven Atlantis and Atlantean Kingdoms, still visible on Earth, and will come to prove our True Garden of Avila,
but I will prove The Father to you, and His Son.

It's gonna drive you all nuts when you find out it's true.


See you in The Chair.

Even though you disgrace your True and Good King.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 06, 2007, 02:59:35 pm
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It is not the numbers we look to but the meaning of the numbers.

The meaning of the numbers is in the meaning of the story...

THE THIRD FLOOD BEFORE DEUKALION.(1625.bC)

The same as it is for the holy bible and The Great Flood which provides intelligable meaning for a date marker once you discover the actual flood. (6482.bC in my view)

This is said in both the Timaeus and The Critias.

I believe the Timaeus to have been the original account, and the Critias, perhaps, the "edited" account.

Because Critias in Latin is in meaning as "Hebrew Judges".

Could this provide a clue for us that the Critias was translated by the Byzantine or Eastern authors, perhaps after the fall of Alexandria and that is why we don't find a copy of Critias by Chalcidius?

The other important factor is that we can now understand since my discovery of the Hidden Message of the 9 Books of Herodotus, that the authors were suppressed and supervised to write what the rulerships would allow.

So, clever as those men were, they hid the Truth, like DaVinci codes statement...

So Great The Con of Man.

To further verify, and to clear up WHY the Greeks had lost their recorded Histories around their Dark Ages is simple...

Because HESIOD also used the exact same Book Titles before Herodotus for his 9 Greek Muses.

This identifies beyond doubt that from 700.bC to at least 440.bC, that those author were suppressed and under false rulership.

Food for thought.

[ 04-06-2007, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: Riven ]

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[R]..Riven The Seer and Royal Bloodline to Atlantis..[R]


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: dhill757 on April 07, 2007, 09:09:40 pm
Hi Riven, old friend, how have you been?

Did you ever find those pictures that the Russians took of the Ampere Seamounts?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 08, 2007, 03:07:10 am
Great, how about you?
Pleasure to hear from you.

No such luck yet my friend, I need to find some KGB experts or MI-6's perhaps!
It's not easy snooping around old russian files. :)

We always wish we had more help for our hard efforts though and some great news would befall us.

Well, you know what they say, if you want it done the right way....

It has been an amazing experience dhill.

The battle to instill the truth is harder than looking for Atlantis and Atlanteans!!

Realizing my own truth, for a human Atlantean, is truly unbelievable.
If my instincts are right, and you know my instincts lead me where to look,

The DaVinci Code may be trying to tell us something that they couldn't find.

Mary and Jesus when they fled to France,
gives me a chance.

But it didn't end in France,
For Christopher Columbus
threw the lance.

Beyond Saturn's Throne.
Where They Hid.

Protected by Atlantean Neptune.
From The Phoenicians of Ruin.


Faith;

Thank you, I too look forward to plausible.
I have no means to be archaeological.

I believe my 2800.bC Cycladic map is plausible.
I believe Tala and Al Mansura are plausible.
The Lion of Tala is plausible.
The Missing Sphinx is plausible.
The Temple of Man is plausible.
The Garden of Avila will become plausible
I sent a letter to Unesco submissable.

The Orichalcum Lion Bracelet
The Ampheres Lion Sceptre
The Dragon Claw Orbis Ships
The Atlantean Machine
The StoneHenge image with the same ship.

The Secret of Hesiod and Herodotus.
My translation of Chalcidius

and most importantly, The Kingdom of The Double Falcons = Heiroglyphic > A.A.

The truer era of early Atlanteans ca 3500.bC.

Narmer Palette, Gebel el Arak Knife, Tomb 100 map, Phaistos Disk ca 3250-3500.bC.

Debateable; God's Name on Top of The Great Pyramid and His image on the airshaft stoneplug.

I would say there is more plausible, wouldn't you Faith?

Don't forget Atlantis II in Mozambique with the 55 foot across circular wall whose foundations are still visible and the concentric mountains facing the Indian Ocean.

All Facts of Atlantis for the most part, to name a few.

Which takes me to Bianca's question about the Black Cat Highly worshipped in Egypt.

No, I am not confusing myths, Bianca.

The Last Atlantean Kingdom was the era of The Double Falcons, which research will show you ca 3250-3500.bC.

Before the first "commonly accepted" -Pharaoh Menes who is said to have unified Egypt ca 3000-3200.bC.

I'm not going to include the missing 885 years of Khufu for his father's great Sin.

When the Atlantean Kingdom fell, back then around 3450.bC, the general worship in Libya,Egypt,The Sinai,and The Levant(Phoenicia), was The Double Falcon.

It then changed to Hathor, The Horned Cow and the worship of Sekhmet.

So why is Sekhmet The Black Cat Egyptians and Phoenicians worship you ask?

Why because they slaughtered The Bull of Course, and erected The Golden Calf, remember?

Do you know the Secret of The Slaughtered Apis Bull?

It will tell you the Secret of The Eye of Ra,
and The Secret of The Pyramids.

Oh, I am The Source.

Plausible.

Through the Heart, lies Truth.






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: rockessence on April 08, 2007, 03:17:24 am
Hi Riv,

What did the double falcons look like...got a link?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 08, 2007, 02:55:16 pm
The Worship of The Double Falcons was symbolized by Two Falcons above flag staffs or temple symbols,
such as we saw on The Narmer Palette also.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Fallen%20Atlantean%20Kings%20on%20Narmer%20Palette%20Riven05.jpg)

The Falcon represents the Heiroglyphic letter "A", so Two Falcons would be A.A.

A= God
A.A=Goddess
A.A = AtlAntis (AtlA)
A.A = AvilA = AfricA.

The Kingdom of Father (god) and His Wife.(goddess)

Here is a link to Francisco Raffaele's excellent Egypt site where his chronological map shows us The era of The Double Falcon Worship.

(click on the chart)

http://xoomer.alice.it/francescoraf/hesyra/dynasty0.htm

Here is another excellent view of The Double Falcons in Heiroglyphs.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Atlantis%20Heiroglyph%20Riven05.JPG)

Solon: "Tell me Uadjahor, where lies Atlantis?"

Egyptian Priest: "Solon, as the Falcon flies west, to the risen land, over the empire of lions and Kings, Avila (Africa),and further west (2nd Falc.) over the the realm of Nu (Ocean), lies a once fertile sunken (flooded) land, where knowledge and the teachings of spirituality come from."-SaJaRa-Riven 2005.aD.


Atlantis!!

See?

Now isn't that the biggest Easter Egg you found?

Happy Easter for you and your families rockessence...:)






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 08, 2007, 04:37:37 pm
Traveller; (Book of Thoth Forums)
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Ok you have made an introduction, now lets get down to it.
What is this image? What is it's source? Where is it? What does it represent? How is it relevant to your cause?
It would really help if the text was large enough for people to read. Otherwise it is just an image with silly squiggles on it.
If you could explain things a little better you would do your cause a better deal.
State your case in modern english and remember logic.
Cheers
Thanks Traveller,

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Kingdom%20of%20Atlantis%20I%20by%20Riven05.JPG)

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Alluvial%20Atlantis%20100000bC%20Riven%2005.JPG)

Maybe you could title this thread "Decoding Tribes of Atlantis" or Understanding Tribes of Atlantis, or something along those lines, Traveller. No need for 2 Tribes of Atlantis Threads here in Thoth Forums.

I apologize for I only have 15 megabytes of webspace from my ISP provider, so the pictures have to be downsized.

If you save the pictures to your hard drive, then you can zoom in for better understanding or words difficult to make out.

True, I understand that it is complicated to follow, because their are many different levels of understanding as the research progressed from some 5 years ago more or less.

It would take me a great deal of time to put everything into perspective to qualify as a scholarly thesis for everyone's approval where they all cry for sources.

For the most part, I am the Source from your knowledge bases that we can find on the internet or in books.

As I also stated, I have no means to be archaeological for lack of opportunity and of course financial reasons.

My biggest concern right now for us, is in fact preserving the true Garden of Avila (Eden), which I strongly believe in and have very valid reasons for that belief, let alone Atlantis and Atlanteans, as you know.

The Picture you asked about, Traveller, is a picture of where I believe Atlantis I or Azores Atlantis, our original middle Earth, once was, some 300 miles IN FRONT OF THE TRUE PILLARS OF HERCULES or The Straites of Gibraltar, which is the "Throat" of the Atlantic, hence the Phoenicians called those Mauritaneans, "Gualatas" or named Cadiz,Spain, Gades.

Because "Ga" means an animal body part in Phoenician, specifially "throat".

Not only a hedged fence, in meaning for Gades.

We also understand that in Critias, which translates into Latin as "Hebrew Judges", that Gadeiros, The Twin to Atlas, was also called "Eumelus", which is not only abundant in Sheep, but also abundant in, and most importantly for the Greek-Phoenico translation, 

CATTLE.

So like the meaning of "Critias" and not the original "Timaeus", we have to be careful of Byzantine, or Eastern doctrines and translations, for they also doctrined the Greek Myths which is prevailant in the myths of Phoenicia, Babylon,Sumer and Akkad also, which we should understand why as The Secret of Hesiod,Herodotus and The Persian Wars testify to.

As I also have shown we understand the terminology behind the meaning of The Slaughter of The Bull.

But let's leave all that for later, because it involves the religous aspect of this research which took a turn not of my choice, as you may or may not know, for I was looking for firstmost, my Royal Bloodlines to The Royal Crown of MN, Atlantis and Atlanteans.

Now as stated, the picture above is Atlantis Azores I, the old middle Earth before it moved East.

I try to maintain the knowledge those scholars spoke about, and the knowledge of Plato when he stated in front of the pillars also.

Those men were well educated and knew the names of the other Oceans, and in their time, Oceanus became a thing of the past also for their new understanding of better Sea Voyages and Cartographers, such as they knew the Euxine or Black Sea and The Erythranaen or Indian Ocean.

The term in front of, or Atlantic is specific to the Atlantic Ocean which could not be measured for it's great size, and the true Harbour spoken of, is in fact the mediterranean basin BEHIND the pillars of Hercules.

So it is with strong reasoning of research that the Alluvial Atlantis map portrays the lost Sub-Continental Island of Atlantis, which was the largest island as they said, some 2000 by 1000 miles in Area is my belief, or roughly 5-7 times the size of Iberia.

The image, is from a Satellite pic, where on the right side top, is Europe, (Portugal and Spain), and below is Africa and the Atlas Mountains.

When I also discovered the research and article in The New York Times ca 1979 of Professor Aksyonov and crew who claimed steps, and walls around the Amperes and Josephine Seamounts down below, this strengthened the belief of my theory also for the words of Plato preserved.

It is important for us to realize Plato only preserved the legend as passed on through his Royal Families and schools of highly initiated individuals.

Basicaly, all this information was hidden by The East and Egypt.

They knew that it would take a long time to make the world believe Atlantis and Atlanteans didn't exist, so they projected that image of a myth like they do the H-oly Bible.

Because they want to fade out their falsities and lies also.

They couldn't hide Atlanteans, but they could subjugate and did subjugate them as Egypt clearly testifies to, and over time covered up or altered the hidden truth.

So too we must be careful of Critias and not so much Timaeus.
Sort of like Alexandria and Pergamon, See?

The words of Herodotus telling us about the Atalantes or Atarantean cultures around the Atlas mountains and Lake Tritonis, the Hesperidean Cyrene regions of north west Africa, also testifies to what Plato preserved and the abundance of Atlantean cultures in Africa, not to mention they told us the Atlanteans also ruled Europe upto Tyrhennia.

Naturaly, they would tell you that because the indo-europeans had already interjected and brainwashed the Greeks, so their histories became lost ca 700 - 440 bC, as The Secret I revealed of Hesiods' 9 muses and the 9 book titles of Herodotus, which are the same, clearly tell us from my latin translation of the book titles in boustrephodon, or backwards.

No Doubt.

One very important thing I learned from playing video games of a more mature nature, like Myst, Riven, or the many Adventure Company "Puzzle" games I play for my passion of them and to immerse ourselves in different and strange worlds of visual reality, is that to solve those puzzles or games, you have to really become a part of the game as if you were really there, where everything that is seen or heard could have some hidden clue.

The same it was for Tribes of Atlantis and it's purpose to uncover everything that is seen and heard for our cultures of Antiquity.

So, the feeling I try to impose on us all, is for us to think like Atlanteans and have a better understanding of which cultures are closer to Atlantean cultures and not "Serpent Cultures" of Forked tongues and twisted religions.

Which I truly believe we will come to know as we do the truth of Atlanteans and The Garden of Avila.

Basically Traveller, the research reveals.

Not only was there Atlantis Royal City, but also that Atlantis is highly probable to have been our old name for Earth, which evolved from TA in Linear A, the true Roots of your English language and not Linear B, for it came from Linear A.

So the Atlantic received it's name from the Atlantean cultures.

pre 6482.bC: Azores Atlantis I- Mid-Atlantic - Josephine Torre Seamount

Greatest Flood Occurs finalizing the sub-continents break down.

post 6482.bC: Atlantis II - Mozambique, Africa near the Garden of Avila

3500.bC to present - Atlantis III, Tala and Al Mansura
The Lion of Tala, The Concentric "Z" apartments, Canal, Race Track, portioned lots.

Now I say this as Kingdoms of Atlantis, not specificaly Atlantis Royal City.

Last year in January, as you may know Traveller, the research took a turn from our Father's knudge on my shoulder to look on top of the Great Pyramid.

So the religious aspect arose and The True Garden disclosed, is my belief and choice of provenance.

As I also state "Seer", this is for my psychic capabilites that I have in fact witnessed, and for the Earth Readings provided and for my naturaly gifted instincts to look at certain locations.

Such as disclosing The Temple of Man some 3000 miles away from Egypt where I was researching after I discovered the missing Sphinx, you could think of as that example of instinct.

Because I pretended I was those olde Egyptian Sailors and imagined where they would land as recorded in our histories.

I don't want to disclose the Temple for now, but a good researcher could find it if they wanted to. :)

Good Research is Good Provenance.

I hope to provide us with that provenance, which I believe we do in fact have more truth than against.

Most importantly is that I really want us to know that this is not about my website, for no money I ask of thee, but of a great miracle of...

The Message for World Peace and The Truth of Our Histories.

Happy Easter Traveller, and I look forward to answering your questions as from others.

I apologize if some posts sound repititous or like "flaming", but as you can see, their other new discoverers who seek the truth also, so I have to re-expain as I do now.

For The Glory of All of Us.
Happy and Abundant Easter Baskets.

Paulo.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 09, 2007, 07:20:24 pm
Atlantean Secrets by Paulo Riven.

The True Garden of Avila in Tanzania, Africa (Avila)
http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Garden%20of%20Eden%20in%20Avila.htm

Looking at my discovery of our True Garden of Avila, for those who don't know, I updated some aspects of the website which includes a new back ground of ancient letters of our old Linear A, or evolving Azilian script or South Iberian script, emphasis on south, and if we accept these letters for their face values.

Like everything else, debateable.

Now part of the mysteries, of uncovering our true past, lies also in uncovering their true meanings which we seek to know, eventualy.

Such as the true meaning of Christian (Kristian/Xristian) or H-Oly, or our AlpHa-betH or The Bible.

That is if us Atlanteans should say Alfabeta or Xristian or Oly/Ola for "LOOK".

Gazing upon those old letters as the source reveals, for I am not the source, and don't recall at this exact time of once again forwarding messages for our Atlantean Knowledge Libraries.

I came to find some hidden understanding of hidden meanings.

As you know, and I strongly believe, for the Wisdom of The Double Falcons, that our Alphabet is comprised of A to Z.

True.

Therefore, as I have shown, the letter A to Alpha or Our Beginning, then it is with reason that we can attribute this letter to our Atlantean Father Creator.
According to our Chronicles, we would think of Him as Neptune or Evanor.
According to our Earth, or Atlantis, we know him as The Father, JA-MN.

Bear in mind, we are only in our Second Year of His Discovery and research unlike the millions of Africans, Indus, and Arabians from an estimated time of the Pyramids or roughly 3500.bC and upto some time after 600.bC.

Well, we understand why, because the Septuagint and Gnostic Gospels were in their wake of understanding around Alexander the Great or roughly 330.bC.

Then the Bible came along, and our Calendar reverted to Zero.
Big Mistake for Us All.
Because those men were not smart enough to write The True Words of The Father and His Son.
They were clever enough to proclaim their own and instill Fear of Weakness.

As I have shown, A is for The Father, A.A is for His Wife, The Mother.
Father Creates, Mother Nurtures and gives us Life, then teaches our early footsteps.

A is for Risen Origin.  A.A is for AtlA and AvilA or Atlantis and Africa.
In other words, our Double Falcon Ancestors of early Egypt and The Delta Nile ca 3250 - 3500.bC.

That is why they "CAP" you to Pharaoh Menes ca 3200.bC.

Dare I say that Menes was not a Pharaoh but a King of The Royal Crown of MN, as I also am?

Here's the point and look at the letters as my back ground picture for my Garden of Avila article.

The Letter A, or Origin, is drawn as a T, with "arms" on either side of the horizontal line.
I would imagine, like our Dragon Claw Orbis Ships, and the carving on the Gebel-el-Arak Knife ca the Double Falcon Era, that we would only have to draw a "smile", or half filling circle on top of that "T" to represent UMANS of Atlantean Kingdoms.

Now I have shown, that the letter A is as in our Alphabet, First.

What is Last?

Why the letter Z of Course, which we know is THE FALLEN LETTER at the end of our Alphabet, or in other words, THE ENDING or OMEGA.

Don't get it yet?

Remember when I said that Evil Arose out of Egypt from Khufu and Snoferu for their greatest of Sins upon us, according to my Atlantean Library?

Well, Z is for Zero or The Black Broken Oracles of The Black Blood of Brine.
Baals,Bes,Sekhmets, Hathors, Osiris,Isis,Horus, 12 Houses of David, Temple of Zolomon, 72 Clever and Persuasive "REVERTED" or bad Hebrew priests of EliZa and EleaZar who persuaded the Greek Ptolomy of God, though they knew not his True Name in The Letter of Aristeas.

Well we already know that the Greek Myths were altered by The East as was your Second Book.

The Zerpent Lands of "Z", The Gates of Hell that Alexander The Great wanted to shut forever.

But AriZtotle, had darker things on his mind, so his mind was good to find the poison for Alexander and the true intent of "cleaning up THE CATTLE.

That is the word for today and tomorrow to be very aware of-
CATTLEZ FOR Z.
For you are their Cattles as The Secret of The Apis Bull reveals to you and The Slaughter of The Bull.  Not Good.

Now LOOK or OLA at the drawing for the letter Z in old Atlantean.

That's is correct,      THE "EGYTPIAN" ANKH.

Imagine That.

No, I did not mis-spell Egytpian.

Because it makes you go PTOOEY!!

Now look at the drawing for the letter Jay.
Notice this type set makes it look like an I.
Typesets are fascinating for those German publizherz like Gutenberg of Hamburgers and Cattle.
Especially when they pump out Biblez or Hiztoriez for Moneyz.

The letter J looks like a pillar, or The Pillar of Djet, the backbone or principal of our thoughts, better known as PTAH from MIN.
Not the other way around.

For me, that also bears witness for JA.

See the letter K, it's a circle with a cross in it.
Why K is for King!!
Royal Crowns and not Pharaohs Fallen Crowns.
To Wit as Egypt lies in her DIZGRAZE.

Look at N, .111. above the I, or a Trinity such as N or water is also pure for our understanding of Neptune or Neith before she became Isis.

S is drawn by the capital Y, which we can view, like V, for WOMAN.
Hence, we know Eve's dual nature to tempt man with evil.
Though that be not true, for the Evil Sorcerer, like those magicians of pharaohs in your bible, is the one truly Responsible for Eve's temptation.

The Apple in The Tree of Knowledge was intentionaly meant for our Father to teach His Children Wisdom, it was not bad as projected into your minds.

Now look at the letter Q for Queen, like K for King.
Beautiful, Isn't it women?

An EGG perched on top of a pedestal with little arms poking out!

Isn't that something!!
Sort of like the Egg or Orbis on the back of Atlantean Dragon Claw Ships!!

And of Course, coming from a Royal Bloodline of Mn, and truly I say this unto yourselves........

The Letter M is what?

A Pyramid with outstetched arms like the AIRSHAFTS.

Two Things as a NewBorn Atlantean I will tell thee, for your safeties and preservations of purity.

Wear not a Crucifix, or Cross or Ankh.

Don't eat Cattle, drink their milk only.

You can in fact eat pork  if you must have meat, and if you are evil and must kill our Father's creations, then it is for survival, female cows ye may not eat but sustain on their milk, like goats, and make cheeses from them or your sour creams what have you.

For survival, for now until all is purified, ye may eat only of Male Bulls, and no young of any kind.

Because The Bull marked your Great Sin when once it marked Great Kings of Royal Crowns who did not slaughter them as your "CRITIAS" lies upon yourselves or your histories.

They are secrets of those Z'zzzzz.
Perhaps even GZ if you like.

And I don't like this Phoenician Word of God.

He is Father, and like His Son, you understood not when he too spoke of The Father.

But you understood all the GA-GA Bull Manure for The Barbeque Pits.
Aquarius is finaly here, thank the Father.

April 09/ 8489.aJA (2007 ptooey).

The Message is Heard.
The Atlantean Voice is Louder.

Thy Kingdom Come.
Thy Father's Will.

To Know Is Immortal.

Your King. Paulo J.Tx.Mn.
AMEN > JA-MN.
Atlantis (Eart)













Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 10, 2007, 05:03:30 am
[R]...The Garden of Evil in Kenya's Rift Valley by Paulo Riven...[R]

Who was it that tempted us into great Sins for our Histories?

Since We Know, that Evil tempted The Garden of Eden in The Bible, and the Serpent and Sorcere are present at The Garden of Avila in Tanzania, then it only goes to figure, that Evil must have been lurking nearby somewhere near The Garden of Eden or Avila.

Now the Garden of Avila, is nearer to the border of  Kenya, where the overhead image portrays the wing of the Phoenix, laying across The Border, so to injure it's wing, to say on the neighbouring land of Mr.Zero's in Kenya's Rift Valley of Volcanic and Blackened Waters.

South, the little freak of a sorcerer headed towards The Garden of Avila to tempt Eve or Aja.

To those Zero Worshippers out there, I bring you your Garden now Destroyed along with your Mr.Zero for you to witness, just as my Garden of Avila witnesses my Father and His Son that you tried to destroy to Cattle the Umans of Earth into temptations and sins of taxes and money.

Say Good-Bye to your little friend Za Ha.

Google Earth Co-Ordinates for The Garden of Evil in Kenya's Rift Valley about 266.66 miles from The Garden of Avila in Tanzania.

The Dark Seal
2/15/38/85 North  36/36/00/91 East.
Elevation 1682 feet

The Dark One with his heart ripped out, wearing his black hat.
The Brave Monk 's Face below.
Large Crater - Sealed.
1/10/43/23 North 36/16/49/93 East

The Dark One Fallen And BeHeaded.
1/57/30/93 North 36/28/27/89 East
North on Top.
Large Dark Eye (Black Circle) looks to the Head of Zero.

MT.Kilimanjaro, Tanzania.
Sorcerer of Darkness (Left Side)
Battles The Brave Angel of Light.
"Z" markings.
Red Crater just left of Main Kiliminjaro Crater.
3/02/44/57 South 37/13/42/41 East
Elevation 12,449 feet.

Right, A is Risen, Z is Fallen.

How Stupid of Me to Forget!!

Lest Ye Remember.

SaJaRa- The Royal Crown of The Double Falcon.
A.A Atlantean King Paulo J.Tx.Mn
The Seer and Royal Bloodline
Atlantis (Earth)
April 10th, 8489.aJA. (2007.aD.after Zero)

There is no other Hero Than Our Father and His Family of Good Light.

AMEN
JA-MN.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 10, 2007, 06:43:07 pm
Click on http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/the-gardens-of-good-and-evil
- or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
work.

http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven

The Garden of Evil in Kenya's Rift Valley.
The Dark Seal
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/Dark%20Seal%20Rift%20Valley.jpg?)

The Dark One Wearing his black hat with his Evil heart ripped out.
The Brave Monk below The Dark One.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/Dark%20Sorcerers%20Rift%20Valley.jpg?)

The Dark One Fallen and Beheaded as The Evil Eye gazes at him.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/Death%20of%20Darkness%20Rift%20Valley.jpg?)

The Sealed Crater just left of The Dark One in his black hat.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/rift%202.jpg?)

The Pointer to The  Evil Garden telling us to look more north along the Rift Valley.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/rift%20valley%20island%20pointer.jpg?)

The Sorcerer of Evil (Left) Battling The Angel of Good (Right) at Mt.Kilimanjaro near The Garden of Avila.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/Mt2.jpg?)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Majeston on April 10, 2007, 07:34:47 pm
Riven my friend,

you are smoking so very heavy shitttttt.

;)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: +Faith+ on April 11, 2007, 01:47:32 am
Click on http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/the-gardens-of-good-and-evil
- or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
work.

http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven

The Garden of Evil in Kenya's Rift Valley.
The Dark Seal
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/Dark%20Seal%20Rift%20Valley.jpg?)

The Dark One Wearing his black hat with his Evil heart ripped out.
The Brave Monk below The Dark One.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/Dark%20Sorcerers%20Rift%20Valley.jpg?)

The Dark One Fallen and Beheaded as The Evil Eye gazes at him.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/Death%20of%20Darkness%20Rift%20Valley.jpg?)

The Sealed Crater just left of The Dark One in his black hat.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/rift%202.jpg?)

The Pointer to The  Evil Garden telling us to look more north along the Rift Valley.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/rift%20valley%20island%20pointer.jpg?)

The Sorcerer of Evil (Left) Battling The Angel of Good (Right) at Mt.Kilimanjaro near The Garden of Avila.
(http://groups.google.com/group/tribes-of-atlantis-by-riven/web/Mt2.jpg?)



Fascinating work, Riven, by what means was all this revealed to you?
I wish that God blessed me with the vision to see what happened in the past.  I would like to know, for certain, all of life's mysteries.

God Bless,

+Faith+


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 11, 2007, 05:54:04 am
Faith asks: (Atlantis Online Forums)
Quote
Fascinating work, Riven, by what means was all this revealed to you?
I wish that God blessed me with the vision to see what happened in the past.  I would like to know, for certain, all of life's mysteries.
God Bless,
+Faith+

First of, let me protect you: .111.Faith.111.

Faith, I came to Canada but a child of 4.
I awoke to the world by looking out of a plane window over the Atlantic Ocean as I left the purified land of Victoria.
Not only as the real Queen of England, but as my birthplace, mid-Atlantic Azores Islands, as you know and of this, I can bare for all to witness as solemn truth for their it is recorded as here.
Atlantean Portuguese language encoded in my DNA.

I remember nothing of home, but a golden plain and a little "shack on the prairies", for my island of Teceira, in a re-ocurring dream I had in Canada for some 3 years, more or less until around 7-9 yrs of age.

In my dream from mnemosyne, I see myself as a standing baby in diapers holding onto chicken wire fence, and looking down at the white chickens.
I look to my right, and I see the Shack, or our homestead, on an ascending rolling plain to hill, behind her.

Standing on The Hill, IS a Black Bull, which is typical to us Portuguese or Spanish cultures, or our Atlantean ForeFathers as Timaeus tells us.

The Black Bull symbolizes a King, as you may also know of our world histories.
True Kings, never sacrificed a Bull, nor did our Atlantean ForeFathers.

Being slow, and an immigrant to english, I had few friends, besides my parents were strict but loving and followed the church every Sunday and taught me The Bible from the Catholic point of view.

So here in Canada I grew up with the pre-meditated societal infrastuctures of pyschology for their wealth of Zero which contributes to the sinful life of regrets and weaknesses for oneself to understand, why.

Naturaly, I turned to my best friend around 7 and alone.

I loved him so much that I drew a picture of him praying on the rock with his head looking up to the light.

So if I tell you that I could paint a rembrant, rubens, DaVinci, Chagall, picasso, van gogh, frazetta, Boris Alejo, Phillipe Druillet, or even a Michaelangelo, it is because His Son granted me that blessing in return at 7 years of age.

Then I served Church for some 16 years until my Father died in my arms at home at 55 when I was 22. I gave him mouth to mouth and cpr, and franticaly, I tried to carry him from the rec room to my car.

He was too heavy so I managed to lay him on the other couch.
The night before I thought he looked pail from his heart condition, and asked him if he wanted to go to the hospital around 11 that night.

He's said, " No, I'm okay"
I said " Are You sure?"
He lied and died a Hero that day.

I always remembered his words to me saying we were related to kings and queens of portugal, but I remembered not who they were, so, as you can witness from my joining Atlantis Rising Forums, some 4 or 5 years ago, so too my search for Atlantis and Atlanteans began.

The Legend of Atlantis, made me realize who I AM from her Ocean.

When I googled Azores, a few links down, was a link to Atlantis.
I too, as you, thought it a myth for Disney Movies, because we all know the power of Disney, for that too, without my knowledge or understanding, was what THE FIRST words I said in English on the airplane, as we approached Montreal and I saw the tiny roads and cars moving along over the clouds.
"Look Mom, it's Disney Land"!! Then I thought hard how I knew that but couldn't.

I believe, as you ask Faith, my means of knowledge are as you can see, Spiritual. That is where my Gift comes from, for I so loved His Son and our True Father, and I too, had many doubts of our Bible after I read it in 3 months.

For All I do other than high school, is self-taught, including finding out my Truth, thanks in part to my Earth Father, Paulo B. de Mn, for allowing me to find the truth of our Royal Bloodlines of Mn, who as I have said, are the largest and noblest houses of Kings and Spirituality for Portugal, Spain,France and Belgium.

So far, traced to a Queen Lenor of Portugal ca the 12 th century, or before Christopher Columbus.
We know of Menestheos for Europe, Minos and Mneseus for Crete, and Min, for Egypt, and all is Mnemosyne, or MN and WMN and UMN.

I believe the Royal and Spiritual Power of the Royal Crown of Mn is evident as it also was for The Double Falcon Atlanteans. (A.A) .ca 3500.bC in Africa and Arabia.

Now to further add to this mystical spirituality, I also found out that our island was regarded as a Jewel, and it was also strangely called, "Jesus Christ Island" where as you know Faith, I was born on All Saints Day, or November the First. Scorpio Rising.

To make matters even more perplexing, I have been psychic since around 9 when I first predicted while sitting in the back seat that a car was about to rearend us, so it was so.

One time standing on a street corner I watched two cars coming down two streets, instead of crossing the street, which much time I had, I had a premonition that those two cars would collide, they did, but braked enough to have "bumped" each other.

I predicted the exact day a teen friend of mine while I was young also, would have her baby girl.

I've had uncontrolled third eye visions, which I experienced that this third eye not only appears as a 1-3 second oval flash, but that it also can be projected onto a wall to allow vision.

That was also uncontrolled, and proven not once, but twice in front of 5 guests while we played cards, when I told them the color and type of pants they were wearing.

I also experienced a near death ascension, much like our Carina Nebula picture without any vision but darkness, stars and an Oval Light above me with my left arm raised. I almost died at 16 of Carbon Monoxide poisoning in our tent trailer. Below me, I saw the lost and despaired Greys reaching out for me as I ascended. Good thing I believed in The Oval Light, for here I am telling you, and trying to show you that all I say is in truth as Plato and Socrates also swore to.

Because I believed IN THEM and ATLANTIS.

I also have said, that around 16 years of age, that I experienced a natural forming vision on a paper of Evil arising in Egypt. I should of kept the paper for the image would still have been on it for the oil.

This too, was in the back of my mind when I wondered why Egypt remembered Atlantis, but all is hidden, so they thought.
As I also wondered why those monuments of Pyramids and almost out of this world relics portrayed the image of foreign or alien intervention only to find out that it too was foreign to the commonly understood Southern Egyptians who migrated from Thinis and Kum Ombo.

Remember, as a Human, I learn as you do, and what appears to the best of my knowledge, the purpose of my task has been almost completed for the benefit of World Peace and better understanding about how sinful we really are for Zero.

That is, after I realized just who I really am, and my rebirth as an Atlantean at the Age of 44, therefore, I also call myself Mr.44, as you know.

Why?

Because, as I have sworn to and provided the evidence for you, our Father knudged me on the shoulder to look on top of The Great Pyramid.

So truly I say, the Garden of Goodness in Tanzania and the Garden of Evil in Kenya, (KHEM-MET), have the same Spiritual Purposes as our Father.

Just as The Temple of The Rising Son on The Broken Altar also portrays or The Missing Lion Sphinx near the Red Pyramid, which as spoken, is the identical twin to The Great Pyramid.

That is in correctiveness, our Atlantean Pyramids.
To provenance the research, I have truly revealed the Secret of Herodotus and Hesiod which cannot be denied, for it is written in Greek Muses and in The 9 Book Titles of Herodotus, which according to Hesiod and us today, is some 2707 years ago.

The Legend of Atlantis from Egypt, came out 2577 years ago.

As you can see, the timeframe is of no relevance, but the meanings are.

I apologize that my research has taken a turn towards your religions, but they too are for a grandiose purpose of My Father in Spirituality of Uman Creation, who I have also come to know as JA-MN.

Though not all do I as yet know, for as I said, this is my mission, not either of my Fathers, be they Earth or in Spirit.

Now I tell you this, no wealth have I, but inheritance of a Kingdom that is right and truthful for the power of goodness in a true King chosen by our Spirit Father, and I swear unto you, not by me for the testimony of my face upon The Babe in your True Garden of Avila as those Satellite photos portray, for the Garden is still as you can see for thyself with your machines also if thee be not lazy and slothen.

This I say unto you, though I ask not that you believe me, but just believe IN ME and this miracle of wonderous research upon yourselves along the path of commemorative truth.

My mission I have succeeded in to know the riddles and of these, many have I shown unto yourselves, though scorned, belittled, ridiculed, and mocked by many or shut down from Zero Worshipping Forums that are recorded on the list of persecution for themselves.

Now I say unto you this, for the sanctity of your Second Book and common beliefs, which near you come but far you stray.

The Real Son of Man, died December the Tenth, Three Thousand Four Hundred and Seventy Four before The Chosen One who was altered, but His Wife was not but portrayed a Virgin and Zero to Power The Temple of Phoenicia and Egypt.

Nor was he crucified, nor laden with a Cross or murdered, this One you call Jesus Christ.

True, He was a chosen one, LIKE ME, to lead the lost to immortality through Him and His True Teachings of Goodness, for neither does our Father Command to Destroy You, nor did our Father ever Flood your Earth.

Zero Did.

Now all this talk with the Holy Grails, and Templars and DaVinci Codes sends us a very strong message, tho portrayed to disbelieve.

That Jesus and Mary Magdelaine fled to Europe towards France and had a daughter named Sara, for Sara is in meaning to "princess", etymologicaly, for also in linear A I taught you that SA means "Child" or Son or Daughter perhaps for Sera and King we know as RA, no doubt for Egypt who also said "RE".

We also know that the Phoenicians went on a rampage to the very western ends of the mediterranean.

Good thing they weren't Atlanteans, because they might have found Jesus and Mary on that Jewel in the Ocean past Saturn's Seat, where Christopher Columbus also sailed to in 1492 for the Atlantic "Blue".

Then we have to think about Apollo for our Histories and Paulo for Christianity and The Bible, or your Second Book of Conformities from mixed legends for the False Temple and Blackened Oracles of Zero like Constantine's Baachic Cries.

Let me put it to you this way, as a Catholic, you know I wore a silver crucifix for a long time.

When I discovered the truth, I ripped it off and threw it into the garbage.

Now I know the Truth because it is revealed.

To Wit the paradox of my life here on Atlantis (Earth)

My name is Paulo J. Tx .C. MN

Still don't know who I am?
Still lack in belief?
Is my Staff not long enough?

Will Ye Too Be Immortal To Know The Path?

.111.Not only as my mission, did I return our Father's Son and Reveal Our Father's True Name, but I also took Evils Son in return, and only by The Flaming Sword, can His Black Head be Severed as you can also witness in Kenya near his Pit of Cattle Herders, where they too are headed those Zeros of H-Masons and Skulls and Aries Thinkers.111.

It's not the Anti-Christ you should watch out for.....for his name was JUDAS.

It's The Good Guy.

The Purifier of The Trinity.

Because Through Me, and Our Father you will not learn Evils and Fears towards Us, nor slaughters and meanings of Cattle, nor enmity upon yourselves or slaveries of taxes and money for Zero.....

especially our Young who they prey on for they are you...

as you can see and do the wickedness of thought.

You will learn Love and come with love but not fear in your Hearts, for Our Father does not want you to Fear Him, that day comet....

But to greet Him with the Miracles inside you and know the true words of purity and compassion as He Created You.....

For The Glory of All of Us.

It is by your Glory that We Can Succeed.

Not by Money, though hard for you to understand, but if these works come to pass, then you will understand with the Tri-Caria Merit System, free healthcare and sustenance for All.

Great Minds accomplish Great Things.
Rotted Minds.......

I Give You Tomorrow in Preservation for I have Freed you of your Bonds of Sin.

.111.Zero is no More For Atlantis Eternal.111.

As I have shown you with your very own Hubble TeleScope, so Too I have Shown you with Google Earth to know and witness, that these be not words of ink or scolls of conjectures, but visions of miracles.

For We Are That Miracle, You and I.

Together We Learn.

The Message of World Peace Is Known.
The Son is Truly Risen.

Best of All, you now know The Secret of The Pyramids and The Eye of Ra which tell you about our Father, His Son and The True Gardens.

A is Risen.
Z is Fallen.

Let Our Children Laugh and Grow to be Grandparents and know not Wars and BloodShed any longer.....

Let our True Wisdoms and Religions and Good Teachings be Preserved be they what Nation, and destroy not their beliefs but preserve them with caution, for to know is immortal.

Most importantly, remember, there IS only One Father Creator for Our Galaxy....

Amen - JA-MN.

By His Spiritual Guidance, which still tingles my left hand since I discovered his name last JAnuary.....

That is The Source, for His Gifts are truly wonderous for All of Us, be they you or me.

I have Blue Blood too, as you Water Children of Atlantis.

Have Good Fun, Have Bad Fun (Cool, naughty, kinky) but be not and teach not Evil, for it will do you no goodness in remembrance upon your ascensions.

For Truly it is Rich to Be Remembered for Nobility and Compassion like The Knights Templars who discovered the truth also about the lies of Solomons temple and Constantine...

So Rich in our Father's Kingdom they became, even though those Phoenicians murdered them too.

For an act of Evil counted for mr.Zero to collect, be they wars what have you...

though no longer can he collect for he has been beheaded by the flaming sword as you can ssta see Zawi.....

Return Egypt to her rightful glory of Atlanteans and The Double Falcons, and Egypt will be Forgiven and Revived as she once was a great nation of nations to mark your histories by......

In Our Father's Land of Avila....

Lest My Father comes sooner than a midnight thief upon you....

Do you wonder about Apollo?
Perhaps Paulo J The Christ?
To Die when Due, is To Be Reborn The Dew.

Beware The Cattle Herders and H-orned Rams of Aries Herders of Forked Tongues, for they turned the letter S into a Z......

For Some still have Black Hands and Black Brothers...

Though they are without a Father and no clue for their tomorrows...

You don't have any clues in Eternal Darkness.

Wouldn't you like to appear on the Dew, again to play and enjoy Good Sex, perhaps in a different Galaxy for Uman Portals?

Choose Wisely, for Great are The Rewards We have in mind for Umans.

The Pit IS Sealed.

All Else Is Healed.

More Shall I Reveal For Your Prosperities of The Royal Crown of Mn.

The True Crown of The People.

When you Cry, Save a Tear in your Hand, Drop it into a glass of Water and Drink of it....

Thee Be Wise and Know from His Son.

So as you can see Faith, it is by our Father's understanding that I am revealed and have revealed and not only by the research which was my stepping stone or "rock of the prayer",, and for one to read our Earth as I do with pictures is easy, if you want to see, just don't overdo it and let your imagination flow...whatever image you think may be something, look closer until you see the message and look for a more definitive message with many markers and not just simple things, such as our Gardens or Carina Nebula.

It's just Earth Readings, for This Earth too was made by our Father.
He likes Drawing as do I, only His paint brush is Huge!!!

Hope this clarifies some reasoning in your doubtful minds.

Atlanteans.

SaJaRa
King of The Royal Crown of Mn.
Paulo J.Tx.C.Mn.
8489.aJa. (real time after your Great Flood of 6482.bC and The Re-Birth)
This April 11th, 2007 after Zero.


Besides, we can date JA to the building of The Pyramids, be that what be or 3500.bC to roughly the Septuagint revival.

5500 years of JA or 2000 years of Zero?













Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 12, 2007, 09:20:54 am
Take a peak: Tanzania's magnificent Mount Meru

Tanzania is famous for the much-climbed Kilimanjaro. But a less well-known and equally challenging mountain sits nearby. Kate Humble took a dizzying trek up magical, mist-covered Meru
Published: 17 March 2007

It's easy to believe that Tanzania has only one mountain. Kilimanjaro is justifiably famous: at 5,895m, it's not just the highest mountain in Africa, it is the tallest free-standing mountain in the world. Better still, apart from calling for a good level of fitness, climbing it doesn't requiremountaineering skills.

Every year, more than 25,000 Gore-Tex-clad souls trudge up the slopes of "Kili". If they make the summit and are lucky enough to get a clear view, they will see that Tanzania does, in fact, have other mountains. One of them is Mount Meru, which stands in the little-visited Arusha National Park and which I had come here to scale.

Arusha can't compete with the Serengeti on size or diversity but it is spectacularly pretty, with lakes and forests and its own mini Ngorongoro crater. There are no lion or cheetah, but there are hyena, leopard and elephant.

There has been an eight-year drought in the region, but when we visited recently the rains had finally come and the bush was lush once more

Source Article; http://travel.independent.co.uk/africa/article2364646.ece


Cuneiform> (Cunning Form)

Type Logophonetic
Genealogy Cuneiform
Location West Asia > Mesopotamia
Time ~3300 BCE to 100 CE
Direction Variable

The term "cuneiform" is very deceptive, in that it tricks people into thinking that it's some type of writing system. The truth is that cuneiform denotes not one but several kinds of writing systems, including logosyllabic, syllabic, and alphabetic scripts. In fact, "cuneiform" came from Latin cuneus, which means "wedge". Therefore, any script can be called cuneiform as long as individual signs are composed of wedges.

Many languages, including Semitic, Indo-European, and isolates, are written in cuneiform, as the following list shows:

Sumerian
Akkadian/Assyrian/Babylonian (Eastern Semitic)
Elamite
Eblaite
Hittite
Hurrian
Utartian
Ugaritic: This is actually an alphabetic system.
Old Persian: a mostly syllabic system, but there is a bit of logograms.
source article: http://www.ancientscripts.com/cuneiform.html

Chinese
Type Logographic
Genealogy Sinitic
Location East Asia > China
Time 1500 BCE to Present
Direction Top to Bottom
Chart of some chinese characters through time;
http://www.ancientscripts.com/images/chinese.gif
source article;
http://www.ancientscripts.com/chinese.html

Writing is thought to have originated around 3500 BC in Mesopotamia and perhaps originated independently in Egypt as well. The oldest scripts are known as Cuneiform in Mesopotamia and Hieroglyphic in Egypt. These writing systems had developed over time from the use of pictographs, signs and symbols. The available evidence suggests that writing might have developed in the Arabian Peninsula from the early Sinatic script around 2000 - 1500 BC.

By around 1000 BC two families of ancient writings had developed in the Arabian Peninsula. The one in the north (the North Arabic family) was called Musnad al-Shamali and the one in southern Arabia (the South Arabic family) was called Musnad al-Janubi.

Musnad al-Shamali (North Arabic) spread out around the first millennium BC through northern Arabia, and from this developed the Lihyanite, Safaitic and Aramaic writing systems, which flourished in the north of Arabia around the middle of the first millennium BC. From Aramaic Nabataean script and from Nabataean, Arabic writing developed.

Meanwhile the use of South Arabic forms of writing also expanded, and developed into the Sabaean, Qatabani, Hadrami, and Hassanean scripts.

With the rise of Islam, Arabic spread all over the region, both north and south, and the more ancient writing forms vanished. Thus none of these other writing systems has been in common use in Arabia for around 1,400 years.
source article; http://www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/preislamic.htm

Sabaean
This large pre-Islamic inscription is depicted on a rock near a well in southern Arabia and consists of ten lines. It is popularly known as "the inscription of Abraha." The inscription is still in its original location; a replica is on display in the museum.
Transliteration
b kh ya l / r h m n n / w m s ya h ha /
m l k n / a b r ha / z ya b m n / m l k / s b a / w z r ya d n / w h dh r m d t

Transcription
B'khail / ar-rahman / wmaseeha /
malikan / Abraha / Zaybm / malik /
sab'a / w zarydan / w hadarmaut

Translation
With the power (help) of god, and the Jesus (=Christian) King Abraha Zeebman (King's title), the King of Saba'a, Zuridan and Hadrmaut.

source article; http://www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean.htm

Musnad al Janubi (South Arabic)
http://www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/musnad-al-janubi.htm

------------Riven note;
It doesn't surprise me to see our writing systems dated to 3500.bC in likeness of a time when mankind became confused and built the tower of babel and spoke in forked tongues or "Serpent Languages".
Nor does it surprise me that this was also around the time of The Atlantean Battle because they murdered The Son of Man,Dec.10/3474.bC to ignite that war and abandoned God and Atlanteans who suffered the blame.

Clearly I see identifiers from our old Linear A languages more predominately in India,China and Japan and in the Older Era of Elamite,Sumerian or Proto-Sinaitic scripts that evolved into Phoenician and Cuneiform.

What else that becames apparent, is that the South Arabic script of JANUBI (Ja's Nubians) was more advanced than the north Arabic scripts who developed into those Serpent Languages such as....

Cuneiform> (Cunning Form)

Type Logophonetic
Genealogy Cuneiform
Location West Asia > Mesopotamia
Time ~3300 BCE to 100 CE
Direction Variable
Sumerian
Akkadian/Assyrian/Babylonian (Eastern Semitic)
Elamite
Eblaite
Hittite
Hurrian
Utartian
Ugaritic: This is actually an alphabetic system.
Old Persian: a mostly syllabic system, but there is a bit of logograms.

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[R]..Riven The Seer and Royal Bloodline to Atlantis..[R]


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 12, 2007, 12:03:37 pm
The Ngorongoro Crater (Garden of Avila Tanzania-Riv.)

The Ngorongoro Crater in the foreground is part of the Serengeti savanna famous for its wildlife. It is located between Lake Natron in the north and Lake Eyasi and Lake Manyara in the south. Behind Mount Meru and Mount Kilimanjaro can be seen.

http://earth.imagico.de/view.php?site=kilimanjaro

http://www.ngorongoro-crater-lodge.com/?gclid=CISktMi7vYsCFRCiQQodP0b7mg

What is the Ngorongoro Crater?

The Ngorongoro Crater is the remains of a once massive volcano, nearly three million years old, on the eastern border of the Serengeti National Park. Now collapsed and eroded to leave the world's largest unbroken caldera, it forms an extraordinarily fertile ‘bowl’ in the midst of rolling highlands, with permanent water sources and steep sides ensuring that the wildlife that thrives here has little reason to leave.

Situated in the midst of the Ngorongoro Conservation Area, a wildlife preservation area roughtly the size of Crete, the crater forms an important aspect of the northern Tanzania safari circuit.

Ngorongoro Safaris and Wildlife
The crater is the spectactular stalking ground of around 20,000 to 30,000 wild animals at any one time, the most densely packed concentration of wildlife in Africa. The crater thus holds an astonishing microcosm of East African wildlife within its boundaries, and thus has achieved renown as 'the eighth wonder of the world', and attracts a growing number of visitors each year.

In order to preserve the quality of the experience and the environment, measures have had to be taken to limit the number of people inside the crater at any one time, and safaris are now limited to one per day for each vehicle either as a morning or an afternoon trip. It remains a rewarding safari location, even when time is limited.

Ngorongoro Crater Habitats and Highlights
The Crater comprises areas of grassland, swamps, lerai forest (small patches of forest made up of yellow-barked acacia and yellow fever trees), and Lake Makat, a central soda lake filled by the Munge river.

These habitats attract all kinds of wildlife to drink, wallow, graze or hide, and although the animals are free to move in and out of this contained environment, the rich volcanic soil, lush forests and spring-fed lakes on the crater floor incline both grazers and predators to remain.

Ngorongoro Crater is one of the last remaining areas in Tanzania where you are likely to see the endangered Black Rhino: a small population is thriving in this idyllic and protected environment, and it remains one of the few areas where they continue to breed in the wild.

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Ngorongoro Conservation Area and the Crater Highlands, Northern Tanzania Safari

The abundant caldera of the Crater is the centrepiece of the Ngorongoro Conservation Area, which extends over 8,000 square km of lush, rolling highlands with smaller craters and lakes that may be explored at leisure by vehicle or on foot. This region, roughly the size of Crete, forms an important part of the northern Tanzania safari circuit.

The Ngorongoro Conservation Area is unique and important in that its aim is to preserve the wildlife and the traditional lifestyles of the tribal pastoralist people who are allowed to continue their way of life here. These are predominantly Maasai peoples, who move seasonally through the Crater Highlands and, although they may not inhabit the crater itself, they continue to take their cattle to the fertile crater floor to drink and graze.

The People of Ngorongoro

Over 40, 000 predominantly Maasai pastoralists inhabit the Ngorongoro Conservation Area, and this provides a unique African safari experience in which it is possible to witness these statuesque herdsmen wrapped in their red shuka cloth grazing their cattle alongside predators and prey. For this double consideration, the Ngorongoro Conservation Area has become a World Heritage Site and earned Biosphere Reserve status.

Nearby, to the west of the Crater in the eastern Serengeti Plains, is Olduvai Gorge, an archaeological site famous for its fascinating fossil sites, specifically the earliest known examples of bipedal footprints. This historic site is thus considered 'the cradle of mankind'.

Some map pics for Archaeologists and Geologists. :)
http://www.ntz.info/gen/n01203.html

The site of our Creation is just north of the ngorongoro crater at the region on the map called coincidently MATATA PLAIN.

TA =Earth = ATLANTIS. (A-TA-LAN)
(http://www.ntz.info/picturesbig/p03969-b00489-nca-harms99-a.jpg)

Wasn't it Disney's Lion King that used "Hakuna Matata" as the word for Love? :)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 16, 2007, 07:00:23 am
.........The Cr00KeD Veins 0f The Blackened (Khem) Bl00d 0f Brine - By Paulo Riven..................

To Address The Nations;

Know that for everything there is something,for every action a reaction, for every thought a counter thought.
So too in all of us their lies good and evil and teachers of good and teachers of evil.
In every culture, their rests the Two, The Good and The Evil.
Some Hebrews wanted to kill the Son, some did not.
Those who did not were helpless for those who did were powerfulness with armies of wickedness and governments of corrupted religions and philosophies for perversions of self righteousness and sinful lifestyles.

This is about those who are sinful and not those who are pure....

And how we too can have freedom of choice to say what is seen through the eyes of evil.
For these translations, be they evil upon you, or demeaning, know that it is to open your eyes to what may or may not be possible to explain the greatest of attrocities upon our very selves and our families.
For as I said, for every culture lies the one and the twos.
And to understand the twos, is to return to the One of Security for Eternity.

I hope to preserve your Eternities with a better sense of inner security.
And the power of Words with hidden meanings and purposes.

Though Ye May know not.

But ye will learn The Message of Carefulness as our Father Wished upon yourselves to sense dangers for he knew Evil was lurking nearby in the lands of KHEM and KHEN YA (KHEMS YA).

Peace be With you for My Father's Eternal Kingdom should ye be the wiser of Pure Light.

Follow in my footsteps through the Valley of Darkness
With your Papyrus' and Staffs of Protection.

For I Rid Thee of The Evil Two of Eternal Darkness.

Know This as The Gardens of Pure and Evil are Revealed to Witness in Tanzania and Kenya (KHEM'S YA).

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Garden%20of%20Eden%20in%20Avila.htm



Rabbi and Rabbinism  ( popes,priests,bishops,cardinals,Nuns,Sisters,Monks,Brothers,Bens,Eli's, all in the same boat of Charon )

The special condition which prevailed in Palestine after the Restoration led to the gradually increasing importance of the Temple, and of the priesthood ministering in it. The spirit of Esdras's reform outlasted the reformer and survived in the authority henceforth attached to the Law, an authority soon to overshadow the prestige of the Temple and of the priesthood itself; and tended to put into prominence the teachers and expounders of the Law, the Scribes (Sopherim).

Originally the word scribe meant "scrivener";

but rapidly it was accepted as a matter of course that the scribe who copies the Law knows the Law best, and is its most qualified expounder: accordingly the word came to mean more than it implies etymologically. Knowledge of the Law became the chief passport to fame and popularity. The earliest scribes, like Esdras, who came to be hailed as the model of the "ready scribe" (i.e. skilful) in the Law of Moses (Ezra 7:6), were priests; but in time a large body of lay teachers came to swell the ranks of the scribes. As gradually the spell of Hellenistic fashions fell upon the priesthood, the lay scribes found themselves more and more the only guardians and exponents of the Law. When the Pharisees began to be recognized as a distinct sect (about 150 B. C.) the scribes as a rule adhered to them as being the most scrupulous observers of the Law (yet Mark 2:16, Luke 5:30, and Acts 23:9, seem to imply that some scribes belonged to the party of the Sadducees). At any rate, from that time onwards the scribes were accepted as the accredited teachers of the people. Until the fall of Jerusalem they were chiefly congregated in Judea; but in later times we hear of their presence in Northern Palestine, even in Rome, and in every important centre of the Dispersion.


Hillel
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07354c.htm

A famous Jewish rabbi who lived about 70 B.C.-A.D. 10. Our only source of information concerning him is the Talmud, from which the following account of Hillel's career can be gathered. He was born in Babylonia,and was a descendent of the family of David. Although he lived in poor circumstances, his zeal for God's Law prompted him to devote himself to its study while yet in Babylon. Out of the same zeal, he went, at the age of forty it is said, to Jerusalem, where Shemaiah and Abtalion were at the time the leading teachers. In the Holy City he hired himself as a day-labourer to earn his own living and that of his family, and also to meet the expenses of receiving instruction. He thus spent the next forty years of his life, with the result that he understood, we are told, all languages, including those of the inanimate and of the brute creation, and of the demons themselves. Some time after the death of Shemaiah and Abtalion, Hillel was recognized as the best jurist of the day, and was so regarded during the last forty years of his life. He is also represented as the head of the Sanhedrin with the

title of Nasi (prince),

as the founder of a lenient school, in usual opposition to the stricter school of Shammai, as the author of seven hermeneutic rules, as the framer of certain decrees which happily accommodated some points of the Law to the changed circumstances of his age, as the ancestor of the patriarchs who stood at the head of Palestinian Judaism till about the fifth century of our era. Hillel was surnamed "the Great", and also "the Elder", and over his tomb were uttered the words "Oh the gentle! Oh the pious! Oh the disciple of Esdras!"
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Hill el > Hill of Lords > Hill of Hell > Hitler > NaZi > Nasi > Hillel
German Zionists????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

ZEAL = FOOD
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You know, words are very powerful indeed, indeed.
The PZychology is all we need.
To be HypnotiZed.

What goes forward
but also backward
and sheds no light
but only it's skin?


Ezra = Ez Ra = He's King = Eazy King = King ZEAL = Raze.

God = Go Da = Go Dar = Go Dark = Black Dog

Evil = Ev iL = EVE ILL = Live = Lie Vex = Liver

Holy = Host Lye = Host lie = Hole - Whole Lies

Heavan = Heal Van = Heave Any

Hell = He Ell = He El = Hello = Eloim = My Hole

Jesus = Jes Us = Just Us = JEZ UZ = JEWZ UZ = Us Jews who wrote your bible.

Judas = Jew Daz = Saddened JewZ of JudaZ (Zadu)

Zon = Noz = nose = knows = Zion = No Iz

Bethlehem = Bet Hole Hem = Me Hel Hate Be

Soloman = Sole of Man = nam o los = name of Lost

Abraham = A Bra of Ham = A Brazened Hamburger = ma har ba = mother harm bad

Adam = A Dam = The Damned Damaged from Adomite Steel.

Cain = Cane = Crippled = Beating = Rod

Abel = A Bel = A Baal

Seth = Set H = Set Ha = Set Hat = Set Hatred

Joseph = jo seph = jot sephalim = jot scribe = jobes scribes

Magdelaine = Mag de lai ne =Mage of Lain nex = Mage of Lame Next

Hyksos = Hyke sos = Hike Zoz = Hike ZeuZ = Zeus

Pharaoh = Pha ra oh = PTAH = Phather King o H = Father King oF Ha = Father King of Hat = Father King of Hate.

= Father King of Hykzoz = Father King of High Zeuz = Father King of Holez.


OSiris = O Sir IS = OH Zire IS = OH Father Is.

ISis = I ZIZ = I ZIZTER = I sisters = Eye of Sisters = Witches

Horus = Hor us = Horn us = Horn of Us = Hole of UZ.

Pope = Po pe = Por Pet = Poor Pets = PuppetZ.

Catholic = Cat's hole I See

Christian = Ch ris ti an = X rise ti any = Excercise to many

Muslim = Mus Lim = Must L im = Must Let Him

Islam = Is Lame = His Lamp = His Lamp = His Lamb

Protestant = Pro Test ant = For Testament = for Test and Tame.

Judaean = Ju da ean = Jus dam = Just Damn = Jews damn = ean = also or any

Anglican = Angle Wican = Angel Wican = Angel I Can

Angel = Ang el = Angry Lord

Demon = De Mon = Of Man.

DaLai Lama = Da Lai Lama = The Lain Lamb

Hate = Ha te = Har tem = Hard temp = Hard Time = Ha E = Hat El = Lords Hat = Hat Evil

Cattle = Cat tle = Cat Tale = Cat's Tail

Satan = Sat an = Sat Any = Seat Any = Seat Many

Lucifer = Luc if er = Luck if Err = Luck of Errors = Light of Darkness.

Ezekiel = Eze ki el = He's King Lord = He's King of Hell


Our modern name for the Evil word F--- comes from Khufu......... U Fuhk.


Woe is the greatness of sins for all these years upon yourselves.

PREMEDITATED.

As The Hypnotist of Psychology performed his illusions of purity.

Words are very powerful, indeed, indeed.

Linear A, will tell you the Secret of Words.

Just Add an A to every letter, all 26.

2+6 = 8 = Eternal number of Sin for the serpents to coil in the "burning bush" of ARRARAT = AR Ra RAT = ARE KINGS RATS.

The End of Times would have been 8888, today is 8489.

How Shall we ever purify ourselves to know not sin?


Why To Know of Course.

For it is immortal.

Let this be a lesson of caution amongst yourselves, be thee what religion or nation, but know, that through the eye of evil, you can surely see the meanings of powerful words.

Be they w0rds 0r ZpellZ For The Barbed Baal's Queen's pit.

Why Q is For Queen of Course.

Is not this Queen YA?

For my Father is JA.

What is it that goes forwards and yet backwards...

Why Evil of Course.

Look To The Meanings of All.

I apologize for any one who feels harmed or disgraced, or racist, but know this....


YEE TOO CAN BE SAVED.


Is not the religions of our World the same as The Tower of Babbels?

Is not the Stain to see of Egypt and Khufu who poisoned the Hyksos as Shepherd Kings and corrupted the pure Hebrews and Mesopotamia?

ME SO PO TAM IA

Me so for tame you

My soul to tame you

My Zo ul to tame you

My Zo will to tame you

My Zonz will to tame you.

My Zonz of Hell will Tame You.

With Cunning Form = Cuneiform

Why did you learn this Serpent language when your brothers and sisters in South Arabia spoke your true language?

Because Ye Too Fell into Sin as we all do.

For it is neither your fault nor ours.

But IZ EVIL ZONZ For some 5500 years from Znof Heru = Snoferu.


Is the Cr00KeD Path not straighter, I ask thee?

Will The World agree to Peace or Evils?


Shall I, being the possesser of the Keyz re open your pit in KHEM = Burnt?

.111.Eternaly Never, I Say, For What is done can never be undone here on this Earth of Atlantis.111.

Your sins are your own to Purify.

Will ye Show your Sins to My Father,when he Comet?

So he can purify you in The Good Light of The Tree?

Or shall money and taxes forever be your sins of perversions and weaknesses and hinderances of growth?


I will till the soil for you, so you can feed your family.
I aks no money, only feed my family in return.

I will build your houses for you, so you can sleep your family.
I ask no money, only build my families house in return.

I will share my wisdom with you, so you can feed your family,
I ask no money, only share your wisdom with me.

I will cure your sick, to keep your family
I ask no money, only cure my sick in return.

I will love you, so you can heal your family.
I ask no money, only love me and my family in return.


For The Sword of Truth no longer Burns.
Unto The Light I Hold The The Sword of Water.
For pure will be The Reflection and no Ripple to Topple you.
For The Glory of All of Us and Our Childrens Eternities in The Eternal Kingdom of Re-Birth.

For in The Garden of Avila, I have granted you all The Vision of Truth.

Amen JA MN.

Peace Be Yours Eternaly....
For Eternity Have We Missed You.

We of TA TREE.

And Pure Energy of All That is Good,Abundant,and Beautiful.
Only My Father can grant you Eternal Life in The Eternal Kingdom.
Only My Father can give you rebirth or your reincarnations through the Oval Lights of Wisdom and Compassion.

The Dark one could never keep a promise, could he?

Woe be unto the sellers of darkness...

for what is a hundred years on this Earth of Longevity?

A Very Short Time to preserve yourselves from Eternal Darkness.

Oh, it was a gay ol time, wasn't it?

GAY > GAI >(Gaia/Earth) > GA YA > GAD of YA > GADFLY OF YA (IO) <> Gates of HELL-EN.

BeZideZ, Ave ye een to see the suffix that .bat or .net or .ocx or .ram or Active X or Web or Net be thee codes for languages of ArieZ and The Horned Rams of Egypt and Phoenicia to FASTEN THYSELVES to the Veins of Zero on your Computer?

Come Put Errors.

Television - Tel Evi Sion / Tel AviV Zion / Tel Evils Zon
Tell The EvilZ of IZ ZON.

Music > Mu Sick > Much Sick.

Drugs > Dr ugs  DARK UGLINESS

Money > MO NEY > MOB NEED > MOBS NEED

Prostitute > Pros Tit Ute
For Tith of Uter - For Tith of Uterus - For Money of Uterus

Hood > Ho od > Hole o da > Hole of The Damned

Doctor > Do ct or Do cut More

Lawyer > La wy er Lay way er > Lay with her > lame ways err > lame ways of Error.

Banker > Bank er > Bank Errors > Ban ka er > Bank with Error
Ba nk er > Baal > naki > error(Hers). Bank Here With Errors > Bank Here with Her...Bank of Her= Elizabeth = Eliza = Razael=eleazar= World Bank = ZZ Top.

United nations
Unit ed nati ons
Unit of the Births of Nasis.

Unit of The BrotherHood.

Government

Go Ve rn me nt
God Vex ruin men nat
God Will Ruin Many Nations.

GOddog
Go dd og
Got dead ogle
Got dead eyes
Got dead Gaze
Go to the place of Og

Go to the place of Ogham.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham


As I said, His name is Father Creator- JA MN.

Our Father's name is not God,nor Lord, this Phoenician word of enmity upon yourselves, for in that name you do Evils also and have written in your book that He is Evil and Destroyed you as you yourselves destroyed His Son in False Rituals that day of Zero.

Only problem is in your Second Book, He is a She, and we understand why that is for JA is male and YA is Female as the Y clearly tells us.

LORD > LO RD > LOST ROD > RODS OF LOT.

HOST > HO ST > HOT SAT > HOT SATAN > HAT OF SATAN > HOT SEAT > HOLE OF SATAN.


Ye Who are Umans, are much, much more worthy of all this Crap.
Sad, for how much you endure and toil for the cattle farms.
Then, you have to watch your children go throught the same things.
It is not any Humans fault to Sin, as clearly you can see why and understand....

IF ye listen to the message.

The Truth?

Why, that is your choice for freedom is your greatest gift.

I am The Messenger of Truth.

Will Ye Know The Truth of The Message?

World Peace.
World Purification of Prosperity For All.

We like to have fun too.
And we love Good Sense.
It makes for a better time of understanding true Fun.

.111.Not medias of Hatred or words of Forked Serpent Tongues.
Be They They Self Condemned of Revelations.111.

Tsk Tsk.

Is my Staff yet not long enough?

Is the ancient ink visible on the scroll of Evils?
Do thee know to steer away from evils?

Will thee rid us all of Evils?
Will our Childrens Minds be Wiser To Know The Hidden Meanings?
Will they stop injecting these hidden meanings into our childrens educations and shows or music?

Will our Children Preserve Us?
Or Will They Fall Like The Last Letter of The Alphabet?

TEMPLE > TEMP LE > TEMP LES > TEMPT LESS > TEMPTATIONS OF LESSER > TEMP EL > TEMPTATIONS OF EVIL > TEMPTATIONS OF LORDS

So too did Alexander The Great Fall with His Library for Hypatia by The Philo's of Persecutions.

For did not they disguise The Father's Son's name as Philitus The Good Shepherd Upon Egypt in the time of the darkened one named Khufu who cast 150 years of evils and plagues upon Egypt from His Very own Master of KHEM, Mr.Zero?

Or Brother of No Merit?

Who was it that wore the Roman Commander's name?
Pontius Pilate?

Bridge of Piled Ruin.

To do evil is to do the opposite of good or worse than bad.
So Live is Evil also, as you simply know or God is Dog and Male is Elam.
The opposite of Boy is Girl.

Then the opposite of Man is Woman.

So too, the opposite of JA is YA.


Much like the opposite of S is Z.

The Serpent Sorcerer of No Destiny.

So to say JA, is Good, but to say YA is Evil,for we know Eve was tempted into Evel in The Garden of Creation.

For as it was not only by your ignorance of knowledge and self will that ye have fallen to temptation,
but it also was the same for Woman, for in purity, women are not Evil nor should be stereo typed as evil or bringers of evil.
Nor should they be beaten upon, nor thy father, nor they children but educated to be the wiser of evils and hidden meanings.

For Evil not only reveals itself, but also destroys itself.


So lay not blame upon yourselves, but come to terms with New Eyes of Vision and self understanding of hidden meanings.


For Truly as Socrates said, There is a Pigeon and Pigeonette.
Though ye know not to tell the difference, but one cannot be the other.

Therefore, JA cannot be YA, nor was man ever destined to be a woman.

To change a man into a woman, or to inject homosexuality into men's minds,
is the same to worship YA but not JA.

For YAOWEH WAS A WOMAN.

The Bowels of Sekhmet
The Eternal Darkness.
The Khems of Egypt
The Eliza's of Beth.

Letters Don't Lie.
Humans Do.

The H of Hyksos,Homosexuals,Harlots,Hatred,Homocide,Humility,Hunger,Hosts,Hell,Herpes,Hitlers,
He-Brews,He-Bras,Healots,Hangers,Hurt,Harm,Hiss,H-Bombs,Hallucinagens,Hankering,Hills,Homes,Holy,Humans,Hogs,Herds,Hotels
(BrotHels>Brothers Hells),Hinge,Hook,Horn,Horse,Him,Her,HAM,Hit,pHaroaH,H-Avila-H,p Hoe nicia,Hamass,Hawass,Hump,wHores,Heroin,Hydro,Human Resources,Hilton,Hughes,Hitler,(CoHen,like Albert of Sony and Borat of the stupid and sick movie that downplays America because you americans are weak for perversions,like everyone else and eager to sinful ways.)

Notice the sickest part of the movie Borat was when he was in Texas?
Ah yes, inject more disgusting and putrid homosexuality into your weak little pea brains not worthy of a woman.
Ah yes, their god YA is a woman, so by making you gay keeps you away from harming their mother of evil> ELIZA THE DARKENED VIRGIN.

Throughout the movie they portrayed america as sinful, and the jews as evil.
At the end of the movie the jews were the good guys and christianity was symbolized once again as Evil by the portrayal of people stabbing at christ on the cross with a pitcH pHork.

Borat told you he's from Russia, but he is actualy a Jew also for his last name in the shows ending titles is also Cohen.
The same can be said for the Da Vinci Code where they cleverly avoided any blame.
WiZe They Be Think TWo Be For Their Money of Og Ma GOG and GZ on The Tele V they own.

Tho Two Not Be of Zee.

I'm quite sure humans are sick of this 5500 year old broad arsed pHart of KHEM PHaraoHs with the latest style in Broad Arsed pants made by Zawi Hawass Industries and The Dark Brothers!!


And quite sick of all the corruption and destructive methadone crack music of self destruction.

Why just read the titles of the songs, ID 10 T's, and Think about it...

You'll understand the ways of premeditated Evil.

Warning, The Following movie can permanently damage your neuro cells with sick and demented suggestions of mind control and weaken your self worth, and may or may not cause you to ruin your life,families or commit suicide...
we do anticipate your young will become wHell educated in the process of this cartoon or tv series or movie.

If we cannot educate them of the ways of evil with your stereos,newspapers and tv sets, then we can just tell our Teachers in your schools to inform us and see that the Black Books are taught wHell.

If you don't listen, then we will weaken you financily by setting you up for downfalls so you fall behind on your bills in hopes of your family separating, or we'll just give you drugs and alcohol, but we will put disgusting pictures of stained teeth on your cigarette packs, rather than pictures of barf,gross car accidents, veneral diseases and such on your alcohol bottles.

Then again, how about Green Vd warts on the cover of your condom wrappers or Green Hemmerhoids for the lost black sheep of Homosexuals or whatever sick and putrid thing we can also add to your societies of corruption?

To Become Weak and Fall for Zero and The Red Lipped **** of Justice and Armies.

eh Family Guy?

JUSTICE > JUST ICE > JUST LICE > JEWS LICE > JUDAEAN LAWS > JUSTINIAN LAWS > JUST LIZA > ELIZA
POLICE MAN > PO LICE > FOR LICE > WORKERS OF LICE > FOR LIZA > FOR ELIZA


AMERICAN > AM IN ERROR OF WICANS AND SORCERERS OF BROAD ARSES AND SQUARE BLACK HOODS WHO STAND BEHIND YA'S PREZIDENT.

RABID ARE THEY FOR THE FERMAMENT OF EVILS.

ARMY > ARE MY > ARES MYTES > ARIES THE RAMS MITES > ARMIES > ARM IES > ARM DIES > ARMED LIES > ARMS OF ELI > ARMS OF ELIZA.

SOLDIER > SOL DIER > Soul Dies Here > SOLD IER > SOLD YOUR SONS LIVES TO ELIZA's ARMIES.

Their is no purpose to kill, but every purpose to reform what is Evil.

Have ye not the purpose nor will of reform?
Have thee not the knowledge to sustain and apprehend assaultants without death?

Of course ye do.

United We Stand,United we Shall never Fall again.

Teach your children hidden meanings of corruption, make them aware
and to watch carefully over their teachers.

For we know A is Risen and Z is Fallen.


.111.D0 N0t Zee n0r D0 The W0rkZ 0F EVILZ.111.

Purify Your Hearts for My Father's Eternal Kingdom,That Day Comet.

.111.Prepare Ye For The Path of My Father JA MN FOR HE IS A MAN.

For Greater Than I is Father JA MN.

Armoured Rogue Knight
The Black Dragon of Evil Slayer
Holder of The Excalibur of Avila

Miracle of Mnemosyne.

SAJARA-Paulo J.Tx.C.Mn.

The Riven of False Scrolls of Evil.
The Breaker of The Zealz of PerZecutionZ.

The Lion King
Wearer of The Ring of Truth.
Mr.44

Royal Crown of The Twin Falcons of MN.

Revealer of Revelations
Opener of The Pure Path.
Ascender of The Sun.
Keeper of The Rays.
Waterer of The Royal Garden of Avila in Tanzania.
Seed of Purity and Eternal Portals of uMaNs.
Straightener of The Crooked Path.
Preserver of The Pure Oval Light.
Throne of Our Father's Tree.
The Will of One.

Sage of MIN
Light of Pure Eternal Energy.111.

[R]...Riven The Seer and Royal Bloodline To Atlantis...[R]


Originally the word scribe meant "scrivener" in old Hebrew;

Imagine That!! Those with the cunning and persuasive words of the most clever, had prophecized me without their knowledge, but written and preserved it in their very own languages and educations. :)


.111.TWO BAAD TOZE ARZEZ OV ARIEZ ARMED BLIND TO ZEE ME OF TA TREE.111.

.111.FOR TA GLORI OF ALL OF US UMANS OF ATLANTIS.
VICTORI OF VICTORIA.111.

Defeat For Queen Eli-ZA-Beth. (lords of ZA The Fallen Son, for SA is The Risen Son...SEE????)
Perjurer of The Royal Crown.

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Eat not The Cattle To Test Your Will of Purifications.

For The Slaughter of The Bull, is The Slaughter of Your Pure Son.



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(Read the true story about the Eliza Voodoo Doll my stepdaughters Teacher gave her in 3rd grade school up here in Canada.)








Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 17, 2007, 10:53:03 pm
 ATHIRAT

 ©2004 Thalia Took, aka The Artist Formerly Known As Mary Crane.
 http://www.thaliatook.com/OGOD/athirat.html

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Athirat is the Canaanite Earth and Mother Goddess, called "Creator of the Gods", who is also known as Asherah. The God El, (the name just means "God") is Her brother and husband; She is famed for Her great wisdom and as such acts as El's counsellor. She is known for Her protective attitude and kindliness towards Her many children, and frequently persuades El to act on their behalf. She was said to be the mother of the seventy gracious Gods, as well as the Gods Ba'al and Athtar the Terrible, the King of the Earth who is perhaps a desert God, Marah, a benevolent Water-Goddess, and Anat, the Maiden Warrior Goddess. She is often confused with Ashtart (better known by Her Greek name, Astarte), as well as Anat, and the three may all represent differing aspects of the same Great Goddess.

Athirat is associated with the Tree of Life, and a famous ivory box-lid of Mycenean workmanship found at Ugarit, dating from 1300 BCE, shows Her as symbolically representing the Tree. She wears an elaborate skirt and jewelry, and though **** Her hair is delicately dressed; She is smiling, and in Her hands She holds wheat sheaves, which She offers to a pair of goats.

When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering Them up by cooking a meal for Them, He asked them to choose between being His daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk". Rohmaya is evidently a double of Athirat, and perhaps these two aspects of the Mother Goddess bear some connection to Ashtart as Goddess of Morning and Evening Stars, i.e., the planet Venus. (Shalim is considered in some lineages to be the father of Helel, the "Light Bringer", in Latin, Lucifer, the Morning Star.)

Athirat is a key player in the 14th century BCE Epic of Ba'al. In this tale, the River-God Yam has been made King of the Gods by His father El; but His rule was harsh, and the Gods begged their mother Athirat to intercede for them. She offers Herself to Yam, but Ba'al Her son will not hear of it; instead He sets out to destroy Yam Himself. After He succeeds, He laments that He has no palace, as befits a son of the Goddess Athirat. He entreats Her to get El's permission to build this house, which She successfully does. In this Epic of Ba'al it is important to note that Athirat, Ashtart and Anat are seperate and distinct Goddesses with their own roles and personalities.

Athirat is a powerful Goddess, and many times the other Gods ask for Her to help Them, or to try to influence Her husband El for Their good. As the keeper of Wisdom She is the one who chooses the successor to Aleyin (an aspect of Ba'al as the dying vegetation God), and after His death She instructs Anat in the proper ritual needed to ensure the fertility of the vines.

She is connected with the Sea, as She is said to live by its shores; and Her sons are called "the Cleavers of the Sea": She was invoked to protect sailors and sea-farers.
She shared El's temple in Ugarit (the modern Ras Shamrah) and many representations of Her are known from that site. She was considered the consort of Ba'al-Hadad in Syria and had a temple there. The Ashtoreth of the Hebrew Scriptures, worshipped along with Ba'al as a divine pair, may refer to Athirat the Mother Goddess, or to Ashtart (Astarte). There is much confusion on the subject, among both ancient and modern sources, and it's likely I'm just as confused, though I have done my best. As "Ba'al" is properly a title meaning "Lord" and was used of differing Gods depending on the location, it is quite possible that what is meant in the Bible by "Asheroth" simply refers to the local chief Goddess as the consort of Ba'al or El, which in some places would be Ashtart, in others Athirat. See Ashtart for the Biblical references.
Like Ashtart, Athirat is associated with the lion. She is generally shown as a **** Goddess with curly hair cupping Her breasts with Her hands. She is also associated with the snake, and an alternate name for Her is Chawat, which in Hebrew transliterates to "Hawah", or in English "Eve"; so She may well be the root of the Biblical Eve. Like the later Carthaginian Goddess Tanit, whose name means "Serpent Lady", Athirat was represented as a palm tree or pillar with a snake coiled around it, and the name Athirat derives from a root meaning "straight".

Atargatis of Syria is likely a late combination of or confusion with both Athirat and Ashtart/Astarte.
Alternate spellings: 'Athirat, Airat, Asherat, Asherah, Sherah. In the Ugaritic texts She is called Ashertu, and called the unfaithful wife of Elkunirsa, a forerunner of El. The Hittites knew Her as Ashertus or Asertu; to the Amorites She was Ashirta; and to the Akkadians She was Ashratum.

Titles: "Athirat-of-the-Sea", "Lady of the Sea", "Mother of the Gods", "In Wisdom the Mistress of the Gods", "Mistress in Wisdom", "Lady Who Treads Upon the Sea"; Elat or Elath, "Goddess" (this likely makes Her related to the Arabian Goddess Al-Lat); Labi'atu, "the Lion Lady"; Dat ba'thani, "Lady of the Serpent"; Rabat Chawat 'Elat, "Great Lady Eve the Goddess"; Qadshu or Qadesh, "Holy" is a title used of Her as well as Anat. In the Sinai She was given the epithet "Lady of Turquoise", and the Egyptians equated Her with their Hathor.


-CAT OF TWO TAILS-SEKHMET-...Riven.




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 18, 2007, 03:31:23 pm
posted 04-18-2007 02:58 PM04-18-2007 01:58 PM     

In response to Spain’s Georgeos Montexano’s  theory of 9000 years as 1009 years before 570.bC, Atlantis Rising Forums

After the Sant Orini and Mt.Aetna event ca 1625.bC, the Cycladic Circus switched tents.
As it also was for the eastern delta Nile and Tanis.

The HykZOZ, were on the rampage and messed up a lot of histories, including Greeces,Phoenicias and Egypts, for they themselves considered their merit to be also of Egyptians and maintained a CO-EXISTENCE OF PANTHEONS AROUND THE EASTERN MEDITERRANEANS.

H-ENCE THE LETTER H.
Which stands for H-eavan and H-ELL, as you know or their claims of the Holy sHepHerd Kings..sheep herders, which in truth they were goat herders or caTTle herders for they worshipped THE HORNED ZEUS AMMON, which tells you of their integration with Egypt and the miracle of THE TRUE ORACLE OF AMMON in Libya where Alexander The Great visited, and with very good reason may I add, for he seeked to shut the Gates of Hell, something I have done for him in return,personaly and the evidence can be read and verified to the Cat of Two Tails, SekHmet and AtHirat.

Or The Path of The Serpents from KHEM to pHoenicia from the pHaroaHs.

Linear A, had 12 letters and 5 vowels, 14 came after which they altered it to Linear Ba-al.

So too they altered your very own Histories all the way to Carthage and Gades, as you have witnessed from your studies.

The Atheneans, according to our histories, claim foundation around 1450.bC where the hidden message is that they weren't really in agreement with this CECROPS as their True King, nor Cadmus or any HELL ENIZED Persio-Assyrian who came through... tHracia or THRASHia.

For their hidden secret of meaning barbarian foreigners,like the small chick also was for Egyptians, was to use the word SERPENT.

And with very good reason they say that Cecrops or ZeKHropZ, was HALF MAN AND HALF SERPENT.

sHortly after, Greece plunged into her Dark Ages and we can understand the real truth behind the purpose of THE TROJAN WAR....

To reclaim what was righfuly theirs.

So like Hera, and THE KRITIAZ, those Kings names are mentioned who ARE NOT MENTIONED in THE TIMAEUS.

In truth Erichthonios and those other 2 kings of like names are really HERIKTHONIOZ kings from THE HELLENNIC CONVERSION OF BRAZEN WARRIORS with THOU SHALT BE TO DEATH on their lips and daggers.

Most importantly, as we always must look to the hidden MEANINGS of the preserved legend, we understand that the Egyptian Priest clearly said that Athens was founded 1000 years before Egypt.

In the aspect of Athens recorded histories, is to day around the 2500.bC for Egypt, or to say mistakenly 100 years, would mean 1550 for Egypts foundation.

Naturaly, like Critias, this is Absurd for we also know of many wars BEFORE the founding of Athens and 1450.bC like the Elysian Wars or The Battle of Ares with the Etruscans who called themselves Olympians or Holympians if you like.

The purpose of Critias was also to INTEGRATE the true histories for themselves and the writings of Pergamon, which in truth we know because...

the ID 10 T's said THAT ZEUS WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ATLANTIS.

Given that facts have yet to be confirmed, we can view this as the Hyksos takeover of THE EGYPTIAN DELTA NILE or even the Cycladic Circus.

To say this, for Egypt, and to witness my LION OF TALA upon her, and the exact likeness of the concentric "Z" apartments, the canal and racetrack still visible there, is the very same to say that for the time you gentlemen speak of, or this 1009 years, is to say that TALA was ATALANTIS for THE MODERN WORLD.

But not the Ancient World, for we all are Atlanteans, for My Father also IS.

AND ATLANTEANS NEVER INVADED ANYONE, but only DEFENDED what was rightfully theirs as it also is by the WILL of MY FATHER, rightfully Mine.

You do recall, as it is also arising today for these great works upon thy selves, that in the legend of Atlantis in Timaeus.......

A sudden silence was felt around the then know world of 3.

We know why that Silence was felt by All.

December 10th,3474.bC at 8:08am in Egypt.

You have to be a true Atlantean to know this.

A name with my Father's meaning as given to me at birth on an island that was much sought out for by the Spaniards, Europeans and Persians for it's wealth.

For all countries brought that wealth to us before and around Columbus even from as far away as Peru as your legend of Atlantis also says of Atlantis.

When you understand meaning, then you understand Time.

When you understand time then you will come to know why those Sailors around the time of Colombus and nations from many countries brought their wealth to us....

For they called my birthplace of VICTORIA, the rightful name for England also...

JESUS ChRIST Island.

For My Brother's name was also Jesus The Christ as my birth initials bear witness of meaning.

Their is a kind of silence going on right now.

Today.

As I am for my Cup of Blood.

With Love
P.J.T.C.MN.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: julia on April 18, 2007, 07:54:55 pm
Dear Mr Riven:
O yes, long live the ATlantean King riven, down with jews, all other lesser races..And eligions..Long lIve Rivens kingdom of hitlertis pardon Atlantis.. :D ::) ;D
Do you belive in all thoese ridilculous things that you wrote??by the way, I dont like Borat eirther.he makes fun of all Kozak nation.And everybody laughs..but, i am sorry..I can not belive your stories either
A proverb from my country:
If only you are aware of who you are, what the other people thinks is not importsat.
I salute you with Love and Peace!


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Tom Hebert on April 18, 2007, 08:05:17 pm
Hi Paulo,

I'm afraid you're preaching to the choir.  As far a I know, our Spanish friend is the only one who insists that when Plato said 9000, he really meant 1009.  We could make better use of our time discussing the theory that Atlantis was on Mars.   :)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 19, 2007, 08:08:22 am
Julia,

As I said, for every culture there are two of a kind, the good and bad, so yes down with the bad people, or organizers of evil on our earth. There are good jews also, some of them fled to my hometown on the Azores where we protected them and aided in their growth like the flemmings or all the other nations who visited us and brought us their wealth, even from  Peru, China or India.

This is not about Jews, Hebrews, Anatolians, or any culture for the matter, just about the ones responsible for sin and the families of Dark Princes and Princesses.

You can say what you want, but as I also clarified, evil came from Kenya and into Egypt where it was spread by Snoferu and Khufu and the worship of Hathor and Sekhmet.

This Sekhmet was altered into Athirat for Babylon and Phonecia and all the Baal lords, as El also was.
Athirat was a prostitute who slept with El, her own brother and offered herself to Yam, while Baal, the dark prince controlled her.

Basicaly, YAOWEH means, A an impregnated woman, (V with a **** in her as in Y),from a father of Og, who gave birth to El and nurtured him, (W= breasts for El) in Hell, as the letters seem to spell out in meaning. Gog and Magog, like Sodom and Gommorha, were sinful places.

Which passed on to the Wicked Queen, Eliza, and her son Eleazar.

The writing is in stone as is Hillel, the nasi's and the sadduccees.
Just as the writing is in stone for Zeus and The Hyksos.
The Egyptian Flag also has the Iron Eagle(wings down) like the German Flag.(wings out)
The letter Z is drawn as an Ankh Symbol for Linear A.
Z is the Fallen Letter.

Baal's are simply alternative Gods to our True Father...though you know him not for the curse of Eliza upon you....

Anything opposite to the True Father, is in FACT evil.

Can your God's show me their natural image on our Earth creating us in The True Garden and their name on top of the great pyramid and inside?

Can your God's show me their true Garden of Eden?
Can your God's go back to 6000.bC?

2300.bC was roughly the epic of Gilgamesh and his flood story and Sumer which fades around 4000.bC.

Ours is 6482.bC. to the Great Flood, but Father was here before that, which we do also know.

Can your God's back up their names by displaying them on this Earth?
No, they cannot because their is only ONE true Father.
And you don't need 72 idiots who can't even say his name in front of a king when questioned...
but like you Julia, they can say the false name of .........GOD.

The freaking jews didn't even become noticed until roughly 1300.bC.

So why would God come from them and have a womans name to boot?

Ya is a woman's name, and evil tempted a woman, but a lie is opposite of truth, so you believe the Cat of Two Tales lie by the Dark Prince that Ya was a man.

So he can take your souls as he did those 72 black square heads of the 12 Tribes of David, which is where this evil Hillel character comes from in Babylon.

To further prove to you that YA was a woman of ill repute, just look at the name YAOWEH.
The Y is a symbol for Woman,like V. The W, is M or man upside down, or inverted mountains or BARED BREASTS, hence another symbol for Woman.
AO, meaning Woman came OUT of MAN, A=God or Man.

The H comes from Heavan and Hell, which is all part of Satans great lie upon you.
There was no letter H in our older Linear A, it is a Ba al letter as you will see.

So too, the H tempted Yaoweh, to place itself as a tail on the end.
A Black Cat's tail as the evidence clearly reveals.
It has nothing to do with prejudice, but everything to do with facts.

Don't worry Julia, The left over followers of Evil will be howling for a long time just as you do now..

For their Dark Prince has been beheaded and behearted by me and my Father.

The Evidence you can see for yourself in the Garden of Evil in Kenya where upside down trees grow and animals of a different nature.

You know, where the Rothschilds Manor is also in Kenya.
Good place for Steven King to film a movie if you get my drift.

You could learn something from watching Al Pacino in "Devil's Advocate", and how rich corporations and the brotherhood of evil who also stage the wars along with Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Iraq, and the next plan for Korea and Vietnam like the good ol days when they need another diversionary tactic.

Just like their secret plots in revelations says in the bible for world domination.
It is us they want to end and have their own kind like Hitler, the German Nasi Jew also wanted.
Find a target, blow a hole, and move in the evil sons to run governments and businesses.

I do hope you understand where I am coming from Julia.
Don't take it personal, but I feel quite confident you will see the light someday.

thankyou.







Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 19, 2007, 08:21:10 am
Thanks Tom;

Actualy, I'm conducting the Choir you can say.

Like everything else Tom, much new writings are in store for mankind as the evidence unfolds.

Sometimes I think Georgeos is relying on Tarot card readins from Maria, for the intelligence he portrays for having studied atlantis for some 15 years.

He hasn't even realized the Critias is an altered account like the bible, and is fixated by Cecrops and the Hellenized greeks and 1009 years before.

Nor does he realize Tala and Mansura is an Atlantean city upon the Delta Nile that one can even see the exact likeness of Critias' "modern description" of Atlantis with the Concentric "Z" apartments,canal,oval race track and portioned lots.

To boot, the faded image of my Lion of Tala of immense proportions,(2stadiums by 3 stadiums) is still visible for all to see!

He's fixated on Spain as Atlantis, but like the wealth of my island which was brought to us from all countries far and wide, and much sought after by those greedy Spaniards, he wants to claim Atlantis for himself and his nation also!!

He can't, because Atlantean cities were world wide, and more than one city, but many, had the concentric circles like Bur At Alitan in Egypt also or Santander in Norther Iberia in the Pyrannees mountain range.

So, as you can find one city and say it is Atlantis, so too can you find another, perhaps even older, for the chronologies still await their logging in the new book.

2 I am certain are disclosed, Tala and my other location in Mozambique with the 55 foot circular wall imprint still visible.

Azores Atlantis I, is more difficult for the water and money.
Maybe he'll smarten up, drop the tarot cards, and take a trip to Tala to see for himself. :)









Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 19, 2007, 08:21:40 am

[R]...The Secret Message of Linear A Letters by Paulo Riven...[R]


Linear A, our true heritage language of first speaking when we said,"da da" or "ma ma", as your children still do, is one of the most miraculous works of our Father Creator, JA MN. Though you don't fully understand why he is our True Father Creator yet for alterations of your histories 2400 years ago.

In it's simplicity of complexity, we only have to do what it says and talk like a baby. :)

Just add the "Uman Standing Confident" letter A to every letter to speak.

The Linear A alphabet had 12 letters,d-j-k-m-n-p-q-r-s-t-w-z
 and 5 vowels,A-e-i-o-u.

If you link to my Garden of Avila page, you can see the drawings of the letters in old Linear A.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Garden%20of%20Eden%20in%20Avila.htm

Aa - Air,Origin,Father,Mother(god/goddess)
...No letter B for "Bad" yet...hmmm
Ca (ka) is here or came in, so casa is also house, or house of children,
Da - Da Pa Pa can be Father or Ma for MAn or Mater(mother)
Ea - can be also,and, or many,and from,in the air
(no F,G,or especially "H")
Ia, Sacred,with Father,beside, along with, and also with
Ja -is like "yes I know, so to it is to know JA for Knowledge,
or it can also be used for "right now!" as in Atlantean Portuguese.
Ka - with, guard of Father,knight,soul,(King).

(no letter L for Atlantis, so ATA / ATAN / ATANA / ATANTA / ATANTE or ATANTEN (ATATENEN)
(compare TATENEN-Risen Land,Egypt >TA >earth)


Na is purified,exhalted,praised,water,sacred,above,in the air
Pa is Father or GrandParent,or for (por favor) Father, for something, or plant seed
Qa is where,what, with, with father the seed was planted with woman (Queen)
Ra is for Royal Father's Son,raise,rise up,go forth
Sa is male child, Se is female,knowledgable children, have knowledge,know.
Ta is Earth
Ua is OF The Air, from above,Us of Father (UMANS),and you,all of you Atlanteans,who is :)
Wa is what?,water,water of Mother(upside down M) Woman,cry.
Za is the N on it's side,(toppled purity) sin, bad, don't do! No! (for sinners it would mean "Yes")



[R]...FATHER JA-MN'S SECRET MESSAGE IN LINEAR A BY PAULO RIVEN...[R]

..."THE CARINA NEBULA STARSHIP LOG BOOK DESTINATION ATLANTIS EARTH"...


Linear A symbols:
http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Garden%20of%20Eden%20in%20Avila.htm

So to, our Father comes from beyond...Carina Nebula.
I definitely know our Father landed here on Atlantis Earth.(TA)
This strengthens that belief also for the letter symbols by themselves,like my Gardens of Goodness and Evilness,
tell an even older legend,and our 10 fingers and toes.:)

The letter A, or a 'T' with arms mid center of the top line on either side,
looks like a StarTrek Spaceship Symbol. The Voyage of Father to Earth.
The D looks like the landing port, or "here we stand".
E look like a powered Station.
I is the flag of Neptune's Trident planted on Atlantis Earth.(further proof we are Atlantean)
O is construction of buildings
J is next for The Father, djet or JA.
K is for the Knight guards the Kingdom (cross INSIDE of a Circle.)
M is for the building of The Pyramids with outstetched arms for growth,(airshafts)
N is for the blessing of Earth and the Waters upon Earth
P is for the prosperity of Earth and growth of trees and plants
Q is for the Seeding of The Earth with a Uman by a Woman (Queen Mage)
R is for a Royal Prince, King's Son is created (JASA)
S is for a Boy Child in a Woman (Y symbol for SA-boy,SE-girl)
T is for TA or Earth, so to the "Clamped" C symbol positions the Earth in our Fathers Universe.
U is for undoing by Evil drawn as an upside down cross on a curved east pole.
W is for return to the "Ark", board the ship with the ladder,depart,went away,cry,wa.
Z is for Zin or Sin,Last letter,FALLEN,Fallen of Father,THE FALLEN SON,DARK PRINCE.
"...DRAWN BY THE EGYPTIAN ANKH SYMBOL..."
(cross with a circle on top to mean never ending,continuous paradox, evil-8=888=8888 Finale.)


Imagine That!

Reporting Live From Atlantis Earth,
The Father's Chosen Atlantean, King Paulo J.Tx.C.Mn, April 18th,8489.aJA-(2007.ad.)


To Know Is Immortal.


Father's letters;
a,d,e,i,j,k,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,z.

Baals letters;
c,b,f,g,h,l,v,x,y.






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: julia on April 19, 2007, 09:45:49 am
Mr.Riven:
I dont believe any of nonsense that you put here In the name of Atlantis whatever..I am a science woman, so, these nonsensethings doesnt mean to me anything.
by the way, I am not a jew, i was borne as orthodox christian, I dont belive any of the particular religion, I belie ???ve in GOD!!!
And as you so hatefully put, I am not a follower of devil, I am really a very good woman Who sacrificed her life for her children and her family.Let me tell you something,I slept only with one man until now, and this is my husband, how did I follow the devil??I think what devil is described It is YOU!!
You just undermine and put down here some people(obviously you think blacks are devil so, devil came from Kenya),Even if I am european and Not black or jew , I am going to fight with you in every step..you are creating a ridiculous story in the name of ATlantis, You put the faces of the God in Africa(I think God is an energy has no face whatsoever, ) I consider this A BIG SIN!!
You go ahead and write some science fiction book about Atlantis, or Poseidons adventures or hades or hell what so ever,and go ahead and make allience with Hitler, Saddam , Stalin or Milosevich But, please stay away from Peaceful and Nurturing and good woman like me..Go To Hell! ???
 ??? ::) >:(


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: julia on April 19, 2007, 09:51:44 am
and, By the way Mr.riven, My God goes not 6000 or 60000, or 6 million BC, My God goes beyond the Time, beyond the Places, he is everywhere, everytime and  sees everything hears everything..And he doent put his face on the stones..Ok?? :-\


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Majeston on April 19, 2007, 12:37:37 pm
The Names of God


 The early Semites regarded everything as being indwelt by a spirit. There were spirits of the animal and vegetable worlds; annual spirits, the lord of progeny; spirits of fire, water, and air; a veritable pantheon of spirits to be feared and worshiped. And the teaching of Melchizedek regarding a Universal Creator never fully destroyed the belief in these subordinate spirits or nature gods.

The progress of the Hebrews from polytheism through henotheism to monotheism was not an unbroken and continuous conceptual development. They experienced many retrogressions in the evolution of their Deity concepts, while during any one epoch there existed varying ideas of God among different groups of Semite believers. From time to time numerous terms were applied to their concepts of God, and in order to prevent confusion these various Deity titles will be defined as they pertain to the evolution of Jewish theology:


 Yahweh was the god of the southern Palestinian tribes, who associated this concept of deity with Mount Horeb, the Sinai volcano. Yahweh was merely one of the hundreds and thousands of nature gods which held the attention and claimed the worship of the Semitic tribes and peoples.


 El Elyon. For centuries after Melchizedek's sojourn at Salem his doctrine of Deity persisted in various versions but was generally connoted by the term El Elyon, the Most High God of heaven. Many Semites, including the immediate descendants of Abraham, at various times worshiped both Yahweh and El Elyon.


 El Shaddai. It is difficult to explain what El Shaddai stood for. This idea of God was a composite derived from the teachings of Amenemope's Book of Wisdom modified by Ikhnaton's doctrine of Aton and further influenced by Melchizedek's teachings embodied in the concept of El Elyon. But as the concept of El Shaddai permeated the Hebrew mind, it became thoroughly colored with the Yahweh beliefs of the desert.

One of the dominant ideas of the religion of this era was the Egyptian concept of divine Providence, the teaching that material prosperity was a reward for serving El Shaddai.


 El. Amid all this confusion of terminology and haziness of concept, many devout believers sincerely endeavored to worship all of these evolving ideas of divinity, and there grew up the practice of referring to this composite Deity as El. And this term included still other of the Bedouin nature gods.


Elohim. In Kish and Ur there long persisted Sumerian-Chaldean groups who taught a three-in-one God concept founded on the traditions of the days of Adam and Melchizedek. This doctrine was carried to Egypt, where this Trinity was worshiped under the name of Elohim, or in the singular as Eloah. The philosophic circles of Egypt and later Alexandrian teachers of Hebraic extraction taught this unity of pluralistic Gods, and many of Moses' advisers at the time of the exodus believed in this Trinity. But the concept of the trinitarian Elohim never became a real part of Hebrew theology until after they had come under the political influence of the Babylonians.


Sundry names. The Semites disliked to speak the name of their Deity, and they therefore resorted to numerous appellations from time to time, such as: The Spirit of God, The Lord, The Angel of the Lord, The Almighty, The Holy One, The Most High, Adonai, The Ancient of Days, The Lord God of Israel, The Creator of Heaven and Earth, Kyrios, Jah, The Lord of Hosts, and The Father in Heaven.


Jehovah is a term which in recent times has been employed to designate the completed concept of Yahweh which finally evolved in the long Hebrew experience. But the name Jehovah did not come into use until fifteen hundred years after the times of Jesus.


 Up to about 2000 B.C., Mount Sinai was intermittently active as a volcano, occasional eruptions occurring as late as the time of the sojourn of the Israelites in this region. The fire and smoke, together with the thunderous detonations associated with the eruptions of this volcanic mountain, all impressed and awed the Bedouins of the surrounding regions and caused them greatly to fear Yahweh. This spirit of Mount Horeb later became the god of the Hebrew Semites, and they eventually believed him to be supreme over all other gods.

The Canaanites had long revered Yahweh, and although many of the Kenites believed more or less in El Elyon, the supergod of the Salem religion, a majority of the Canaanites held loosely to the worship of the old tribal deities. They were hardly willing to abandon their national deities in favor of an international, not to say an interplanetary, God. They were not universal-deity minded, and therefore these tribes continued to worship their tribal deities, including Yahweh and the silver and golden calves which symbolized the Bedouin herders' concept of the spirit of the Sinai volcano.

The Syrians, while worshiping their gods, also believed in Yahweh of the Hebrews, for their prophets said to the Syrian king: "Their gods are gods of the hills; therefore they were stronger than we; but let us fight against them on the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they."

As man advances in culture, the lesser gods are subordinated to a supreme deity; the great Jove persists only as an exclamation. The monotheists keep their subordinate gods as spirits, demons, fates, Nereids, fairies, brownies, dwarfs, banshees, and the evil eye. The Hebrews passed through henotheism and long believed in the existence of gods other than Yahweh, but they increasingly held that these foreign deities were subordinate to Yahweh. They conceded the actuality of Chemosh, god of the Amorites, but maintained that he was subordinate to Yahweh.

The idea of Yahweh has undergone the most extensive development of all the mortal theories of God. Its progressive evolution can only be compared with the metamorphosis of the Buddha concept in Asia, which in the end led to the concept of the Universal Absolute even as the Yahweh concept finally led to the idea of the Universal Father. But as a matter of historic fact, it should be understood that, while the Jews thus changed their views of Deity from the tribal god of Mount Horeb to the loving and merciful Creator Father of later times, they did not change his name; they continued all the way along to call this evolving concept of Deity, Yahweh.


>>>>

1:1.3
When you have once become truly  God -conscious, after you really discover the majestic Creator and begin to experience the realization of the indwelling presence of the divine controller, then, in accordance with your enlightenment and in accordance with the manner and method by which the divine Sons reveal  God , you will find a  name  for the Universal Father which will be adequately expressive of your concept of the First Great Source and Center. And so, on different worlds and in various universes, the Creator becomes known by numerous appellations, in spirit of relationship all meaning the same but, in words and symbols, each  name  standing for the degree, the depth, of his enthronement in the hearts of his creatures of any given realm.

1:1.4
Near the center of the universe of universes, the Universal Father is generally known by  names  which may be regarded as meaning the First Source. Farther out in the universes of space, the terms employed to designate the Universal Father more often mean the Universal Center. Still farther out in the starry creation, he is known, as on the headquarters world of your local universe, as the First Creative Source and Divine Center. In one near-by constellation  God  is called the Father of Universes. In another, the Infinite Upholder, and to the east, the Divine Controller. He has also been designated the Father of Lights, the Gift of Life, and the All-powerful One.

1:1.5
On those worlds where a Paradise Son has lived a bestowal life,  God  is generally known by some  name  indicative of personal relationship, tender affection, and fatherly devotion. On your constellation headquarters  God  is referred to as the Universal Father, and on different planets in your local system of inhabited worlds he is variously known as the Father of Fathers, the Paradise Father, the Havona Father, and the Spirit Father. Those who know  God  through the revelations of the bestowals of the Paradise Sons, eventually yield to the sentimental appeal of the touching relationship of the creature-Creator association and refer to  God  as "our Father."

1:1.6
On a planet of sex creatures, in a world where the impulses of parental emotion are inherent in the hearts of its intelligent beings, the term Father becomes a very expressive and appropriate  name  for the eternal  God . He is best known, most universally acknowledged, on your planet, Urantia, by the  name   God . The  name  he is given is of little importance; the significant thing is that you should know him and aspire to be like him. Your prophets of old truly called him "the everlasting  God " and referred to him as the one who "inhabits eternity."


http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p001.htm


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: julia on April 19, 2007, 03:50:53 pm
Dear majeston;
for me there is only one God..And he(or she,or it) is universal, can see everything. can hear everything, knows everything. was always there and will be there until eternity..this is my God.i dont care aboy elohims, yahwehs , jesuses whatever..I have respect for the other belivers, but, i am aginst to discuss like a church Quire in here..Suppose to be a scienetific discussion about AToantis , I cant find it nowhere..
Mr riven makes only commercial for christianity..


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Majeston on April 19, 2007, 06:17:19 pm
Julia,

I posted that for a specific reason.  ®iven should understand why.

Did you even bother to read it and understand it?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 19, 2007, 06:32:45 pm
Julia, you are quite mistaken, and I apologize for your mis-understanding.

I do believe in good deeds and to reward those good deeds on the scale of truth.

So if you feel you have done more good than bad, that is your truth, and never the less, a good grace for God in your vision of understanding.

What you really and truly need to understand is the word God, which is False.

For he is The Father Creator and no other name other than his true name, which I am trying to show you not only by his wisdom, but also by the research and actual untouched photos by the secret of his miracles.

Do you know of anyone else who has seen The Father's name on top of The Great Pyramid, tho there be some 6 billion of us and half with computers and access to Google Earth or The Hubble Space Telescope?

Many have Seen but do not See, Hear but do not Hear,Speak but do not Speak.

What you are saying is that same thing that darkness wants you to say as it also binded H to Hell and Heavan....Vanity and Ignorance of Truth.

Yes, ye have meanings of truth, Julia, and feel right in your truths, and I say ye are a good woman as ye say.....

But you Falter in Knowing The Truth and lash out with resentment, another sign of the immaturity of sin, rather than to ask with curiosity.

Soon you will call me all sorts of nasty names and cast darts with no sharpened points at me.

Because you are afraid of Truth, yet so proclaim it to hide.

Ye nor anyone can hide. All is Revealed and Will Come to Be Revealed, not only by me, but by our True Father also.

For as I said, I do not claim self purity, and admit that I too was once a Sinner and T-emp-T-ed like the other Ca TT les of H-orns.

Neither is it Heavan but, The Eternal Kingdom of The Oval Light.

Of this, ye will know upon your ascension, that day comes, I swear unto you, unless your eyes are darkened and fear the light to join the endless Greys of TormenT upon this Earth....your Ghosts or Darkened Spirits of unseen Forces lost to eternal Darkness for fear of the light.

Nor is it Heart, but Corecon or CoreSon or CORE OF THE SON that beats within your gift of eternal perpetuaty, your life force or Alkaline Battery, your Soul, which gives you feelings and power to fuel your memories and thoughts from The Father.

Not this word GOD, for ye have Sinned in this name and many have ye called by this name.

Which backwards is DOG.

Neither do I glorify in vanity my Atlantean Portuguese people and claim that our Father came from Portugal, but Africa as it is true to witness by me and by your Scientists of Archaeology and DNA research which ye cannot deny.

And The Greatest Miracle is for us To Know The Father, and to be able to witness with our very own eyes and not tainted scrolls of faded ink or altered Heiroglyphs upon the Temples of Persecutions.

Neither do I speak of Today, but of a time you forgot, for after Alexander The Great, ca 332.BC, The Second Book of Baal and DRUNKEN BACTRIAN WINES OF PERVERSIVE ORGIES was written to tell you The Greatest of Lies.....

For tell me, where are the names of the American Indians or South Americans other than to say races of a different color as they also say a God of No OneZ name...but a God of many different names for many different cultures of only one Father's Creation, and nary a Two.

For the Creations of Two are The Evils upon you as they also became for our Earth and The Animal Kingdoms as well.

Your Baal book has succeeded for the past 2000 years, for 20,000 years they said in your Baal book, (which Persians and Arabians like to add many Zeros to their numbers), that Evil would be let loose, and then after would be shut up in the pit of Hell.

He has been Shut Up Eternaly, by Me.

As I will also Shut up The Whores of Eliza to not destroy your daughters thoughts any more, or FLATTEN THE HILL OF EL so EL can return to his White Cloth as your Lord, and riven his clothe of BLACK..

For Black is The opposite of White, not Black people are condemned, for they too paint their stones white and border their houses and gardens in Africa, those of the Ones.

Those of The Twos make VooDoo Dolls, for they know why some trees grow uside down in Africa and the Desert bears witness of The Burnt Lands of Phaestos who rode the Chariot of Fire.

Pray, Julia, Ye do not find such a Voodoo doll as Eliza in your home, for the power you and your families would surely know and wish to be the wiser of knowing the signs as I and my Family have witnessed.

Surely as Ye claim and know goodness, then Ye must also know the works of Evil.

Unless Ye claim falsely in your replies.....

So, as it is also written in our records which you can research for yourself...

The Father JA was the most widely and accepted Father for Africa and India and Europe because it is written in Linear A, the Core of our speaking, NOT OF Forked Tongues like CuneiForm.

From The Time The Pyramids were built,verified, until roughly after 600.bC, when the Spells of The Holy Bible and those clothed in the Blackness of Heavan and Hell was being written, and as you can see, has binded people around the world for some 20,000 years of His Evil Reign, or 2000 years from ZERO TO YOUR CALENDARS.

I have also proven that JANUBIAN or JA's Nubians who ventured out of Africa into Arabia, spoke the truer ADVANCED languages which changed into CuneiForm when they went North to Persia and Babylon.

Since you believe in the Holy Book, which I too know and have read the entire book in 3 months,old and new, then you also know that this one you call by the False name of GOD, said that the Forked Tongue of The Tower of Babel had been built to confuse languages.

He is telling you that Evil came upon the Earth and altered his Creations, both Animals and Umans.

There fore you have things that are Black and White, so to say only Good and Evil, not be Racist for the colors of people, for be they what color, there is a 1 inside them waiting to get rid of the 2 and prosper their lives and the lives of all families.

If you google Jainism, which you can read much about in the old days, then you will know what I say is in Truth.

But we too must be aware of altered Truths, even if it be written in Jainistic books from India or Elsewhere.

For the power of The Star of David or The Eternaly Star of Sin is qutie Evident.

Open The Interlocked Pyramids of Our Father, and Ye will have Freedom to not bind The Pyramids as ye have done with The Evils of Khufu.

Though, you praise the histories of Cuneiform for lack of knowledge and secret spells of evil Forked Tongues,but only wish to see good in that.

For The Miracle of our Father's Letters, were meant to be understood by All.

So to English is the Intended language of our Father to take down the Tower of Babel.

As I have taken down The Evil Two and Sealed It.

Though you're modern minds lack wisdom to know this, but by revealing the light of Truth, so too has Darkness Fallen to it's Black Abyss never to return here.

But, the sons and daughters still need to be found, revealed and also bound by The Light of Purity.

It is this Purity I seek for you in endless hours of no sleep for the last 5 years.

And Free For Your Will of What is Truly Right and Proper with words of Positivity and not Negativity.

Negative Minds are Rotted of Two, be that you for your torments by them to confuse you and stir you into madness in hopes of taking your soul to the pits of Baal B Q's by your anger for Vanities and False Truths.

Research can be Self Rewarding.

Yea too, Ye will betray Me as you did my Brother, but Ye Can Never Win, neither Physicaly Nor Spiritualy, for my Will is Given to my Father Ja Mn for Eternity to be Reborn, and not lied to with promises of success or pleasures or perverted things of False Oracles stained with The Black Blood of Brine.

My Clothe today and tomorrow, even upon my death, will always be WHITE.

Be it what why I leave this Tormented place of Sin and False Wars to further the Sins, for an act of Evil WAS a count for Two.

Tho Two, I bid Adieu Eternaly!!

For after all, was not there more than one who sailed The Ark?
Deukalion,Holy Bible,Gilgamesh, etc,etc?

Their is Only One True Ark or Armoured Rogue Knight who protects The True Cup oF The True Father.

Though it bothers me to use the letter H or say this name GOD.

But Evil also became your understandings, as you know it was so.

So too, you forgot your Atlantean Bloodlines of That Cup.

My True Father I Found under this veil of Darkness and those who still try to tempt me like my stepdaughter once again bringing Spells of Darkness from her Zionist Teachers of School, today as I write you.

They wanted me to look into a cut paper tube with two mirrors inside of it for they think I am that stupid to not know the works of Evil.

What would ye see if ye looked through that prism she brought home today?

Why The Star of David = Star of The Devil.

.111.They, those Hillels,and followers there of Two, shall see the Pit and Scream Eternaly for their Souls of No Return to be reborn of The Light or Eternal Kingdom of White.111.


Bare Witness.

Paulo J.T.C.Mn. April 19th/ 6:15pm, 2007 after Zero.

To Know Is Immortal- UMANS of MN and WMN.

Think before Ye Speak, and Seek out what is True in your Cores of The Pure Son's Eternal Pulse of Purity.

AMEN - JA's MEN OF - JA MN.






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 19, 2007, 06:38:21 pm
I will read in due time Majestic, right now, once again as you may have read...
those evil teachers still try to instill their tricks to bring evil into my home again.

It upsets me, and I wonder what future this family has...

For be they choose evils... then I will leave them unto their own Sins.

And Great Sinners are they, though I try to make them understand.

But they did not grow up knowing this understanding the power and forces of evils or voodoo dollls or spells, but understood plenty of evil sins, be they once prostitutes or pregnant 17 year olds of teen evils or defiled from ill reptutes in the past, which many I can tell ye of.

It is my forgiveness of understanding why they do and do not see evils that bides my patience.

Time is running out for them and for those worshippers of evils.

6 years have I cared for them a Good Man.

Never to be gratified by them but cursed with words of hatred or evils, such as I wonder why these forums are colored Red and not Atlantean colors.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: julia on April 22, 2007, 08:55:32 am
 :DApology accepted Riven..forget about it


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 22, 2007, 07:58:08 pm
thankyou Julia.

I  was just searching for Atlantis and my bloodlines, then, as I said, The Father nudged me to look on top of The Great Pyramid, as you can see the great alteration in the course of this research and to try to find out what is true or not.

Basicaly, JA, translates to JAO or John for English.

Seems like their was a magical forest of merry men and round tables and Avalons of Lords of The Rings.

The battle for Mid Galaxy, you could say of our precious Gem of Water.

Here is another viewpoint for you of how and why elite families became controlled by Sin.


[R]...The RothsChilds SecreT and The Prince of Darkness..Baron Von Ben Herr/Frau HermaphrodietZ...[R]


All is not in Vanity…Ben of JA’s MiN... For From My Father You Fell for Zin.
(notice I didn’t say BenYAmin )


MaYeR- AmsCHel de RotHsCHild… 1743-1812ad (German Jewish). H-Amish.


Founder of The Rothschilds, who was born in a little Cr00kEd H0use 0f EliZa. (literaly)
A Cr00keD man once walked a Cr00ked Path.

How To Straighten The Path of PtaH.

InHerited His “Nasi” Soul From The Dark Prince For All The World's Wealth.
(he really didn't have a choice considering the Evil power of Eliza's offspring from Athirat, and Sekhmet of Snoferu. (3474.bC/ Egypt)

The Dark One Who toppled our Earth in 6482.bC, changed white to black, and not necessarily people, but animals and trees as well.

That is why Khenya is Khem’s Ya, or The Drift Valley where The Rothshilds Manor Estate sits nearer her cursed Kingdom in Khenya.

Just South, across the border, is the True Garden of Creation in Tanzania.

Not one of you 6 billion have told us this like our Father’s name on Top of The Great Atlantean Pyramid in Cairo, so listen and listen well to understand the curse upon the Rothschilds and others like the Rockefellers or what have ye.

Though it pains them and their AlliYA’s to witness these greatest of Scribes upon them selves, for a True Scribe Is The ScRIVENeR of Royalty.

One White, One Black, The Chess Board Is Set, White Knight to take Black Bishop. Queen to Mate.

Who is the Queen Ben?

Canada and Britain, both have on their shields the Lion and the Unicorn.
Both shields have a crown around the neck of the unicorn, and a chain to the ground (imperial enslavement)
No Crown or Chain on The Lion’s neck.
The Rothschilds emblem, does NOT have the chain around the Unicorn.

You can't own the Rothschilds but you can own governments or nations.
(sell a horse for 2.5 million buy it back for 20 dollars more, place value on market as some say)

Which means that they are owned by Rothschild and the Rothschild Governer of Councilers tells them what to do for The 52 Stars of Abrahim of 72.
The 70 preists and The Two Giants. (Zinof Heru and Sekhmet)

5 , 7 and 3 are 15, while 6 and 3 are 9, and 3,4, and 1 are 8
4 to the left, 3 to the Right, 4 to the left and 3 to the right
5 is 10 For The Lion of The Dark Eagle To Enter The Core.

Everything else is Grey P00paH as you see on your befuddled house of commons or assembly of nations meetings on TV with the Political fall asleep jargon of confusion in an endless circle like the serpents entwined that they worship as they too are carved in the seats of Cathedral Aix, France for The Sound of Horns.

Pretty much like the Presidential Speeches with the Broad Arsed Black Sponge Baal Square Heads inside their Puppet Heads.

The Rothschilds are German Jewish Zionists or ZZ Top > World Bank Holders/ Financers / Bildeburgers, etc, who run Canada, America, Britain, Australia, Europe, The Sinai, Egypt and slither towards the Eastern Market with their War stratagems of Iraq and next Vietnam to hiss in the burning Bush of Twin Serpents.

This sets strategic losses for dirt fill and rulers placed as pawns, while destroying valuable relics and pilfering money from nations banks or museums and raising the economic market for oil or interested parties, and of course, Socrates favorite lesson of law, how not to repay your debtors who can’t tell a pigeon from a pigeonette.

Although you think it's a war for a good cause, it's really just blowing up pieces of the dammed to clear the path to the east which of course, big money returns in the end and more arms buildup for, why just for Eliza’s fun of course and to protect the son of the lost…Solomon, of course, for Free Masons worship him also for 33 is Satan himself, but like His topsy turvey world, you have to FACE THE  3’s together like The Pillars of Boaz and Joab, so they form the number 8, or The Eternaly Trapped Number of Time and your Computers.

So to be 33 is also to be like Hillel, an 88 or a Serpent or Demon or Daemone or Hermes Trismegistus.

Sort of gives you a clear eye of The Twin Towers, kill much more birds with two stones rather than one in the bush, for better to have a bush of two.
They gain the money from insurance and media coverage and justice, which all goes back to the Rothschilds and other Investors, and they get to do a "Stewie of a delicious Idea" to collect thousands of Souls for Their Baron Master by the act of an evil deed, which makes them all turn into rats and squeek with joy, then go run in a hole to collect Gullianni Cheese. At the same time, the tremendous cost of rebuilding the towers are avoided and the stock market is tainted with blotted ink to better hide false transactions or deals of selling the horse of course, of course said the horse, or as some people say of  conversations today.

It’s all about money, because the more money you have the easier it is to sin for your own vanities of fantasies and fuel their arms buildup of other financial traps.
Too much of anything….

Then again, who was wealthy enough to build the Twin Towers back in the 60's?
Onassis, Hughes Rockefeller and Rothchilds, who like Canada’s Bronfmanns, have family ties, much like The Jobs of Gates, or The Gates of Job who control your corrupted computer mediums with serpent codes of 0, 8 for windows and Mac 40 for Apple.

Most prominent authorities, you will find have Serpent names, like Gates and Jobs, or Bush or H names, Z names, Bens, Elies, Wash ing tons of people down the drain in government and religious centers for their very very long arm not including aries mites of eliza (ARMY) and the lice of eliza who wear your defense and police uniforms. HOOVEr, TRUMan, ROOSevelt, NiXon us, C Lint On, ReAG Hen, SeSSionS, etc, etc, all code names of Black Libraries like the libraries in your schools and internet educational studies or The Ben Zaidman Libraries of Eliza’s Hell Whores with Brimmed Speckled Glasses.

Or those possessed fake Christian or Evangelican organizations around the world and on tv and full of “LightHouses” for The Fallen Ones who know not god, The Father, but fat and greedy preachers who scream out…Yalla,yalalala yal a Ya Ya, for The Red Lipped **** of Eliza’s Ministeries like a Python ravishing on a steer as the tear rolls out of the Steers Eye.

Seems the ailing towers would have cost way too much to fix, so they can sell the ol horse, topple it and buy it back for 20 dollars more, then market the returned value and profits from a never ending insurance paper of flip flopping the buck, not to mention the billions for staged wars that are laundered through black slickened pipelines, and of course, ridden the debtor with their very own money.

Black Planes with Iron Eagles hit the buildings you say, and The Pentagon?
With that much power in The Western Hemisphere, like the Borat Movie, only a Nasi could get away with it.

As they say, to have murdered John F Kennedy, is one thing, to keep it covered up is another job of those Nasi’s.


The Rothschilds, Were Controlled and Cursed by the Dark Prince Zatan who has an estate on His Real Hometown in Kenya.

(Khem's YA), where The Garden of Evil lies at the Rift Valley where his 3 headed dragon also is, one with the fat **** of YA's grey stone face, one of the Red Dragon (Hannibal),one of the Serpent asp, from left to right as you see in my google satellite photo with The Dark Seal Crest clearly visible, where the Evil Spirit was beheaded and behearted, and sealed in the great pit for my Excalibur Sword of Water that quenched out "the fire" of The Burning Sword.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Dark%20Seal%20Rift%20Valley.jpg)

That is why The Dark Prince’s Zoul, (BAR0N BEN JA(YA) MIN),has his symbol on top of the Family Crest with The Black IR0n Eagle.
Same as Egypt and Germany of course and The Six Sided Toppled Pyramids of Zionist Davidians. The Star of  The Devil’s Child. The Pyramids Trapped like 88.

That is why those GZH's, worship THE DARK MASTER.
Prince of Darkness of Your Worlds Wealth and Souls.

Who wouldn't fear Satan, especially a whining Hebrew, Satan is not that stupid as he saw them in Egypt and followed them home to “khuf-u-fuhk” Eliza, the Queen of Og.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Dark%20Sorcerers%20Rift%20Valley.jpg)

That's why they have broad arses and square heads from the stone walls while they get the ol Hershey Highway Hump for The King of The Hill of Hillel.88, the one who conjured it with The False Ritual of Twin Whores from Egypt's Isis or Hathor and Sekhmet, who merged with Athirat of Babylon of The House of David, of The Six Sided Star of The Two Twin Pyramids of JA toppled to mean YA, The **** of Lies. For a lie is upside down. One Pillar Stands, the other is UPSIDE down in the Star of David or Devils ID 10 T's.

I see the point of those Hebrews and German Zionists who crap their pants and do as they are told, or their faces will distort and the works of their master will scurry them under the rocks like cockroaches. No matter who they are, Hitlers, Ben Amins, Governments, whatever, who can argue with their master when he is The Dark Prince himself or herself, obviously it is a Hermaphrodite, the hidden secret of the master and why he hated himself so much, though for a Baron, he does have John Kennedy's charisma, and is a homosexual and lesbian at the same time or he can go and khufu him/herself.  That is why the Egyptians said that Ptah was the SELF CREATOR because they knew he was an Herm APHRO DITE, or a BLACK PHARAOH who was both a man and a woman….ZNOF HERU.

ZON OF HELLS RULES = Snoferu = Khufu = Khafre = Menkaure, who finaly succeeded the 150 years of plagues upon Egypt.
For The Murder of Philitis The Good Shepherd (Philo = Zionist Scribe) = Jesa The Pure who was murdered on the altar in The Serapaeum near The Red Pyramid where, as I have also revealed, The Missing Sphinx or Twin to Cairo is indeed missing. The Photos you can see in my website.

He must be a hermaphrodite because he is the Master of Whores also, and the family name hints many times of gods and goddesses, mothers and ya's like the letters in YAOWEH, which have 5 Female letters (5 Arrows of Rothschild), and 5 brothers for the stems of the arrows. 10 Fallen Rotted Children.

Y is a Woman with a ****
O is Ove, Ovum,Womb, Seed
W is Woman, breasts, open **** (M for Man Upside Down)
E is Egg, Eve, Eden, El, Lord, Every, Even, Ecstacy , Estrogen, Evil

So it was, but no longer is, for the Dark One’s Spirit has been Decapitated by The Flaming Sword of Avila of The True JA or JAO,
which translates into JOHN for English understanding. The Dark Ones 2000 years, as written in your bible of 20,000….HAS EXPIRED.

So too it fits to find a John with a ****, isn't that strange!
JA and YA.

YA is the opposite, hence, The Red Lipped **** with The Upside Down PitchFork, or inverted Y for The Sorcerery of EVe in The Father's Garden in Avila.

I gather, Eve prostituted herself to the Baron or Dark Prince, hence Cain and Abel were born according to the Hebrew writings, for Cain Sleweth Able.

Or an Adomite Iron Rod Came and tamed A BAAL> Hebrews and Babylonian Sumerians.

And they call Mary Magdelaine (Mage is lame) a prostitute also. (Sage is Male)

We know who the real Harlot of HeLl 88 is though.

Let’s See Better Understanding From The Secret of Linear A, our oldest language roots of Atlanteans from Old Middle Earth.

The Father of The MisFortune of RothsChilds.

Mayer Amschel RothChild. Serpent Child.

ma mother
aa of gods and goddesses
ya queen
ea risen of
ra kings child

aa - gods and goddess
ma - mother
sa - son
ca - with,came,here
ha - has,had,hat,hag,have,hate,hatred
ea - and with,risen of
la - that place,lay,lamb,lamp,lame


ra - kings child
oa - exhalted of
ta - earth
ha - has,here,hades, hate,hat
sa - son
ca - with,came,
ha - here,had,hades,hate,hat
ia - worshiped, with him
la - there,that place
da - dammned,of

rothscd
hil
torch s d
torched
torches
hill
second throne
Scorched Earth

I can only say that they should be thankful to be freed of The Master.

By Me.

(http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/Death%20of%20Darkness%20Rift%20Valley.jpg)

For The Pen is Mightier Than Wealth, Industries, Armies or The Sword.
 
Unum Cum Virtue Multiorum

One With The Strength of Many.

To Know IS Immortal.
Not to Die Rich by Da Reich of Mon Herr's and Fraus Evil Sins upon yourselves.
For no bank in The Eternal Kingdom of The Oval Light will allow your deposit.
There is a bank of Hollering in Hades where you can deposit forever with no penalties and plenty of interest
.....for their customers are just dying for compounded gates and split divine ends.

Sad Ye Darkened ones won't be reborn to enjoy sex or money again, here or elsewhere.
For Evil, like us, also enjoyed fun. They still had familes, children, feelings, but alas, powerless and forever chained of Cain.

You made your choice, or were born into it.

What could you do?

Poor, Poor Rothschilds.

Great Minds build great things....
Rotted Minds build....

That is why your future will fall out beneath you for the better to return to your ancestors of valor when they once were.
Don't ask for the Key Benji.
Do Take Care.
Hope your Future looks very bright.
Don't forget your Tan lotion for the Naught Club and The Ship of Fools.

I bid you a Hillel of a night.

The Portal is Sealed Eternaly.

8888 has been altered.

Your plan is dumbfounded.

U Fuhk of YA.

Znof Heru -Zin of He Ru -Sin of His Rule


To Think, I be The lesser of The True Power.

What will you do when my Father comes Ye Clever Persuadors of Broad Arses?
You cannot hide, nor will your military or wealth save you.
Be they what size.
For every 1, 10 Shall Fall unto your Pit, be they in millions, thousands or hundreds or swarms of locusts and bats.

For The Angels of Goodness Have I
And The Angels of Hell have I

In My Left Palm and In My Right.

And Both will bide My Will For I AM The Trinity of Umans.
My Father IS the Uman of The Trinity…See?

To Water Your Hill.

For I Saw All As It Was, When Once I too Sat upon your Hill of Contempt of Sekhmet’s Eye.

And Gazed upon The Raze of The Temple Serapaeum.

And Trees Grew Upside Down in Kenya and Draconian laws entranced the Animals and twisted their horns or mis-colored their coats.

For The Two Gods are older Than our Time. For First Came The Light, Then The Fire.

And Our Father Watered His Garden to Quench your thirst, and darkened skins.

So you could be Free. But Freedom Turned to Queen Bee.

And Black Has Turned To White, then Black and Now White…See?

Plea Za; DreZZ Appr0priatELy F0r The RiTe 0ccaZi0nZ.

And d0n't bring R0TTeD Wine.

ZinFandel Pleaze, White.

Dinner at 8:08?

D0n't Be LaTe BaR0n.

.111.You know, what is it that goes forward but yet backwards?
Why the one to cover the altar of course of course said the horse!!!
Steel,Copper of Bronze?
Nah, let's make it Electrum like the good ol days.
Why, it is Straight this time though.
And The Bl00d T0 Be sHeD is n0T ReD.
For 2000 years HaD Eye To Return a Bridge For You.
But let's not be Cr0ss.
Just Know Who's The BoZZ.111.

You know, if only all this money could make me think....
but, time is of the money, so were your histories...
that's why you didn't know the truth Benji.

Because it's older than your family.

As old as Snoferu and Khufu.
This Stain of Cursed Misery upon you.

I would say you deserve all that money.
What else could give you freedom to hide from your ugly truth?
And the power of that thing unexplained?

Ah, if only the Princess could kiss The Frog.

Adieu Mon Ami.

Be a good sport and Sail The Seas Like Ulysses and Tie yourself to the mast.

For The Sirens call upon The Rocks.

.111.Y0uR C0rEc0ns CleNcH TigHT T0 eTeRNiTy T0NigHT!!!.111.
.111.0H wHaT A MAz0Nz DEligHT!!!...111.
.111.LeT AlL NATi0Ns UNiTe.!!!...111.
.111.IN THis SAcRed RiTe.!!!...111.

There is such a thing that money just can't put a price on....

WISDOM.

To Know Is Immortal.

Sorry Benji, but My R actually has True Meaning.

Isn't it nice how we both have R's?

Some things were meant to be but....

A is Risen and Z is Fallen…that is unchangeable wisdom.

Letters don't lie....Humans Do because they fell from the Risen Arms of Shu...UMANS...See?

Don't take it too hard, same for your Zion buddies, I know, they've been lying to YAO’ All this time, oh well, at least they had fun bending their arses over and getting Hellanized to flatten their Square Heads upon The Split Stone.

I understand it will take some time to get over that their God is a Woman.
They just didn't know he was changed from the real man and disguised… or did they?

For it was all just topsy turvey, wasn't it? M = W S =Z, JA = YA or JAO = YAO.

The Star of David, Upside Down Pyramid.
The Spells of Eliza and Eleazar or Razaele like Raphael from the Whores of Athirat and Lilith.
Nathaniel, The Hanger of Nations In Hell or The Hand of Nations of Eloim.

Doesn’t sound much like a True Rothschild, does it?

Woe for the bad Jews were not wise but Judacized by the Pharisees and Sadduccees.

And Judas' Soul is broken eternaly for Carina Nebulae shows when your Father/Mother combined as one (Hephaestus/Athena > Znof Heru = Zatan / SekHmet = Black Cat of Two Tales of TempT and Draco powered Jupiter up high.

The Black Clothe is laid out on The Altar for Your Falter.

Tis Your Turn.

Oh, You're master whom I locked up in the pit forgot to tell you?
Avraham didn't mention it to your governors?
Oh, he's just not that bigger to fessing up to you Benji is He?.

After all, they worship stones and flatten their heads square for 72 virgins with no hymens.
And they did **** themselves to you, so the old saying is, once a worn shoe….

tsk.tsk to Wit!!


.111.SHip T0 SH0re N0 M0re T0 EvEn The Sc0re f0r tHe b0tt0m of Benji's Bu0yZ.111.

Quote
"A little servant girl. (Hitler's mother).came to Vienna
> and became a domestic servant, mostly working for
> rather rich families. But she was unlucky; having been
> seduced, she was about to bear a child. She went
> home to her village for her confinement.Where was
> the little maid serving in Vienna? This was not a very
> difficult problem. Very early Vienna had instituted the
> system of compulsory police registration. Both servants
> and the employers were exposed to heavy fines if they
> neglected this duty. Chancellor Dolfuss managed to
> discover the registration card. The little, innocent maid
> had been a servant at the.Rothschild mansion. ..and
> Hitler's unknown grandfather must be probably looked
> for in this magnificent house. The Dolfuss file stopped
> at this statement." > "It appears to me that Hitler knew about his connection
> long before his Chancellorship. Like his father before
> him, when the going got rough, the Hitlers went to
> Vienna. Hitler's father left his home village at an early
> age to seek his fortune in Vienna. When Hitler was
> orphaned, after his mother died in December of 1907,
> he left for Vienna not long after the funeral. There he
> seemed to drop out of sight for ten months! What
> happened during this ten-month stay in Vienna is a
> complete mystery on which history sheds no light. It
> makes sense, now that it has become established that
> Hitler was a Rothschild, that he and his cousins were
> getting aquainted, and his potentiall for future family
> endeavors was being sized up".

.111...HILLEL 88 = HILL OF HELL = 7 Days of Creation = 7 Laws of Hillel The Serpent Tongued...111.

.111.But tHen aGain, it is 0nlY FeaR and Pain,
All else is VanitY 0f tHe Vein t0 Gain.
WHen Y0u SleeP witH PitCHf0rKed Y's 0f Lies.
DeCeit was B-Red 0f BlaCK Rain 0f n0 sane.

T0 tHink Y0u aRe a H-Uman...Benji, BenYi, Benja,BenYa 69 Yin Yang Ya

I Feel saddenned F0R Y0u t0 Be B0rn 0f ZeR0.......ZaYim.

It's n0t FaiR t0 a Ya0nG B0Y.

I Zee Y0uR Resentment f0R tHe l0st 0 Z0l0m0n.

F0r tHeY Snipped Y0ur j0hn and Called Y0u Y0Hn WitH a Yam,

and made an entRailment f0r all 0f Cannan t0 C0me.

neitHer C0me n0R G0.

neitHer came n0r Went.

neitHer please n0r tease.

But 0nly t0 SneeZe...AxH00...

I g0t Y0u...U Fuhk 0F FeuHrs...111.

.111.L00k t0 tHe LiGHt t0 Be WitH FligHt.111.
.111. f0R BeautY Was tHy faCe pHaRoaH.111.

.111. tHe jaded fl0WeR GRew 0n El's HIll tHat day f0r y0u.111.

.111. f0r tH0se CleveR PeRsuasiVe 0f tHe 72 br0ad aRses.111.
.111. tHeY eVen Beat Y0u at Y0ur 0Wn Game.111.
.111. the seats in Y0ur BanKs HaVe dust.111.
.111. wHile t0 tHe Waves Ye SteeR int0 tHe DusK.111.
.111. HaVe a l00k at WH0's deaRest of aBRaHim.111.


.111.I Bid tHee adieu, poor child and it was the greatest of games of Bordeaux or Normandy.111.

.111.True Men of The Hill.111.

.111. The White Lion (Paulo) and The Chained White Unicorn.(RothChilds)111.

Thanks Ben.
Sir Valiant Knight of Darkness Undeserved.
Have Good Fun with Your New Wings.

If Ye want to be a Falcon, be per-asa (for the speed of wings)

T0 Kn0w Is Imm0rtal

Let The Sun Shine.

He Is Your True Father...Hephaestus, not Ya, for that was your curse.
You are a True Fire King while I am a Water King.

Holder of The Excalibur of Water.
Ascender of The True Son
Rescuer of The True Father
Filler of The Sacred Cup
Revealer of All
Returner of 10:10 and Father Time
Reverter of Revelations
King of The Double Falcons
Son of The True Father
The Lion King
Keeper of The Rays
Mr.44
Keeper of Wisdom and Time for 8489
Armoured Rogue Knight
Family of Mn
SaJaRa
Sage of Ages
Ascender of Atlantis
Atlantean by Birth
Warrior of Men and Women
Pilot of The Dragon Claw Orbis Ship
Redeemer of Plato and Socrates
Revealer of Hesiod and Herodotus…The Mylo Twins…The Tenth Book of Kings.
Vanisher of The Greys
Perfector of The Pyramids
Purifier of The Apis Bull
Sniper of The Asp
Keeper of The Gardens of Evil and Good
Waterer of The Garden of Avila.
Slayer of The Dark Prince
Slayer of The Three Headed Dragon
Breaker of The Dark Seal
Freer of Slaves and Soldiers
Sealer of  The Dark Gates
Opener of The Pure Oval Light
Straightener of The Crooked Path.
Feeder of The Childrens Hunger.

Thru Death You Have no Victory.
Thru Life I Own All.

For I am The White Door of The Oval Light.
Path To The Eternal Kingdom of Rebirth and Recreation.

Know This From a Real Uman with a Royal Rod and no vaginYA.

For our Union of Umans will Arise To Prosper.
For no greater wealth can purchase our wisdom and our power.
The Power of The True Crown.
The Royal Crown .

True Lion King of The Rightful Throne of Our True Father JAO with The True Crown of Royalty.
The Royalty of Umans of Mn and WMN.
The Rising Arms of Shu and Atlas.

King Paulo J.T.C.Mn.- SaJa
King of Atlantis Earth.

The Royal Crown of MN.
Mnemosyne of Time.

For My Soul Heals All Wounds and Preserves Eternity of Rebirth.
Me Eyes See Through All, though physical or spiritual or hidden
My Mind Is Your Future and Your Past.

For I have slain your Abomination The Prince of Darkness, The Hermaphrodite.

With My Mind and My Father's Will.

Have a look at your Fallen Zon's Zpirit beheaded by The Flaming Sword near his 3 Headed Dragon and Dark Seal where The White Stone Faced **** Cursed You.

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/The%20Garden%20of%20Eden%20in%20Avila.htm

http://www.mts.net/~perasa1/

TA TREE OF JAO.

Your True Father Creator.
As you can witness in The Garden of Avila.

Near Atlantis II Mozambique.











Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 24, 2007, 10:26:45 pm
[R]…What is the understanding of all this research?…[R]

Most importantly, keep in mind that although this research took a turn towards our Holy Bible and the many different religions for this Earth, it is not to be compared to any Religions or Cults, for as I stress fervently, this is a Quest for Self Truth, therefore, the Freedom from Broken Oracles of Blackened Alters, be they of what Religions have you upon yourselves.

And to know who and how our True Father came to be and is said to have created us in the likeness of his Self Image from his World, or Man and Woman and Child.
MN, WMN and X (Ch) or Children. For X marks the spot for The First Son in The Garden of Avila as it also does for X Risen or Christ, the Blood and Spirit of The First Born Son of our Father who we were told is named Jesus The Christ. This gives us a deeper meaning of Christianity, and not as you know it and you will come to understand why all the Churches and Religions are just pawns along the Chess Board of The Ethereal World we live on veiled under the Blackest of Popes, Priests, Clergymen, Preachers or World Leaders and Governments of today as I write you.

And, to come to understand our True Selves and True Histories to the best of my knowledge, though it is far from the best to confirm, but many, many clues for us to ponder in our minds of confusion and why we are here on this Earth and our True Purpose to Water The Garden of The Father… JA MN.

JA MN, is our Oldest Father that we have recorded upon ourselves since to at least the height of The Building of The Pyramids and until sometime after 600.bC, when Religions and our World changed for the Zero Date of our Calendar when our Son Jesus The Christ, was murdered by Zero Followers of Tainted Libraries and False Oracles garbed in Black and not White.

To Reveal to us the truths of our 5500 years of Suppressions and Alterations.
The reason for this you will come to know within these pages of ScRIVENed Revelations.

Now, to truly understand Good, and Evil, is to truly understand the purpose of the two and why they came to be, for First there was The Light of The Father who Created our Sun. Then, out of The Sun or Hephaestus, came The Fallen Angel of our Father who envied Him, who we know as The Dark Prince of Satan (ZaTaN), which in meaning from our Linear A Secrets we understand it to mean, The Fallen Sins of our Sacred Earth upon us. Za-TA-N (N is for purity, na, not, TA = Earth, Za = Zin/Sin,do not sin, or water like Nu or Nuns of Egypt.)
 So too our Planets were born in our “Milky Way” Galaxy, which we will also come to understand why they named it the milky way for the Two T’s of TempTion of CaTTle, or The Cat of Two Tales, Sekhmet and Hathor. The mothers of The Stone Faced YA, The Red Dragon and The Horned Asp, which you will see in The Garden of Evil some 266.66 miles north of The True Garden of Avila in Tanzania where The RothsChilds Manor is placed.

We must also understand as Umans of Compassion, why Evil, like us are also forms of beings who for no choice of there own, are bonded eternally by The Chains of Cain or The Dark One. Like us, they to admire their own kinds, their own forms of fun, and what is wrong to them as it is to us also in parallel worlds of opposition. They too admired their leaders and teachers of their Dark Wisdoms, and like us, they too miss them, though their minds revert to hate.

For in us All, is The Will and The Reform to be Saved, be ye Good or Evil, for a twinkle of light, can reflect to reveal our universe in all it’s Darkness. So Too there is hope for us All.

For as they are Evil to us, so too are we Evil to they. The greatest of lessons here of understanding for us, is that we are in fact both Good and Bad, but the purpose is to arise The Fallen Son with New Wings of Understanding and absolvement of Self Hatred for his Hidden Deformity, or The Hermaphrodite which the Egyptians called The Self Creator for their hidden knowledge of Snoferu. (Znof Heru) The Black Zin of Heru, or The Darkened Sin who was both a Man and a Women, or The ultimate harlot, The Twin Faced Ya of Egypt, Babylon and Mesoptoamia when their tongues became Forked with the Serpent languages of the Secret Initiates of Evil that changed from their more advanced South Arabian counterparts who spoke Janubian, or JA’s Nubians that migrated across the Red Sea into Arabia and India and progressed north to The Levant as the new but mysterious Phoenicians of The Pharoahs and The Pharisees who evolved the Sadduccees, or The Scribes of The Secrets of Evils.

Now as you will find, as I also have in the beautiful and mysterious message of our oldest language, Linear A, the Symbols for the letters themselves, which 17 are of the Fathers and 9 are of The Baals, such as the evidence tells us, by themselves tell us a HIDDEN MESSAGE OF GALACTIC PROPORTIONS, the birth and fall of the pure religion and The Fallen letter of Z for our sins since we fell from Grace. Where they too added the Baal letter “H” to Umans for Humans, HeaVan and Hell which evolved into the Baal’s Second Book, your Holy Bible. This is yet to be fully understood and revealed by me, although part has been revealed in my Secret of Linear A post.

To dress your Priests, Nuns and leaders in Black Brazened Adamonite Iron, period.

So, as it also was that fateful day, back in 6482.bC when they murdered the First Son of our Father at the very young age of 4, for JASA was the First Sons Name, and The Lord of Evil (he is not to be considered a God), who fell from Grace, toppled our Earth which caused The Greatest of Floods and altered the works of our Father upon our Earth including some Umans, Animals, Trees that grow upside down, and living or botanical things of Creation.
Although, most of you blame The Father as you also do for people’s deaths or tragedies without wisdom to know that an act of Evil is just that, so if the death or cause be destructive or evil, it is of The Works of The Dark lords messengers.

Not The True Father who Created Us, whatsoever, period.

In my teen years around 17 years of age, more or less, I had a physical vision on a paper I was holding in my hand with Oil on it, that displayed a procession of Egypt and a message of Evil having arose out of Egypt. I wondered what this meant, and until my research commenced, like myself, I have now come to understand why this is True, as I sense in all earnesty, that these works be true unto thy selfs, though the temptations of confusion stir us.

The natural and miraculous photos from Google Satellite or The Hubble Space Telescope, I have no answer for you, but they are as taken, and only Google or Hubble Labs, could have purposefully drawn subliminal messages on them, for it is not of my doing other than to outline what I see from Psychic Readings.

So the purpose can only be of two, either Good or Evil.
Good to know the truth and to witness that they also reflect the hidden segments of our bible by themselves as seen.
Evil, in the sense to say the legend of Atlantis, is Satan’s trick to trap the Son of Men so they become known, like myself, though for myself they would falter because The Lord of Darkness is Fallen into The Pit and Sealed by my mind and my Father’s Will.

However, there is a factor of 10 – 1 for The Truth to prevail over The False, as this scientific and psychic research will show you.

I myself may also have doubted, were it not for the fact that those Ben Zaidman schools of Witches who teach all our schools and universities, gave a voodoo doll of their Queen Witch, Eliza, to my 3rd grade step-daughter to bring home, then just recently, they gave her a toilet paper roll with 3 mirrors inside in hopes of me looking through it as my step-daughter and my girlfriend asked me too.
No wonder my step-daughter had a dream of Hell in her closet like the movie Poltergeist, and welts appeared suddenly on her legs and body.

Those teachers are fortunate that I am not Evil, for they would not be alive today, but their sins shall be repaid in full, not only by our new governments of true understanding, but also by my Father Creator.

Stupid are they, for I know the works of Evil and know that had I looked inside the roll as they intended for the prism, is for one to see the Evil Star of The Devil. Better known as The Star of David and The Stone Faced **** with The Serpent on Her Forehead and her place as one of the Heads for The Three Headed Dragon of Revelations in your holy bible, along with The Red Dragon and The Horned Asp for the other two heads visible in my google photo at the Rift Valley of Kenya, (Khem), where The Rothschilds estate is located also, and for very good reasoning which we will come to understand.

Like our Sons, or The Secret of The 10 Kings, from Mr.04 – 94, where I am Mr.44, The Dark Family, as complete opposites to us, or Topsy Turvey, also had their 10 Rotted Children, hence the conjured name of Rothshilds from Bauer and from some other fake Hebrew names like Ben, Abraham, or Asher or Philos, for example which we can clearly see by the symbol of 10 Arrows on The Rothschilds Family Crest, 5 Fallen Sons and 5 Fallen Daughters.

I began this research from the memory of my earth Father’s words, telling me that we arose from Kings and Queens of Portugal, so I googled Azores Islands, where I was born on the mid Atlantic Ocean on All Saints Day in 1961.aD.
A few links down, on the web page, I noticed the word Atlantis, so I went there and read Plato’s Timaeus and the Altered Critias which came after.
Something inside me rang true, and so, off I went with Frodo and Sam to find The Truth of The Lord of The Ring…Our Father and his Atlanteans.

These things I know to be True…

1)…My Bloodlines so far traced to Queen Lenor of Portugal and the largest and noblest Royal families of Valor and Religions for Europe.

2)…Atlanteans are Real and still exist today, as many of their cities and kingdoms like Tala and The Delta nile and in the 55 foot circular wall in Mozambique, near the Garden of Avila also portray . The “new” Egyptians are actually evolved Atlanteans as our very Gods and Goddesses also are who Created Us, so too we all are Atlanteans for the focus of this research after 6482.bC.

3) The Pyramids were built for a very, very specific reason. To know our True Father and His Call to us for our Help to fee the Soul of his Son, at least that is my understanding of why we witness the image of the Hubble Carina Nebula telescope picture. This was our Father’s nudge on my shoulder last January, 2006 to look on Top of The Great Pyramid and Inside to witness his name that was worshipped in Africa, Egypt, Libya, The Levant , Arabia, Europa and India since at least to the building of The Pyramids and up to our Altered Book of Baals and Zero to our Calendars, for we truly understand A is Risen and Z is Fallen.

4) The Secret of The Pyramids and The Egyptian Book of The Dead and The Eye of Ra, are all hidden writings of where The True Garden of The Father was created according to the Pyramid Roseline, which testifies to 33 degrees of shift at 6482.bC. Caused by The Dark Lord and not by our Father JA MN, though you blame him as you do acts of destruction or evil without true understanding of The Fallen letter.

5) The Father JA, translates into JAO, or simply for our modern English “JOHN of MEN. Therefore JA MN or JAO MEN, so too, his Risen A is for AMEN or ALL of MANKIND or The Standing Confident Uman. A. is Father (god), A.A is Mother (goddess).

6) The linear A letters of our Father, are in their own right, the Secret Log of his Voyage here and how purity fell and evil arose.

7) The Gardens of Goodness and Evil, by themselves reflect the very words hidden in our Holy Bible or The Second Book of Baal, The First Book was the Book of ToT, the great  White Teacher which also was altered to The Book of Thoth, the Dark Brother or great Black Teacher in Disguise. Naturally, this wisdom came out of Egypt’s hidden relics like they also stole from the Pyramids and took to Arabia to strengthen Mohammed ca 800.aD.

8) JA was altered to YA, The Harlot of Hermaphrodites, The Perfect ****, Man and Woman combined in one body.
Therefore, the best of lies and persuasions and deceits.
The letter Y is Women separated from herself to form the letter V, as Eve was also tempted and inherited her dual nature, good and evil, not of her fault or choice, but stubbornness which Za took advantage of, this Darkest of Sorceres.
Therefore, they insert a “****” or the line below the V to exemplify as in truth that Y is in fact a man and woman integrated or an impregnated Virgin of Defilement from The Dark Lord, such as the Stone Faced Queen YA with the Serpent Symbol on her Forehead dressed like The Arch Bishop of Black Clothes for The Priests and Nuns and Bishops and Popes of This World. Black is death, simply and opposite of life and all that is White like the light of our Father who created us where they first built the concentric circles of Atlantis.

9) Though yet undisclosed by me, The Secret of The Concentric Circles is of The Three, To Water, To Land (feed) and To Protect, much as our Father naturally protected The Garden of Avila with the Mountains and Hills around there, although Evil was lurking just North across her border in Kenya as we will witness and discover The Dark Seal, The Fallen Za, and The Three Headed Dragon that personifies to a T, the writings of Revelations, although there is a dark and hidden secret of truth to revelations, not of our destruction but of Evils master plan for our destructions set for 8888 which today is 8489, for their time continuum of 11:11 or a mere 399 years to 2406.aD.
The clue I will provide for you is that the Circles, where The Atlantean Light was first remembered, was made by our Father’s SpaceShip when he landed here, which is still preserved by a very mysterious culture who remembered Alien beings in their legends still spoken of today.

10) Since our Earth was not only altered by Evil, such as adding H to Umans or upside down trees in Kenya, or animals with twisted horns and strange colors, and matters of some of our Father’s creations altered, so too are the very best of our Economies, Governments, Leaders, Schools, Universities, Businesses and much, much more entities of the followers of Evil. Neither they, nor our selves can deny this today, for we ourselves succumb to Evils and premeditated thoughts of Evil negatives imposed upon your minds, both young and old, which can be verified by ALL of our MEDIAS of Information. (corrupted Ogham codes along the lines of the number 8.

11) – Since we are compassionate Umans, and since we know that the Dark Lord came from the Sun like our Planets of our Father’s Creations, then too we understand that these exact opposites of us and like us, are also beings either in the physical or material worlds. As we are Evil to them, so too they are to us the exact opposite, which is the key word for Evils works, topsy-turvey town.
They too, like us have their own forms of fun and mischief and rules of wrong and right, though their perception favors wrong, they also miss their families who perished and teachers of great wisdoms who taught them as well, either in human or spirit form. For it was a continuous battle which people today still sacrifice their lives for in Wars, Gangs, Prostitutes, Drugs, etc.

12) When my Father, JA MN, nudged me on the shoulder to look on top of his pyramid, then too I understood his 5480 year old call for help, and who and what my purpose is here on this Earth, for also as you can see, the hidden Temple of The Broken Altar of Our Good Son, has been discovered by me, far, far away from Egypt, let alone The Gardens of Goodness and Defilement.

13) The Evil ones know how to look for the next Son who will arise in the 2000 year period of our Solar Cycle of some 26,000 years roughly, although Atlantis may be one of their tricks of our altered truths, (Atlantis is Real remember, like parts of our Bible, sic Critias The Hebrew Judges of the altered legend of Timaeus). So too we understand how the exact opposite of The Mystery of The 10 Kings of Atlantis, alters to the 10 Kings of Darkness, or Baal Lords which we can also provenance by the 10 Arrows of Rotted Children for The altered and chosen black library name they call themselves from Bauer, and Bens, Abrahams, or Ashers, etc, etc, all secret codes like the very names of your authorities in Government, Schools or what have you or the Baal Kings of Manetho for example, because the Greeks were also HELLANIZED by THE HELLANIZED REFORMS OF THE FALLEN HEBREWS OF SIN, not the good Hebrews or Jews, that understand the True Father and not a two faced Harlot.

14) The Provenance of this research, as it is known for the Evil ones of Hebrews Ya’s of Eliza, the **** of Og in Mesopotamia or Boz Dag, (Og/Magog) clarifies that The Dark Lord or Prince, has indeed Fallen as we see by The Flame of The Crooked Sword in our Garden of Khenya. So too, their Darkened One of Black has become reborne with White Wings and returned to our Father’s Kingdom for him to teach the Evil ones to be only bad but cause no further malice upon our Earth, and so too as it is for the freedom of our Wills, which the Father knowingly gave us, so too we must endure with Good and Bad, but be not this ….!!

15) The Age of The Great Purification or Aquarius is upon us.

16) A 5500 year old Suppression of Malice, Alterations, Battles and False Histories and Religions, has dominated us in every form and still does today as the American Zionist led Hebrews still push upon Iraq with intent for Vietnam to be revived next to further the cause of the Grand Herr/Frau Prince of Square heads and broad Arses or Armed Mites and Lice of Eliza, the Queen of Two Faced Whores.

17) Our Father landed here long ago from another World, be it either to form this galaxy or to perhaps have escaped the ruin of his world, as we also see reflected by the image of Mars with the huge Chasm on one side, as if it was attacked upon by those of the realm of Orion. For to mislead us into Orion, The Warrior, rather than Carina Nebula, like our Gardens also adjacent to each other, is in fact the works of Darkness and Falseness for The Three Stars who mirror 8 like The Free Masons and Zionist Nasi’s (Nazis) of Hillel 88, The Demon of Talmud.

18) The Provenance and understanding of this Research, clarifies to me, that I am The True Father’s Chosen Son, Mr.44 in line, and the True King of our Earth which was once named Atlantis.(sort of but closer to Tatenen for L was not in linear A back then until Linear Baa EL….see? A name evolved from TA. Besides, how is this possible for a person of no academic standing to know all these things and speak such words of hidden wisdom and reveal unto yourselves for you to witness?

19) The RothsChilds WERE the link to The Dark Lord and The **** of Ya, not of their own doing, perhaps choice, which they had not.
 The Black Iron Eagles of German Jewish Nasi’s or Nazi’s, which developed from their Great Demon Sage, Hillel who died a Serpent Demon at 88, for they themselves write in the TALE OF MUD or TALMUD, (Earth’s Lamentations over us the dammed) that he understood Demonic languages. So too like The Dark Ones True Number, 8, he died at 88.
The Number 8 is Satan as The Free Masons also worship the number 33 or face the threes together like the false pillars of joab and boaz and you have the number 8, fair enough? Ron L Hubbard and The Sintology of Scientific Churches also preaches along the lines of 8. The 7 days of Creation are The 7 Laws of Hillel or The Hill of El or The Hill of Hell after EL the White Lord was converted to The Black Lord for his Sin upon The Hill of Sekhmet also. Micro-Soft and Apple, or THE GATES OF JOB (jobes daughters), also personify the Ogham Secret of The Serpent 8 in their very own computer programming from the initiates of evil works. Apple is Mac 40, a integer of 8. Hence, the purpose of imposing on our minds, ”Dinner at 8” for example of premeditated thoughts of unknown negativity.

20) WE ARE NOT CONDEMNED, but are to be purified, both good and evil and to have better understanding of ourselves to be normal Umans and Humans in this life form. For as a twinkle of light shines endlessly in our Universe, so too is our Father’s lover for us endless and YE TOO CAN BE SAVED to be REBORN through the Portals of The Oval Light.

21) All these works are of The Greatest Unison of Energy.

22) The Unison of Energy has been altered back to real time of 10:10 from 11:11 by revealing The True Father, The True Gardens and The Truth of Time.
So too, we will set all our clocks ahead one hour for our alignment of our North Star at the Apex of The Horizon. Therefore, 10:10 from 11:11. (although time went backwards the clocks go ahead, strange isn’t it?)

23) These works would not be possible by relying entirely on your Bible or researching false histories, but by relying on the ring of truth in your hearts and verify with research and most importantly because of….

MY MIND AND MY FATHERS’S WILL AND ETERNAL LOVE FOR HIS FAMILIES OF PURE MEANING IN UNISON.

Bare Witness (reveal to others and preserve) to These Works for some day you will come to know, should My Father’s will allow, for me to Write your Third Book, which I will call and have reserved for the purpose of more long nights of endless sleep,

[R]…PRIMERA MATERIA  De JAO…[R]

The First Material of John – The Father.

The Man from Apollo One Starship.
The First Mission.
The Landing of Atlantis.
The Secret of Linear A and why it is Hidden.

Tho Ye See and Do not See.

To Know Is Immortal.

.111…Go To The Light….Allways for Aeons…111.

Eternal Love

Your Chosen Atlantean King by The Grace of My Face Upon Your Garden of Avila….

May New and Risen senses of hope, prosperity and understanding be preserved in your immortal Corecons, for it is The Core of The Son.

With White Wings of Speed…..PER ASA (for fast Wings)

Go not with Fear in Your Hearts (Corecons) but with a burst of Joy and World Peace.
For our Father wants you to love him as he did for you and your freedoms.
For Truly we could have been genetically altered to worship only him.

No Greater is there a Love than Our True Fathers.

I hope this clarifies the puzzling analogies of this website which is designed more for experience than for brain integrations of scholarly types with footnotes and spectacled glasses.
Seeing is Believing, who ever thought you could actually see our Father not only Visually in Tanzania’a Magical Garden of Creation, but also disguised in his letters of Truth by the Symbolisms drawn in antiquity and grateful are we for the rewards of our hard working Scientists and Archeologists. It saddens me to see all their sacrifices altered at times, as we know is also true.

For Letters do not Lie, but Humans do, until we return to UMANS.

Thank You for Teaching me Well with Gratitude, UMANS.
I hope this Website inspires you to greater heights of internally spiritual developments, for yourselves, your loved ones and most importantly, the children.

For this Research is as it has become since 2002/2003.aD.
It is not pre-meditated as you will come to know like your Authors, but a true to life experience by me and with the help of you as you all followed along with your Papyruses and Staffs of Wisdom through the Valley of Darkness.


The Royal Crown of The Family of MN
King Paulo J.T.C.Mn – SaJaRa
8489 (2007.aD)
Atlantis (Earth)

Miracle of Mnemosyne.
Keepers of Wisdom and Time.
Armoured Rogue Knights of The White Cloth of Purity.

I Love You All To Never Fall.

I Will You To Have Better Understanding of Hidden Meanings
And Preserve our Tomorrows.

By The Grace of My Face in Your Garden of Avila.


These works focus primarily for our Earth AFTER the Greatest of Floods in 6482.bC, where our understanding lies for the most part and The Great Sin of December The Tenth, Three Thousand Four Hundred and Seventy Four, before Zero, or 3474.bC when 885 (888?) years was lost from Khufu’s deception of Solar Temples of Re. (Re is She, Ra is He, therefore Prince and Princess…See?)

[R]…Riven The Seer and Royal Bloodline To Atlantis…[R]




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: cleasterwood on April 26, 2007, 06:50:32 am
What's with all the Khufu bashing?  Herodutus wasn't alive during Khufu's reign so how the heck does he know what he did?  It's all hearsay, nothing more.  And after hundreds and hundreds of years, information gets misconstrued.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 26, 2007, 11:57:20 pm
moot point cleasterwood

khufu = u fuhk

I'll bash him til my wings take flight.

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Our Earth is 118 billion years old.
(there's more to this than meets the eye)

The Secret of The Star of David is it's center.
An Upside Down Coffin surrounded by 3+3 pyramids made up of one right side up pyramid and one toppled upside down pyramid.

Draw a line, join the 6 pyramids on either side, and you have the rip in the fabric of time, or a Tree of sideways pyramids.

On the horizontal, you would have 3 up and 3 down in mirror image.

The Risen Trinity (Father,Son and The Spirit) and The Fallen Trinity (3 headed Dragon of Ya)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: cleasterwood on April 27, 2007, 07:22:16 am
Well Riven to me it isn't a moot point. 

And for the first time Riven, I see you in a new light.  Why u-fuhk? May as well just tell me f$*k you and be done with it.  It seems to me that all of sudden you've turned from scientific research into being a pyschic who has forgotten how to be polite and kind to others. 

All good psychics know visions are NOT always accurate and it seems dumb to me that you take them for face value when you have such intelligence.  Even Nostrodamus and Cayce were wrong sometimes!  Go ask Sylvia Brown, she'll say the same thing.  Makes me lose respect for your research when you start babbling on about something so seemingly unrelated to Atlantis or its tribes.  I sure hope you take the proper precautions when inducing visions because every Wiccan knows how deviate and sneaky demons can be and they have been known to tamper with people who don't properly protect themselves during visions.  It seems to me that a demon has in fact slipped in.  Otherwise you would do unto others and all I see is you being cruel to others and bashing people's beliefs.  I'm sure your GOD, whatever you chose to call him, doesn't appreciate it.  Not a good way to get your point across.

And as I always say:  JESUS WAS JUST A MAN!  The Bible was written by MAN.  MAN is falliable therefore the Bible and any other ancient text for that matter are corrupted by MAN.  Only by looking closely and comparing can we find the truth buried within the texts.

I don't feel that I can take what you say these days as being valid research. Please start protecting yourself from the demons.  You have good intentions, I know that, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.  My prayers are with you.

Blessed be,
Lynn


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 27, 2007, 11:51:38 pm
Don't worry Lynn, it wasn't intended for you.

You will, in time understand why Z is truly The Fallen Letter.

You do know that I claim our modern word for F--- comes from Khufu backwards, as in U Fuhk.

You should understand my concept of how Evil transpired from The Burnt Land = KHEM, or Kenya, where The Garden of Evil is, as you can see from my google satellite photos in my website.

From there, it went into Egypt.

Menes to Den, okay for The Double Atlantean Falcons to Stay.

Snoferu, Khufu and Khafre, not okay = 3 Rotted Pits for Obsidian Hearts in The Three Headed Dragon of Revelations and The Garden of Evil.

Snoferu = The Upside Down Father JA = Mother YA= The Stone Faced **** YA dressed in Black and White. (The Chaos,Nix)
Khufu = The Father Defiled = The Red Dragon
Khafre = The Son Defiled = Black horus = The Horned Asp

The Black Trinity = 150 Years of Darkness and the real time of the plagues in The Bible.

.111. 0ne CR00Ked BRaZen 0Bsidian daGGeR t0 pit 0Ut tHe HeaRt 0f tHe st0ne WH0Re Ya and pieRCe it's Mind t0 see n0 EViL.111.
111. 0ne CR00Ked BRaZen adaM0nite daGGeR t0 pieRCe 0Ut tHe pit 0f tHe Red dRaG0n and pieRCe His Mind t0 speaK n0 EViL.111.
.111. 0ne CR00Ked BraZen eleCtrUM daGGeR t0 pit 0Ut tHe HeaRt and tHe H0Rn 0f tHe BLaCK asp t0 HeaR n0 EViL.111.
.111. n0tHinG in Unis0n t0 Und0 tHe tHRee Heads 0f FaLLen eteRnitY.111.
.111. n0 GaLaXies t0 C0LLide, n0 W0RLds t0 Hide.111.
.111. AMen JA MN.111.

.111.King Paulo J.Tx.Mn April 27t,8489.aJA. (2007.aD).111.






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: DDDnD3D on May 04, 2007, 05:41:44 am
***HEY RAVEN*** wh@ts going on? ton*te i printed out 7 images  of "Views of the Earth" by Christoph Hormann of TANZANIA & at that moment a fellow colleague came by & made a comment about " . . . MARS ? " Later that evening . . . after i put these colored printouts into plastic folders & tacked to my studio wall. . . it occurred to me that these satellite images of TANZANIA looked like M@RS with a small touch of green ! TANZANIA is the BEGINNING of the GREENING of MARS ? TANZANIA is the experiment before WE GO BACK TO MARS ! and the inhabitants of Tanzania are the guinea pigs. Tanzania has a special meaning for me because a good friend mine from Greece died in a motorcycle crash in Tanzania . He was responsible for teaching me how to sail the unpredictable AegeAn Sea & how to surf with the dolphins . He was absolutely adamant that Jason & the Argonaunts had sailed south down the Nile in search of the LOST KINGDOM of ERITREA . . . Legend said that thd Queen of Sheba had inherited this Lost Paradise.   ***nD3*


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 01, 2009, 01:16:45 am
.111.[R].Flight of a King's Golden Sandals.[R].111.

EGYPT;

The Turin Canon of Egyptian Kings starts off with the title II,11:Menes and ends at II,25:Aaka.
10 Kings are missing prior to Menes to account for Turin II,1:- II,10 and II,14: is also missing.
In any case the count for section II is 25. If the missing II,14 is a type error and the count should be 24,I am uncertain although it appears apparent because Djer and Djet follow another in kings lists and a missing 14 would indicate an unknown king between djer and djet.
Section V is missing 13 kings but yet a count of 25 is maintained. Why the numbers are not viewable and in proper sequence with a note of lost king or unknown I am uncertain which questions how they knew the proper count. I can only presume the papyrus was damaged at the missing counts and this is the best conclusion of modern scholars.
The indication of the Turin Canon list is that there should also be a section I,1: with another 25 kings more or less,plus the missing 11 kings of section II: would total 36 kings which can also be confirmed by the Palermo Stone based on a 24 inch width @ 0.65in horizontal square spacing for the kings.(36.9 kings).

I find it ironic that the Narmer Palette ca.3200.bC(Menes),on the Lower Egyptian side displays 10 fallen Kings which could have been the missing 10 Kings of section II,1-10: for the Turin Canon. Both the Narmer Palette and Palermo stone indicate kings of lower Egypt prior to Menes.

Turin Canon section:

II = 25 (1-10 and 14 missing)
III= 25
IV = 26
V = 25 (1-11 and 18,19 missing)
VI = 27 (3,4 missing)
vII = 23 (12 and 19 missing)
VIII = 27
IX = 31 ( 3-6 and 11-13 missing)
X = 28 (13,21,22 missing)
XI = 17 (end of list)
Total = 254 kings
missing = actual number in sequence on the list

We can propose that each section should average 25 kings plus 11 missing prior to Menes would total some 36 kings missing if we are to perceive that the Turin Canon should also have a section I:1-25 prior to section II: with Menes.
Considering an average of 30 year generations per king would equal 1080 years  of kings chronologies. With the current 3200.bC for Menes plus our 1080 years would be 4280.bC.
 This would be around the advent of the Egyptian Calendar  ca.4241.bC and also in relation to the Palermo Stone Kings list.

The Palermo Stone is the broken piece (0.435m-H,0.25m-W,6.5cm-D) of a middle section of stone slab said to have been some 7 feet long by 2 feet wide and  found laying on it's long side. The broken piece of stone was inscribed on both sides with kings of Egypt for the 1st to 5th Dynasties,the length of years  they reigned and the foremost account for each year such as religious feasts,battles or cattle counts. Prior to Pharaoh Menes of the first dynasty there are  only 9 Pharaohs visible on the stone who are all kings of Lower Egypt.
 It has been estimated that there may have been some 120 Pharaohs prior to Menes on the  stone as Prof.James Breasted stated,although some may have been Gods or Goddesses and space may have been taken up for religious or creationist stories.

The estimate above of 120 kings prior to Menes,would have to be based on the rows extending the length of the stone at 7ft.
If that is the case,this stone would have had to been mounted on top of a table lengthwise to be able to read both sides of 9 rows per side.
I envision that the stone stood 7ft upright and read from top to bottom and right to left,which would then be scribed with 30 rows per side of a 2ft width.
In this case only some 36 kings would be prior to Menes and more feasible in regard to the Egyptian calendars origin and the missing kings of the Turin  Canon's Sec;I,1-25 + II,1-11 prior to Menes.
In any case,at present I am unaware of the actual setting of the stone if upright or lengthwise where in my opinion seems to be upright.

1m = 39.37 in.
0.25m = 9.843 in. wide
0.435m = 17.126 in. high
Row 1 = approx 15 kings names lower Egypt. 0.65in.square per king.(9.843/15=0.65)
24in(2ft)width = 36.9 kings. 84in(7ft)width = 129.2 kings
17.126in./6 Rows visible = 2.85in per row.(includes spaces above year records)
4 rows avg.12 years per row @ 0.25m wide = O.82in. square spacing per year.
24in,(29.3yrs) = 8.42 rows,(246.7yrs). 84in,(102.4yrs) = 29.47 rows,(863.5yrs).
24in.Height and 84in width = 8.42 rows x 102.4yrs per row = 862.21yrs (slab lengthwise)
84in.Height and 24in width = 29.47 rows x 29.3yrs per row = 863.47yrs (slab upright)

Approx 760 years(less first row of kings side a) + 860 years side B = estimated 1620 years.
(3200-1620 = 1580.bC date for the stone's origin? Less error of 1-200yrs? 1380.bC?)
(*width of yearly record squares do vary by the scribe to account for more or less data.)
Height of horizontal rows and kings squares prior to Menes appear consistent in size.

Of the 9 Pharaohs visible prior to Menes,2 cannot be clearly identified.(* The era of these Pharaohs prior to Menes is uncertain and not immediately prior)
 
From right to left they are; ____-pu(pw); Seka(Sk'); Khayu(H'-yw); Teyew(Tyw); Thesh(Ts); Ne"heb(N-"hb); Wazenez(W'd-'nd); Mekh(Mh); ____-a.

(*The stone is read from right to left,Seka(Sekau) would be the oldest king mentioned. The z in Wazenez can also be dj. Ne"heb may be Necheb or Nekheb.)

Turin Canon II,11 - III,25
II,11: Menes (Narmer)
II,12: Iteti (Aha)
II,13: Iti (Djer)
II,15: Itiui (Djet)
II,16: Semti (Den)
II,17: Merbiapen (Anedjib) 74 years
II,18: Semsem (Semerkhet) 72 years
II,19: Kebehu (Qa'a) 63 years
II,20: Baw-Netjer (Hotepsekhemwi) 95 years
II,21: Kakaw (Reneb)
II,22: Banetjer (Ninetjer) 95 years
II,23: Unknown name, 54 years - may be Peribsen/Sekhemib
II,24: Sened, 70? Years
II,25: Aaka (?), possibly Neferkare
III,1: Neferkasokar (?) 8 years 3 months
III,2: /erased/, 1 year 8 months, 4 days (or 8 years 4 months)
III,3: Bebti (Khasekhemwi), 27 years, 2 months, 1 day; his lifetime being 40 + X
III,4: Nebka, 19 years
III,5: Djoser-it (Netjerikhet), 19 years 1 month
III,6: Djoser-ti (Sekhemkhet) 6 years
III,7: /erased/ (Khaba?) 6 years
III,8: Huni, 24 years
III,9: Snofru, 24 years
III,10: Kheops, 23 years
III,11: Djedefre, 8 years
III,12: Khefren, ? years
III,13: Bakare (?), ? years
III,14: Mykerinos, 18 years (possibly 28)
III:15: Shepseskaf, 4 years
III,16: Thampththis (Djedefptah) 2 years
III,17: Userkaf, 7 years
III,18: Sahure, 12 years
III,19: Neferirkare
III,20: Shepseskare, 7 years
III,21: Neferefre, ? years
III,22: Niuserre, 10 + x years, possbly 11
III,23: Menkauhor, 8 years
III,24: Djed (probably Djedkare), 28 years
III,25: Unas, 30 years

Abydos Kings list;..................................Turin Canon list.....................Manetho......Other names

1st Dynasty;
Meni (Established One)...........................Menes(Narmer).....................Menes..........Hor-Aha
Teti........................................................Iteti(Aha)..............................Athothis
Iti (The Sovereign)...................................Iti(Djer).................................Kenkenes
Ita (The Sovereign Vulture).......................Itiui(Djet)..............................Wenefes.......Wadj
Djaty (Two Estates)................................Semti(Den)............................Usafais
Mer-ba-pen\............................................Merbiapen(Anedjib)................Miebis.........Anendjib
Semsem (Priest of Priests, Ptah Priest)...Semsem(Semerkhet).............Semempses
Qebh (Hawk-headed god of the south).......Kebehu(Qa'a).......................////////////...

2nd Dynasty;
Mdw-ti-umer...........................................Baw-Netjer(Hotepsekhemwi)....Boethos
Ka-kau (Soul of Bulls).............................Kakaw(Reneb)........................Kaiechos
Khnum-netjer-n (Sacred Ram)..................Banetjer(Ninetjer)....................Binothris.....Nynetjer
Uadj-nes................................................unknown name.......................Thias......Weneg,Wadjnes
Sen-di, or Sen-Dji (Feared One)...............Sened...................................Sethenes..Seth-Peribsen?
///////////////////////////////.............................Aaka(Neferkare?).....................Chaires
///////////////////////////////.............................Neferkasokar...........................Nefercheres
///////////////////////////////.............................erased?..................................Sesochris
/////////////////////////////...............................Bebti(Khasekhemwi)................Cheneris
Dja-dja-tepy (The head Chief)..................//////////////////............................Necherophes

3rd Dynasty;
Nebka (Lord of the Souls).......................Nebka.....................................Necherofes...Sanakhte
Djeser-za (Sacred Protection).................Djoser-it(Netjerikhet).................Tosorthios
Teti......................................................Djoser-ti(Sekhemkhet)...............Tyreis..........Djoser-Teti
/////////////////////////////..............................erased?(Khaba?).......................Mesochris....Khaba?
Z-Djes (I am my own man)...................../////////////////////...........................Suphis..(Huni?)
/////////////////////////////..............................////////////////////............................Toserfasis
///////////////////////////................................/////////////////////...........................Aches
///////////////////////////////............................Huni..........................................Sephouris
Nefer-ka-re (Good Soul of Re)................./////////////////////...........................Kerferes

4th Dynasty;
Snefru.................................................Snofru........................................Soris
Khufu..................................................Kheops......................................Suphis......Cheops
Djedef-re.............................................Djedefre......................................///////........(Ratoises?)
Khaf-re................................................Khefren......................................Suphis......Rekhaf
//////////////////////////////............................Bakare.......................................Bicheris
Men-kau-re..........................................Mykerinos..................................Mencheres
//////////////////////..................................../////////////////////............................Ratoises
Shepseskaf.........................................Shepseskaf................................Sebercheres
//////////////////////....................................Thampththis...............................Tamphtis

5th Dynasty
Userkaf...............................................Userkaf......................................Usercheres
Sahure................................................Sahure.......................................Sephres
Kakai (Neferirkare)...............................Neferirkare..................................Neferchres...Userkhau
/////////////////////////.................................Shepseskare..............................Cheres
Neferefre.............................................Neferefre.....................................Rathures......Raneferef
Niuserre..............................................Niuserre.....................................Siseres
Menkauhor (Kaiu)................................Menkauhor..................................Mencheres
Djedkare (Isesi)...................................Djed...........................................Tencheres
Unas..................................................Unas..........................................Onnos..........Wenis 

The above list was made by Paulo Riven and is subject to accuracy and/or corrections.
 
Manetho's list;

1st Dynasty........2nd Dynasty.....3rd Dynasty........4th Dynasty......5th Dynasty.............
 
Menes..............Boethos.............Necherofes.........Soris................Usercheres...........      
Athothis...........Kaiechos............Tosorthios...........Suphis.............Sephres................       
Kenkenes.........Binothris............Tyreis.................Suphis..............Nepherchres.........       
Wenefes...........Thias.................Mesochris...........Mencheres........Sisires.................       
Usafais.............Sethenes...........Suphis................Ratoises...........Cheres................       
Miebis..............Chaires..............Toserfasis...........Bicheris.............Rathures           
Semempses.....Nefercheres........Aches................Sebercheres.......Mencheres
.......................Sesochris...........Sephouris...........Tamphtis............Tencheres
.......................Cheneris.............Kerferes.......................................Onnos
.......................Necherophes............................................................       

      
1st Dynasty..........c.3100-2890 BCE
      
Menes (Hor-Aha)
Djer
Wadj (Djet)
Den
Anendjib
Semerkhet
Qa'a
          
2nd Dynasty..........c.2890-2686 BCE
      
Hotepsekhemwy
Raneb
Nynetjer
Seth-Peribsen
Khasekhemwy          
                         
3rd Dynasty..........c.2686-2613 BCE
       
Sanakhte (Nebka) (c.2688-2668)
Djoser (c.2668-2649)
Sekhemkhet (Djoser Teti) (c.2649-2641)
Khaba (c.2641-2637)
Huni (c.2637-2613)

4th Dynasty..........c.2613-2494 BCE       
              
Snofru (c.2613-2589)
Khufu (Cheops) (c.2585-2566)
Djedefre (c.2566-2558)
Khafre (Rekhaf) (c.2558-2532)
Menkaure (Mykerinos) (c.2532-2514)
Shepseskaf (c.2514-2494)
 
5th Dynasty..........c.2494-2345 BCE      
              
Userkaf (c.2494-2487)
Sahure (c.2487-2475)
Neferirkare Userkhau (c.2475-2455)
Shepseskare (c.2455-2448)
Raneferef (c.2448-2445)
Niuserre (c.2445-2421)
Menkauhor (c.2421-2413)
Djedkare (c.2413-2381)
Unas (Wenis) (c.2381-2345)

Turin Canon = 254(Menes+10 prior) + 25 pre-dynastic missing(Turin Sec.I:1-25) = 279 Kings
279/3 = 93.gen.x 100.yrs = 9,300.yrs
9,300 + 526 = 9,826.bC.

Herodotus: 11,340.yrs = 341.kings based on 3 generations = 100.yrs(33.33)
341/3 = 113.67 gen.X 100.yrs = 11,367.yrs
11,367 + 526.= 11,893.bC.

Psammetic III = 526.bC.
Amassis = 570.bC.

Menes = 244 kings = 81.33 gen. x 100 = 8,133.yrs
8,133 + 526 = 8,659.bC.

Modern record.
3200(Menes) - 526 = 2,674.yrs/244 = 10.96.yrs per king

Menes was originaly dated to 3400.bc based on the palermo stone with
an expected future drop of 100 years.*

Herodotus-341 X 10.96 = 3,737.36 + 526 = 4263.36.bC.
Turin Canon-279 x 10.96 = 3,057.84 + 526 = 3,583.84.bC.

Egyptian Calendar = 4241.bC*

2.79 error factor for Herodotus.(11,893/4263.36)

Plato Atlantean era Greece founding = 9,000.yrs./2.79 = 3225.81.yrs
Plato Egypt founding = 8,000.yrs./2.79 = 2867.38.yrs

3225.81 + 570(Amassis) = 3795.81.bC...Athen's Greece founded (Athena)
2867.38 + 570 = 3437.38.bC...Sais,Lower Egypt founded (Neith)

Atlantean War (post greece and egypt's founding) = 3250.bC
Turin Canon - 10 missing kings prior to Menes = 3200 - 3300.bC.
Narmer Palette - 10 Fallen Kings,Double Falcon era(Twins) - 3250.bC
Egyptian Tomb 100 map battle - 3250.bC
Gebel el Arak carved ivory knife battle - 3250.bC
Eye of Ra Destruction of Mankind = Hathor worship = Flood - 3250.bC.
Greek Cycladic Islands Stone(frying pan) map of Atlantis = ca.3000.bC
Sumerian/Gilgamesh flood legend = ca.3000.bC
Aeon and Protogonus,first mortals of Phoenicia = ca.3147.bC
Chaldean/Septuagint flood = 3183.bC

The catch 22 is that it is acceptable for Herodotus to say that 341 kings totalled 11,340 years based on 33.33 generations each, however , the answer is in the length of the kings reigns which is quite different than generations. A prime example of this is the Hebrew count for the 10 generations of Adam to Noah based on the ages that they had sons which was 1656 years to the flood. But the lifespans of the 10 patriarchs totalled 8225 years.

 I am of opinion that this is precisely what Plato wrote in Solon's legend of Atlantis, when the Egyptian Priest stated 9000 yrs, they were referring to generations rather than actual length of rulership as our records of Egypt reveal so far as is known intelligable.
Compare 279 Kings @ 33.33 generations = 9,299.07 years or 244 kings(Menes) = 8,133. years, which clearly reflects the Egyptian Priest (Uadjahor Resne) stating that Egypt was founded 8000 years prior in Plato's(360.bC) preservation of Solon's(564.bC) Atlantis legend from Sais,Egypt in the time when Pharaoh Amassis was seated.

*-Ancient Records of Egypt,James Henry Breasted.Ph.D,Chicago,1906.aD.

BABYLON;

Apollodorus' kings list of Berossus.

1-Alorus of Babylon 10 sari
2-Alaparus-3 sari
3-Amelon of Pantibiblon-13 sari (Amillarus)
4-Ammenon the Chaldean-12 sari
5-Megalarus of Pantibiblon 18 sari
6-Daonus,shepherd from Pantibiblon-10 sari (Daos)
7-Euedorachus from Pantibiblon 18 sari
8-Amempsinus,a Chaldean from Laranche 10 sari
9-Otiartes (Ardates) 8 sari
10-Xisuthrus-18 sari (Sisithrus)
-------Flood-------------

total 120 sari

10 kings = 120 sari = 432,000.yrs
43,200 yrs per king
120 saroi = 432,000 (36,000 x 12)
 3600 x 10 = 36,000
1 sarus = 3,600.yrs (600 x 6)
1 neros = 600.yrs (60 x 10)
1 sossus = 60.yrs (6 x 10)

Mathematicaly,the Babylonian base system of 1,6,10 and 60 is acceptable for the saroi table above as simple tools for counting.
For the Antedeluvian kings of Babylon,the term 120 sari becomes nothing more than a religious myth based on the concept of 2 hands totalling 120 saroi.
(10 fingers x 6 x 2 hands) This was due to the fascination with 6 and 12 that derived from our body parts,(2 arms,2 legs,1 head, 1 body) or (2 eyes,2 ears,1 mouth,1 nose) and the spaces of 3 on the inside of each finger and 2 for the thumbs.

It would be like saying that each finger was 12 saroi(43200yrs) for 1 king totaling 60 saroi per hand(216,000yrs) for the divine 120 saroi.(432,000yrs)
Now Gods may rule 432,000 years in Babylon or 4,320,000,000 years for 1 day of Brahma in India,but humans cannot in mortal form rule 43,200yrs.
We can adapt the indian concept for Babylon that 1 day would equal 1 God's year totaling 1183.56 human years for 120 saroi of 432,000yrs which would equal 9.86 years per sari. The oldest king being 18 sari would have been 177.48 years,so we can see this still seems incorrect. If we take our 9.86 years and divide it by our Herodotus factor of 2.79 yrs, we get 3.5 yrs per sari which gives 63 years rule for the oldest king of 18 sari.

In reality,the humor is that in respect of the kings,the sari is actualy only 1 year,totaling a modest 120 years for 10 kings rulership which we can compare to the modern average of 10.96 years for our Egyptian kings lists. The rest is just divine fantasy for the basal 6.
As compared to the chart below and a 2.79 divisable error factor for Herodotus' account of Egyptian kings, we can visualize that 1 sari is actualy only 1 year for the 10 antedeluvian kings of Babylon.

10 x 10.96 = 109.6 yrs
10/3 gen.= 3.33 x 100 = 333 yrs
333/2.79 = 119.35 yrs

But let us say that since each king sits on 1 of our fingers of 3 spaces to reveal the mystic secret of Babylon,that 3 should be our base of memory for transforming the antedeluvian kings. This would then be 30,9,39,36,54,30,54,30,24 and 54 for Xisuthrus totaling 360 years or a respectable 36 years per king which would also compare to the common statement of 3 generations is equal to 100 years by Herodotus,Solon or Plato to name a few great thinkers.

If we add the flood date of 3250.bC to 360 = 3610.bC for the first king Alorus of Babylon.

Alexander Polyhistor stated that there were some 86 kings after Xisuthrus to the Medes invasion of Babylon. 86 x 30 = 2580 + 620 = 3200.bC.
622-608 Cyaxares the mede takes Nineveh.(ca.620.bC).
86/3 = 28.67 gen.x 100 = 2867 + 620 = 3487.bC.


PHOENICIA;

A 30 year generation comparison for the Phoenician myth from Cadmus by Paulo Riven.
As being told by Eusebius of Caesarea.

Wind Colpias and wife Baau(Night).......................................3177.bC
Aeon and Protogonus.(Aeon finds food from trees).................3147..first mortals
Genos and Genea...............................................................3117..Phoenicia inhabited
Sun worshipped as Beelsamen(lord of Heaven)......................3087..Zeus in Greek
Light,Fire and Flame.(children of Aeon/Protogonus)...............3057.. fire by rubbing wooden sticks
Cassius,Libanus,Antilibanus,Brathy(Giants)..........................3027..mountains named by dwelling
Memrumus,Hypsuranius,Ousous.........................................2997..
Hypsuranius settles Tyre.....................................................2967..Tyre settled with reed huts
Ousous first to sail,consecrates 2 pillars of fire and wind........2937..animal skin clothes
Agreus and Halieus.(race of Hypsuranius).............................2907..huntsmen and fishermen
Chrysor(Priest,Hephaestus,Zeus Meilichios)first to voyage.....2877..metallurgy,iron
Technites(Artificer),Geinos Autochthon(self born of earth).......2847..straw and clay bricks,roofs
Agros,Agrueros(Agrotes).greatest God for Byblos..................2817..Byblos settled
Aletae and Titans................................................................2787..husbandmen and huntsmen
Amynos and Magus............................................................2757..villages and sheepfolds
Misor(straight) and Suduc(just)............................................2727..invented the use of salt
Taautus.(Thoth,Thoyth,Hermes),son of Misor,alphabet...........2697..later deified as God Tauthus.
Dioscuri,Cabeiri,Corybantes,Samothraces(of Suduc),............2667..first ships built
Elioun(most high) and Beruth(f),dwell near Byblos.................2637..herbs,healing and charms
Epigeius(Autochthon,Uranus) and Ge(Earth,f).......................2607..star named Uranus
Elus(Kronos),Baetylus,Dagon(Siton)and Atlas.......................2577..Kronos and Atlas born
Hermes Trismegistus..(secretary to Kronos).........................2547..
Persephone(f)and Athena(f).daughters of Kronos...................2517..Athena born
War of Uranus by Kronos.(advisor Hermes Trismegistus).......2487..First civil war
Demarus,(son of Uranus' concubine who married Dagon)........2457..
Kronos builds wall around Byblos as the First City................2427..Byblos becomes first City
Kronos buries brother Atlas in deep pit.................................2397..advisor Hermes Trismegistus
Dioscuri build rafts and ships,land near Mt.Cassius...............2367..first Temple near Mt.Cassius
Eloim and Kronii.(Allies of Kronus).......................................2337..
Sadidus and sister slain by father Kronos.............................2307..
Astarte,Rhea(Ehea) and Dione sent by Uranus vs Kronos......2277..retained as wives by Kronos.
Eimarmene,Hora and Allies sent by Uranus vs Kronos...........2247..retained by Kronos.
Baetylia,(living stones created by Uranus)............................2217..
7 Daughters called Titanides or Artemides............................2187..born to Kronos and Astarte
7 Sons born,youngest deified..............................................2157..born to Kronos and Rhea
Dione(f)is deified.................................................................2127..
Desire and Love(sons of Astarte).........................................2097..
Dagon called Zeus Arotrios.................................................2067..discovery of corn and plough
Asclepius..(born to Suduc and Titanide)...............................2037..
Zeus Belus,KronosII,Apollo..(born in Perae to Kronos)..........2007..Zeus Belus and Apollo born
Nereus..(son of Zeus Belus)...............................................1977..
Pontus(son of Nereus) and Typhon.....................................1947..
Sidon(f)and Poseidon..(children of Pontus)..........................1917..Sidon founded
Melcathrus.(Hercules),son of Demarus...............................1887..Hercules
Uranus and Demarus wage war on Pontus..........................1857..war in mediterranean sea
32nd year of Kronos reign,he slays father Uranus................1827..inland near fountains and rivers
Astarte,Zeus Demarus and Adodus(king of Gods)................1797..rule Phoenicia by Kronos
Astarte sets bull head on her head as royalty(Amphitrite).....1767..sets star on holy island of Tyre
Kronos gives Attica to his daughter Athena.........................1737..Attica founded
Kronos sacrifices his son as a burnt offering to Uranus.........1707..circumcises himself and allies
Muth,(Thanatos or Pluto),dies and is deified........................1677..son of Kronos and Rhea
City of Byblos given to Dione by Kronos..............................1647..Dione called goddess Baaltis
City of Berytus given to Poseidon,Cabeiri,Agrotae,Halieis..1617..consecration of Pontus at Berytus
God Tauthus(Thoth,Hermes),given Egypt by Kronos............1587..gods preserved and organized
Ledud,only son of Kronos and nymph of country Anobret.....1557..sacrificed on Altar
Kronos deified as star Saturn............................................1527..
Thabion (first Heirophant of Phoenicia) alters myths............1497..mysteries,prophets,foreigners
Eisirius and Chna(Phoenix)...............................................1467..
Cadmus..........................................................................1437.bC.

Records preserved by Suduc's 7 sons the Cabeiri and 8th brother Asclepius by order of Tauthus
Gods Sourmoubelos and Thuro(Eusarthis).rescue theology of Tauthus(Thoth)

Sanchuniathon of Berytus...(said to have lived prior to the Trojan war)
Hierombalus,priest of God Ieuo (Jeuo/Yeuo),gives records to Sanchuniathon
Sanchuniathon's works dedicated to King Abibalus of Berytus
Abibalus,father of Hiram,975-1000
Abibalus(Jabin)king of Asor,1111-1116
Semiramis, Queen of Assyria (750-800.bC)?
Sanchuniathon was inspired to seek the records of Thoth(Taautus)
Secret writings of Ammoneans

Translated into Greek by Philo of Byblos in 9 Books.
Philo Biblius....Paradoxical History...3 books
Philo Byblius....History of the Jews

Porphyry the Philosopher,Against The Christians,Book IV,verifies Sanchuniathon's history
Eusibius of Caesarea; Preparatio Evangelica,(Preparation for the Gospel) Book 1
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BIBLICAL;

Name......Father age..Life Age

Adam.........130^......930*
Seth...........105.......912
Enos............90.......905
Cainan.........70.......910
Malaleel.......65.......895
Jared..........162.......962
Henoch........65.......365
Mathusala...187......969
Lamech......182.......777
Noah..........500.......600

Total ......1,656....8,225 hebrew years

*Cain and Abel,the first sons of Adam are missing.?

_________________________2_________3_______4________5_________6__________8
1)adam  0..130^..235"..930*..(112)..1042.(98)..1140.(95)..1235.(55).1290.(132).1422.(+234).1656.
2)seth...........0...105^...195"...800'..........912*
3)enos..................0.....90^...160"..........807'.......905*
4)cainan........................0.....70^..........135".......815'.......910*
5)malaleel..............................0............65^.......227".......840'.......895*
6)Jared..................................................0........162^.......227".......830'.........962*
7)henoch.............................................................0.........65^.......252"..365*...
8)mathusala.....................................................................0........187^..300'...369"...(735+)...969*
9)lamech.......................................................................................0............182^....682"....777*
10)noah...0.....500^....600*
...Sem..0.....100*
^ age became a Father
" age became a Grandfather
' age when father died
* end of life
(...) yrs son lived on
+ age of mathasula when grandfather Jared died (his father henoch died young)
-mathusala lived 5 years longer than his son lamech

Hebrew: 1,656 years to the flood
Samaritan: 1,307 years to the flood
Chaldean: 2,242 years to the flood

Masoteric text places the flood in b.C.2350 (Klaproth),the Samaritan in 2903,the Septuagint in 3134.

Hebrew - 1656 + 2350 = 4006.bC for Creation
Samaritan - 1307 + 2903 = 4210
Chaldean - 2242 + 3134 = 5376

(I forget who the source of this quote is at present-Riven.)
"From Adam to the flood: 2242 years; from the flood to the building of the tower, 525 years; from the building of the tower until Abraham 425; from Abraham until the Exodus of the sons of Israel from Egypt, 430; from the Exodus to the building of the Temple of Solomon 757 years; from the building of the temple to the captivity of Israel 425. Altogether 4880 years.[4] From the captivity to king Alexander 318; from Alexander to Christ our God 303. Altogether 5500 years.[5] And from Christ to Constantine the Great 318; from Constantine to Michael, son of Theophilos, 555. The whole span altogether 6375 years.[6]"

5425 adam
3183 flood
2658 babel
2233 abraham
1803 exodus
1046 temple
621 is.captive
303 - alexander
0-Jesus Christ

adam......5487 (chaldean)
flood.....3245
babel.....2720
abraham...2295
abraham...2220 (75 yrs old)
exodus....1790
temple....1033
captivity..608
alexander..330 (278 cap-alex)
Jesus Christ...27.bC.
-------------------------------------------------------
Atlantis________Egypt*______Babylon___(revised by Riven)__Bible

Atlas__________3610.bC____Alorus_______30______Adam.......43^...116*
Gadeiros________***________Alaparus______9______Seth.........35....114
Ampheres______3538.bC____Amelon______39______Enos........30....113
Evaemon._______***________Ammenon____36______Cainan......23....113
Mneseus_______3466.bC____Megalarus____54______Malaleel...21....111
Autochthon______***________Daonus______30______Jared........54....120
Elasippus______3394.bC____Euedorachus__54______Henoch.....21......45
Mestor__________***________Amempsinus_30______Mathusala..62....121
Azaes_________3322.bC____Otiartes______24______Lamech......60.....97
Diaprepes_______***________Xisuthrus_____54______Noah........100....120
------------------------------------------------------------------360 yrs------------------..449---1070

---------HATHOR BULL WORSHIP------FLOOD 3250.bC.------------
*10 missing Egyptian kings prior to Pharaoh Menes (Turin Canon/Narmer Palette/Palermo Stone)
Age of Taurus = 2000-4000.bC.
341 Egyptian kings/3 = 113.67.gen. x 100 = 11,367 + 526 = 11893./2.79 = 4262.72.bC
4263.bc - 3250 = maximum of 1013 years available for Antedeluvian kings.(generations)
1013/2.79 = 363./10 kings = 36. years allowable for maximum length of rule.

Paulo Riven. 8491.aJA.(2009.aD.Mn.)       
AeJor Mn (PJTCM)
SaJaRa
Wednesday,January 21,2009



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Boreas on February 03, 2009, 06:27:22 pm
Wow - that's a great piece of work.  :D

Congratulations Riven, - this completion is definitly a mile-stone in Egyptolgy.

Great to see you back on the air, too.  8)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 04, 2009, 01:39:29 am
Thankyou Boreas;

 The basis of the work was to show evidence for the Atlantean war having occured prior to 3200.bC and possibly ending because of the Biblical flood. The critias speaks of Atlantis sinking at the 3rd flood before Deukalion which was also referenced as the "Extraordinary inundation" and "the greatest flood of all". In AR,Georgeos is still adamant that the war occured in the time of Cecrops ca 1500.bC because the priest said that in the narrative of the war that he mentioned names prior to Theseus like Cecrops and Erichthonios,etc.

This statement does not directly say that those kings actualy fought in the war, only that their names were mentioned during the narrative leading to the war. To further prove that those kings did not fight in the Atlantean war, I tried explaining to Georgeos that Solon could recount the history of Greece upto Phoroneus ca 1800.bC, but he could not tell us about the Atlantean war upon which the priest called the greeks as children with no knowledge of their histories. To me, it is clear that the war was in fact prior to Phoroneus, but Georgeos is,well you know.

He's also trying to say that 9000 years passed and then was the war which contradicts Critias saying that 9000 years was the sum "since" the war took place.

In part also due to the paper above on the kings, I came to the conclusion that the terms 9000 and 8000 were being spoken of as generations. This makes perfect sense and also compliments the founding of Sais, the Turin canon list of kings, a great flood prior to Deukalion and also prior to Phoroneus.

The priest also said that Atlantis attacked Greece and Egypt which should mean that the war took place after the 8000 year founding of Sais which would provide a comfortable time between 3500-3200 for the Atlantean war at the forefront of the bronze age.

Many people have a difficult time accepting the 9000 year date with the advanced civilization as described in the critias. I am sure that this new generation theory will prove formidable and more comforting to accept the description of Atlantis as told in Critias.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Poseidon on February 04, 2009, 07:18:00 am
Welcome back to the forum, Riven, the futility of arguing with Georgeos is well known.  He has his ideas, and he tends to fit the facts to conform with his already preconceived notions.

It has always occurred to me that the reference to the kings of Athens relates more to a time of the oldest Greek memories, not a literal point in their history.  After all, the three Greek kings are mythological.  Since each is placed in a different era, there is no way that they could have actually fought in the war, nor does Plato actually state that they did either.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 05, 2009, 12:49:47 am
Thankyou poseidon.

Yes,it is rather obvious that Solon told the priest everything he knew upto Phoroneus ca1800.bC, so the war had to be before that time.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Helios on February 06, 2009, 10:38:19 pm
Hello Riven, and welcome back.  Is your website still up, by the way?  I believe I tried to visit it not to long ago and didn't find it open.  Maybe I had the wrong address. 
Quote
The critias speaks of Atlantis sinking at the 3rd flood before Deukalion which was also referenced as the "Extraordinary inundation" and "the greatest flood of all".

This passage is both a bit confusing and contradictory.  I have always taken the flood of Deucalion to be the one that emanated from the Santorini explosion.  Perhaps I am wrong, but that would seem to coincide with the settling of Athens.  If it was the third such flood, than that would also mean that Greek memory stretches back further than we know it to be.  Does anyone know what the other three floods were?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 07, 2009, 12:46:21 am
Yes,at times I also believe the Deukalion flood may have been the Santorini,Thera tsunami caused by the eruption and earthquakes ca.1628.bC. It seems funny that the Deukalion flood parallels the biblical flood which would mean that this tale of the myth would have had to been fabricated after the bible was being translated into septuagint greek ca450.bC or that if it did arise prior to the bible then it would have had to come from the gilgamesh or sumerian flood epic.

In my opinion the text says the 3rd flood before Deukalion where others like Atalante and Georgeos say that it was the 3rd and final flood before Deukalion.

We have to remember that the Egyptian priest is teaching Greece about it's histories of which they only could remember the Deukalion flood and upto the time of Phoroneus.
This was when the priest said that they only remember one deluge,but there have been many previous ones.

The flood of Ogyges appears to be the main greek flood remembered prior to Deukalion if such a flood was in fact recorded by the Greeks. There is some controversy around this which suggests it happened after Deukalion and also that the term Ogyges simply meant ancient or primeval where I think it was mentioned in Plato's Laws but is not mentioned as 10,000 years ago as some suggest of Plato's Laws.

It appears that the biblical flood correctly dated around 3250.bC as I am trying to establish could be this 3rd and greatest flood prior to Deukalion which also destroyed Atlantis.

In a sense we could say; Biblical Flood, Ogyges Flood, Deukalion flood.

No, my website is not up and running.

Thanks Helios


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Helios on February 08, 2009, 12:47:08 am
Riven, I think that we are still short one flood.  I believe that Plato suggests three floods prior to Deucalion.  I have never given much thought to it before, but I believe that Plato in the Laws, suggest that the flood of Ogyges occurred ten thousand years before his time.

I am disappointed that your website is down.  However, if you would like to post any material that was on it, there is a free hosting site called www.photobucket.com that will host your graphics and pictures.  Membership is also free, if you're interested.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 08, 2009, 03:07:01 am
It may be a slight oversight on your part Helios, but I'm pretty sure as mentioned above, that Plato makes no such mention of 10,000 years prior to him was the flood of Ogyges. He does mention a flood of Ogyges.

It's difficult to say what exactly are the 3 floods Helios.

I first suggested;
Atlantean Flood -6482.bC
Flood of Hathor -3250.bC (Egypt)
Biblical flood-2350
Deukalion flood-1450.

That would place the Atlantean flood as the third before.

There was also a flood of Dardanus, unless that's the same flood as Deukalion.

Basicaly we would have this list to juggle;

Atlantean Flood -6482/3250?
Flood of Hathor -3250?
Chaldean flood -3134
Gilgamesh flood-2700?
Biblical flood-2350
Ogyges flood-1868?
Santorini,Thera flood -1628
Deukalion flood-1450
Dardanus flood-1380?

As we understand,the biblical floods, although they sound the same for self glorification obviously generating from the eldest, could still be major floods for those cultures as Deukalion also suggests or the Egyptian priest who said that there were many deluges.

For now I would say;

Atlantean flood
Biblical flood
Santorini flood
Deukalion

It's also difficult to say for sure if we should join Deukalion to Santorini or Santorini to Ogyges or Ogyges to the biblical flood.
For now,I am trying to determine if the biblical flood,hathor flood and atlantean flood are all the same.

In any case,we should wear flood pants and high rubber boots and bring a pail of yellow rubber duckies!

Thanks Helios






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Helios on February 08, 2009, 11:10:14 pm
Quote
It may be a slight oversight on your part Helios, but I'm pretty sure as mentioned above, that Plato makes no such mention of 10,000 years prior to him was the flood of Ogyges. He does mention a flood of Ogyges.

He doesn't literally mention the flood of Ogyges, you are certainly right about that (in fact, I did a search through both the Laws, Timaeus and Critias and actually didn't see Ogyges mentioned at all).  However, as we have mentioned, he sets the Atlantis deluge clearly in the timeframe of 9000 years prior to Solon.

A comprehensive list of deluges you have listed, we have to ask ourselves, which one did the Greeks consider their greatest?

Quote
In any case,we should wear flood pants and high rubber boots and bring a pail of yellow rubber duckies!

I have actually developed great sympathy for the Greeks and all the floods they experienced, as well as the recent plight of the planet when it comes to global warming. My basement has been flooded numerous times over the last year.  When I think of how water has a tendency to ruin things in a modern society, I can only imagine how much damage it could have done to a Bronze Age and Neolithic society. 


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 09, 2009, 06:46:37 pm
Helios;

I incorrectly stated a flood of Danaus which should have been a flood of Dardanus after Deukalion ca1380.bC.
The flood of Deukalion would be the main flood remembered by Greeks which the Egyptian priest also commented that this was the only deluge remembered by the greeks.

If your basement is flooding through your floor drain, a backwater valve should remedy the problem,although I am sure you are already aware of that.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Helios on February 12, 2009, 10:31:11 pm
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The flood of Deukalion would be the main flood remembered by Greeks which the Egyptian priest also commented that this was the only deluge remembered by the greeks.

Yes, the Egyptian priest clearly states that the Greeks only have memory of the flood of Deucalion, and no other.  Obviously, the Atlantis flood was many years prior to Deucalion, even in the context of Timaeus.

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If your basement is flooding through your floor drain, a backwater valve should remedy the problem,although I am sure you are already aware of that.


Thanks for the suggestion, I will look into it.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 13, 2009, 10:30:25 pm
Here's an excellent site on Libya called Temehu.

Brief history & prehistory of Libya

http://www.temehu.com/History-of-Libya.htm#Libyan-Tannit

The Temehu tribes of Ancient Libya

http://www.temehu.com/Temehu.htm

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The Delta was called Tameh'et , one interpretation of which is 'the lotus land', just as pictured by its hieroglyph of three lotus flowers rising from a circle (the sign for 'city'). In connection with Meh' , a mention must be made of the Seven Wise Ones of the goddess Meh'-urt , who came from water at the feet of Nu or Nun, and who, in very early times, resided over the “ weighing of words ” in the Hall of Meh'-urt and thus rightly identified with Libyan Maat and Neith . This simple fact was known to many scholars and Egyptologists, like Sir Alan Gardiner who has noted that the name of the Libyan tribe Temeh'w means “ Lower Egypt ” as well as the “ Delta ” , whence mh's “ the crown of Lower Egypt ” . The ancient Egyptian Timhy (Tymhy) Stone of Wawat, found in one of the Egyptian lists of royal gifts, may indicate that the stones were of a particular type purveyed to the Egyptian by the Temehu. G. W. Murray (The Road to Chephren's Quarries) relates that the Temehu Libyans were employed in the labour gangs at the quarries; while other sources affirmed that the Temehu were famous for being skilled stone workers and that the monuments built of polygonal masonry in Cyrenaica were the work of the Temehu people whom often referred to as “the Westerners” ('those who dwell west of the Nile'). The name was also mentioned as Henet-Temehu , the princess daughter of Thenet-Hep , the wife of Ahmose I, which further illustrates the Libyan element in the Egyptian dynasties.

The Libyan struggle to free the taken land of Neith is pre-dynastic in nature, and their recent pact with the maritime bandits, who came to plunder Egypt as others had done before and after, was no more than another tactic in their long war against the armies of the conquering pharaohs. There was never such a thing as Libyan Invasion (or invasions); they only appear so if they were mentioned in isolation, by the enemy, of course. To be fairer to the truth, from the extant preserved material one can safely ascertain the pharaohs to have been the invaders of the region, who, as told by their own history, forcibly unified Libyan Lower Egypt and Nubian Upper Egypt into what is known as Egypt: the House of Libyan Ptah. This was the subject of several studies including the one presented at The Symposium On " Libya Antiqua " , held in Paris between the 16th and the 18th of January 1984, and titled: " The Tehenu In The Egyptian Records " . The paper, written by A.H.S. El-Mosallamy and prepared at the request of the Unesco, told us nothing we do not already know, but nonetheless it was a recent summary of the basic facts put forward in the last century by Petrie, Breasted, Bates, Galassi, Maspero, Borchardt and many others whom history had practically forgotten, and was largely drawn from the ancient records preserved by Eratosthenes, Manetho, Plutarch, Plato, Herodotus, Diodorus and the ancient Egyptian records, as those of the pyramid papyri of Berber Unas (or Unis: the god who swallowed all the gods).

The pre-dynastic existence of the Temehu and the Tehenu is ascertained from several facts, the most important of which is the Palermo Stone , the oldest document in the world, which preserves a long list of pre-Dynastic Libyan kings & queens of Lower Egypt before its invasion by the pharaohs. The Delta city of Sais was the centre of the worship of the Libyan Goddess Neith and most scholars generally agree that the inhabitants of Sais were mostly of Libyan Berber origin. Other Libyan Delta cults included those of the Libyan Cat-Goddess Bast at Bubastis, and Osiris & Isis at Buziris, who went on to dominate the Egyptian and Roman pantheons, and even survive to the present day in Europe as the secret cults of Isis & Osiris. It is therefore generally concluded that the Berber Tehenu tribes were the natives of the Egyptian Delta long before the menace of Menes , who forcibly unified Egypt and invaded the Tehenu territories in the north and the Temehu's and Nubian's in the south about 3100 BC (or 3400 BC according to other sources).


Then we have the Egyptian pre-dynastic records such as the inscriptions found in Neith's temples, showing the usual Libyan signs and Neith's tattoos as well as the names of queens and princesses, which usually contained the element Net or Nit; Narmer's ivory cylinder commemorating his so called victory over the Libyans; the pre-dynastic Kerki knife bearing similar representations of pre-dynastic Libyans as those of the later Egyptians; and, of course, the name " Tehenu " itself, found on King Scorpion's statue (ca. 3300 BC), from which respected Egyptologists convincingly deduced that the struggle between the ancient Libyans and the Egyptians goes back to pre-dynastic times, as pointed out by both Breasted (1906) and Bates (1914), and also to the beginning of the Northern Kingdom of the Delta when the invading pharaohs were forcibly trying to unify the two kingdoms: the northern Libyan Lower Egypt and the southern Nubian Upper Egypt. This means that if the wars of the Tehenu-Temehu and the Egyptians were pre-dynastic, then the existence of the Tehenu and the Temehu people in Egypt surely goes even farther back in time.

This conclusion is also supported, in addition to the above Egyptian genealogy which classifies all Libyans as Temehu or Temehw (e.g., modern Temaheq or Tuareg), by the fact that several scholars generally agree that the Egyptians always referred to the Tehenu and the Temehu with titles indicating their nativity to the region and not as foreigners; and by the fact that the Egyptians were indeed very careful not adopt any foreign gods and as such their adoption of the Libyan Neith, Amon, Bast, Sekhmet, Set and many others is a strong indicator that they did not consider the Libyans as " foreigners " . The established Libyan royal line of kings and queens in the Delta during and after the invasions of Menes, and the disputed royal lines of the Palermo Stone, are also a good example of this. Of course, there is one thing almost everyone fails to mention, and that is there is hardly any serious studies exploring Libyan history and as such Libyan history remains to be written. If the amount of work and volumes produced in relation to Egypt or Greece were also produced in relation to Libya, a totally new world would emerge from the bottom of the Libyan desert.

Hence Neith's Temple in the Delta (at Sais) bore the name of " House of the king of Lower Egypt " , and the Egyptian " uraeus " serpent was deduced, from a scene of four Libyans in Sahure's temple at Abusir, to have been descended from an early Libyan king of the Delta. In addition to the Delta, the Tehenu of Lower Egypt were also the inhabitant of the Fayyum and the other oases of the region. In fact, these Berber oases were not invaded by the pharoahs until the time of the New Empire, and were not totally colonised by the pharaohs until the time of Ramses III, aginst whom the Libyans became known for their attacks on Egypt. Breasted asserts that these oases dwellers, from which the Egyptians of Hatshepsut extracted much tribute, were none other than the Libyan Tehenu of the Delta. The Temehu's territories, however, began immediately south of the Tehenu's and extended all the way down to Middle Nubia - an area where Oric Bates, during his short life, conducted an extensive study of its cemeteries and came to conclude that the Nubians and the Libyans were more related than previously thought, and thus the Temehu Berbers were also known to archaeologists as " the C-Group of Nubia " . Even today, the Arabs of modern Egypt call the Nubians " Barabera " .


From the first dynasty onwards the Libyans continued their attempts to reclaim Lower Egypt. During the start of the dynastic period the name Tehenu was found inscribed on the Narmar (or Narmer) Plate and also reappeared during the second and the third dynasties (2778- 2723 BC), when, according to Manetho, the Libyans continued the struggle against the invading pharaohs and particularly against the pharaoh Nefer-Ka-Re. Then during the fourth dynasty the pharaoh Snefru reportedly took 11,000 Libyans as prisoners of war. All these facts are not a figment of the imagination but an important part of human's early history, which has been largely ignored and even suppressed. In fact the wars were so rife during this early period that they were brought to a temporary lull during the Old Kingdom by king Khufu (Greek Cheops), the second king of the 4th Dynasty (ca. 2613-2494 BC) and the builder of the great pyramid of Giza. Apparently king Khufu married a Libyan princess in order to bring peace to the region so that he could concentrate on his monumental work.

" Bringing peace to the region " , " during the building of the great pyramid of Giza " , " so that he can concentrate on his work " is not a sign of 'menace', but a powerful indicator of the long conflict between the Libyans and Egyptians right from the start, and long before the recent Shishenq and Tefnakht returned to continue the work of the ancestors!

Khufu's attempts, however, were not fully successful, as we are told that both the kings Sahu-Ra and Ni-User-Ra (of the fifth dynasty) continued to brag about defeating the Libyan armies and about the bounty they brought as offerings to their divine fathers. This means that the wars were almost continuous from pre-dynastic times right down to the Middle Kingdom (ca. 2200-1700 BC), during which the Egyptian pharaohs managed to regain the upper hand and extracted tribute from the Libyans; and as a result a large number of Berbers served in the army of the pharaohs, and some even rose to high positions in the palace; probably, eventually leading the Libyans to regain control over Egypt about (ca. 945 BC), when the Libyan Berber king Shishenq succeeded in establishing the 22nd Dynasty and thereby starting what narrow-minded Egyptologists know as " The Libyan Period " . The ancient Temehu tribes were among the allied tribes of the powerful Berber Meshwash (Meshwesh), the subjects of Shishenq, who ransacked Jerusalem during his reign as king of Egypt. The fact that the allied tribes included several Berber groups, like the Ribu and the Tehenu of eastern Libya, illustrates a common cause to liberate rather than invade one's land. A few dynasties later, Berber Tefnakht , the chieftain of Neith's Sais and the king and founder of the 24th dynasty (722 - 715 BC), attempted to gain control over the whole of Egypt; but after acquiring Memphis and proceeding southward to Heracleopolis, he was met by the Cushite Piankhi and eventually lost in 713–712 BC to Shabaka, the founder of the Nubian 25th dynasty.

And then, there is another interesting point rarely mentioned but by a few respected scholars: the pharaohs were in the habit of chiseling out most of the references they did not wish to survive and thus censorship is not that new. They were also in the habit of inscribing only their victories and rarely had the courage to catalogue their defeats and therefore all the references to the Libyans were closely tied to the word: " defeat " . Expectedly, there was no mention of Libyan victory (or victories). For instance we have evidence showing the blunt removal of the name of the Libyan God Amen from several stone engravings after the Akhnaten revolution, during which Amen was replaced by Aten. To refer to this rich period of Berber history as " the Libyan invasion " does not necessarily represent the truth, and it is strongly advised that students of Libya should always refrain from depending on established sources alone. [A good example of this is the Palermo Stone saga!]



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 15, 2009, 04:55:12 am
DECODING HERODOTUS BY AEJOR MN (PAULO RIVEN)

Herodotus: 11,340.yrs = 341.kings based on 3 generations = 100.yrs(33.33)
341/3 = 113.67 gen.X 100.yrs = 11,367.yrs
11,367 + 526.= 11,893.bC.

Menes = 244 kings = 81.33 gen. x 100 = 8,133.yrs
8,133 + 526 = 8,659.bC.

Modern record.
3200(Menes) - 526 = 2,674.yrs/244 = 10.96.yrs per king

Herodotus; -341 X 10.96 = 3737.36 + 526 = 4263.36.bC.
Turin Canon-279 x 10.96 = 3057.84 + 526 = 3583.84.bC.(35 missing kings prior Menes)
   "   "   -254 x 10.96 = 2783.84 + 526 = 3309.84 (10 missing kings prior Menes)
   "   "   -244 x 10.96 = 2674.24 + 526 = 3200.24

2.79 error factor for Herodotus.(11,893/4263.36)

Psammetic III = 526.bC.
Amassis = 570.bC.

PLATO'S ATLANTIS;

Plato Athens,Greece founding = 9,000.yrs./2.79 = 3225.81.yrs
Plato Sais,Egypt founding = 8,000.yrs./2.79 = 2867.38.yrs

3225.81 + 570 = 3795.81.bC...Athen's Greece founded (Athena)
2867.38 + 570 = 3437.38.bC...Sais,Lower Egypt founded (Neith)

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EUSEBIUS AND MANETHO

24,900 lunar / 2206 solar = 11.29 factor of conversion from Lunar to Solar

GODS; Ptah(Hephaestus) to Bidis-13,900 lunar years(30 day months) - /11.29 = 1231.2 solar years

DEMI-GODS;..........................1,255 / 11.29 = 111.16
OTHER KINGS;......................1,817 / 11.29 = 160.94
30 MEMPHIS KINGS;.............1,790 / 11.29 = 158.55
10 THINIS KINGS;.....................350 / 11.29 = 31
SHADES AND DEMI GODS;...5,813 / 11.29 = 514.9

TOTAL;.................11,025 / 11.29 = 976.55 solar
GODS;.................13,900 / 11.29 = 1231.2

TOTAL ....24,925 / 11.29 = 2207.75 SOLAR YEARS

PTAH....HEPHAESTUS
AMON....SOL (SUN)
THOTH...AGATHODAEMON (HERMES)
GEB.....CRONUS
OSIRIS..ZEUS DIONYSIOS
SET.....TYPHON
HORUS...APOLLO
KINGS
BIDIS
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ATLANTEAN CHRONOLOGIES BY AEJOR MN (PAULO RIVEN)

AETERNAL FATHER CREATOR AEJON..6482.bc
2ND GARDEN OF CREATION..................6435....Tansania,Avila(Africa)
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EGYPTIAN GODS..1231.2.yrs..5495.bC(Hephaestus)..(2242 CHALDEAN YEARS TO FLOOD)
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+87.KINGS.(954yrs)..DEMI-GODS....4264...-Atlantean Delta Empire
......................................................4241...-Egyptian Calendar
......................................................3795....Athen's Greece founded
......................................................3437...-Sais founded,Delta
.........................................Atlantean war begins.........................
254.KINGS......................................3310...-Atlantean Libyan Mareia,Delta,L.E.3rd nome

........Atlantean war ends,Atlantis island sinks,mediterranean cultures perish.................
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*********DELUGE FLOOD................3253.bC....DELUGE FLOOD************
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Pharaoh Menes.(244th)...................3200...-Egyptian Dynasty I,Upper Egypt
Psammetic III...................................526.bC.
..........................................................0....Jesus The Son of God
.........................................Feb.15th,2009.aD.(8491.aJA)..today's date.
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341 Kings(Herodotus)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 15, 2009, 06:58:43 pm
Here is a good website that I found today which will answer most of your geological or scientific questions of why I propose the biblical flood to 3253.bC. In the course of my research two key dates stand out,6482.bC and 3253.bC which ironicaly in either event,the Heckla Volcano erupted around each era. It shows a cycle of 3229 years for great catastrophes upon Earth perhaps caused by a slight earthshift or stall of rotation. Herodotus stated that the egyptian priests of Heliopolis told him that in the span of some 11,000 years, that twice the sun set where it rose and rose where it set. Since it is us who revolve around the sun,then this phenomena can only be caused by one of those two events mentioned above. In either event,egypt was spared from great catastrophes which is why we look to them for historical records that were able to survive when others had to start over like children.

Herodotus also mentioned that he noted seashells and salt stains on the pyramids which also indicates evidence for a great flood and that the pyramid was built prior to this flood.

Something that Robert Schoch and John West should have accounted for in their dating research of the sphinx which would have accelerated the erosion.


Climate, Culture, and Catastrophe in the Ancient World

http://www.stanford.edu/~meehan/donnellyr/summary.html

What on Earth Happened in 3200 BC?

http://www.stanford.edu/~meehan/donnellyr/paleo.html

3000 BC: A Scientific Index, sorted by chronological time

http://www.stanford.edu/~meehan/donnellyr/3000ind.html

 
13000 Global, End of Ice Age (warmer)
10500 Global, Younger Dryas (colder)
9500 Global, Younger Dryas (warmer)
8100 Global, Severe cold snap (colder)
8000  Eden in Egypt (warm)
6200 Greenland, Donnelly Atlantis (cold)
6000 mesopotamia, Mesopotamia delta (sea level)
5000 Global, GISP2 team, the latest from (cold)
4850 California, Warmest time, (bristlecone pines,) (warm)
4500 Territorial control and mound building (warm)
4000 Ireland, Irish elm decline (cold)
4000 Europe, Atlantic hypsithermal (warm)
4000  Holocene delta development worldwide (sea level)
4000 Mesopotamia, Mesopotamia delta (sea level)
4000 Mesopotamia, Sea level, Persian Gulf (sea level)
3700 Mesopotamia, Burrows' flood, (flood)
3600 California, Central coast (warm, dry)
3500 Europe, Upper treeline in alps (cold)
3500 Europe, Early agriculture (archeology)
3500  Han River delta (sea level)
3500 China, Han River delta (sea level)
3500 Fiji, Fiji sea level (sea level)
3500 Mesopotamia, Leonard Woolley's flood (flood)
3500 Morocco, Arid interval (dry)
3500 mesopotamia, Tigris and Euphrates alluvial plain (sea level)
3500 Global, Holocene delta development worldwide (sea level)
3500 South Carolina, South Carolina sea level (sea level)
3400 Egypt, Pharoah Sneferu at Meydum (archeology)
3400 Mississippi, Mississippi delta (flood)
3300 Europe, Belgian coast (sea level)
3300 Global, July summer cooling, Soviet Union (cold)
3300 California, Mid Holocene wet (warm, cold)
3300 California, San Francisquito Bay (sea level)
3270 New England, Elm collapse (cold)
3250 Europe, Piora oscillation, Europe (flood)
3250 Europe, Newgrange start (archeology)
3250 Global, Atmospheric methane (cold, warm)
3250 Global, Sulfate in GISP2 (cold)
3250 Global, Stormy weather (flood)
3250 Egypt, Egypt Nile delta (sea level)
3250 New England, Hemlock decline New England (cold)
3250 Florida, Pine bursts (cold)
3250 Peru, Huascaran glacier (cold)
3250 California, Santa Barbara basin off the coast (cold)
3212 Europe, French coastal megaliths (archeology)
3200 Ireland, Cessair (flood myth)
3200 Mesopotamia, Tigris-Euphratres (warm, dry)
3200 Missouri', Pomme de Terre River (flood)
3199 Europe, Irish oaks (cold)
3190 Global, Heckla eruption, Iceland (cold)
3160 California, Sunnyvale girl (archeology)
3150 Europe, Iceman of the Alps (cold)
3150 Global, Sulphate spike (cold)
3150 Greenland, Camp Century, Greenland (cold)
3150 Global, Paleoclimatic flood, global (flood)
3150 Turkey, Lake Van Oscillation (flood)
3150 USA, SW, SW US flood peak (flood)
3113 Mexico, Mayan recreation (flood myth)
3110 China, Yangtze River (flood)
3100 Europe, Stonehenge (start) (archeology)
3100 Greenland, GISP ice core (warm, cold, warm)
3100 Egypt, Egypt, Unification (archeology)
3100 Nebraska, Republican River, (flood)
3100 California, Sierra cooling (cold)
3100 USA, End of alluvial period (dry, warm)
3100 Boston, Sticks from fish wier (warm, cold, sea level)
3090 Egypt, Egypt, Nile (flood)
3075 Ireland, Newgrange Megalithic Tomb (archeology)
3075 Ireland, Newgrange Megalithic Tomb (archeology)
3050 Europe, Brittany coast emerges (sea level)
3050 Greenland, Methane peak, (cold)
3050 Canada, Devon Island (cold)
3020 California, Stanford Man II (archeology)
3001 Israel, Mt. Sedom (warm, flood)
3000 Europe, Carnac Megaliths (archeology)
3000 Europe, Wooden tracks (archeology)
3000 China, Tibet, Sumxi Lake (warm, dry)
3000 Peru, Onset of ENSO (warm, flood)
3000 Global, Radiocarbon base has tripled (archeology)
3000 Global, Sea level stillstands (sea level)
3000 Mesopotamia, Natural Catastrophes during Bronze Age (archeology)
3000 Mesopotamia, Sumerians in Mesopotamia (archeology)
3000 Israel, Ancient Egyptians in Palestine (archeology)
3000 Sahara, Canoes and elephants (warm)
3000 Egypt, Sumerian influences on Egypt (archeology)
3000 Louisiana, Native American mounds (archeology)
3000 USA, W, General wetting Western U.S (dry, warm)
3000 California, Bristlecone pines (cold)
3000 Wyoming, Ancient French Trapper (archeology)
3000 Oregon, Diamond Pond, (dry, warm)
3000 California, California hunter-gath transition (archeology)
2970 Europe, Floods in Netherlands (flood)
2900 Global, Huang Ho River (flood)
2900 Mesopotamia, Mesopotamian flood (flood)
2800 Mesopotamia, The Flood and Noah's Ark (flood)
2800 California, Summer warming, (warm)
2700 Mesopotamia, Gilgamesh, king of Uruk (archeology)
2700 Nevada, Woodrat midden, (dry, cold)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Sarah on February 15, 2009, 11:33:40 pm
Greetings, friend Riven, good to see you posting again:

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The Libyan struggle to free the taken land of Neith is pre-dynastic in nature, and their recent pact with the maritime bandits, who came to plunder Egypt as others had done before and after, was no more than another tactic in their long war against the armies of the conquering pharaohs.


This is fascinating as it reminds me of the Hyksos, who have been presumed to be both the Atlanteans of myth as well as a Jewish people (see the recent new theory on the Exodus).  The fact that they also had something to do with freeing the land of Neith (Neith being the foundress of Sais, where Plato is said to have first heard the Atlantis tale) only adds to that slendid hypothesis.

Sarah


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 17, 2009, 07:18:29 pm
Hi Sarah,thanks.

That is if people apply the Atlantean war or the Exodus in the period of the Hyksos.
It is clear in Plato's works that there was a great deluge that occured before deukalion's flood which varies from 1529-1450.bC
My understanding is that before this great deluge was the atlantean war and then the war ended where the greeks were victorious and everyone went back home. Then there occured this great deluge that sank Atlantis in the Atlantic ocean and also wiped out Athens.
This appears clear as to the magnitude of that event which effected the entire mediterranean that could have over ran the red sea and flooded the euphrates valley also where babylon and uruk are. Which concludes that this greatest deluge must also have been the biblical deluge which was said to have been the 3rd flood before deukalions.


3795.bC...Attica(Athens) founded 9000 years prior to Solon (years = generations= 2.79 conversion)

3437......Sais,Egypt founded 8000 years prior to Solon

????......Atlantean War begins

????......Atlantean war ends,Greeks victorious,countries liberated

3253..(3).Great Flood(biblical),mediterranean event,Atlantis sinks,Athens destroyed,Euphrates valley flooded

3200......Egypt Unified,Phoenicia,(Tyre,Byblos,Sidon),Babylon,Nineveh,Uruk,Akkad,Malta,Crete etc, cities arise.

1754..(2).Flood of Ogyges(Eusebius,Africanus)

1628..(1).Santorini,Thera Volcanic eruption, Flood

????......Actaeon 1st king of Athens
1582......Cecrops -an Egyptian king of Athens
1574......Deukalion-king of thessaly

1529..(0).Deukalion's Flood

1522......Amphictyon-king of Athens after deukalion's flood

570.......Solon visits Sais(ca.564)-Atlantis legend revealed

450.......Herodotus Histories

420.......Critias II in possession of Atlantis writing from Dropides

399.......Socrates poisoned

360.......Plato writes Timaeus and Critias account of Atlantis

..0.......Jesus The Son of God

350.aD....Chalcidius preserves Timaeus in Latin


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Georgium Sidus on February 18, 2009, 12:34:21 am
This is very good work, Riven!  How do you arrive at 3400 for the date of the Atlantean war and what event do you choose that leads to to cataclysm that Plato wrote about?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Georgium Sidus on February 18, 2009, 12:36:04 am
If you do not mind, I should like to start a separate topic on "Climate, Culture, and Catastrophe in the Ancient World" using your Stanford information.  It is a very good reference.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 18, 2009, 10:05:15 pm
Hi Georgium;

I don't know the exact date of the war, but I have it trapped between the founding of Sais,3437.bC and the Biblical flood at 3253.bC.

I have been saying for many years now that the Atlantean war occured prior to Pharaoh Menes or 3200.bC because the countries were liberated after the war and relics like the narmer palette,tehenu palette,gebel el arak knife,tomb 100 map and my cycladic stone map of atlantis all date around 3000-3500.bC and remind us of the war.

My paper,Flight of a kings golden sandals in my secret of the 9000 years thread takes a close look at kings reigns for Egypt,Babylon and Phoenicia and how herodotus interpretated 11,340 years for 341 kings which when compared to our modern egyptian king records revealed a conversion factor of 2.79.

Meaning that like the 10 patriarchs of bible who are more than 8000 years old in an actual timespan of 1656 years, so it is also that the 11,340 years of herodotus which also was spoken of in generations is actualy only some 4064 years in terms of kings reigns as compared to our modern record of egyptian kings.

That means that the 9000 and 8000 years of plato are dated at 3795 and 3437.bC.

In egyptology or archaeolgy sais was founded before 3000.bC.

We know from the Atlantean story that the war took place after the founding of Athens and Sais because the Egyptian priest said that they were going to be attacked also and that this war occured before the greatest deluge of all which was also before the deukalion flood ca 1529.

Which according to the story the war would be anywhere between 8570.bC-1529.bC, if you don't include my meaning for the 9000 years. The other clue is that the critias describes a bronze age civilization and not a stone age culture so too say.

In any case,the war was fought before the greatest deluge of all before the flood of deukalion.
Then the greeks won the war and liberated all the countries as is written.
Then afterwards there occured the greatest deluge of all which not only sank Atlantis in the atlantic ocean in front of the pillars of hercules, but also the athenians were flooded and disappered into the mud as is written.

This concludes the magnitude of this greatest deluge which also reflects the magnitude of the biblical flood that I date to 3253.bC and appears to be the key event around the war and coincidently happens to fit right between 3200.bC and my new date for Sais.

Also plato tells us about 10 antedeluvian kings and the ending of critias also reflects the anger of zeus when he destroyed deukalion which is a spin off of the oldest flood story from nippur tablets ca2100.bC as the hebrews also absorbed into their flood story of 2350.bC.

neither the deukalion 1529 or the hebrew flood 2350 is the biblical flood.

That's a good idea for a thread Georgium, I don't have a right to mind since it is Stanford's info. :)

Thanks.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 18, 2009, 10:59:12 pm
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As I have demonstrated - beyond any reasonable doubt as possible - the Athenians were already 9000 years old when the war began. In the Timaeus 23, it is clear that the age of Athens was 9000 years and that of Sais, in 8000, always before the visit of Solon. Ie, when Sais Solon visit and talks with the Egyptian priests and Sais had over 8000 years since its founding, and Athens was 9000 years.

The war begins with the start of the ninth millennium, ie approximately 1000 years before the conversation between Solon and the Egyptian priests. Because they were in the eighth millennium of the history of Sais, in the ninth millennium to the history of Athens.-Georgeos Diaz Montexano
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9000 years before Solon or 9570.bC is the only time available in the Atlantis story.
In other words at the end of the 8th millenium because you don't count milleniums until 1000 years have passed by. Centuries are 100 years. 8000 years before Solon is when Sais was founded.

This is why we cannot say that 9000 years passed by and then a war took place in the 9th millenimum towards Solon (backwards),because the war would be happening at the same time Solon and the priest were talking about Atlantis or 570.bC. We only have 9000 years of time before Solon. If you don't get to the store by 9pm you can't get any pudding!


9000.yrs before Solon___8000ybS___war____war ends____deluge_____deukalion_______solon570.bc


9___(8)_____8__(7)___7__(6)___6__(5)____5__(4)___4___(3)___3__(2)____2__(1)___1_________0


0___________1__(1)___2__(2)___3__(3)____4__(4)___5__(5)____6__(6)____7__(7)___8___(8)___9

Athens______Sais__________________________________________georgeo's war__1570.bc_______9

(1) = milleniums = 1000 years

This is not to discredit your theory Georgeos of the war occuring ca1570.bC, but to be correct you would have to say your war(1570.bC) occured in the end of the 7th millenium or beginning of the 8th millenium "towards solon" because the 9th millenium starts where solon is at 570.bC.

This further proves that the translators made a mistake of Critias 108e by leaving the impression that 9000 years had passed since the war when the story begins with the founding of Athens 9000 years ago.
As I told you,if you say the war was in the 9th millenium "towards solon",then Athens would be 10,000 years before solon because your war is 1000 years before solon. We only have 9000 years to play with Georgeos which ends at the end of the 8th millenium.

People are saying this because of the sentence in Critias 108e which reads;

"Let me begin by observing first of all, that nine thousand was the sum of years which had elapsed [since] the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the Pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them; this war I am going to describe."-Jowett

[108e] Now first of all we must recall the fact that 9000 is the sum of years [since] the war occurred, as is recorded, between the dwellers beyond the pillars of Heracles and all that dwelt within them2 ; which war we have now to relate in detail.-W.R.M.Lamb - Perseus Tufts

[108e] pantôn dê prôton mnêsthômen hoti to kephalaion ên enakischilia etê, [aph'] hou gegonôs emênuthê polemos tois th' huper Hêrakleias stêlas exô katoikousin kai tois entos pasin: hon dei nun diaperainein.

the entire-exactness-foremost-remind-anyone-that-of the head-existed-9000-years-[aph']-that-came into being-to disclose-war-beyond-heracles-stones-out-dwell in-and-that-inside-the whole-that-is binding on-at this very time-of thorough discussion

[aphthar]- I-incorruption,immortality II-integrity,sincerity

First of all,to remind us of the entire exactness that was 9000 years in all sincerity that had become,to disclose the war of all those outside from beyond the stones of heracles and all those who dwelled inside which entirely is dependant now on a throrough discussion.-Riven translation

or we could also say;

First of all, to remind us of the entire exactness that was 9000 years since it(the years) had become, to disclose the war....

Jowett is closer by saying "observing" rather than lamb who says "it is a fact" for the term "entire exactness" which as the end of the sentence also suggests that the exactness is dependant of a thorough investigation or discussion which later would provide a suggestive date for the war and not that 9000 years had passed since the war took place.


I think the problem is that the translators connected the war[since/aph'] with the 9000 years rather than leaving it as two separate phrases that would say
9000 years was the total years that passed by and during those 9000 years a war occured.

This is part of the beginning sentence where critias expresses that he wishes to recall from memory the exact particulars of the entire 9000 years and at which point the war may have occured.

Which we discover that the war happened and ended in the time of a greater destruction that was prior to deukalion's flood and we realize the war also happened after the founding of Sais so it could not have occured in the time of Athens being founded at the end of the 8th
millenium before Solon or 9000 years.


Also, the biblical flood was not the hebrew flood of 2350.bC nor was it deukalion's flood of 1529.

Deukalion became king of Thessaly 8 years after Cecropes became king of Athens.

1582 cecropes
1574 deukalion
1529 flood of deukalion

There was no major destruction before deukalion in that time until Santorini ca.1628,so in all likeness,the only destruction Cecropes would have faced must have been the flood of deukalion.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Guardian of Truth on February 19, 2009, 01:12:28 am
Riven, I have been following your post and still don't quite "get" it.  Clearly, Plato states that the war occurred 9000 years before Solon. Why then do you pick only the third millenium for the Atlantean/Athens war to take place? Why do you believe Plato to be in error?

Nine thousand years, in any event, would seem to be a long time to pass on an oral tradition.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: sociostudent on February 19, 2009, 02:22:28 am
I'd go with the more recent time frame.  I have yet to see anyone come up with a plausible explanation on how a story can be passed on by oral tradition alone accurately over nine thousand years.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 19, 2009, 03:35:05 pm
Guardian of Truth;

I don't believe Plato to be in error, rather the translators as I tried to explain in the post above about the error of why we think the war occured 9000 years before Solon. The story begins to the founding of Athens 9000 years before Solon or 9570.bC. 1000 years after Sais was founded. Both the Greeks and Egyptians were involved in the war since the priest said that the Atlanteans attacked them also.
Obviously the war could not have occured 9000 years before Solon which reflects that there must be an error with the sentence in Critias by the translators that say, the war occured since 9000 years ago. I believe Plato's intent in that sentence was that the "exact particulars of the whole" 9000 years that had passed and when the war occured can be further revealed by intense discussion.

I also believe Plato is correct with the 9000 year statement which he left upto us to discover the "meaning" of those years. Unlike Herodotus who told us that he was speaking in terms of generations for his 341 Egyptian kings who total 11,340 years. That was the main clue for me to conclude that Plato also must have been speaking in terms of generations as this was common thought for those men including Solon. This made sense also because it would be easier for 2 men speaking of history to recall 3 generations = 100 years and compute a total rather than find a total list of generations and figure out their reigns or lifespans.

That led to this;

2.79 error factor for Herodotus.(11,893/4263.36)

Plato Atlantean era Greece founding = 9,000.yrs./2.79 = 3225.81.yrs
Plato Egypt founding = 8,000.yrs./2.79 = 2867.38.yrs

3225.81 + 570(Amassis) = 3795.81.bC...Athen's Greece founded (Athena)
2867.38 + 570 = 3437.38.bC...Sais,Lower Egypt founded (Neith)




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Poseidon on February 20, 2009, 07:27:38 am
Tiven, the trouble with a more recent time frame for the destruction of Atantis is that geology doesn't seem to support the sinking of a landmass in that era, whereas the end of the Ice Age seems better suited for one.

Where do you position Atlantis if it was supposed to have been a more recent sinking?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 21, 2009, 12:44:23 am
I have always placed the original Atlantis some 300 miles before the straites of Gibraltar at the Josephine,Torre and Ormonde Seamounts.

Above, I posted a lot of scientific material from Stanford detailing an event around my flood date of 3253.bC.

My original date of 6482.bC is also another time of many events that occured which fits better with the end of the ice age and the height of the warming period when the sahara was a savanna. Perhaps as those two key dates suggest, that Atlantis may have broken apart in different stages like Edgar Cayce also stated.

Really, the only evidence that we would have geologicaly of Atlantis sinking would be flood reports since no one has provided any data that I am aware of for a large island sinking in the ocean floor other than hypothesis. We do know there are shoals of mud in front of the straites like Spartel island that was also suggested as the site of Atlantis by a french professor. It would also be difficult after so many years have passed for underwater research (which is very,very expensive) on the ocean floor when the evidence could also be buried even deeper and covered.

I believe that the original Atlantis island was formed somewhere between 150-70 million years ago when the Atlantic first started forming and Atlantis was the center of pangea where the First Garden was. :)

It is important to remember also how large the Atlantean Empire was where many Atlantean towns or outposts can also be discovered by researchers around the world.

The island may have disappeared but us Atlanteans are still here.! :)

I was born in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on the Azores islands so by birthright I am an Atlantean. :)

Actualy, I like to think of the name Atlantean on the same level as we say "Humans" today.

We are all Atlanteans. :)

Thanks Neptune...er I mean Poseidon. :)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Corissa on February 21, 2009, 02:04:23 am
The Azores are one of the most beautiful places in the world.  Have you ever been back there as an adult, Riven?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Corissa on February 21, 2009, 02:06:07 am
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We do know there are shoals of mud in front of the straites like Spartel island that was also suggested as the site of Atlantis by a french professor.

Both Plato and Aristotle also mention the mud in their writings, and Plato blames it on the "gradual subsidence of the island."


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 21, 2009, 05:29:44 am
Hi Corissa;

I haven't been back to the Azores since I was 4 years old. I hope someday to go. Yes it is very beautiful like Hawaii.
When Atlantis rises the airfare will be cheaper! Then I can drive the rest of the way and enjoy the scenery! :)

Why, have you been there?

Thanks Corissa


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 28, 2009, 02:49:26 am
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kFbAIcD7mME/SQ3xQ40JFOI/AAAAAAAAAAc/L-xPKwyzopk/S220/Galaxius+Empire+Atlantis+Rivens+Logo2005.bmp)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kFbAIcD7mME/SQ3vH_hJSdI/AAAAAAAAAAU/CWhke3ITOVI/S220/Cycladic_Map_of_Atlantis_2800bC.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kFbAIcD7mME/SQqLxNd-aEI/AAAAAAAAAAM/OKq9RWqPV8k/S220/Alluvial+Atlantis+100000bC+Riven+05.JPG)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 28, 2009, 09:51:53 pm
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872794642/garden-of-avila/rift%202.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872205818/garden-of-avila/Dark%20Sorcerers%20Rift%20Valley.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872233695/garden-of-avila/Death%20of%20Darkness%20Rift%20Valley.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872179343/garden-of-avila/Dark%20Seal%20Rift%20Valley.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872919178/garden-of-avila/The%20Ascension%20%20and%20The%20Dragon%20of%20Defence%20%20Hubble%20Telescope%20R.JPG)

God's name JA on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871946594/garden-of-avila/Great%20Pyramid%20of%20Giza2%20Riven05.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871972647/garden-of-avila/Great%20Pyramid%20of%20Giza3%20inverted%20color%20Riven05.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871996591/garden-of-avila/Great%20Pyramid%20of%20Giza4%20Color%20enhanced%20Riven05.jpg)

Image and name of JA inside the great pyramid's airshaft and on the stoneplug.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872020795/garden-of-avila/Great%20Pyramid%20Stone%20Plug1%20Original%20Riven05.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872054048/garden-of-avila/Great%20Pyramid%20Stone%20Plug2%20Riven05.JPG)

Missing lion sphinx near the Red Pyramid at Saqqara

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1233998243896/what-is-atlantis/Missing%20Red%20Lion%20Sphinx%20of%20Avila%20Atlantis%20by%20Riven05.JPG)

Temple of Man

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235873017057/garden-of-avila/The%20Relocated%20%20Temple%20of%20Fire%20Tomb%20of%20His%20Holiness%20Riven06.JPG)

Garden of Avila in Tanzania,Africa.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872468643/garden-of-avila/Eden%208%20hand%20of%20God%20removing%20Adams%20Rib%20Riven05.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872443614/garden-of-avila/Eden%207%20left%20hand%20of%20God%20Riven05.jpg)

Image of my face appears on babe.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235872630109/garden-of-avila/Eden%2016%20God%20in%20Thumb%20creating%20Eve%20Riven05.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235870780874/what-is-atlantis/Atlantean%20King%20Paulo%20Riven%20Logos.jpg)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Bianca on February 28, 2009, 09:58:34 pm




Paulo,

OT - take a look at this new article from Portugal:

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,16539.0.html


They liken the language to Etruscan, furthermore Almodovar is very close to Huelva in Spain, where
Las Marismas are - you know the swamp that they have been trying to search but, according to
last I heard from Dr. Kuhne - they couldn't get funded....

What do you think?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 02, 2009, 01:36:26 am
Thanks Bianca;

Too bad they weren't older than ca 500.bC and had better pictures for us to see the letters and writing. The Azilian letters are said to have been from 12,000 years ago that were being written in Iberia and Northwestern Africa. I believe that this is where our alphabet originaly came from which evolved into Linear A then the south iberian scripts of linear b which the phoenicians claimed as their own when they went back to sidon.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2009, 07:44:56 am



QUOTE:

"Too bad they weren't older than ca 500.bC"





Paulo,

I don't have to tell you about archaeologists.......

I believe the "Southwest Script" is WAY older than 'they' think...

Here's a good shot of it, from Almodovar:


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Beja48.jpg/450px-Beja48.jpg)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Bianca on March 02, 2009, 08:14:37 am






I just did some 'research' on this and it gave me enough answers for my own personal theory.


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,16539.msg132543.html#msg132543



Thanks for your own answers, Paulo!


Bianca


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 05, 2009, 03:07:52 am
Your welcome Bianca. Thanks for the nice pic of the stone. Is that Atlas in the middle?  ::)


The Legend of Atlantis was told by the Egyptian Priest to Solon who passed on a copy to his friend and relative Dropides.

Dropides is the Great-Grandfather to Critias II and the Father of Critias I. We don't know in the story what the name of Critias II's father was who was the son of Critias I.

Plato must have been working from that copy from Dropides which Critias II had in his possession as he himself stated.

Also,their must have been a scribe recording the conversation of the contest at the theatre for Plato to be able to write everything that was said during that time around 420.bC This would appear to mean that Plato had 2 documents to work from perhaps while he was in the service of Dionysios The Tyrant in Syracuse around 360.bC when he wrote Timaeus and Critias.

Egyptian Priest > Solon(570.bC) > Dropides(Great Grandfather) > Critias I(Grandfather-90yrs old) > Critias II(10 years old) > Plato.(360.bC)

Plato wrote the legend of Atlantis in two dialogues.

PART I; - Timaeus
PART II; - Critias

In the Timaeus,Critias II is reciting from memory what his Grandfather,Critias I told him and Amynander at the Apaturia festival and what the Egyptian priest of Sais told Solon.

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On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened. Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you.

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And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed-if there were any actions noble or great or in any other way remarkable, they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples.

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As for those genealogies of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children. In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones;

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For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city "WHICH NOW" is Athens was first in war

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You are welcome to hear about them, Solon, said the priest, both for your own sake and for that of your city, and above all, for the sake of the goddess who is the common patron and parent and educator of both our cities. She founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and afterwards she founded ours, of which the constitution is recorded in our sacred registers to be eight thousand years old. As touching your citizens of nine thousand years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action; the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves.


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If you compare these very laws with ours you will find that many of ours are the counterpart of yours as they were in the olden time. In the first place, there is the caste of priests, which is separated from all the others; next, there are the artificers, who ply their several crafts by themselves and do not intermix; and also there is the class of shepherds and of hunters, as well as that of husbandmen; and you will observe, too, that the warriors in Egypt are distinct from all the other classes, and are commanded by the law to devote themselves solely to military pursuits; moreover, the weapons which they carry are shields and spears, a style of equipment which the goddess taught of Asiatics first to us, as in your part of the world first to you


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For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end.

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This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits;and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.

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I have told you briefly, Socrates, what the aged Critias heard from Solon and related to us.

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And now, Socrates, to make an end my preface, I am ready to tell you the whole tale. I will give you not only the general heads, but the particulars, as they were told to me. The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians.


-Solon,the wisest man in greece tells the egyptian priest the greek histories from Phoroneus(ca1800.bC.)and the only flood he knows as Deukalion(ca1529.bC) and we learn he is calculating the years by generations of the ancestors.

-priest ridicules Solon over the generational count as tales of children

-Atlantean war at a time before the flood of Deukalion and after the founding of Attica and Sais. The city was not called Athens at the time of the Atlantean war.("when the city which is NOW Athens")

-9000 years prior to Solon is the timespan, 1000 years after Sais is founded or 8000 years prior to Solon's visit. Somewhere near this time was the Atlantean war ("as touching your citizens of 9000 years ago...and of their most famous action")

- all records were preserved in the temples at the sacred registers which Solon and the priest could view THE EXACT particulars. This would mean that the Egyptian priest memorized the number of 8000 years for Sais as the span of generations of their ancestors.

- The priest also said that ASIA was being attacked also and he also called themselves Asiatics.

- The weaponry was shields and spears

- The ancient greeks defeated the Atlanteans and ended the war.

- Afterwards the great disaster occured which not only sunk Atlantis island outside of the straites but also destroyed the greeks at home and blocked the straites of gibraltar. Such was the huge extent of the deluge that would have been greater than Deukalion's "mythical biblical" flood.

- Critias intends to transfer the ancient greeks into the city of Athens.


PART II.  The Critias.






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Bianca on March 05, 2009, 06:51:13 am



QUOTE:



Your welcome Bianca. Thanks for the nice pic of the stone. Is that Atlas in the middle? 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I don't think so.  He's holding a stick in his right hand and some other object in
his right.  His arms are bent too low for him to be holding up the globe on his
shoulders.....

Thanks, Paulo!!!


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 06, 2009, 04:33:23 pm
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1233998194004/what-is-atlantis/Atlantean%20%20Machine%203500bC%20%20Riven.jpg?height=200&width=151)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235870743256/what-is-atlantis/Alluvial%20Atlantis%20100000bC%20Riven%2005.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235870896309/what-is-atlantis/Atlantis%20I%20%206500bC%20Riven%2005.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871480237/what-is-atlantis/Kingdom%20of%20Atlantis%20I%20by%20Riven05.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871275939/what-is-atlantis/AtlantisI%20Royal%20City%20Map%20by%20Riven%2005.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871100991/what-is-atlantis/Atlantis%20I%20Map%206500bC.GIF)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871544438/what-is-atlantis/PangaeaThethys_PauloRiven_Atlantis.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235870857002/what-is-atlantis/Atlantean_Tribal_Mapion_Riven07mn.JPG)



(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871587063/what-is-atlantis/Pre-6482bC%20Flood%20Tritonis%20WestNile%20Riven05.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871709902/what-is-atlantis/World%20Alluvial%20Flood%20of%20Avila%20Atlantis%206482bC%20by%20Riven05.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1233997949003/what-is-atlantis/Cycladic_Map_of_Atlantis_2800bC.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871336798/what-is-atlantis/AtlantisII_Physical_Riven07.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871240875/what-is-atlantis/Atlantis_Avila_Revealed_PauloRiven_2007ad.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871641614/what-is-atlantis/The%20Lion%20of%20Tahla%20Delta%20Egypt%20Riven%2006.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871378121/what-is-atlantis/Azillian%20Linear%20A%20Atlantis%203500bC.gif)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Mario Dantas on March 07, 2009, 04:56:29 am

Dear Riven,

The images you posted of the Eastern Atlantic have very similar shape to Greenland, and i noticed they go all the way down to the Cape Verde Islands. Are you proposing an Atlantis as large as that? please excuse my ignorance regarding your theory...

regards,
Mario Dantas


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 07, 2009, 07:09:44 am
Hi Mario, yes, for the original Atlantis island. Roughly some 2000 x 1000 miles in size.



GODS
DEMIGODS
SPIRITS


28.82 YEAR AVERAGE GENERATIONS

I:1;
TO______= 25 Kings = 279 kings = 8040.78 + 526 = 8566.78.bC. OR 4546.39.bC.
I:25

II:1;
TO______= 10 kings = 254 kings = 4186.14.bC.
II:10;

II:11; Pharaoh Menes = 244 kings = 4042.04.bC.


*EGYPTIAN PRIEST,PLATO-TIMAEUS,SAIS FOUNDED 8000 YEARS PRIOR 570.bC. SOLON'S VISIT.

244 KINGS FROM PSAMMETICUS III,CA.526.bC.


244 = MENES 3157.04 Actual modern date (885 missing years)


EGYPTIAN CALENDAR = 4241.bC.

This may seem a little complicated but understandable.

In my Flight of a King's Golden Sandals paper, I explained how the Palermo Stone and the Turin Canon revealed that 35 kings are missing prior to Menes.
Menes starts at Turin Section II;11 where II;1-10 are missing and there should be a section I:1-25 of kings preceding.

I had based that paper around Herodotus' account of 341 kings from the Heliopolitan priests ca.450.bC where in Plato's Timaeus the Egyptian priest said that 8000 years prior to Solon's visit (570-564.bC), was the founding of Sais according to the records in the sacred registers in the Temples or a date of ca.8570.bC.

After studying all the Greek kings and Roman kings lists,it turned out that 28.82 years was the average generational count which when divided into Plato's 8000 years also worked out to 279 kings which matches precisely with what the Turin Canon and Palermos stone are suggesting,ironicaly.

This makes me think that Herodotus,coming after 526.bC at 450.bC, heard an inflated account by the Heliopolitan priests who added some 62 more kings since the Egyptian priest at 570.bC in a span of 120 years! This is part of the problem with Egypt in that there are too many kings and gods and why they have such a short average of reigns as compared to other cultures,that or deliberatly controlled chronologies by "erasing" years for biblical reasons is also suggested.

The 279 kings also support the credibility of Plato's account for the Atlantis legend besides their statements of fact and truth as spoken in the dialogues of Critias and Timaeus.

The Generations of 28.82 years amount to 8040.78 years plus 526, gives us 8566.78.bC which matches to Plato's 8570.bC or 8000 years. It is known that many of the kings lists for Egypt are inflated due to the fact of biennial cattle counts which "doubled" the kings reigns. The lower number of 4546.39.bC represents this doubled effect reduced. (8040.78/2 + 526.bC). This lower date suggests an actual average of reign for the 279 kings as 14.41 years per king in Egypt.
Slightly higher than my previous suggestion of 10.96 years based on Herodotus' 341 kings and a 3200.bC date for Menes.

Where we notice that Pharaoh Menes has a date of 4042.04.bC. This is only 43 years shy of my statement a few years ago about Snoferu's sin on December the 10th, 3474.bC and how Khufu had hidden it by hiding 885 years in the new Solar calendars where we also know that 150 years of evils effected Egypt and all the temples were closed by the sons of Snoferu who is the son of Huni. If you find the text about Huni, you will know that he ate people and wanted to be his own god and defy every common knowledge about egypt's religon and customs, which makes you wonder how his sons grew up knowing their dad ate people and was shall we say "possessed" with the extremities of blackened brine that passed on to his sons and that is why Egypt fell into evils. Where I also stated as a teenager I had a "visual" premonition of evil having arisen out of Egypt which quite literaly makes sense as we can see and know and echo's Thoth's words in his emerald tablets to watch out for the "Dark Brothers" or worshippers of evil.

The irony is that when we subtract the 885 years from Menes we get a proper date of 3157.bC. which is recorded today.

Do you suppose they know about those 885 missing years and the truth about Khufu and the family of Brine and the real truth of why Egypt became evil during that period for 150 years? We do have documents from the egyptologists like Breasted,Gardiner or Petrie claiming older dating for the dynasties such as the 4th dynasty around 3500.bC.

Is it any wonder why they praise the family of Huni and say his son's built the pyramids and that egypt prospered under snoferu and that they were "good kings"? Is that why Zawi Hawass expected Khufu to have been buried in the great pyramid or to find Chephrens statue under the sphinx? Is it my imagination or does Zawi look terrified all the time?  Never know what's in those tombs!


Seems the only good thing is Plato's Atlantis!
At least you learn more about the world and it's ancient histories than you would studying egypt or the bible or even in school!.
That's why I feel sorry for people who don't believe in Atlantis.


Remember,those numbers are factualy based on evidence and not fabricated.




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 18, 2009, 03:43:23 pm
How about this picture of the peaks of Atlantis island ascending out of the Atlantic Ocean some 600 miles BEFORE the straites of Gibraltar.

Notice there is no greenery like grass,trees or even moss visible.

A piece of Atlantis rising.  :)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1237407202939/what-is-atlantis/Ascending%20Atlantis.jpg)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Tina Walter on March 18, 2009, 11:15:50 pm
Hi Riven,

Long time no see!  Great pic, where did you get it from, and from when does it date?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: 10,000 bc on March 18, 2009, 11:34:53 pm
Quote
How about this picture of the peaks of Atlantis island ascending out of the Atlantic Ocean some 600 miles BEFORE the straites of Gibraltar.

Notice there is no greenery like grass,trees or even moss visible.

A piece of Atlantis rising.  Smiley

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1237407202939/what-is-atlantis/Ascending%20Atlantis.jpg)

Wherever the picture came from originally, it would be typical of the volcanic islands that spit up from the Atlantic from time to time - barren and void of vegetation.  Surtsey was a lot like that when it came up in the 1960s and the Azores were said to be like that, too, when they were first discovered.

They don't match the description, which Plato describes as a pretty lush place with two growing seasons.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Mario Dantas on March 19, 2009, 05:11:02 am


That should be before the disastrous event occurred, but after that, according to Plato:

Quote
The consequence is, that in comparison of what then was, there are remaining only the bones of the wasted body, as they may be called, as in the case of small islands, all the richer and softer parts of the soil having fallen away, and the mere skeleton of the land being left.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 19, 2009, 02:48:43 pm
Hi Tina;

Nice to hear from you. I took the pic with google earth.The imagery is dated to Mar.2007 in the bottom left corner, but I have no idea how old the actual island is which appears newer than Madeira.

It is about 7 miles long and a little distance away from the island of Madeira as the co-ordinates on the bottom of the pic will lead you to with Google Earth.

I understand that it appears to be a volcanic island that was pushed up from the Ocean depths in the vicinity of my thesis for the large island of Atlantis that spanned from Cape Verde to Azores as my maps demonstrate.

I meant for it to be more of an inspiration for Atlantis researchers with hope that islands like this may one day push up evidence of Atlantis in the form of man made relics or buildings from the depths of the Ocean floor. :)





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Abrien Cane on March 21, 2009, 05:48:13 pm
Here is a tale you may or may not have heard of the Atlantic spitting up islands, only to swallow them up later Riven

(from one of Bianca's posts):

A very curious example of this possibility occurred in March 1882.  Unlike many alleg-
ed sightings of Atlantean ruins before that time, it was well reported in a ship's log and also in the press.  It concerned the encounter of a steamship with an uncharted island in heavily traveled sea lanes and the unusual material that was
found there by the ship's captain and his crew.

The vessel was named the S.S. JESMOND, a British merchant ship of 1495 tons,
bound for New Orleans with a cargo of dried fruits from its last port of call in Messina
Sicily.  The Jesmond was captained by David Robson, holder of master's certificate 27911 in the Queens' Merchant Marine. 

The Jesmond passed through the Straits of Gibraltar (the ancient Pillars of Hercules)
on March 1, 1882, and sailed into the open sea.  When the ship reached the posit-
ion 31degree 25'N, 28degree 40'W, about 200 miles west of Madeira and about the
same distance south of the Azores, it was noted that the ocean had become unus-
ually muddy and that the vessel was passing through enormous shoals of dead fish, as if some sudden disease or underwater explosion had killed them by the
millions.  Just before evening on the first day of encountering the fish banks, Captain Robson noticed smoke on the horizon which he presumed came from another ship.

On the following day, the fish shoals were even thicker and the smoke on the horizon seemed to be coming from mountains on an island directly to the west,
where, according to the charts, there was no land for thousands of miles.  As
the Jesmon approached the vicinity of the island, Captain Robson threw out an
anchor at about twelve miles offshore to find out whether or not this unchartered island was surrounded by reefs.  Even though the charts indicated an area depth
of several thousand fathoms, the anchor hit bottom at only seven fathoms.

When Robson went ashore with a landing party, they found themselves to be on
a large island with no vegetation, no trees, no sandy beaches, bare of all life as if
it had just risen from the ocean.  The shore they landed on was covered with
volcanic debris.  As there were no trees, the party could clearly see a plateau be-
ginning several miles away and smoking mountains beyond that.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Abrien Cane on March 21, 2009, 05:48:47 pm
The landing party rather gingerly headed toward the interior in the direction of the
mountains, but they found that progress was interrupted by a series of deep
chasms.  To get to the interior would have taken days.  They returned to their landing point and examined a broken cliff, part of which seemed to have been
split into a mass of loose gravel, as if it had recently been subjected to great force.  One of the sailors found an unusual arrowhed in the broken rock, a disco-
very that led the captain to send for picks and shovels from the ship, so that the
crew could dig into the gravel.

According to what he told a reporter from the Times Picayune in New Orleans, where he later docked, he and his crew uncovered "crumbling remains" of 'massi-
ve walls."  A variety of artifacts uncovered by digging near the walls for the better part of two days included "bronze swords, rings, mallets, carvings of heads and figures of birds and animals, and two vases or jars with fragments of bone, and one cranium almost entire...." and "what appeared to be a mummy enclosed in a
stone case....encrusted with volcanic deposit, so as to be scarcely distinguished from the rock itself."  At the end of the following day, much of which was spent getting the rock sarcophagus aboard the Jesmond, Robson, now worried about un-
certain weather, decided to abandon his exploration of the island and resume his
course.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Abrien Cane on March 21, 2009, 05:49:18 pm
Several reporters examined Captain Robson's unusual finds and were informed by him that he planned to present the artifacts to the British Museum.  Unfortunately
for Atlantean research, however, the log of the Jesmond was destroyed during the
London blitz of September 1940, along with the offices of the Jesmond's owner,
Watts, Watts and Company, Threadneedle Street. 

There is apparently no record at the British Museum of their having received Robson's unusual collection, although it is, of course, possible that the artifacts
are filed in the capacious attics and basements common to all great museums. 

Nor was the island ever heard of again, existing only in the sworn testimony of the
captain and crew of the JESMOND.

There is, however, some corroboration of the incident:  Captain Robson was not alone in reporting the sighting of the mysterious island.  Captain James Newdick
of the steam schooner WESTBOURNE, sailing from Marseilles to New York during
the same period, reported on arrival in New York of having sighted a large island
at coordinates 25degree30'N, 24degreesW.  Newdick's report appeared in the
"New York Post", April 1, 1882.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Abrien Cane on March 21, 2009, 05:49:37 pm
If the coordinated given by both captains were correct, the mystery island would
have measured 20X30 miles in area.  The volcanic activity that brought an island
of this size to the surface would have killed, probably through heating the oceanic
water, an enormous quantity of fish, just as Captain Robson reported.

The miles of dead fish, fanning out from the area first reported by Robson, were
also commented upon by a number of other ship captains and appeared in a varie-
ty of newpapers, including the"New York Times".  One captain suggested that the
kill could be explained by the wreck of a fishing vessel, however unlikely this ex-
planation might be.

For, the quantity of dead fish, as estimated by the British institute of Oceanogra-
phy, covered 7,500 square miles of the Atlantic and comprised at least half a
million tons.

Crew members of various vessels that passed through the floating fish identified
them as tilefish, cod, red snapper, shad and many others.  Some adventurous
souls among the sailors sampled a number of the fish and suffered no ill effects.
They stated that the fish were "hard and proved excellent food."

One might speculate that these hordes of fish did not immediately rot, since they
had been "pre-cooked" by the volcanic heat generated by the rising of the island
from the ocean floor.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Abrien Cane on March 21, 2009, 05:49:53 pm
Since Captain Robson's brief viewing of allegedly Atlantean walls, recognizable features of buildings, walls and roads have been reported with increasing fre-
quency from various parts of the Atlantic.  They have often been observed by
pilots, who have overflown them in their scheduled flights and have not had per-
mission to depart from their flight plans to investigate further by circling, in order
to photograph chance sightings that, in any case, may have been illusory.

During WWII, several pilots on military flights between Brazil and Senegal, formerly
French West Africa, said they saw what looked like clusters of buildings or "cities"
under the ocean surface, near the St. Peter and St. Paul Rocks (1degreeN, 30degree West).  Other pilots and observers flying the same route, have reported seeing what appeared to be underwater stone walls and ruins at approxmiately
6degreesN, 20degrees W, near the Sierra Leone Rise. 

Although it would be easy to discount these claims, by supposing that the pilots
reported clouds or shadown on the ocean, (it is relatively easy for imaginative in-
dividuals, pilots or otherwise, to visualize fantasies in the sea or sky), neverthe-
less, it is also true that some of the subsurface islands in the Atlantic, especially
the flat-topped seamounts that rise suddenly from the ocean floor, come fairly
close to sea level, in a number of places.

At certain times of the day, a special slant of the sun's rays in the afternoon and a
low rate of diatoms in the sea could make parts of the ocean, over such seamounts clear enough to catch a glimpse of former human settlements built on large sea-
mounts, when they were once islands.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Abrien Cane on March 21, 2009, 05:50:34 pm
In the Western Atlantic, near the United States, pilots of both scheduled and
charter flights have remarked on pyramidal formations, stepped terraces and
walls on the ocean floor, between the Bahamas and Florida. 

A Pan American pilot has described seeing an archway in a submerged wall,
about sixty feet from the surface.  Charter pilots have described underwater
roads, leading eastward out to sea, from the coast of Yucatan, which they foll-
owed until the roads were lost in deep water, but which presumably continued 
to other destinations, now beneath the sea.

An expanse of stone ruins, several acres in area and apparently white, as if they
were marble, was reported off the northern coast of Cuba by the late Leicester
Hemingway, former resident of Cuba and brother of the famous novelist, but
these ruins are located well within Cuban waters and are, therefore, inaccessible
to American divers.

A number of rather convincing photographs have been taken from the air of what
appears to be underwater stonework on the Bahama Banks and off the
Caribbean coast of Mexico, but no aerial photographs have yet been made availa-
ble of sunken cities in the mid-Atlantic.

However, within the last several years, a number of unusual photographs have been taken, not from aircraft, but from submarine cameras, lowered from research
ships. 

Pictures of apparently man-made ruins, photographed at much greater depths than ever before, have been obtained by oceanographers not engaged in looking for
Atlantis, but simply photographing the sea bottom, in the general area of the legendary island continent.

The vessels and the oceanographers were from the USSR, a nation far from Plato's
Atlantic Sea.


FROM


ATLANTIS, the Eighth Continent

By Charles Berlitz


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 10, 2009, 02:22:35 pm
Thanks for that interesting post Abrien.

I could only make out a faint unamed seamount with google earth for those co-ordinates just south easterly of the larger meteor and cruiser seamounts.

Yes,it would be nice if we had the evidence of those artifacts claimed.

Sorry I took so long to reply.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 10, 2009, 02:23:33 pm
According to Herodotus, there are 3 main Hercules characters as follows;

An Egyptian God recognized as Hercules 17,000 years prior to Amasis which works out to be around 6500.bC when compared to my generation theory.

The Hercules from Tyre some 2300 years before Herodotus' writing of 440.bC, or 2740.bC.

The Greek Hercules,son of Amphitryon and Alcmena ca.1250.bC.


In my Flight of a Kings Golden sandals paper, in the Phoenician chronology section based on Eusebius, the founding of Tyre also worked out relatively close to Herodotus with Hypsuranius at 2967.bC from their ancestors lineage of Aeon and Protogonus or the first mortals of Phoenicia ca.3147.bC.

Naturaly, it is evident that this list is in need of a more realistic organization and chronology to compliment fathers and offspring closer to each other rather than hundreds of years apart.

However, in this list we see that Uranus appears ca.2607.bC who fathers Kronos,Atlas and Dagon. Shortly after,Athena is also born as a daughter of Kronos.

Dagon is the father of Demarus who is the father of Melcathrus who is known as Hercules.

This coincides with Herodotus stating the temple and pillars of Hercules at Tyre around 2700.bC.

According to the Phoenician myths,it seems apparent that this temple, the priests and the mysteries for that time,gave rise to these gods known as Apollo,Zeus,Poseidon,Pontus,Uranus,Kronos,Athena,Hercules,etc,etc.

It is also reflected in the phoenician myth that the first ships were also built around 2667.bC by the Dioscuri,Cabeiri,Corybantes and Samothracians while bearing in mind that Ousous,just after Tyres founding was the first to sail and also consecrated 2 pillars,one of fire and one of wind.

We also are aware that the Egyptians were sailing ships around 3000-3200.bC as derived from the tomb 100 map,various inscriptions and archaeo studies.

In our Atlantis legend, we are told that the city of Atlantis was built by Poseidon at a time before voyages and ships were known and after the lands were alotted to the gods which according to the oldest Hercules of Egypt was 17000 years prior to Amasis as Herodotus stated or around the golden age of 6500.bC according to my generational theory.

Idealy,the city of Atlantis would have been constructed between the old Hercules and the first ships with preference towards the latter.

The days of old were also broken up into castes or organized civil groups which can be understood as forming around 5000.bC to a more focused 3500.bC from archaeo studies and tribes whose weaponries were also shields and spears as the egyptian priest relates in Critias.

The irony is that most cultures appear dated to around 3200.bC like the Phoenicians with Aeon and Protogonus,the Egyptians with Menes,the Babylonians with Alorus, the Mayan calendar,the Hebrew calendar,etc,etc or at a point after the biblical flood dated to 3253.bC.

I have also reflected with much evidence of geosciences and chronologies that 3253.bC,like 6482.bC, leaves the impression of an event that compares with the biblical flood and the destruction of Atlantis and the mediterranean nations of the 3 known worlds,Asia,Africa and Europe.

We would be inclined to say,based on the Phoenician myths,that the earliest pillars of Hercules worshipped at Tyre would be the broken pillars of Erithea,Ethiopia and that sailing out of the Red Sea to the horn of Africa we would reach the Atlantic and that Antarctica would then be the boundless continent.

This also coincides,as I posted recently in the location of atlantis thread, with the Cycladic stone map of 2800.bC and Tanzania as once being a large island surrounded by water with the garden of avila(eden) bordering on Lake Victoria which can also be viewed as a concentricaly formed city of Atlantis in that very garden.

Ironicaly, the city of Atlantis was also said to have been settled where the "Light was first Seen" which signifies a religious event like the Garden.

My impression is that the Tanzanian island is Atlantis II or the newer memory of Atlantis city as reflected by the cycladic stone map and the flood of 3253.bC which surrounded Tanzania with water making it appear as a large oval island. This all relates to the Tyrian Hercules,pillars at Erithea,Ethiopia and a passage to the Atlantic past the Horn of Africa.

The original island and city of Atlantis would be located at the older Hercules of Egypt mentioned by Herodotus of 17,000 years (6500.bC) which would be before the straites of Gibraltar at the Josephine,Torre seamounts that include Ormonde and Ampheres mounts surrounding the horseshoe abyssal plain.

Here we also find Erithea in parallel to Ethiopia,which I believe that Erithea was the name for the Ormonde seamount.

Typicaly,the gods of Egypt come from Nun which is the great ocean westward of them which also identifies the pillars of Hercules at Gibraltar. Just as the Gods also sailed to the west in their barques of the setting sun.

The evidence which also includes a time when the countries were liberated,suggests that Atlantis wasn't around after 2500.bC.

This also seems to parallel a thought that Homer and Hesiod ca.800.bC and Solon's account for greek history upto Phoroneus were speaking of ages 1000 years prior to themselves or 1800.bC with no mention of Atlantis by any of them until Amasis.

I would imagine,as Smiley also says, their should be writings about Atlantis if it was within that timeframe of Cecrops as Georgeos concludes or 900 years prior to Amasis rather than 9000 as the proponents of divisors of ten perceive.

The thought is that the people of 1800.bC would have remembered Atlantis and also spoke about it as being also roughly 1000 years prior to themselves or sometime before 2800.bC which also reflects the dating of the cycladic stone map.


Just as there are twins, 2 locations for hercules' pillars, 2 Eritheas and 2 straites that lead out into the Atlantic, 2 Hercules,one Tyrian one Egyptian, so it also appears that there were 2 events to ponder like the twin cities of Atlantis...

6482.bC and 3253.bC.

One vanished, One visible.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871240875/what-is-atlantis/Atlantis_Avila_Revealed_PauloRiven_2007ad.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1233997949003/what-is-atlantis/Cycladic_Map_of_Atlantis_2800bC.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871336798/what-is-atlantis/AtlantisII_Physical_Riven07.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235870743256/what-is-atlantis/Alluvial%20Atlantis%20100000bC%20Riven%2005.JPG)





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Corissa on April 12, 2009, 01:07:52 am

Hi Corissa;

I haven't been back to the Azores since I was 4 years old. I hope someday to go. Yes it is very beautiful like Hawaii.
When Atlantis rises the airfare will be cheaper! Then I can drive the rest of the way and enjoy the scenery! :)

Why, have you been there?

Thanks Corissa


I wish!  No, I haven't.  Ideally, I would like to move there someday, though.  It would be the closest thng to finding the real Atlantis.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Corissa on April 12, 2009, 01:21:26 am
Nice work!

Note the concentric circles on this one, like Plato's capital city:

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1233997949003/what-is-atlantis/Cycladic_Map_of_Atlantis_2800bC.jpg)

Is this east Africa?

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235870743256/what-is-atlantis/Alluvial%20Atlantis%20100000bC%20Riven%2005.JPG)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 12, 2009, 01:47:09 pm
Hi Corissa;

No, the alluvial map of Atlantis I, is looking at the straites of gibraltar,nw Africa,Spain,Europe,Britain,Ireland,Iceland and the Atlantic Ocean.

Atlantis is centered(pink dot) at the Josephine Seamount before the twin harbours(green dots) and the long canal.

Atlantis II, at Tanzania appears to match the map on the Cycladic Stone "frying pan" dated around 2800.bC.

The ingenious thing about that "frying pan", is that when they were used to bake a nice and warm tasty round loaf of bread for the sailors, there would be a secret map of Atlantis imprinted under the bread!!!





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 03, 2009, 07:03:37 pm

Re; How did Egypt get the Story of Atlantis?


The Sphinx,like the Great Pyramid symbolizes an advanced ancient culture of knowledge.

As I pointed out some years ago,the Red Pyramid at Saqqara is nearly identical to the Great Pyramid which ironicaly also shows evidence of a missing sphinx nearby from my photo of that location.

My belief is that these Twin Pyramids and Twin Sphinxes were built ca.3500-4500.bC by Atlantean Tribes. When we consider this evidence,then it is not difficult to understand how the Egyptians managed to retain the legend of Atlantis Island.

4500.bC is also roughly computed from the term of 8000 years prior to 570.bC,either from biennial cattle counts or kings reigns of 14.41 years each. Where 8000 years is being spoken of as in terms of generations averaging 28.82 or 30 years each.

As such,the Egyptian priest clarified that the legend of Atlantis was recorded 8000 years prior to himself and preserved in the temples which were passed on through time. This coincides with Plato writing about Atlantis being founded after the Gods were allotted their lands and before ships and voyages were heard of or prior to 3200.bC.

The Egyptian calendar starts roughly ca.4241.bC which also reflects the 8000 years mentioned by the priest.

This era of 4500-3500 is a focal point for setting the Atlantean stage both from the viewpoint of the 8000 years mentioned and from when castes,or organized groups of tradespeople as told in Critias such as warriors with shields and spears,becomes apparent in our histories.

Inscribing pillars with laws and mighty curses can be realized in our histories around 3000.bC also such as the Sumerians reflect,the code of Hammurabi ca.1700.bC or the Phoenicians who relate Ousous consecrating 2 pillars around the founding of Tyre ca.2700.bC. Assyrian,Persians and Egyptian cultures all inscribed such things millenia prior to Crantor,Solon or Psonchis for the matter.

Naturaly,there is two viewpoints as to why and how the Egyptians retained the legend of Atlantis.

1) The impact of the biggest war contributed to being recorded

2) The Egyptians were simply preserving their Atlantean heritage which was later denounced and hidden.

When we also consider that the Atlanteans ruled Europe upto Tyrhennia and Libya upto Egypt and that Libyo-Atlanteans were the first settlers in the western delta of lower Egypt, then we can also say that our Libyan Atlantean tribes passed on the Atlantean legend to Egypt.


Critias warned us in the Timaeus that he was going to transfer the ancients into the future for his presentation to Socrates in the amphitheatre.

This became the "detailed" Critias dialogue written by Plato.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 04, 2009, 05:39:47 pm
Re; "Riven there,s nothing in the Atlantain story that suggest the Atlantians ever built Pyramids and Sphinxs."


Foremostly,as pro Atlantean and the belief that we are all in reality ancestors of the Atlanteans who taught us our different knowledges for survival on either side of the Atlantic, then it suffices to say that all structures of antiquity were built by Atlantean Tribes.

Especialy when we realize that by around 3000.bC many different cultures were awakened with an advanced form of technologies already like heiroglyphs,pictograms,writing systems,irrigation,canals,architecture,mathematics,astrologies,castes,animal husbandry,farming,metallurgies,etc,etc.

It's not difficult to tie in those cultures with Atlantis as many researchers already have.

Our Atlantean story tells us that Libya(Africa) was controlled by Atlantis upto Egypt.

In reality,that is only a statement by the egyptian priest to save face because it is quite apparent that the Atlanteans also controlled Egypt and gave her knowledge also.

It is not new knowledge to know that Libyan chiefs were also pharaohs prior to the dynasties as the palermo stone reveals as well as during the dynasties like the Libyan Pharaoh Amasis II who also gave us the Atlantean legend through his priests.

Do you think that it is coincidental that the Atlantean legend would be allowed to be revealed during the reign of a Libyan Pharaoh??

Then there is also the fact that maadi libyan atlanteans were predominant in settling lower egypt around memphis,abu roash and lake maeoris with a major Libyan province of Maerea that was subjugated prior to 3000.bC by upper egypt as the narmer and libyan palettes also testify to.

Maerea would also have had control over the ancient Sais and Buto cities as well.

The only thing left to do in reality is prove that the lion statues(sphinx) and pyramids were in fact built prior to 3000.bC which Dr.Robert Schoch and John west and even Herodotus have provided evidence for us that this is looking more likely probable.

The Atlantean story of Critias also tells us that the plain of Atlantis was abundant with canals and that the temple of poseidon was continuously added to from one generation of kings to the next.

This also reflects the delta nile with her many canals and the karnak temple of Egypt in memory of Atlantean customs and knowledge.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 05, 2009, 12:38:16 am
Re;.."One must also ask just exactly how long the Egyptians DID have the story in the first place.
Did they bring it with them after the flood? Oral is the best choice at that point in time."




The Egyptian Priest stated in the Timaeus dialogue;


"for which reason the traditions preserved here are the most ancient."
 
"they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples."

"For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war"

"the constitution is recorded in our sacred registers to be eight thousand years old."

 "As touching your citizens of nine thousand years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action; the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves."


Critias also told us that the city of Atlantis was built by Poseidon after the lands were allotted to the gods and before ships and voyages were heard of. This was also the time of Evanor,Leucippe,Cleito and the original 10 twin kings.


The Egyptian calendar is ca.4241.bC.

The Greatest Deluge of All was before the flood of Deukalion or before ca1450-1628.bC.

The Atlantean war occured prior to the greatest deluge of all.

The greatest deluge of all has to be the biblical flood not at 2350.bC but at 3253.bC.

After the flood,the city states of the Euphrates valley are first mentioned in the bible like Ur and Eridu.

These cities arose around 3000.bC and their flood legend from Nippur tablets which was used for the bible, predates 2000.bC.

Before Ships and voyages is prior to 3000.bC.

Egypt gained her independence after 3000.bC.(upper egypt/lower egypt)

8000 years prior to the Egyptian priest should still have recordings of Atlantis in the temples.

Think of 8000 years as actually 4000 years (generations/kings reigns/biennial cattle counts) or around 4500.bC which coincides with their calendar.

Sais and Buto were founded prior to 3000.bC.


The Atlantean records would have been in the temples since their origins of the said 8000 years prior to the egyptian priest or since 4500.bC.

Before 3000.bC, Libyan Maadi Atlanteans controlled lower egypt from Maerea province which would have also included Sais and Buto.

Libyan Maadi Atlantean Tribes built the Twin lions and Twin Pyramids prior to 3000.bC.

One set for the Sun and One set for the Moon.

Both measurements and longtitude/latitude co-ordinates for the lions and pyramids are the same.

The White Pyramid (Giza) is taller than the Gold Pyramid (Red-Saqqarra) because the Moon appears higher than the Sun.



The White Pyramid (Great/Giza)    29.58 N 31.08 E North  Moon

The Gold Pyramid (Red/Saqqarra)   29.48 N 31.12 E South  Sun


Red Pyramid
base 220m = 722 feet
43'22" angle of slope
height 104m = 343 feet

Great Pyramid
base originaly 230m = 754ft now 745ft
height originaly 146m = 481ft now 449ft
51'51" angle of slope



The Atlantean Twin Lions (Sphinx)

Giza Sphinx (centered on head) approx 235 x 70 feet at elbows.

29.58.30.91 N 31.08.15.69 E

Red Sphinx (Same)

29.48.58.75 N 31.12.02.63 E

North West of first large Pyramid, Missing Sphinx? Faces East.

*note; -near same measurements as Giza Sphinx and Twin Pyramid co-ordinates.
Wooden logs laid out in anticipation of, or recent exportation of a Sphinx in Google Earth Image.

Missing lion statue near Red Pyramid;

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1233998243896/what-is-atlantis/Missing%20Red%20Lion%20Sphinx%20of%20Avila%20Atlantis%20by%20Riven05.JPG)






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 20, 2009, 04:29:14 am
The Ten Kings of Atlantis translated by Paulo Riven.

Please note that these are Greek names of the meaning of the Atlantean names in Egyptian as translated by Solon.
They are not the actual Atlantean names.

The best name I can come up with for Atlantis is ATATANA which is also close to TATENEN.
As you can see,Atatana is comprised of 4 A's meaning The Family of Father,Mother,Son and Daughter, with 2 T's for Pillars  and N for Nu/Nun or Ocean. TA also means Earth in Egyptian as Terra also does for Europe.



Atlantis = Atlant (Fatherland, Risen Land, Island of Atlas, Foremost Island)

Father= Aita,(Basque)/ Patra,Atta,(Greek)/ Pater,(Latin)/ it,(Egyptian)

TA-TEN-EN = Old Egyptian > Risen Primordial Hill of Creation.
Hat.nt.iw = foremost island of Neith
Khenty-amenti - foremost of westerners

Plato translated Risen as epanateilantos > anateilantos > ateilantos > atilantos > atlantos > atlantis.
We can also relate the old Greek word of ATE as ruined land.


The Founders of Atlantis

Evenor ( primeval firstborn, arrive with strength, vanishing,Evadne/Euadne-Very Holy,Evenus/Euenos-River God, Eunomos-Good Order )
 
Leucippe (Lux Ipse-Light of Beautiful Self, White Shining Light, Grove of White Horses, White Poplar-Leuke)

Cleito (emperor’s favorite, famous, sloping hill, muse of history-Kleio)


The 10 Kings of Atlantis

Atlas ( Fatherson,risen son,foremost of the people;at-laos, enduring-tlao, ruined stone;ate-las=mountain=Giant man )

Gadeiros ( Great of body;Giant man, Green body of rivers, Gaaeus-herder of fish, Eumeleus-rich in sheep;Greek,great in goats;Phoenician)

Ampheres (to rest, at both sides, spiritual, Ampelos-Grapevine, disputing)

Evaemon ( fortunate woman, holy, River goddess, good order-Eunomos )

Mneseus ( memory of a great warrior or God, Minoan Sea Lord )

Autochthon ( earthborn , native, self acting;automatos)

Elassipos ( horse riding, rulers, golden, Eleos-merciful,Elpis-hope )

Mestor ( NNE middle, Suitor, advisor, highly regarded )

Azaes (Heat or Ashened one, dark skinned)

Diaprepes (Written Knowledge of God, Divine, highly distinguished )


Alternate theory for the Critias dialogue if Plato was sending a hidden message while imprisoned in Syracuse by Dionysius ca 360.bC by Paulo Riven.

The Secret of The 10 Atlantean Kings names from Plato’s Critias written 360.bC, (Critias = Latin = Hebrew Judges)

EvenorLeucippeCleitoAtlasGadeirusAmpheresEvaemonMneseusAutochthonElasippusMestorAzaesDiaprepes

Latin Boustrephodon (backwards)
se-perpaid-se-azar-otsem-suppi-saleno-h-th-cotua-suesen-mnomea-vesere-hp-masurie-dags-alt-aotiel-ceppicu-elron-eve

A 2,367 year old secret revealed from Paulo Riven.

Oftenly, their ruler, at his leisure would steal secretly to the Salentini secret society at the south east end of Italy with a band of brothers of the macedonian army, while you were accustomed to your memory, towards evening in a galley with seven banks of oars.
The Marsians (tall male germanic scythians) and Dacians (lower Danube) , went to where the high altar's fire is lit by the Boeotian women, the muses of Aonia near mount Helicon and the spring of Aganippe, the resort of the muses by the river Cephisus in Boeotia to compose by candlelight in the evening. - Paulo J.Tx.Mn (Riven) 2007.aD. (8489.aJA).

Translating the message of The Kings Names in relation to the Helicon Muses and the hidden meaning of the names;

Evanor - The Ruler
Leucippe - The General
Cleito - The meeting Hill of The Helicon Muses
Atlas - near a tall mountain - Helikon
Gadeiros - by the throat of a river - Cepphisus
Ampheres - on one side of the river (WEST - Griffin Cultures / Cobra)

Evaemon - Cyrene Libyan Greeks and Iberrio Celtic Etruscans (Africa and Europe)
Mneseus - Atlantean Minoan Lord of The Mediterranean and Delta Nile (ref:Atlantis)

Autochthon - who are indegenious to these lands (Europe and Africa)

Elasippus - fought the horse riders on the other side of the river (EAST - Serpent Cultures / Vulture)

Mestor - the Persian Phoenicians Sumerians and Egyptians
Azaes - the Nubians and Arabians
Diaprepes - and the Aethiopians and India (Secrets of Tanzania / JA)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 21, 2009, 03:11:05 am
Here is a multitude of words in Sanskrit that reference my vision and photographs of God's name JA written on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo and the image of His face with a tied beard on the airshaft stoneplug inside the Great pyramid also.

As is known, Jainism was worshipped by millions in Africa,Asia until roughly 600.bC or to the advent of the Black Bible of Broken Oracles being written ca 450.bC. We can even find words with JA in Linear A. In Linear A,the letter J is drawn by the symbol that resembles the Djet pillar of Egypt which was the backbone of Ptah. Dare we say DaJat or of JA like Djehuty for Thoth the father of Egyptian knowledge? Or Djanna and Djenne for mountains in Africa and Asia? Mountains of JA.

You'll also notice in the chart below that Jaayaa is a wife of female companion. Further proof that Yahoweh is a blasphemy which symbolizes a female goddess(Yoruba on the three headed dragon in kenya) when written with a Y and should at least be written properly as Ja-howeh which they changed to Jehovah. They can't hide JA for their own sorry donkeys and ash trees.

Sad that these people like many including muslims and islams or any religions, have forgotten or strayed away from God with their own new gods of blasphemies upon themselves, and so they all suffer.

It is also common understanding that many names with J, like Jesus,Jacob,Joseph,John,Jehovah,etc,etc are all related to holy significances for many languages.

The further away from the origin the closer to a great lie.
So it is that they strayed from His Garden of Avila in Tansania,Africa.

Letters don't lie, humans do.


ja = Born

jaahnavii = the River Ganges

jaanaati = knows

jaaniite = know

jaane = I know

jaapyasameta = with chanting of the names of the lord

jaata = born, become (from jan.h, to be born, or created)*= mfn.

jaataM = having become

jaataH = of all beings

jaatu = at any time

jaayante = develop

jaayaa = Wife, female companion, spouse,

jabhU* = m. `" being in a lotus "', the god Brahmâ.

jagat.h = universe

jagataH = of the world

jagataaM = of the Universe

jagatpate = O Lord of the entire universe

jagrat.h = awakened

jala = Water

jalaM = (Nr.non. + acc.S)water

jaladhi = sea/ ocean

ja.ntuunaaM = (Nr.Poss.pl.) living beings; insects

jangamaM = moving

jan.h = to to be born or produced

jana = man: * = mf({I})n.

janaanta* = m. a number of men

janaH = people

janaka = father

janana = birth\

jananaM = birth

jananii = mother

janaaH = persons

janaadhipaH = kings

janaanaaM = of the persons

janaardana = O maintainer of all living entities

jantavaH = the living entities

japati = (1 pp) to mutter, mumble

japannityaM = japan+nityaM, chanting+ever

japayaGYaH = chanting

japtvaa = having chanted

jaraa = old age

jatha *= mfn. wearing twisted locks of hair

jathi* =m f. twisted hair L.; a mass, multitude

jaya = victory

jayaH = victory

jayema = we may conquer

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.html


Isn't it strange that St.George slays the Dragon and this Jorge slayed the Obsidian dragon (Zathanel Hatuptah=Satan) and sealed it in the pit in Kenya's rift valley with the help of JA?

After 8 years,the rains fell on Tansania around the same time and fireballs appeared over india and our earth suddenly warmed up that January,2006

I would imagine since it was an entity of 7 light years in size trying to get our Son's soul in Carina Nebula for 5480 years.

That is the secret knowledge of the Pyramids.


My condolensces Freemasons,but your masters time did have an end that was ordained by a Dragon Slayer with The Sword of Avila.

AeJor Mn
Mr.44
Ascender of The Son
Rescuer of The Cup

SaJa - AeJA Mn.


8491.aJA.










Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 27, 2009, 06:04:03 pm
The Bible Code

enter query: paulo riven

http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/bibledefault.aspx?q=paulo+riven&num=1

The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 29:12 
And ye shall call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. 

The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 29:13 
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

enter query; paulo riven eden

http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/bibledefault.aspx?q=paulo+riven+eden&num=1

The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 30:19 
And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small. 

The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 30:20 
Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me and I will punish all that oppress them. 

The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 30:21 
And their prince shall be of themselves, and their ruler shall proceed from the midst of them and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me for who is he that hath had boldness to approach unto me? saith Jehovah. 

The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 30:22 
And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 

The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah 30:23 
Behold, the tempest of Jehovah, [even his] wrath, is gone forth, a sweeping tempest it shall burst upon the head of the wicked. 
 


enter query; paulo jorge men

The Second Book of Moses, Called Exodus 8:19 
Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God and Pharaohs heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them as Jehovah had spoken. 

The Second Book of Moses, Called Exodus 8:20 
And Jehovah said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh lo, he cometh forth to the water and say unto him, Thus saith Jehovah, Let my people go, that they may serve me. 
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/bibledefault.aspx?q=paulo+jorge+men&num=1

http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/bibledefault.aspx?q=paulo+jorge+men+eden&num=1

http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/bibledefault.aspx?q=paulo+jorge+men+eden+god&num=1



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 27, 2009, 10:28:39 pm
In the Critias we find this quote;

Quote
The palaces in the interior of the citadel were constructed on this wise:-in the centre was a holy temple dedicated to Cleito and Poseidon, which remained inaccessible, and was surrounded by an enclosure of gold; this was the spot where the family of the ten princes first saw the light, and thither the people annually brought the fruits of the earth in their season from all the ten portions, to be an offering to each of the ten.

Now,there may be different viewpoints of interpreting "the light". Was it simply a break in the clouds where the sunshine shone on a spot foretelling their city? A mystic light from God? A mystic light from a spaceship?

In any case,it bears spiritual meaning and as such it is nothing new to know that some people relate Atlantis with the Garden of Eden considering it's fruitful flora and fauna.

In my view,there was 2 such gardens of creation for our time which refer to Atlantis I and Atlantis II.

The First Garden was when Atlantis Island was the original middle earth as outlined from our idea of the once large continent of pangea. As the continents separated,the island remained in the Atlantic ocean.

This original Atlantis was finaly destroyed from our greatest disaster at 6482.bC.

These two maps will outline that thought.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871544438/what-is-atlantis/PangaeaThethys_PauloRiven_Atlantis.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235870743256/what-is-atlantis/Alluvial%20Atlantis%20100000bC%20Riven%2005.JPG)

Then,Atlantis II and The Second Garden of Creation was formed from the once large island of Tansania,Africa when it was surrounded by water. This location was effected by a second great flood at 3253.bC which is the great flood we all remember in our legends.

As you know this is the site of my Garden of Avila (eden) revelation.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871336798/what-is-atlantis/AtlantisII_Physical_Riven07.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235871240875/what-is-atlantis/Atlantis_Avila_Revealed_PauloRiven_2007ad.JPG)

This stone map from the Cyclades islands I found in a Greek museum dated to around 2800.bC,identifies with Tansania because of the 5 mountains which surround Atlantis.

This is one of the best physical evidences we have for Atlantis.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1233997949003/what-is-atlantis/Cycladic_Map_of_Atlantis_2800bC.jpg)

I find it ironic that my pseudo name or real name can both be associated in the bible code with reference to eden.

Maybe there is real magic in the rains falling on Tansania after an 8 year drought when I revealed the garden in 2006. :)

I know it seems confusing,but that's the impression I get.



 


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on May 28, 2009, 09:34:30 am
Hi Riven
Quote
The palaces in the interior of the citadel were constructed on this wise:-in the centre was a holy temple dedicated to Cleito and Poseidon, which remained inaccessible, and was surrounded by an enclosure of gold; this was the spot where the family of the ten princes first saw the light, and thither the people annually brought the fruits of the earth in their season from all the ten portions, to be an offering to each of the ten.


The place where a person first sees the light, is where they're born.  And since it refers to the ten princes all at once, I suggest it simply means that Cleito had the kids there.  Probably in her parents home that she'd lived in before she got pregnant.  Seems like a good place to start building from, a structure that was already there and honoring the spot where the couple "coupled" and gave birth.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 30, 2009, 12:51:16 am
That's also a good viewpoint Qoasis. :)

Here's a beautiful picture of that newer island (Atlantis Rising) south east of Madeira island. The island is called Desertas Islands (Desert Island).

In google earth the front half portion of the island in this picture is blurred out. Looks like beach sand on top which could be why they call it Desert island... (hmmmmmmm??)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/12690758.jpg)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on May 30, 2009, 12:58:41 am
Really?  How long has it been rising and who named it?  Why do you think it's blurred out in Google?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Abrien Cane on May 31, 2009, 06:08:24 pm
Google Earth is a bit of a poor reference when it comes to pictures, I have found.  Some of the images are a bit old.  It would be nice if we had actual satellite surveillance of the entire earth, in real time, but we don't have that.  It is basically a compilation of old satellite images cobbled together to make a single picture of the earth, some of it old, some of it new.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Abrien Cane on May 31, 2009, 06:08:58 pm
Nice images, though, Riven.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 06, 2009, 05:26:42 pm
Qoais;

It would only be blurred out in google for 2 reasons,either they don't want us to see something on top or they just don't have the data. Here's some info on the islands that I could find.

Generally,most islands in the oceans are in the range of 120+million years of age. The Desertas appear to be much newer considering the scarcity of soil,flora and fauna.

The ILhas Desertas or Desert Islands are a Portuguese archipelago about 25 km south-east of Madeira island of which they are also part of the municipality of Santa Cruz,Madeira.

At present we don't have much geological data of the island which became designated as a nature reserve in 1990.

The Desertas are a volcanic group of 3 long and narrow islands that extend some 23 km in a north-south direction and although they are close to the madeira island, the desertas is barren of soil and water is scarce which gave rise to it's name as the deserted islands when it was discovered in the 14th century.

The islands are said to have been discovered by Joao Goncalves Zarco in 1419/20 during his first voyage and named Desertas by him because of it's scarcity to sustain life.


Hi Abrien Cane and welcome to Atlantis Online.

I can only say that we are fortunate to live in a world of computers and google earth! Obviously it would be difficult for us to have "real time" data due to military and secrets not meant for us to know.

There sure is a lot of strange and unexplained pictures in google earth like my kenya rift valley or garden of eden pictures for example, and how my face as a child appears on the babe in eden or the two letters of God's name JA written on top of the Great Pyramid!

That was using google earth in 2006. Today they have overlayed the image in the garden which doesn't compare to my photo and they also added more light around the great pyramid so the letters are not visible.

If you have an older google program and don't update it,then you will also notice that this is true.

Are these images some kind of illuminati code hidden in google earth or are they actualy the hand of God meant for me to see and reveal?

Naturaly,I believe that they are the mysterious hand of God because why would the illuminati want to put my face in google earth or write God's name JA on top of the pyramid when they like the freemasons believe Lucifer is their god?

Not only that,but the Hubble space telescope picture which reveals the face of the "fallen zon" compares to it's face in the image next to the pit of kenya photo in the rift valley.

It's a strange google earth!



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 07, 2009, 02:57:23 am
Arabic MS. of Masondi ca.967.aD copied from an old Coptic papyrus.

Vyse,(great pyramid archaeologist),vol II,p.330 gives an account of this papyrus;

-papyrus inscribed in ancient coptic found on the breast of a body wrapped in cloth in the monastery of Abou Hormeis.
-translated into Arabic ca.847.aD.

-In the first year of King Diocletian an account was taken from a book,copied in the first year of King Phillippius.(Alexander The Great)

-Moses of Chorene mentions that Valasarces sent his brother named Mariba (who was the governor of Armenia) to enquire into the ancient history of Armenia. He found in the archives of Nineveh, a book translated from Chaldaic into Greek by order of Alexander The Great,which contained ancient historical records.

-Valasarces orders it to be inscribed on a column.

-the papyrus alludes to King Philippus(Alexander The Great) having an inscription of great antiquity on a tablet of gold,translated by two brothers, Ilwa and Gercha who claimed descent from one of the ancient people of Egypt who were related to the people in Noah's Ark. That is why they were able to translate the tablet which no other learned man of Alexander could.

-These books were written 1785 years prior Alexander'325 = 2110.bC.

-the books contained 2,372 years of history before the building of the pyramids from which the golden tablet was made.

-Scipio Africanus said he had a copy of the books

-Quote from the book;
"We have seen what the stars foretold; we saw the calamity descending from the heavens and going out from the earth, and we were convinced the waters would destroy the earth, with the inhabitants and plants thereof. We told this to King Surid ben Shaluk; he built the Pyramids for the safety of us,and also as tombs for himself and his household."

(King Shaluk could reference biblical Lamech)

-upon the walls were written mysteries of science,astonomy,geometry,physic and much knowledge.

-Dr Sprenger says, this was translated into coptic A.H.225(847.aD) 4321 years after the construction of the pyramid.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BHsBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=3474bc&source=bl&ots=pSt_QPqnQ3&sig=4HpMey_yUYS8PzZVhKLZhI3kuak&hl=en&ei=KRArSpb8EIbksgPFh8HrCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA143,M1

(page 143 in link)


------------4321 - 847 = 3474.bC!!!-----------------

-the author notes a relation with the pyramids to Draconis but is unsure of what THE STAR is.

Author;

Menes and Cheops
Identified in History
by Carl Von Rikart

London, 1869.aD.


Does 3474.bC ring a bell?




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 07, 2009, 04:02:41 am
Compare these two pictures between the front paws of the Sphinx.

Notice that a taller adjoining stele on the left is missing and it appears that the top is broken off on the ground.

And two square blocks of stone in front,perhaps for sitting are also missing in the drawing from Caviglia's excavation ca.1818.aD.

It also appears to be either a little dog or a baby sphinx sitting between the two squares. :)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1244364040572/what-is-atlantis/Dream%20Stele.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1244363995943/what-is-atlantis/cavigllia%201818ad_PauloRiven.jpg)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 07, 2009, 05:26:59 am
One small step for me, one giant step for Atlanteans. :)

Make sure you view the last two posts before reading this one!


I mentioned before;

Q - Why would there be stoneplugs in the airshafts of the Great Pyramid when they were needed to let air in?

A - To keep something out! The Pyramids were built to endure the Great Deluge = ARK.

-The Pyramids are the work of God's will upon the Atlanteans who built them prior to the deluge of 3253.bC.
-The Pyramids and the Sphinx are also meant to remind us of God and His Son.

In January 2006, I revealed God's name JA written on top of the Great Pyramid and the image of His face on the airshaft Stoneplug and that God's work's were upon me.

Then I "sensed" that His Son had been murdered in a Temple in Saqqara on Dec.10th at 8:08am in 3474.bC by Snoferu.
Cheops(Khufu) then created the Sun Temples and 885 years went missing to disguise his father's stain. Khufu's grandfather,Huni,was also a cannibal and wanted to be his own god. As Herodotus told us, Khufu and Chefren realized why Egypt was to be cursed for 150 years but Menkaure didn't and Djedefre as we know moved to Abu Roash to build his pyramid.

"Sensing" that God's Son had been murdered and realizing why I had a physical vision at 19 years of age of evil arising through egypt,I sought to want to know more about His Son. That is when the Tale of the Shipwrecked Sailor allowed me to find the Temple of The Son that was transported some 5000 miles away from Egypt and a replica "shadow" of the temple is also to be found where the pillar of pompeii stands in Alexandria in likeness to Saqqara's.

- I also found what appears to be a missing sphinx near the Red Pyramid with the same dimensions as Cairo's sphinx.

- Then I sensed to decode the pyramids with my pythagorean map which pointed me to the Carina Nebula star system that led me to find the most amazing photo from the Hubble Telescope of the Ascension of The Son and The Sacred Cup.

- This then enabled me to find the Garden of Avila(Eden) in Tansania and Zatan's Rift Valley in Kenya where he fell into the pit of calling and the 3 headed dragon and dark seal were also revealed and the rains fell upon Tansania after an 8 year drought and fireballs were seen over India...from revealing THE TRUTH.

This Truth of our materia world altered the immateria world and set time back to 10:10 from 11:11 and stopped the ticking clock of 8888(13:13) with some 400 years left for us all.(2406.aD)

-We just saw the post above that I found this morning of the pyramids being claimed as a refuge from the deluge and that they were built ca.3474.bC and that the author felt that they were inclined to A STAR but not so much to the Dracon star system.

-The Atlantean war was prior to 3250.bC and the great deluge (biblical flood) of 3253.bC resulted in the end of that war.
-The Double Falcon era was also an ATlantean era in Egypt ca 3250-4250.
-The Pyramids and Sphinxes were built by Atlanteans.

IF we can confirm the Pyramids being built at 3474.bC,then the Lux of Ipse and Spirence and my experience as outlined above would tell me that since they murdered God's Son in the ritual to alter the Golden Orus to Black H-orus or exchange the Risen Son-SA for the Fallen Zon-ZA and allow that evil entity into our Earth,that they had condemned themselves and that the evil entity (Zathanel Hatuptah-Dark Prince) was going to topple our Earth.

So God set the Atlanteans on a mission to build the pyramids to survive the flood and left His name on top to remind me of Him and His Son in Carina Nebula where the Sphinx gazes to after 5480 years!

Dec.10th is ironicaly,also the birthday of Horus in Egypt!

In 3474.bC,as I revealed astrologicaly, the constellation Crux(Cross) is upside down in...DRACO.

THE STAR that the Pyramids should then be aligned to that the above author pondered about, would not be Sirius but as my revelation also detailed was formed as Jupiter was also overhead in DRACO, is...


-------------MERCURY and VENUS---------------------forming one big bright star (Hephaestus and AThena).


Further evidence that the pyramids are the works of God and a reminder of His Son, not only by our memory of a bright star reminding us of Him but also of the pyramids being aligned to that star!

The Greatest Mystery was finding His Son's spirit to save Him from that 7 light year in size behemoth and his cohort with Judas' broken zoul.


Who would've thought we would have to play the Ocarina of Time on the Harmonica?

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1244370084318/garden-of-avila/Museum19%20Atlantean%20Alentejo%20Stone%206000bC.jpg)





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Tom Hebert on June 07, 2009, 06:27:31 am
Father= Aita,(Basque)/ Patra,Atta,(Greek)/ Pater,(Latin)/ it,(Egyptian)

Could this also be related to the Aramaic:  Abba = Father?



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on June 07, 2009, 09:37:55 am
So since orthodoxy figures the great pyramid was built about 2560, you'd need to find a way to add about a thousand years to that date right?The only thing they've got going for them, and I think it's a plant, is that there's "grafitti" on a stone in the relieving chamber above the kings chamber whereon the name of Khufu is written.  This writting wraps around the block so as to be also on a side that is butt up against another block and therefore, the writing had to be put there when the pyramid was being built.  Since I don't trust Mr. Hawass in the least, it would not surprise me to find that when he closed the king's chamber for "cleaning" a while back, he managed to slide this block out, write on it, and slide it back in again.  It would not have been impossible. For all we know, they may never have been a block in that particular spot and he may have added one with writing on it and it would not appear out of place.  It seems strange to me that for all the years since the pyramid was open to the public, not one person, no one from the antiquities department, no zealous scholar, no kid farting around even, happened to notice this writing that trailed off to one side and disappeared between the blocks.  Doesn't it seem strange that fo as many people who have gone over the whole thing with a fine tooth comb, not one person except Zahi Hawass noticed this writing?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Tom Hebert on June 07, 2009, 01:09:10 pm
Was it Khufu that wrapped around the stone or some other graffiti?  At any rate,  it's entirely possible that we don't understand the ancient meaning of Khufu.  What if the pharaoh was named after the Pyramid rather than the other way around?
 


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on June 07, 2009, 08:37:15 pm
Hi Tom
I would have to go back in my thread a ways to check on it but I'm pretty sure it was the cartouche (is that the right word for that oval with the signs in it?) of Khufu that Hawass said was in there, and he showed it to one of the fringe writers (can't remember which one now) who had to retract whatever it was he'd written about a theory of when the pyramid was built or what it was for. So- without coming right out and calling Hawass a liar and a fraud, that writer gave a written withdrawal.  I'm not sure how far back in my thread I posted about it.  It could even be in the thread about Egypt, the Giza plateau or Pyramids or somewhere.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 08, 2009, 03:14:25 pm
Hi Tom;

Yes, Ab or Abba would also fit in, actualy any name for Father would.

A = Origin,Foremost,Father,Sire,beginning.

hat in egyptian also meant "foremost" like Hatshepsut for example.

Atlas or At-laos can also mean "foremost(at) of the people(laos)"

Adam was the first man, Alorus was first king of Sumer,Atlas first king of Atlantis(besides Evanor),Aeon first king of Phoenicia.

I also theorized an Egyptian name for Atlantis from "hat" as in Hat.nt.iw or "foremost island of Neith".

We can also compare this to Khenti Amenti "foremost of westerners".


Qoais;

One of the common rumors is that the assistant archaeologist Vyse, I think it was, wrote the heiroglyphs for Khufu out of spite for his boss and wanting more recognition for himself.

Naturaly,it would be suspicious if the heiroglyphs disappeared behind an adjoining block which would mean as you suggest,that the block was pulled out and altered then replaced or they added a layer of cement over top and wrote on it after like Abydos where that plaster fell off revealing those airships.

Obviously,as I pointed out in the sphinx photos above,they must have recorded what was on that missing stele in front of the sphinx and why is it missing?

It's also interesting as to why the Dream Stele shows two sphinxes and they both sit atop a temple. Would their have been or is there a temple below the sphinx? The walls of the Temple would naturaly have been the Hall of Records?

Or was the Sphinx lifted and the Temple dismantled then refilled?

Second Sphinx near Red Pyramid?

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1233998243896/what-is-atlantis/Missing%20Red%20Lion%20Sphinx%20of%20Avila%20Atlantis%20by%20Riven05.JPG)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 08, 2009, 05:20:05 pm
Qoais;

(http://www2.odn.ne.jp/hideorospages/khuhu.jpg)

Khufu

(http://www2.odn.ne.jp/hideorospages/zu17.jpg)

Rahta

(http://www2.odn.ne.jp/hideorospages/zu18.jpg)

Quote;"Ra-Ta" is said to have been a great priest and a leader of the construction of the pyramids more than 12,000 years ago in Cayce's reading .

http://www2.odn.ne.jp/hideorospages/pyramid005.html


Personaly, I definitely do not agree that the first sign is Ra or a dot inside a circle for the Sun or Daytime.
From the photo,you can clearly see that it is a circle with horizontal lines that would represent, X,ch or kh.
I do agree though,that the birds look like adults rather than chicks which would then be A instead of U.
The sign in the middle is difficult to say, but it clearly is not a horned snake or f. It appears to either be another form of K or perhaps a B.

The best I can guess would be either Raneb whose king name is Kakau in the 2nd dynasty or Khaba who was a couple of hundred years prior to Khufu. (khaba-huni-snoferu-khufu)


khaba (chaba) ca.2640?

Manetho = Mesochris = 28 years
turin kinglist = 6 years

His name is marked as "erased" on the turin kinglist.

http://www.phouka.com/pharaoh/pharaoh/dynasties/dyn03/04khaba.html






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on June 08, 2009, 08:09:25 pm
Hi Paulo
Yes, I knew about the Vyse thing, but this particular item I'm talking about is a Hawass thing not a Vyse thing.  I've seen pictures of the cartouches you've shown and I think a similar explanation was given regarding the lines in the circle as compared to the dot. 

It is most curious about that missing item in front of the sphinx.  I think since the Sphinx sits on bedrock, it would not be the Sphinx tht was moved.

Cayce WAS RaTa wah he not?

If I have time, I'll try to find that bit about the grafitti going round the side of the stone.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on June 08, 2009, 09:59:35 pm
Ok - it was back on about page 31 of my "recent posts", where we were discussing this same thing and Tom mentioned at that time that Khufu could have been named for the pyramid, but how could that be if there really was no name on the pyramid?

Here is a link to the web site that gives a great explanation for the Vyse fraud.  Is this the one you were using Paulo?

http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt_1.htm


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Tom Hebert on June 09, 2009, 05:58:07 am
Ok - it was back on about page 31 of my "recent posts", where we were discussing this same thing and Tom mentioned at that time that Khufu could have been named for the pyramid, but how could that be if there really was no name on the pyramid?

Well, that's a big IF, isn't it?  Orthodox Egyptologists claim that the Khufu quarry marks are proof that Khufu built the GP around 2700 B.C.  But what if Khufu was really the name of an ancient God or hero or patriarch and the more recent pharaoh adopted the name for himself.  That has certainly occurred in history before.

Tom




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on June 09, 2009, 09:32:09 am
Of course one king can use the name of a previous king.  I mean, how many kids in Mexico get hay-zoose (Jesus) ;D

I find that absolutely hilarious.  That the quarry marks would be different from on reign to the next so we can tell which ones were made in the time of Khufu.  Supposedly they were all quarried with stone and copper tools so how would the marks be any different?  Except of course where it shows they were cut with a high speed blade? :D

So you'd be right Tom.  Since the only blocks that show high speed cutting are in the King's chamber, perhaps there was a more ancient king called Khufu (who was remembered somehow by the Egyptians) who built the GP.  Because the Egyptians themselves say they did not build it.  But if they don't know who built it, how would they know his name was Khufu?  Maybe you're wrong Tom!! :)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 10, 2009, 12:41:39 am
Thanks Qoais, no that wasn't the website, but your weblink has a much better picture.

Well,it appears that there is not two sphinxes missing...but 3.

2 on the dream stele and 1 on the cavigllia stele.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1244611276057/what-is-atlantis/missing%20stele_cavigllia%201818ad_PauloRiven.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1244610933894/what-is-atlantis/cavigllia%201818ad_PauloRiven.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1244364040572/what-is-atlantis/Dream%20Stele.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1233998243896/what-is-atlantis/Missing%20Red%20Lion%20Sphinx%20of%20Avila%20Atlantis%20by%20Riven05.JPG)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 10, 2009, 02:03:03 am
A = 1 = Origin,Father,Sire,beginning = God
AA = 2 = Mother
AAA = 3 = Son (That's why I use 111)
AAAA = 4 = Daughter

AAAA = 1111 = God's Family

AAAAA = 5 = Baby = Change

Note that in Cavigllia's sketch above that there is a little dog laying between the 2 blocks of stone.

2 Pyramids in Cairo and 1 in Saqqara = 3 nearly identical pyramids. (111)

3 pyramids match upto the 3 sphinxes on the 2 steles in front of the Sphinx of Cairo. (2 on the Dream Stele, 1 on Cavigllia Stele)

The little dog would also symbolize a BABY SPHINX which would mean a SMALL PYRAMID!

Is not the SMALL PYRAMID next to the 2 Pyramids in Cairo understood as being that of the Pharaohs daughter?

Was there a Baby Sphinx in front of that pyramid?

Only 1 Sphinx is visible today!

And what about their symbolism of being mounted on top of a Temple = Hall of Records?

That would mean that since The Son was murdered at Saqqara that the Red Pyramid would be appropriately called The Sun Pyramid as I suggested.

Then the Moon Pyramid(Great)would be Father's Pyramid with His Wife next to His and the smaller one His Daughter's.!!!

This makes sense with my google photo of His name JA being written on top of the Great Pyramid and His image inside on the airshaft stoneplug!

Even though that's not His Real Name, for no one can know His name,but JA is fine for us as it is in antiquity prior to the Bible.

We know what happened to Ra when Isis poisoned him to reveal his name to her, now don't we....

That's why the Cross is 4 perfect linear lines of infinite growth which also symbolizes 4/4 = 1 = Whole.

But the Egyptian black arts twisted the top around and back into itself.(your mind)

So it is in linear A that the letter Z is drawn by an Egyptian Ankh.

Sa = Risen Son = Golden Orus
Za = Fallen Son = Black H-orus

And so it was that a great Darkness fell upon the Earth,and the night separated the day.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on June 10, 2009, 10:03:55 am
Well just how old would the pyramids be then?  Because it was back when the earth first formed that night separated day.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 11, 2009, 02:29:56 pm
Qoais;

I suggest the pyramids were built ca.3500.bC and at a time prior to the biblical flood which I date at 3253.bC. I also suggest the Atlantean war was in this time also because it was prior to the "greatest deluge of all" (biblical flood) as stated in The Critias, amongst some of the many evidences for this era prior 3200.bC.

The expression of "day being separated by night" is meant towards the act of the murder of The Son and so a great evil (darkness) was brought into this world.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 12, 2009, 02:57:01 am
In the Abydos kings list,the 19th cartouche is read as Neferka-ra (beautiful is the soul of ra), this should be Snoferu's father Huni which would also make sense with "nfr" being in both their names. What I've read so far is that they attribute neferka to the "erased" pharaoh Khaba.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Abydos_Koenigsliste_15-19.jpg/700px-Abydos_Koenigsliste_15-19.jpg)

The sun at the top of the glyphs stands for Ra, where some names it also stands for Re without any sign to distinguish the difference of Ra or Re.

This use of "NFR" for "beautiful" was first used by Neferka-ra, which ironicaly also looks like a cross or a dagger into a heart,and the nome of snoferu was also called the nome of the knife. Lisht,I think it was?

Also,what is ironic, is that Nefarious today is meant as impious or evil. This all relates to the 150 years of darkness upon Egypt for the sons of Huni or Neferka and my revelation of snoferu murdering The Son or Philitis The Good Shepherd on Dec.10th,3474.bC at 8:08am.

This even gets more peculiar when upon closer examination of glyph 21 which is supposed to say "Khufu-ra".

As you will notice as I did, there is NO K or KH inscribed by a glyph! Rather all we read is...FW or FU which would be FW-RA or FU-RA when we use the sun glyph above his name.

Notice his son,no 23 says Khaf-re and has a glyph for KH?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Abydos_Koenigsliste_20-25.jpg/700px-Abydos_Koenigsliste_20-25.jpg)

Now think about this,since we know that Khufu was a wicked pharaoh from the westcar papyrus and his curse. The Germans have also been major surveyors and scholars of Egypt which also includes searching for Atlantis!

KHUFU = FU RE = FUHRER

Führer was the title granted by Chancellor Hitler to himself!


Abydos kings list article;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abydos_King_List





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 13, 2009, 05:32:45 am
These are the names Manetho gives for;

sephouris or Suphis = Huni
soris = Snofru
suphis I = Khufu (Kheops/Cheops/Xeops)
suphis II = Khafre (Khefren/Chefren/Xefren)

Practicaly every pharaoh with a "K" in their names Manetho uses the letters "CH".

Kakaw = Kaiechos
Aaka = Chaires
Neferkare = Nefercheres
Khasekhemwi = Cheneris
Mykerinos = Mencheres
Shepseskaf = Sebercheres
Userkaf = Usercheres
Neferirkare = Neferchres
Shepseskare = Cheres
Djedkare = Tencheres
Bakare = Bicheris

So why would Manetho,a Greek/Egyptian scholar name those specific pharaohs of the cursed family of Huni as listed above?

The only words I could find in perseus tufts greek dictionary lookup are;

suphar; 

A. a piece of old or wrinkled skin, Sophr.55, Call.Fr.49; Slough of a serpent, Luc.Herm.79, cf. Phryn.PS p.114 B.

su^pheos; 

A. hog-sty, Od.10.238, 14.13,73, Parth.12.2;

(same for supheios or suphos)

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/resolveform?lookup=suph&type=begin&lang=greek&searchText=&options=Sort+Results+Alphabetically&.submit=Submit+Query&formentry=1&lang=greek

soros = a vessel for holding

sephtheis = sebomai = to feel awe or fear

seipha = skotia = dark

Should we suppose that Manetho was trying to tell us something along the lines as I have been saying why they cursed Egypt for 150 years because of Philitis The Good Shepherd's ritual murder on Dec.10th,3474.bC? (Khufu was also present with Snoferu)


Seraphaim- seraphim,hebrew name in bible(beings with six wings who praise yahweh)

hebrew verb "saraph" to consume with fire

hebrew noun "saraph" a fiery and flying serpent

babylonian name for Nergal,the fire god is "Sharrapu"

egyptian griffens = seref (placed as guardians of graves)


Seraph snakes are sent to punish the israelites

Some Seraphim are; Metatron,Kemuel,Nathanael,Gabriel and Lucifer (encyclopedia mythica)

Serapis/Sarapis - an Egyptian God

Serapaeum - tomb of Apis bulls
serapeion-temple of serapis (sara-pion/pieia)
festival at tanagra

Serāpis
or Sarāpis (Sarapis; Egyptian, Asarhapi=Osiris-Apis). The Egyptian god Osiris (q.v.), in the character of god of the lower world; his corresponding incarnation as the god of the upper world was the bull Apis. (See Apis.) His worship was first independently developed in the time of the Ptolemies in Alexandria, the most beautiful ornament of which city was the magnificent temple of Serapis, the Serapeum. By the elimination of foreign elements, the conception of the god was so widely extended as to include the Egyptian Osiris, the Greek Pluto, the Greek god of healing, Asclepius, and Zeus-Iupiter. This new worship (together with the cult of Isis) rapidly spread from Egypt over the Asiatic coast, the Greek islands, and Greece itself, and found a firm footing even in Rome and Italy, in spite of repeated interference on the part of the State. Under the Empire, particularly in the time of Hadrian, it extended throughout the Roman world. (See Isis.) There was a fine temple to Serapis at Puteoli, of which remains still exist.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Serapis.jpg)

Serapis was especially worshipped as a god of healing, and with his temples were connected dream-oracles that were much resorted to. He was represented, like Pluto, with an animal by his side, having the head of a dog, lion, or wolf, and a serpent coiled round its body. As Zeus-Serapis he is to be seen in the colossal bust in the Vatican, with a modius, or corn-measure, the symbol of the lower world, upon his head.


Babylonian God Ea(Enki) also titled "Serapsi" = king of the deep


Pillar of Pompeii in Alexandria above the original site of the Serapeum.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Egypt.Alexandria.PompeysPillar.01.jpg/327px-Egypt.Alexandria.PompeysPillar.01.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapeum

Google Earth Satellite photo that I took of the Pillar of Pompeii. Compare to the temple below.

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_kFbAIcD7mME/SiHk177XCJI/AAAAAAAAACs/OuAZtYohyZ4/s400/Alexandria%20Replica%20of%20The%20Lion%20Temple%20of%20Man%20Riven%2006.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1235873017057/garden-of-avila/The%20Relocated%20%20Temple%20of%20Fire%20Tomb%20of%20His%20Holiness%20Riven06.JPG)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 22, 2009, 02:33:59 am
We have seen how Atlas can mean "to endure" from Greek for "Tlas".

Other meanings are;

ate-laas = ate; ruin, laas; stone, "ruined stone" (greek)

at-laos = atte; father, laos; people "father of the people" (greek)

Or Egyptian; Hat = foremost,first established, it = father

Hat-remet or at-laos would be "foremost father of the people".

A = origin,foremost,first established,sired,fathered,beginning.

khenti-amenti is also "foremost of the westerners".

epanateilantos = greek for "risen land"

Tatenen = Egyptian for "risen land" or "God's Risen land" since Tatenen is also a God of Egypt.

We can also compare this to Memphis in it's older name of Hiku-ptah or Heka-ptah which can also be identified with Tatenen and Risen land.

The Heiroglyph or a kneeling god with risen arms is H.H or Heh.

The Heiroglyph of risen arms is KA.

We are aware that the Risen Arms glyph not only considered to represent Geb or Ptah but also Atlas.

So in a sense,Hiku or Heka can also mean Risen which ironicaly, Heka is the magic of Egypt.

Memphis was where Pharaoh Menes established the first temple to the god Ptah on an island in the Nile Delta.

Pharaoh Menes also was married to Neit-hotep and built the first temple of Neith in Sais,Egypt.

I  have also suggested how Atlantis can be interpreted in Egyptian as Hat.nt.iw for "foremost island of neith" where iw in egyptian means island like "is" at the end of AT-la-NT-IS can also be thought of as Isle or "iw".

The name Atlan.t(is) can also be considered a feminine name as clarified by the letter .t at the end for female or women in Egyptian or Semitic languages.

The relevance with NT or Neit is striking since we are also aware that not only is She mentioned in The Timaeus or Critias as being the same goddess worshipped by the Greeks as AThena, but also that She strongly represents Lower Egypt and is claimed to have originated in LIBYA,perhaps around the Atalantes regions of Lake Tritonis or somewhere near to Geb who also is associated with Libya.

(This is also a good point of how Plato or Solon had knowledge of AThena as Neith which was also evidenced in Linear B Mycenaean scripts)

This comparison to Neith is also strengthened by the fact that Atlantis ruled Europe upto Tyrhennia(Italy) and Libya(north africa) upto Egypt as mentioned by Plato.

A strong fact that many ATlantis researchers ignore for their theories of Atlantis to be placed in far away locales like Indonesia,south or north americas,antarctica,asia,the black sea or even greenland.

The other striking fact is that Pharaoh Menes can also be compared to Atlas.

The Glpyh for Mn = "enduring".

Mn Nfr = "enduring beauty".

Mn or Menes = "established"

Menes is also considered to be the "foremost or established father of Egypt" or the First pharaoh of the First Dynasty.

I have also shown the mysterious boustrephodon(backwards) names of our Atlantean founders in the critias which reveal a latin hidden message that also suggest that MneSeus and Evaemon were the main Atlanteans. Mneseus,I translated as "memory of a god or warrior" which also compares to his egyptian title of Hor-Aha or "Horus The Fighter". He also introduced the worship of the God,Ptah.

Eveamon was translated as "fortunate or favored woman" which can also be compared to Menes' wife, Neit-hotep.

It is also interesting to note that Abtu/Abedju or Abydos was also the cult center of the god Khentiamenti who was later compared to Osiris.
Abydos was the holiest city in Egypt during the 7th dynasty and had a canal from the river nile upto the Temple of Seti I which was later usurped by Ramses II.

Have a look at this necklace offered by Seti I to the God and think about the city of Atlantis. :)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1245654923645/what-is-atlantis/seti_I%20necklace.jpg)






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 24, 2009, 12:40:56 am
The previous post,I demonstrated how Atlas and Menes can be compared.

Another clue that links Menes to Atlas is also;
Quote
Weneg-The flower-sign used to write his name "wng" was early on mistakenly replaced by a papyrus-plant glyph, changing his name to wadj-nes.
This was translated into Greek by Manetho into "outgot-las", which resulted in "Tlas" in the transcriptions.


This is saying that "nes" transfers to "las". So Mn-nes would also be At-las.
Like Atlas having Atlantis named after him,so was Memphis called Mennefer (Mn nfr=enduring beauty) which relates to Menes.(enduring)

n = we/us/our in egyptian (source; heiroglyphics.net)
n sp = together

At-las(laos/tlas)= foremost father(atte) enduring,(tlas) of the people(laos) = established,permanent.

Mn-Nes = enduring(Mn) of the people(ns). (foremost established father) it=father in egyptian.

Hat.=foremost,front of. Hat.ns = foremost of the people.  At-laos = foremost of the people

Atlas = Menes
 
There are some interesting comparisons between the 10 kings of Atlantis and the First Dynastic kings of Egypt.
There is of course, a question of whether the 10 Atlantean kings names are in order as related by Critias.
Around 420.bC,Critias was able to study the original script passed down from 570.bC to rehearse for his presentation at the theater,
in front of Socrates which he orated from memory.
This also leaves a question of whether Plato was using the original script from Dropides to Critias or,
a recorded script of Critias' live speech at the theater.

Some of the egyptian names like Menes,Djer and Merneith,seem to line up correctly while others do not.

Gadeiros would be in phoenician, GA DR, meaning rich in goats. Djer was also spelled in some cases DR, where we also realize
that J and I were interchangeable. So Gadeiros or Gad(j)r can also be thought of as Djer.

Queen Merneith lines up with Evaemon whose meaning suggests that it is a women's name. Considering 5 sets of twins were born
to Cleito,it is highly probable that at least 1 of 10 would be a female child.

Diaprepes,meaning "written knowledge of God",strongly suggests that He should be matched up to Semsem (semerkhet),whose name
means "priest of priests" or head priest. His heiroglyph,7th in the Abydos list,is the only glyph for a king drawn entirely
as a standing priest with a was scepter.

Den seems to suggest being lined up with Ampheres because he was known as the "two estates" and the first to use the "two ladies"
nebty titular. His name by Manetho, Usaphais, also compares to Ampheres.

Raneb, being identified with the Sun could compare to Azaes.

These are the Atlantean and Egyptian names in order as recorded.

Atlas.......enduring,established....Menes
Gadeiros....rich in sheep/goats.....Djer
Ampheres....to rest at both sides...Djet(wadj)
Evaemon.....famous woman............Merneith
Mneseus.....memory of god/warrior...Den
Autochthon..earthborn...............Merbiap(anedjib)
Elasippus...horserider..............Semerkhet (semsem...Head Priest)
Mestor......advisor/suitor..........Qa'a
Azaes.......ashened.................Hotepsekhemwy
Diaprepes...knowledge of God........Raneb
....................................Weneg

Atlas..........Menes
Gadeiros.......Djer
...............Djet
Evaemon........Merneith
Ampheres.......Den
...............Merbiap
Diaprepes......Semsem
...............Qa'a
...............Hotepsekhemwy
Azaes..........Raneb

Meni;...........enduring,established, Hor-Aha-horus the fighter......Menes
Djer;...........Hor-Djer,Horus who succours(rescues,aides).....Iti...Kenkenes
Djet;...........Wadj, horus the snake/cobra....................Ita...Uenephes
Merneith;.......beloved by Neith
Den;............horus who strikes,two estates, septi,udimu...........Usaphais
Merbiap;........Anedjib,safe of heart................................meibis
Semerkhet;......Semsem, companion of the gods, priest of priests.....semempses
Qa'a;...........extended of arm, qebehu/qheb...................
Hotepsekhemwy;..two powers at rest/satisfied...bawnetjer.............boethos
Raneb;..........lord of the sun,ra is lord,nebre,kakau,soul of bulls.kaiechos
khnumnetjer;....Banetjer,ninetjer,Sacred ram.........................binothris
Weneg;..........wadjnes, fresh of tongue??, outgotlas................Tlas
 
Memphis - Mennefer, Ineb-Hedj(The White Wall)
Ankh-Tawy(That which binds the two lands), Hiku-ptah > Aigyptos
(includes; Dahshure,Saqqara,Abusir,Zawyet el-Aryan,Giza,Abu Rawash,Mit-Rahina)
extended some 19 miles along the west bank of the nile.

mn-nfr,  Hwt-kA-ptH

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Queen Merenith ruled Egypt as regent when Den became king as a child.
There are, however, many scholars who think that Merenith was a ruler in her own right

This seems to suggest along with much other evidence like the Libyan Maeria province or when I pointed out Tahla and Al Mansura,
with the monolithic lion, that the nile delta was the newest kingdom of ATlantis closest to our time and the basis of The Critias dialogue.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 26, 2009, 04:41:30 pm

Evidence for Atlantis from Pangea maps.

152 million years ago (north Atlantic Ocean forms)

(http://www.scotese.com/images/152.jpg)

94 mya (evidence of Atlantis breaking away from Africa)

(http://www.scotese.com/images/094.jpg)

66 mya (Atlantis)

(http://www.scotese.com/images/066.jpg)

50 mya (the authors push Atlantis back into Africa)

(http://www.scotese.com/images/050.jpg)

Source; Paleomap project by Christopher R. Scotese
http://www.scotese.com/earth.htm


It doesn't make sense that if a large piece of Africa broke away and the continents were separating,
then why would it reverse direction and push back into Africa?

In the 66 mya map, it is easy to envision the large island of Atlantis moving to the mid atlantic ridge
while the northwest corner of Africa closes to form the present shape.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on July 05, 2009, 01:03:38 pm
The avatar was my younger years as neo. ;)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1246816275253/what-is-atlantis/AeJor-Mn.jpg)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Proteus on July 05, 2009, 09:12:35 pm
Nice picture, Riven, you do resemble Neo.  Do you still have your website up?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Proteus on July 05, 2009, 09:19:04 pm
About the maps, you'll notice that the continents don't quite fit together, as we have always been told back in geography class.  Europe and North America are a little jagged for instance.

Clearly, there is a piece missing.  There was an article someplace or another about a "suken piece of continent" from millions of years ago in the Mid to Eastern Atlantis. This would have fit neatly into the idea that it was Atlantis, save for the fact that it sunk at a time before human beings were even said to exist.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on July 06, 2009, 03:03:04 pm
Thanks Proteus, that's why I chose the Neo avatar. :) No,I don't have my website up.

Personaly, I have a difficult time accepting that our continents move around, perhaps islands or large islands may break away from continents. I rather envision them becoming separated by water erosion like a widening river or glacier movements or natural disasters like floods,earthquakes,etc.

A good example is that britain and ireland,scotland are not really islands if you lower the water to the continental shelf.






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on July 06, 2009, 03:58:10 pm
I just wish to express that Book of Thoth forums has passed on their GoldStar award to me for my Tribes of Atlantis threads.

The greatest award is the gratification of knowing that the views in my threads provenance that so many people still have Atlantis in their hearts and minds and that one day my work as well as those of others will help someone with a Heart of Atlantis to discover the Royal City.

Thankyou All for your contributions to Atlantis.

I Love U All to Never Fall.
To Know Is Immortal.


Posted by Numnutz at Book of Thoth forums.Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:35 am

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Well it's been a fun week, I've monkeyed around a bit and had some fun but it's now time to pass on the Prestigious Goldstar award.

I am passing the Honor on to someone that IMHO, has accomplished a feat that I have not seen done by any other, be it here at BoT or on any other site that I have visited.

In one of his earlier threads there are 181 post that drew 30,539 views, this to me is astounding.

In his follow-up thread to the first, there are 239 post and an equally astounding 25,940 views.

Over 56,000 views in 2 threads alone...if this does not deserve to be recognised I am completely clueless as to what is Goldstar worthy.

I am passing the Most Coveted, Prestigious Goldstar Award to...

Researcher, Historian, Poet and at times Comedian...

PauloRiven
Seer and Royal Bloodline to Atlantis


I'd also like to extend a personal thankyou to frozen nards, ummm I mean numnutz,:) for his thoughtfulness in passing on the Goldstar award to myself.

Thankyou numnutz.

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/forums.html



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Desiree on July 06, 2009, 10:26:22 pm
Hey, congrats, Riven!  I have never heard of any topic getting 30,000 views before.  Our top one here has gotten about 15,000 views. DO you have a link to your threads over there?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on July 06, 2009, 11:19:28 pm
Way to go Paulo.  That must have been a ton of work for you.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on September 18, 2009, 04:32:34 pm
Critias;  Benjamin Jowett translation.

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As to the population, each of the lots in the plain had to find a leader for the men who were fit for military service, and the size of a lot was a square of ten stadia

each way, and the total number of all the lots was sixty thousand. And of the inhabitants of the mountains and of the rest of the country there was also a vast multitude,

which was distributed among the lots and had leaders assigned to them according to their districts and villages.

The leader was required to furnish for the war the sixth portion of a war-chariot, so as to make up a total of ten thousand chariots;

also two horses and riders for them, and a pair of chariot-horses without a seat, accompanied by a horseman who could fight on foot carrying a small shield, and having

a charioteer who stood behind the man-at-arms to guide the two horses; also, he was bound to furnish two heavy armed soldiers, two slingers, three stone-shooters and

three javelin-men, who were light-armed, and four sailors to make up the complement of twelve hundred ships.

 Such was the military order of the royal city-the order of the other nine governments varied, and it would be wearisome to recount their several differences,

It sounds like this is Atlas's army and the district of the plain was Atlas' division which contained the Royal City and 60,000 lots, which was the largest and best portion

inherited from Atlas' mother.
From the statement of a leader being required to furnish 10,000 chariots which was a 6th portion, we can deduce that their were 6 Generals and 60,000 units in total for

Atlas' army.

1/6th of 60,000 = 10,000 lots per General

Each lot had to contribute;

1 charioteer...............1 seated chariot...................2 horses
1 charioteer...............1 unseated chariot..............2 horses
1 horseman/foot fighter
2 heavy armed soldiers
2 slingers
3 stone shooters
3 javelin men
4 sailors to compliment 1200 ships - 40,000 / 1200 = 33 men per ship.

17 men, 2 chariots and 4 horses
8 lots combined built a ship to total 1200 ships for 10,000 lots. (10k/1200ships)
1200 x 6 = 7200 ships for the Royal Army x 33 = 237,600 sailors.

Each General's war unit consisted of;

170,000 men...............x 6 = 1,020,000 men
20,000 chariots............x6 = 120,000 chariots
40,000 horses...............x6 = 240,000 horses
1200 ships.....................x6 = 7200 ships

I presume the man-at-arms mentioned is another description for the horseman/foot fighter.
A seated chariot was considered a real chariot for the 10,000 chariot remark.

Consider the other 9 were half the size;
510,000 men...............x9 = 4,590,000 men
60,000 chariots...........x9 = 540,000 chariots
20,000 horses..............x9 = 180,000 horses
600 ships.......................x9 = 5400 ships

Total approximate size of Atlantean Army.

5,610,000 men
660,000 chariots
420,000 horses
12,600 ships

Consider that half those men were Father's or Family men = 2,805,000 families x 5 = 14,025,000 people for the populace of Atlantis Island.

Consider the plain was the largest and best district of 344 x 230 miles, we could say the other 9 districts were half the size also or 172 x 115 miles.
The plain was near the center of the island, thus on the east side we can say the length was 344 + 172 + 172 = 688 miles
There would be another  4 regions alongside the west side of the plain and the 2 regions on the east side.
And finaly 3 regions on the west side.

Giving us 3 regions wide by 4 regions long through the middle.
Length = 344 + 172 + 172 + 172 = 860 miles
width = 230 + 115 + 115 = 460 miles

Based on the above, the island of Atlantis would have been around 1000 x 500 miles in area on the "conservative" side or 500,000 sq. miles.
(The Josephine/Torre seamount is also around this length)

According to the 14,025,000 populace, this would equal a reasonable 28 people per square mile.
If we say that 1/3 of the warriors were Fathers, then we would have 1,870,000 families x 5 = 9.350,000 census or 19 people per sq. mile.

Some districts or populations could have been near to the size of the plain.

Imagine how many people per square mile are in your city today!

Sometimes I amuse myself in thinking that my hometown of the Azores Islands consists of 9 islands and that the island of Atlantis is missing which compares to the 10

districts mentioned in Plato's dialogues!.

Best of Health and Fortune for you;
Paulo Riven 2009


(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/what-is-atlantis/Atlantis_Royalcity_PauloRiven.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1253165591824/what-is-atlantis/Atlantis_Plain_PauloRiven.jpg)









Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: dhill757 on September 19, 2009, 05:40:04 am
Nice work, Riven! It is clear that we are looking for a very big place, with large population centers. Maybe only the capital city was the one to actually sink, though?

I especially like the names the Atlanteans gave to some of their shops.   :)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on September 21, 2009, 01:07:09 pm
Thanks dhill757, the evidence does suggest a large size and that the measurements provided should sustain. The only thing that throws people off is the canal depth of 100ft where who's to say that it didn't start out as a natural river contributing to it's great depth? I don't see anything wrong with the size of the plain or the royal city, especially when we consider that Prosopitis, an island in the delta nile was roughly 62miles in circumference as compared to 46 miles for the Royal city of Atlantis. Also the pyramd
of khufu was almost 800ft long by 500 ft high, so why wouldn't the Atlanteans have built Neptune's temple of a great size also, being 600 x 300ft?

Upon further study we realize that Ben Jowett forgot to mention the Archer's and R.G.Bury, who's Critias translation is in W.R.M.Lamb's book used by Perseus tufts, incorrectly stated that the next 2 horses had no car (chariot) and a man who jumped from horse to horse who was followed by a charioteer to guide the horses which makes no sense. What we do realize is that the words "dipros" for chariot board and "katabaten" for to step down or descend are used to identify that there is in fact a second "step board" chariot of which 2 men could stand on, one with a small shield and the charioteer.

There's a break down here of the greek and english at Atlantis Rising for those interested; http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002057

Here's the new translation that I perceive;

[Critias 119a-119b]...each lot provided a male leader, but the lots were of a great size being 10 times 10 stadia, of which all together there existed 60,000 lots. But also the mountains and the other districts held an infinite number of men who gathered down in the country towns of which were chosen leaders to distribute their entire lots.
That in any event, the leaders were to arrange, on the one hand, and provide for the battle a sixth portion of a warriors chariot that was 10,000 chariots, but also with two horses and one mounted man.
Furthermore, to themselves also, a pair of horses with a step down board chariot of which two individuals go upon, one with a small shield and a charioteer to hold the horses. Two Heavily armed (warriors) and that of an Archer and Slinger, two of each, and a light armed foot soldier who was also a slinger that struck with stones and a javelin man, three of each, but of sea mates, four who would be part of an account for 1200 ships.
In any event, on the one hand, in this manner were the warriors appointed for the Royal Kings city state besides that of the other nine which is of a length that is besides our chance to speak. -- [translated by Paulo Riven,2009, using Perseus Tufts translator and Platonis Opera]


1/6th portion of 60,000 lots to make up 10,000 war chariots

Each lot was to provide;

1 charioteer............1 chariot.......................2 horses

1 charioteer.......1 step board chariot..... 2 horses
1 man with small shield

2 heavy armed men (hoplites)
2 archers
2 slingers
3 light armed stone slingers
3 javelin men
4 sea mates

Totals; 19 men according to Platonis Opera.

To be more correct, I would logicaly suggest that we are missing another horse and horsemen warriors which would total 20 men and 5 horses per lot.

In any case, the importance is for us to realize that the island of Atlantis was divided into 10 districts and we are being told about the district of the Royal City only that provided over 1 million men for war with another possible 5 million men from the other 9 areas, totalling an average of 6 million men for the Atlantean army which would approximate some 15 million people or so living on Atlantis island and identifying with the great size as mentioned by Critias and the measurements provided.

We also notice that Critias uses the "very important" statement "of a great size" in reference to the 10 x 10 stadia lot which makes sense to the 1.15 mile sides that would not compliment Ulf Richter's Egyptian khet measurement of 52.4 meters or 172 feet to replace the stadia of 605ft.

Who would say a lot having a side of 1,720 feet or slightly more than a 1/4 mile dragstrip was a great size?




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on September 23, 2009, 04:35:21 am
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Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on September 26, 2009, 04:17:10 am
I added 5 new pages so far to the Google site that should help keep things in perspective for you Atlantean fans.

The pages are based on black backgrounds for my website which is not running at present, so my apologies for the pyschadellic colors. The google editors are of poor quality.

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/leucippe-s-lux-of-ipse

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/neptune-s-deluge

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/plato-s-truth

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/wisdom-of-the-first-book-of-atlanteans

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on September 27, 2009, 07:22:11 pm

Classical scholars, researchers, historians and even philosophers of antiquity presume that the Atlantic Ocean inherited it's name from the Titan Atlas and that the island of Atlantis was also named after Atlas as Critias says in Plato's dialogue;

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"And he named them all; the eldest, who was the first king, he named Atlas, and after him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic."

Clearly this is a misnomer (wrongly named) because Atlas nor any of the names given in the Critias dialogue are not the real Atlantean names but rather Greek names as understood from the meaning of the names as translated from the Egyptian records, which in turn were translated from Atlantean.

Understandably as mentioned, our Atlantean Aterian and Azilian ancestors were writing letters around 10,000.bC that later evolved into Linear A, the Iberian script, Glozel and Phoenician Linear B. In all probability the Egyptians must have recorded these names in Sais, Egypt around 3200.bC from some type of Maadi-Libyan script relative to the Azilian writing, or simply from an oral presentation.

My research also indicates that the name Atlantis, although being a Greek rendition, is not far off from how it is written or spoken in Egyptian or Atlantean, especially when we consider the evolvement of the Azilian letters to Phoenician and others.

We can notice these comparisons that the Greeks translated the Egyptan H.t or Ha.t as the letter A or AT in;

(H.t-tA-Hr.t-jb ; Greek Athribis): (Tell Atrib); Hawaret (H.t-war.t ; Avaris)

H.t or Ha.t in Egyptian means "in front of" or foremost, such as the letter A would also be first and foremost and as I suggested another name for Atlantis in Egyptian as Ha.t nt iw or Foremost island of Neith.

We notice that Memphis was originaly H.t-ka-pth which would mean Foremost of the soul of Ptah and the Greeks would have called it something beginning with the letter A or At which peculiarily we can even relate to Atlas since Ka is drawn by the risen arms heiro-glyph of Shu.

Mennefer (mn-nfr, H.t-kA-ptH,Greek Memphis)

Here we find another quote of rulers being called HA.tj-a in Egypt which is also very close to Atlas, who of course is also a King. Interesting.

"The rulers of the nomes are referred to as nomarchs, variously called in Egyptian HA.tj-a , Hr.j-tp-aA, or sSm.w-tA."

Then we can also compare Tatenen to my name for Atlantis as Atatana, which also all relates to Ha.t or Foremost.

Another concept we realize is that most of the place names in modern times for Egypt consist of using the word "Tell" like Tell Atrib for Athribis which was also related to Atlas by the Greek word Tello or Telos.

Tell-meaning Hill or Mound

Tello - to make to arise, accomplish

II. in Architecture, Telamônes were colossal male figures used as bearing-pillars, being the Roman name for Atlantes, Vitr.6.7.6

Atlantes being the Greek name for Architectural columns or pillars that were carved as humans used in building Temples.

Our story of Atlantis tells us that Poseidon created the central island surrounded by concentric rings of land and water around the Hill or Mound where Cleito lived with her parents Evanor and Leucippe. Atlas is also the risen mountain chains in NW Africa at Morocco and Algeria where the Greek Atlas holds up the sky at the ends of the Homeric world as he looks towards the Gardens of The Hesperides in the Atlantic Ocean on the island of Atlantis.

When we consider all of the above and also realize that the name of Atlantis was not far off from it's original name like Atatana, then it seems apparent that Atlantis and Atlas were named after the biggest mountain on the island of Atlantis and that the Atlantic ocean also memorized the name of Atlantis island. Considering this, we could state that this is really why and how the Atlas mountains received their name in memory of Atlantis and giving rise to the Greek myths about Atlas and why he holds up the heavens there so he can still see the Gardens of The Hesperides in the Atlantic Ocean on Atlantis.

Which is also why islands around the Atlas mountains, either in the Mediterranean or the Atlantic became known as "Daughters of Atlas", which could also mean that some of the names we hear given were names of islands preserved from antiquity like Calypso or Maia for example.

Homer and Hesiod ca.800.bC, are the first mention we have of Atlas and also the first greek writings of the word Atlantis,Atlanta and Atlantos which should verify for us that the Atlantic Ocean also held it's name around this time, although also referred to as Oceanos.

Hesiod tells us that Iapetos(Japetos) and Clymene, who was a daughter of Ocean, gave birth to Atlas and Menoetius then Prometheus and Epimetheus who are also twins. Comparing this, we would say that Iapetos was Poseidon and Clymene was Cleito who gave birth to 5 sets of twins.

Clymene also relates to Cleito in that they both mean, famous or reknown (klymenos) which also compares to Neith being famous.

Clymene's parents were Oceanus and Tethys.



Hesiod; Theogony

Line 505 - Atlanta; translated as Atlas

Line 515 - Atlas; translated as Atlas

Line 935 - Atlantis; translated as Daughter of Atlas (talking about Maia)


Homer; The Odyssey

Book 1;44 and Book 7;240

Atlantos - translated as Daughter of Atlas (talking about Calypso)

It's also interesting to note that Calypso would be written in Egyptian with the risen arms heiro-glyph for "Ka", and Ipso or Ipse relates to Leucippe's meaning of a Light of Self Beauty that give her strong references to Atlas and Atlantis or even a similiar name like Atlantis or Atlantos.


Hesiod; The Theogony

[505] and lightning: for before that, huge Earth had hidden these. In them he trusts and rules over mortals and immortals. Now Iapetus took to wife the neat-ankled maid Clymene, daughter of Ocean, and went up with her into one bed. And she bore him a stout-hearted son, Atlas: [510] also she bore very glorious Menoetius and clever Prometheus, full of various wiles, and scatter-brained Epimetheus who from the first was a mischief to men who eat bread; for it was he who first took of Zeus the woman, the maiden whom he had formed. But Menoetius was outrageous, and farseeing Zeus [515] struck him with a lurid thunderbolt and sent him down to Erebus because of his mad presumption and exceeding pride. And Atlas through hard constraint upholds the wide heaven with unwearying head and arms, standing at the borders of the earth before the clear-voiced Hesperides; [520] for this lot wise Zeus assigned to him.

505
kai steropên: to prin de pelôrê Gaia kekeuthei:
tois pisunos thnêtoisi kai athanatoisin anassei.
kourên d' Iapetos kallisphuron Ôkeaninên
êgageto Klumenên kai homon lechos eisanebainen.
hê de hoi Atlanta kraterophrona geinato paida:
510
tikte d' huperkudanta Menoition êde Promêthea
poikilon aiolomêtin, hamartinoon t' Epimêthea
hos kakon ex archês genet' andrasin alphêstêisin:
prôtos gar rha Dios plastên hupedekto gunaika
parthenon. hubristên de Menoition euruopa Zeus
515
eis Erebos katepempse balôn psoloenti keraunôi
heinek' atasthaliês te kai ênoreês huperoplou.
Atlas d' ouranon eurun echei kraterês hup' anankês
peirasin en gaiês, propar Esperidôn liguphônôn,
hestêôs kephalêi te kai akamatêisi cheressin:
520
tautên gar hoi moiran edassato mêtieta Zeus.
dêse d' aluktopedêisi

[935] terrible gods who drive in disorder the close ranks of men in numbing war, with the help of Ares, sacker of towns; and Harmonia whom high-spirited Cadmus made his wife. And Maia, the daughter of Atlas, bore to Zeus glorious Hermes, the herald of the deathless gods, for she went up into his holy bed. [940] And Semele, daughter of Cadmus

deinos theos. autar Arêi
rhinotorôi Kuthereia Phobon kai Deimon etikte
935
deinous, hoit' andrôn pukinas kloneousi phalangas
en polemôi kruoenti sun Arêi ptoliporthôi,
Harmoniên th', hên Kadmos huperthumos thet' akoitin.

Zêni d' ar' Atlantis Maiê teke kudimon Hermên,
kêruk' athanatôn, hieron lechos eisanabasa.
940

Kadmeiê d' ara hoi Semelê


Homer, Odyssey book 1, card 44
   
nêsos dendrêessa, thea d' en dômata naiei,
Atlantos thugatêr oloophronos, hos te thalassês
pasês benthea oiden, echei de te kionas autos
makras, hai gaian te kai ouranon amphis echousin.
(2.07)

Homer, Odyssey book 7, card 240
   
entha men Atlantos thugatêr, doloessa Kalupsô
naiei euplokamos, deinê theos:(3.09)



card 44

Then the goddess, flashing-eyed1 Athena, answered him: [45] “Father of us all, thou son of Cronos, high above all lords, aye, verily that man lies low in a destruction that is his due; so, too, may any other also be destroyed who does such deeds. But my heart is torn for wise Odysseus, hapless man, who far from his friends has long been suffering woes [50] in a sea-girt isle, where is the navel of the sea. 'Tis a wooded isle, and therein dwells a goddess, daughter of Atlas of baneful mind, who knows the depths of every sea, and himself holds the tall pillars which keep earth and heaven apart. [55] His daughter it is that

card 240

[240] Then Odysseus of many wiles answered her, and said: “Hard were it, O queen, to tell to the end the tale of my woes, since full many have the heavenly gods given me. But this will I tell thee, of which thou dost ask and enquire. There is an isle, Ogygia, which lies far off in the sea. [245] Therein dwells the fair-tressed daughter of Atlas, guileful Calypso, a dread goddess, and with her no one either of gods or mortals hath aught to do; but me in my wretchedness did fate bring to her hearth alone, for Zeus had smitten my swift ship with his bright thunderbolt, [250] and had shattered it in the midst of the wine-dark sea. There all the rest of my trusty comrades perished, but I clasped in my arms the keel of my curved ship and was borne drifting for nine days, and on the tenth black night the gods brought me to the isle, Ogygia, where [255] the fair-tressed Calypso dwells, a dread goddess. She took me to her home with kindly welcome, and gave me food, and said that she would make me immortal and ageless all my days; but she could never persuade the heart in my breast. There for seven years' space I remained continually, and ever [260] with my tears would I wet the immortal raiment which Calypso gave me. But when the eight year came in circling course, then she roused me and bade me go, either because of some message from Zeus, or because her own mind was turned. And she sent me on my way on a raft, stoutly bound, and gave me abundant store [265] of bread and sweet wine, and clad me in immortal raiment, and sent forth a gentle wind and warm. So for seventeen days I sailed over the sea, and on the eighteenth appeared the shadowy mountains of your land; and my heart was glad,


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Boreas on September 29, 2009, 08:24:12 pm
Funny co-incidences;

http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/felicevincilocationoftroy.html

http://www.amazon.com/Baltic-Origins-Homers-Epic-Tales/product-reviews/1594770522/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on September 29, 2009, 10:17:55 pm
Thanks Boreas, I'll check those out.


I added the Dragon Claw Orbis Ship page to the website and did a once over.

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-atlantean-dragon-claw-orbis-ship



Light of Leucippe

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/leucippe-s-lux-of-ipse/Lux_of_Leucippe.jpg)


Cleito

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/wisdom-of-the-first-book-of-atlanteans/Cleito.jpg)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Boreas on September 30, 2009, 07:07:31 pm
 8) Woouw - Riv, what A superb, exiting and beutiful site you have made!  8)

Here's another comment from the Italian professor:
http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep6/ep6-vinci2.htm

Europes Oldest Civilisation?
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-5-2005-72654.asp

And:
http://primarysources.newsvine.com/_news/2007/01/11/515398-was-megalithic-culture-earths-first-empire

(http://www.amvarna.com/images/intext/Keramika_Sava.jpg)

And - they were also in the Balkan;
http://news.guide-bulgaria.com/SC/Pazardjik/Pazardjik/Yunatsite/News.aspx?5895=Remnants_of_Oldest_European_Civilization_found_near_village_of_Yunatsite


(http://www.amvarna.com/images/intext/Keramika1_Suvorovo.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_Necropolis

You may enjoy the photo-gallery!

(http://www.amvarna.com/images/intext/Keramika_GD.jpg)

Then we also have Briwnys excellent article;
http://blessed-isles.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/23/1778359-men-are-from-hyperborea-women-are-from-atlantis

Best regards


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 01, 2009, 04:46:29 pm
Thanks for the compliment Boreas, the website is only about half completed so far. Few more pages and lots of coffee to go! I also added a link to Atlantis Online on the homepage.

Thanks also for posting those links for me to study when I have time.

Here's some more evidence for why we should accept the measurements as given by Critias.


The Stadium is 600ft whereas the Stadia is 605ft.

When Critias described the size of Poseidon's temple he said it was a stadium in length and half a stadium in width or 600ft x 300ft.

For the proponents of altering the numbers in Critias to 1/10th, such as 9000 years should be 900 years or a stadium would then be only 60ft.

Poseidon's temple would therefore only be 60ft x 30ft, a rather small size as compared to the existing temples below.

For the proponents of the Egyptian Khet being 52.4m or 172ft for the stadia,then Poseidon's temple would be roughly 172ft x 86ft. This would be a more acceptable size.

Temple of Poseidon in Paestum measures 60m x 25m.(2362.2in x 984.25in = 196.85ft x 82.021ft)

Temple of Poseidon on the island of Sounion is 31.12 X 13.47m. (1225.194in x 530.314in = 102.10ft x 44.193ft)

Temple of Poseidon Atlantis = 600ft x 300ft = 182.9m x 91.44m

But here's the logic. When Critias uses the term STADIUM, he is therefore referring to a sports athletic arena or playing field, where we also use the word stadium today for our athletic buildings. Therefore, the stadia would also have been based on the size of a stadium.

Obviously, none of our athletes would be able to compete in a stadium based on 1/10th. The Egyptian Khet maybe, with the exception of hockey,tennis or basketball of which soccer would be the oldest sport and un-playable in a khet stadium.


Official NHL hockey rink size; 85ft (26m) x 200ft (61m)

Official Football field size; 360ft (109.7m) x 160ft (48.8m)

Official Soccer international soccer field; 330ft (100m) x 360ft (110m)

Official NBA Basketball court; 94ft (29m) x 50ft (15m)

Official Tennis court; 120ft (37m) x 60ft (18m)


Also, the Royal City of Atlantis was on a large plain on a very large island, so the city having a diameter of 14.5 miles is rather conservative when compared to the district of Prosopitis as I already pointed out, having a size of 20 miles in diameter in the nile delta alone.




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 02, 2009, 05:04:02 am
Those are some nice relics at the Varna museum Boreas, thanks.


Ok, this new page on the website should buzz your brains.

Still a few more pages to go, it's only about half done.


The Mysterious Atlantean Machine

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-mysterious-atlantean-machine


For some reason, the first picture reminds me of Mr.Bean in his little yellow austin mini.  :D



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 04, 2009, 01:18:13 am

 Mysterean page added to the website today.

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 04, 2009, 07:54:58 pm
As most of you who are interested in Atlantis and are familiar with my research, you will also know that I translated Atlantis and Atlas as "Foremost Island" and "Foremost of People". Not only because as I pointed out that A = Origin or Foremost since it is also the first letter of our alphabet, but also because the Egyptian word HAt means "foremost" or "in front" of which it is symbolized by the glyph of the front portion of a seated lion for HA and an upper half circle for the letter T. We also find as pointed out that the Greeks translated HAT for AT as in At-thribis or also as in Avaris. In any case, both are understood as the letter A or foremost, prime or primordial like Atlantis and Tatenen, the primordial mound of creation for the Egyptians somewhere west of themselves. Perhaps it should be HAT.t.nn, for the foremost realm of a land (TA = Earth) in the realm of Nun as signified by the two n's which would mean from the Waters of Nun or The Ocean.

The Greeks translate "Laos" as "of the people", and Atta means father like "it" in Egyptian, which would mean Father of the People or Foremost of The People that either way we can identify with Greek or Egyptian.

It then becomes clear that this should in fact be the most accurate and proper translation for Atlas rather than "to endure" because of the myths claiming he holds up the sky or for the heiroglyph of a man or god with risen arms. The heiroglyph of a man with risen arms stands for HH or HeH/HaH which means "many" much the same way Laos in Greek would also mean "many people". People in Egyptian is rmt or remet, where we could say HAt.HH for "foremost of many" or HAt.rmt for "foremost of the people" that would be the same as saying Atlas or At/Atta Laos for "foremost of the people or father of the people.

Like our legend of Atlantis we can therefore give stronger support and understanding that not only is Atlas a prime father figure but also a prime ruler in antiquity which is why Solon translated him as the First King of Atlantis from a Heiroglyph of the seated lion and upper half circle for HAT and foremost ruler which is also identified in antiquity for the name of the rulers of Egyptian nomes as HA.tj-a.

Most likely Solon was looking at the Egyptian word of HAt.tj-a for king/mayor/ruler and rmt for people followed by the action symbol of a kneeling man with risen arms that meant HH for "many" or a multitude of people.

So here we have the true meaning of Atlas which we can combine with his other meaning of to "endure" that defines for us someone who is the Foremost King and ruler of many who also endures or "lasts" and is well established.

There is only one Pharoah who matches all this, and that is Pharaoh Menes. The Min symbol means to endure or be established.
Ironicaly one of our 10 Atlantean Kings is also named Mneseus. We should also not forget that there is also the God Min who we can identify with.

I would imagine that they intentionaly tell us HA.tj-a when it probably should be HAt-ja, or Foremost of Ja, The God.
Surely, to be Foremost of God also identifies with a title for a ruler or King.
Again, we also see that mayor is said to be written as HAtya and Heart is also HAty, where both should also be HAt.JA and HAt.J, which would mean "Foremost of God JA and "Heart of God JA" Since God is The Father Creator who created us and we all have hearts, then in truth our Hearts are from God and should always be "With God".

This is also evident by the Egyptian word for Temple as Hwt.nTr (hut.neter/hat.neter) which would mean "Foremost of God" also since neter is another name for God or Gods.

Since the y is interchangeable with the letter J that also identifies with the Hebrews claiming JA as their own by adding HOWEH and calling him YA-howeh from JA.

The oldest "unknown" true God of Egypt and Atlantis that also makes sense as to why I discovered His Name written on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo.The Egyptians probably changed the name JA to RA when they worshipped the Sun Temples instead of God's Temples in the times of the evil Huni and his descendants Snoferu,Khufu,Khafre and Menkaure.

Again a hidden disguise of God JA.

It's also ironic that we can compare the Heiroglyph for HAt with the Lion Sphinx in Cairo as a reminder to us of The Foremost King or First ruler of Atlantis!

Another interesting thought is that the Sumerians who settled Eridu, preserve in their myths that a "Fishman" named Oannes paid them a visit and taught them all sorts of knowledge and who to "establish" civilizations that "endure". Then he headed back to the sea.

Could Oannes have been the Pharaoh Menes who named the older H.t ka pth, Memphis which also means "Manfish" and since we know they were sailing with ships in their time?

H.t ka pth would also be Hat ka ptah which would mean "Foremost of the Soul of God" or body of God which would be the same to say Tatenen which is also titled a God other than the primordial mound of creation and also compares with a name for Atlantis since At means Foremost and Ta is Earth or body and nt, aside from Neith who is a Goddess can also be thought of as Ntr for "The Foremost Land of God". Was Memphis originaly named after a memory of Atlantis?

In conclusion; Greek, Atlantis > Egyptian, Tatenen > Atlantean, Atatana all mean Foremost Fatherland or God's land of the Ocean.(Nu or Nun = Ocean)

And all names have 7 letters for each day of creation. :)


Sources;


The rulers of the nomes are referred to as nomarchs, variously called in Egyptian HA.tj-a

Egyptian nomes; http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/geography/cities.htm


Memphis - H.t-kA-ptH (mennefer, mn-nfr, Manf, Minf, Manfish)

Hut-heryib (H.t-tA-Hr.t-jb ; Greek Athribis)

Hawaret (H.t-war.t ; Avaris

200 (pieces) of prime (HAtjw) linen,-(inscription of Djau ca.2270.bC)


front (noun) - HAt (front portion of a seated lion and a upper half circle)

heart (noun) - HAty

mayor (noun) - HAty-a

temple (noun) Hwt-nTr

Hathor (noun) Hwt-Hr

HAm - catch fish

(Abraham must have loved(ib-heart), fishing, fisherman)
Ibrahim / Ibraham - Ib Ra Ham - Love to catch God's Fish.

many (adj) HH -(heh), heiroglyph symbol of a kneeling man with risen arms.

favor (noun) Hst

http://hieroglyphs.net/0301/cgi/lookup.pl?ty=tr&ch=H&cs=1

Xr-HAt - formerly

xnti or khenti = fare southwards

xnty - foremost one

HA is drawn by the front portion of a seated Lion.

awt - flock (noun) - crook,chick,upper half circle and a standing lamb.

awt is close to Hat for foremost and also to Atlas as the twin Gadeiros who was translated as Eumelos for Rich in Sheep which is GD DR in Phoenician for "Great in Goats". The crook would also symbolize a Shepherd.

Paulo Riven
Tribes of Atlantis
5:47 PM 10/4/2009




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 05, 2009, 12:28:50 am


This image of a Temple of a man lying on his back with the Sun overhead atop of a broken altar is oriented east / west.

The size is a staggering 1250 ft across by 1250 ft vertically on it's long sides and around 810 feet across the middle using Google Earth's ruler tool.


(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/The_Relocated__Temple_of_Fire_Tomb_of_His_Holiness_Riven06.JPG)


These visible markings of a smaller copy of the Temple in Alexandria located at the site where the Pillar of Pompeii stands measures roughly 500ft x 320ft. Coincidently, the new version of Google Earth 5 has whited out this land area just like they added more light to the great pyramid so we couldn't see JA's signature on top from the older Google Earth programs I used in 2005/06. hmmmmm.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Alexandria_Replica_of_The_Lion_Temple_of_Man_Riven_06.jpg)


The main body of the Temple of Karnak is roughly 350ft x 1170ft of which the entire area is bordered at roughly 1750ft x 1750ft of land using Google Earth's ruler tool.


Sort of gives a new and more accepted meaning to Critias' statement of the Temple of Poseidon being 600ft x 300 ft which we can also compare to the great pyramid having a base length of around 750ft.

Labyrinth anyone?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 05, 2009, 10:55:28 pm
A Revision of The Greek Myths by Riven

Erebus___Nyx (Darkness, void)

Chaos (disorder)____Mist (order)

Eros (Unison of Love, attracting forces)

Astraeus (Universe)
Astraea (Stars, order of Universal Laws)

Eosphorus (Venus)

Hyperion (Milky Way Galaxy)___Thia (Energy of Golden Light)
Helius (Sun)____Selene (Moon)

Uranus (Earth Sky)____Gaia (Earth)
Tartarus (Underworld)

Winds (Boreas N, Eurus E, Notus S, Zephyrus W)
Eos (Dawn)

Mnemosyne_(Muses of Memory and Knowledge)

Titan (Mountains)_____Titanis (Hills)
Cyclops (Volcanos)____Hecatoncheires (Trees)
___Arges_______________Briareus
___Brontes______________Cottus
___Steropes_____________Gyes

Themis (Order of Ethics and Laws for Gods and Mortals)

Oceanus (Oceans)____Tethys (Seas)
Oceanids (Islands)
River Gods________Naiads (Streams, fountains, Inlets)

First Mortals (Atlantean > ATATANA > Egyptian > TATENEN > Greek ATLANTIS

_____TITAN_______________OCEANID_______ (3250-9570.bC)

Cronos (of Uranus) (Evanor)?_____Rhea (Leucippe)?

Japetus ( Neptune? )_________________Clymene ( Cleito ) .

Atlas, Menoetius
Prometheus, Epimetheus
Hesperus, Hesperia
Phaethon , Astris
Deukalion-1, Heliades

Heliades = Phaethon’s sisters like Astris and include; Merope, Helie, Aegle, Lampetia, Phoebe, Aetherie, Dioxippe."

Clymene would mean a memory (mnemosyne) of Cly > Cli > Cleito
Clymene also translates as famous (klymenos) which compare to Cleito as “emperors favorite”.
Clymene is also said to have married King Merops of Ethiopia. (Rules and settles Africa)
Clymene is also known as Asia. (Rules and settles Asia)

“Klymene was probably also identified with Klytie, the nymph loved by Helios who was transformed into a heliotrope flower.”

Klytie also translates into favorite, glorious or famous like Cleito and Clymene also do.

Deukalion is said to have descended from Clymene.
There may have been an earlier Deukalion-1 that was also claimed as a son of Clymene. The Greek myths say it was the Deukalion-2 of the flood but that is inconceivable obviously.
I refer to Deuka Lion as 10 Lions which would mean 10 Kings and reflects with his claim from Clymene.

Pleione married Atlas and gave birth to the Pleiades and Hyades
Hesperus and Hesperia gave the name to the Gardens of The Hesperides

The Heliade daughters in grief for their brother Phaethon shed tears that turned into Amber where upon they also turned into Poplars.
Leucippe’s Grove also is associated with the White Poplar that was also planted at Eridu in Sumeria.

Amber was important trades in antiquity with evidence suggesting the Mycenaean Greeks were even sailing for Amber as far back as 1900.bC to the height of the foundation of Knossos, Crete. Perhaps even past the Pillars of  Hercules to the Baltics or they journeyed across France.

This chart is in the era prior to the Santorini, Thera eruption of 1628.bC whereupon Gods like Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Typhon came after so they or people directly associated with them would not be included, which is also why some Titans are left out.

The advent of Evanor, Leucippe and Cleito would be anywhere around 3250.bC or 9570.bC depending on whether you prefer my generation theory as years or 9000 years prior to Solon.

http://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanisKlymene.html

http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NympheKlymene.html

October 5, 2009 – Paulo Riven.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 06, 2009, 06:03:03 pm
Posted by herushura at www.davidicke.com forums.

Quote
believe i worked out that Atlantis and Eden are the same word and the same place and that the flood of Deucalion and the Flood of Noah are the same story in origin.

If the term Atlantis has Egyptian Origin, and the fact Early Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs did not have an L, and the fact Greeks add S to many word taken from Egypt.

Atlantis = Atlan = Atan = Eden

Atlas = Atla = Ata /Attis / Ata(m) / Ada(m)

Interestingly Enough Ata equated with Utu (the sun god) the Son of Nanna, whats also interesting is that Attis is also the son on Nana, Attis was called the Shepherd and was hung a tree, if you read Act its states that jesus was hung on a tree(Acts 5.30.). and jesus is called the shepherd and he is believe to be an incarnation of adam. and a varient of Attis name is Attin which is linked with Aten / Atum and Adam.

(Hebrew D equals Egyptians T), and E and A are interchangeable.

There were 10 kings acknowledged in the story of Atlantis and Noah is Adams 10th descendant from Adam.

Deucalion both built Ark in god name, both had 3 sons who became nations
Noah is the Inventor of Wine / Deucos means Wine.


Thankyou for your excellent post herushura which further testifies to Atlantis as our First Garden of Eden as it was also know for The Land of The Garden of The Hesperides that contained all the abundance needed for Life forms. Ours Second Garden IS in Tansania,Africa (Avila = h-AVILA-h) near the Ngorongoro Crater and The Old Dupai Gorge where our scientists trace our oldest ancestors to as I have also revealed thanks to the mysterious guidance of our Father Creator JA Mn who also revealed to me His Name written on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo and the purpose of those Pyramids that reveal the Greatest Secret of Umankind in our Carina Nebula Star System some 7 light years away from us and the Greatest Message of Peace for all of us in this modern world as to our Atlantean origins and that we are all one big family,no matter where we stand, and Who our Father Creator and Real God is.

Which also reveals the Great Lie of YHWH (YA-HOWEH) who is in Truth our Father JA Mn. I and J are interchangeable such as the Greeks would say Ioanni or semitic Yanni for JOHN as it also was JA for YA, but there is no blasphemy of howeh to be written after His Sacred Letters of JA as also testified by Linear A, our root language for all tribes and english, Which was also verified by God's own mysterious writing of two letters ONLY on top of the Great Pyramid in Egypt.

I do realize herushura,that the letter L was not commonplace in antiquity which would reveal Atlantis as Atant.is or Atan as you also discovered. The letters at the end "is" are not only to be thought of as a common ending but also as the Egyptian word "iw" which would mean "island". A is Risen, or Origin and TA is Earth in antiquity for Egyptians, where Na,Nu or Nun is the primordial Ocean where the Gods and Creation took place in the waters of Nun as it was for Egyptians also.

It becomes clear that A TA NA TA IS is saying Primordial Earth of Ocean's Earth Island. We can also think of this as The Foremost Island of Neith in Egyptian as HAt.nt.iw, where Neith is older than Isis such as Father MIN is older than Osiris and dates to around the Double Falcon era ca.3500-3250.bC. The letter A is drawn by Falcons also of which 2 are in my Heiroglyph for Atlantis posted in forums or my website. There fore my Atlantean name for Atlantis as Atatana.

This is also known as TATENEN to the Egyptians for their primordial mound of creation westward of themselves and Tatenen or tenen is also known as a God, hence ATEN. AMEN not only means the "hidden one" as we now realize why and how He was hidden, but also more specificaly is saying in "God's Name" when we end our prayers because we are really saying JA MN.

It would have been nice herushura if you posted how you translated Atan for Eden, although it is understandable for various reasons as outlined. However we can also notice that Zatan would be in meaning as well for "the end of eden", since Za is the Fallen Son and last letter of the Alphabet, other than the Hebrew word for Satan meaning "opposed to".

The flood of Deucalion,Epic of Gilgamesh,Nippur Flood,and Noah's Flood are all the same with the exception as to the confusion of the Deucalion flood that took place ca.1529.bC according to the Marmor Parium marble. Most people think that this flood was only a typical flooding of the Thessalian plain, and since there was King Deukalion in that era of Thessaly, that they attributed this story to the flood story so they could also have their own version.

However it may be possible that this flood was incorrectly placed with that Deukalion and could have been an older Atlantean Deukalion as the Greek myths hint at him being a son of Clymene who is Cleito and wife of Japetus, the first mortal, which would explain why it parallels the other flood legends. I also realize that Deuca means wine but I prefer the Greek mathematical relation to ten as Ten Lion kings in memory of our Atlantean forefathers. I also have a picture in my website of an Etruscan Sceptor showing 10 lion kings in the Dragon Claw Orbis Ship page, from around 800.bC.

Evidently,the 10 Ante-Deluvian kings of Babylon or Sumeria and The Patriarchs of The Bible all parallel each other in memory of our Atlantean Kings since they were after all settled by Atlanteans. The Narmer Palette also reminds us of 10 Fallen Atlantean Kings. As I recently pointed out, Pharaoh Menes and the kings of the First Dynasty bear very close resemblance to our Atlantean Kings and Atlas strongly identifies with Menes as the "Foremost Father/King,enduring and established and also the letters "nes" that manetho translated to "las" like At-Las (At-Laos-foremost of the people).

To further identify that Atlanteans also settled Sumeria with not only the White Poplar Tress from Leucippe's Grove, but also that Menes named Memphis which means "Manfish" and Oan-NES was the "Manfish" who appeared to the Sumerians and taught them knowledge and the necessities for survival and growth and how to build cities and temples. Then he went back to the Sea, meaning Menes or an earlier Atlantean, most likely Menes, went back to his ship and sailed home, rather than being an actual fish creature having the head of a man and a fish, which could simply mean that he brought a big fish over his shoulders as a token for peaceful relations and offering.



The Linear A alphabet,as I also suggested,reveal a hidden message.

You'll notice the letter U symbolizes an upside cross hanging from a pole or tree in accordance with Acts;5:30 where we are told Jesus was hung from a tree.

DU symbolizes a man with a crook which is a Shepherd.

KA is a cross inside of a circle that would represent the body or soul in likeness of the Egyptian word KA which was also drawn as the heiroglyph of risen arms.

RO is a cross that would symoblize spirituality or king like RA. We can also compare it as an abbreviation for R-eligi-O-n.

JA is God and His symbol also identifies with the Djet pillar of Ptah.
Djet would therefore mean DJ.T or De/Da JA.Ta which would be "Of God's Earth".

QA for Queen is drawn as an Egg with arms on a pedestal, hence the Queen or Woman "seeds".

SA is Child or more specifically a male child. The letter Y is a **** inserted by a Phallus represented by I. I is interchangeable with J and Y also and JA's Sons have Phallus,naturally like JA. We can also see this symbolized by KO.

KI is the Sacred Chalice.

MA like Maat,Maatakare,Mother is drawn as a Pyramid with outstretched arms(airshafts) and would also tell us what "fire in the middle" reallly means. A baby in the oven, perhaps another purpose for the Sarcophagus of Egypt to place the Royal Child in?

PI shows a cross in front of a Pyramid as The House of God or Church.(Pius)

PA shows the double cross meaning Father and Son (Patre,Papa,Pa,Father)

DE looks like a Pyramid blasting off into space or sitting atop a Temple that would also reveal like the Sphinx Steles,including the missing Sphinx stele from Giza also, that underneath the Pyramids and Sphinx are Temples. Which is True.


ZA is drawn with the Egyptian Ankh and is also the last letter of the Alphabet as A for origin or risen is the first letter.

Therefore SA is the Risen Son and ZA is the Fallen Son.
Golden Orus___________________________Black Horus.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/leucippe-s-lux-of-ipse/Azillian_Linear_A_Atlantis_3500bC.gif)

Linear A is the root of All languages that derives from the 12,000 year old Atlantean Azilian writings which became Glozel,South Iberian and also Linear B or Phoenician.

This tells us as I maintain, that we all came from our oldest Middle Earth which was The First Garden on the Island of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean and also clearly reveals that the Egyptians are also Atlanteans like the rest of the Earth.

Which is why the Ante-deluvian kings all reflect Atlantis in their names as they also do in their cultural Tribes.

As I previously posted my revision of the Greek myths that clearly identifies JAPETUS as the first mortal like JAPHETH of Noah's ARk or a Son of our Father Creator JA MN, and JAPETUS' wife was CLYMENE who is in fact CLEITO our Atlantean Mother of The 10 Kings, we can see that in truth.....

"The Greeks did not forget the Atlantean Legend,as the Titanomachy also reveals to us, they just didn't remember!!!" (Try not to laugh too hard) :)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza4_Color_enhanced_Riven05.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Great_Pyramid_Stone_Plug2_Riven05.JPG)

Tribes of Atlantis Google Website; https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home

All the evidence speaks for itself which gladdens me to know that God is Real and His Signs for me are also real and I haven't lost my mind as some people may think.

As I said, one day when we all realize our True God we may also come to build Pyramids with Him like our Atlantean ancestors did.

To Know Is Immortal.

My apologies for the long post.

Paulo Riven.
2:43 PM 10/6/2009
8491.aJA.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 08, 2009, 06:03:56 pm
Secrets of The Pyramid by Riven.


a = arm
aA = be great or door or donkey
aAm = asian male
aH = catch or palace

Awt = offerings
Ahw = pain

m = in
mdw = speak
mdt = speach
mDt = ointment
mi  = as or like
mi qd = complete

mr = pyramid or canal
mr(i) = love, desire, wish
mrwt = love
mrHt = oil
ms(i) = give birth
ms-n = born to
msw = offspring

pr = house
pr-aA = palace or pharaoh
prt = seed or procession
prt = winter season
prt-xrw = invocation offerings

pt = sky
ptah = sky god


The Egyptian word for Pyramid is mr, which is also the word for Canal, so the Pyramid must be an extension of or related to the Canal. Some pyramids had canals leading to them for either decorative purposes or to aide in building them for barges carrying stones. A canal is also a means of survival and transportation that can also be related to birth's of nations and the birth canal of a woman.Where we also know that water is sacred like Nun, the primordial ocean of Creation to the Egyptians or the realm of Oceanus to the Greeks.

The word mri or mrwt means to love or desire, so we can add that the Pyramids were also built and viewed with love.

The word for house is pr and pr-aA meant palace or pharaoh, so as such pyramid would mean the palace of pharaoh's love or palace for the love of pharaoh.

They say that the egyptians called the structures prmr or pyramir that the Greeks adopted as pyramides and simply says house or palace of a pyramid.

When we look at the list above of Egyptian words comparable with pyramid, it is clear that we are talking about a sacred building.

Some people like to say pyramid stands for "fire in the middle" from the latin or english concept of pyro and amid. Although this is incorrect it is also not totally dismissible regarding another viewpoint related to birth.

In my view and personal experience with God and also according to the symbols or our Atlantean Linear A letters, the Pyramid is the Great House,Palace or Temple of God. Especially since God revealed to me His written name of JA on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo and the purpose for the design of the 3 pyramids there to remind us of His Son and to remember our Hidden Secret of Carina Nebula as I revealed and have posted the pictures to provenance these greatest of mysteries upon us.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1254635243091/Home/mysterean/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza4_Color_enhanced_Riven05.jpg)

The symbol for Ra is a circle with a dot in the center that also reminds us of "fire in the middle". Not only would the great circle represent the Sun and our Earth in the middle but also symbolizes "birth".

The circle would be an ovary and the dot a seed, or the mother's womb with a child inside.

In this case a Royal Male Child (Sa) who would become the King (Ra).

But, this was God's Temple, so "originally" the Royal Child would have to be God's Son or The Son of Man which we can also compare to Jesus and the references to his visiting the pyramids of Egypt. Or did He actualy visit them or was He born in a pyramid?
We can see words above that relate to pyramid and Jesus like ointment,donkey,seed,love, etc and even aAm for Asian male and ironicaly prt for winter season to compliment the common notion of December 25th for Jesus' birthday. The Egyptians even considered themselves as Asians in antiquity as Plato's Timaeus or Critias revealed to us and there is also a hidden gnostic text from ca 170.aD that states Jesus as claiming the Egyptians as His most favored children.

But let's not forget, that Jesus was one of many Son of Men for our fading era's and that the important thing is we can see the Pyramid as a Sacred Temple for the Birth of The Royal Child destined to be King,since true Kings are also said to be the will of God.

This gives a new meaning for the Sarcophogus to place or give birth to the Royal Child and also for that child throughout his life at periodic times, to lay in and "absorb" more Sacred Knowledge.

Not only would the pyramid provide for the growth and knowledge of Spirence (Spirituality and Science) for the King but also for the preservation and protection which would give us some interesting viewpoint for the purpose of the airshafts other than to let fresh air in. The Pyramid could also be thought of as "The Ark" or "The Ark of The Covenant". If such a great flood as described in the bible took place, then the airshafts could be sealed with stoneplugs to protect the Royal Family in which case we learn of 8 having descended from the ark in the bible that compare with the Ogdoad pantheon of Egypt who were drawn as amphibian frogs or snakes that would also relate to the waters.

The airshafts could also have been designed to "reveal" or "powerup" something inside the Pyramid at a certain day or time from the source of Sunlight. Another thought could also be that Spirits would visit the King or Royal Family providing them with hidden knowledge and they could have access or an exit point out of the airshafts. The airshafts could also be an astrological sextants of sorts to locate a certain planet,star or galaxy or even a passage way for information. Then we also have the mysterious image of God JA or a Pharaoh with a tied beard on the airshaft that appears to have had been erased by ZoHme-one. Those are some of the mysteries concerning the airshafts.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1254635370401/Home/mysterean/Great_Pyramid_Stone_Plug2_Riven05.JPG)

Our histories also record that the pyramids were effected by a flood as Herodotus states that seashells and saltstains were visible on or around the pyramid, although some say that this is only natural of limestone. The erosion patterns on or around the Sphinx are also evident of this.

In Linear A letters we also learn that the symbol for MA as in Mother, Maat or Maatakare is drawn by a Pyramid with little outstretched arms that are symbolic of the airshafts and also parallels the Pyramid as a Great Womb or The Sun with a little Seed in the middle for the King to be born as noted by the Ra symbol also. Which gives us a more proper meaning of "fire in the middle" so to say.

The linear A word for De is also drawn with a Pyramid ontop of a Temple. We can make a comparison to the two ancient cities of lower Egypt that combined into one from PR and DP or Per Dep to become Buto,the predynastic city of Egypt like Sais where our legend of Atlantis was preserved in The Temple of Neith and The Sacred Registers.

The Sphinx' dream stele that sits in front of th Sphinx and also the stele that is missing, both are inscribed with a Lion sitting on top of a Temple which reveals to us that Hidden Temples lie below the Sphinx and The Pyramids in the same  manner as the Linear A symbols for De.

We also notice that the word Pi like Pius or Sacred is drawn with a Cross in front of a Pyramid that confirms for us that the Pyramid is in fact the Great House,Palace,Temple of God. Linear A is the root of all languages that descends from our Atlantean ancestors who were also writing Azilian letters which transpired into Glozel,Iberian script and Linear B letters of the Phoenicians. This only confirms for us that Egyptians are also in reality Atlanteans like everyone else is!

If we were to compare this above knowledge with Dan Brown's masonic books the Da Vinci code and his new one The Lost Symbol or "hidden word", where the former book is based on the secret birth of a Royal Child or "sacred seed" to Jesus Christ, then the Lost Symbol or "hidden word" should be the "real" name of the Royal Child which would contain a hidden code or key to God's name.

For the ultimate lost symbol or hidden word would be to know God's name of which we can relate to the story of Isis when she poisoned Ra to force Him to confess His Secret Name that made Isis all powerful and Horus the Child was also present with Her at the time of the "Sacred Confession".

There is God's Name and His Son's Name for us to know, and then there His True Name and His Son's True Name of which are lost Symbols since we left our second Garden of Eden in Tansania,Africa(Avila).

For the further we are from our origins, the closer we are to a great lie.

For esotericaly speaking or even in terms of our friendships, to know a name gives us power over them,to some extent. When we know each other's names or make friends we become more leniant to one another. When priest's perform excorcisms they also inquire of the demon's name or we can say the same to summon angels we would have to know their hidden name.

That is why the symbol or "name" is lost and the all seeing Eye sits atop the Pyramid in representation of two meanings. Knowledge and The Rose which can also be identified to the Symbol of Ra.

Here on the cover of Dan Brown's book you can view this in two ways.

(http://www.brandchannel.com/home/image.axd?picture=2009%2F9%2Flost_symbol.jpg)

The Seal on top of a Pyramid as The All Seeing Eye with the Washington Capitol as the Body of The Eye.

Or

The Red Seal on top is a Rose at the entrance to the Womb atop spread legs as symbolized by the pyramid shape and the Washington Capitol would then be a "phallus" or "seed provider". The letter Y is also typical of this as a V on top of an I or "inserted phallus" which would "seed" a child.

As stated Sa is in Egyptian a Child or Male Child that is also drawn in Linear A with a Y.

The reality of all this and the Pyramids is that God's name for Us to know as it has been since the advent of the pyramids or even before, is JA, and since SA is Royal Male Child then JASA would be an appropriate name for a Son of God.

By the way, it's not the symbols that are lost, it's us, especially since Ya-howeh misled you disguised as JA, our True God and Father Creator.

AeJA Mn
AeJOR Mn

And His Name Shall Be The Word of God.

Paulo Riven
3:35 PM 10/8/2009

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/leucippe-s-lux-of-ipse/Azillian_Linear_A_Atlantis_3500bC.gif)

Tribes of Atlantis Google site; https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home

Changing Mainstream Science! :)





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 11, 2009, 08:23:03 am
[R]...Fields of Ephron by Riven...[R]


5495.bC  Adam born (2242 yrs to flood) (I believe 6435.bC)

3253.bC  Flood of Noah, Egyptian Flood of Hathor
2961.bC  Abram born
2886.bC  Abram leaves for Chanaan at 75 yoa.
2875.bC  Ismael born to Agar
2861.bC  Isaac born to Sara at 90, Abram 100 yoa.
2824.bC  Sara dies at 127 yoa. Buried in Fields of Ephron.
2821.bC  Isaac marries Rebecca
2801.bC  Twins Jacob and Esau born to Rebecca, Isaac 60 yoa.
2786.bC  Abraham dies at 175 yoa.Buried in Fields of Ephron.
2761.bC  Esau marries 2 wives at 40 yoa
2747.bC  Jacob marries Rachel after 14 years service to Laban.
2741.bC  Jacob returns with wives Rachel and Lia,2 maids and 12 sons,
.........and 1 daughter to Isaac after 20 yrs service to Laban in Haran.
2738.bC  Ismael dies at 137 yoa.Buried in Fields of Ephron.
2737.bC  Rachel gives birth to Joseph.
.........Rachel gives birth to Benjamin. Rachel dies.
2721.bC  Joseph sold to Egyptians at 16 yoa.
2691.bC  Joseph made Governor of Egypt after revealing 7 year famine dream of Pharaoh
.........and named "savior of the world" by Pharaoh at 30yoa.,
.........Marries Aseneth,daughter of Putiphare,priest of Heliopolis.
.........Joseph has sons Mannases and Ephraim
.........Pharaoh Djoser 7 year famine and dream. Stele of Sehel. Imhotep, Step Pyramid.(2687-2647.bC)
2681.bC  Isaac dies at 180 yoa.Buried in Fields of Ephron.
2671.bC  Jacob reunites with Joseph in Egypt at 130 yoa.
2654.bC  Jacob blesses his 12 sons and dies at 147 yoa.
.........Joseph leaves with Chariots and horsemen to bury his father in Ephron's field.
2627.bC  Joseph dies at 110 yoa.Buried in Fields of Ephron.
2531.bC  Exodus 430 yrs after Abraham.
.........Wicked Pharaoh Khufu,Temples closed,150 yrs of darkness upon Egypt(Plagues)
.........Philitis The Shepherd, prophecy of thrice born son not of the blood of Khufu to rule Egypt.
2482.bC  Tabernacle of the Exodus built 145 yrs after Joseph's death.


God and two angels appear to Abraham as men and prophecize the birth
in the following year of a child (Isaac) to Sara.
The 2 Angels then God leave to destroy Sodom and Gomorrha.

292 yrs after flood Abram born (9th gen. from Sem, Noah still alive)
367 yrs after flood God calls upon Abram to leave Haran for Chanaan


Noe (Noah) 600yrs old and Sem 100 when flood occurs.
Noe and his sons Sem,Cham and Japheth and their 4 wives leave the ARk (8 people)
2 years after flood Arphaxad born to Sem.

Sem-2---Elam--Assur--Arphaxad---------Lud------------Aram
Arphaxad-35__________Sale--Heber___________________Us
Sale-30____________________Phaleg__________________Hull
Heber-34___________________Jectan---Elmodad________Gether
Phaleg-30___________________________Saleph_________Mes
Reu-32______________________________Asarmoth
Sarug-30____________________________Jare
Nachor-29___________________________Aduram
Thare-70____________________________Uzal
Abram-86---Ismael___________________Decla
____________________________________Ebal
____________________________________Abimael
____________________________________Saba
____________________________________Ophir
____________________________________Hevila
____________________________________Jobab

(Assur builds Nineve,Chale and Resen the great city)
               

Cham--Chus-------------------Mesram-----Phuth------Chanaan
______Saba_________________Ludim________________Sidon
______Hevila_______________Anamim_______________Hethite
______Sabatha______________Laabim_______________Jebusite
______Regma--Saba--Dadan___Nepthuim_____________Amorrhite
______Sabatacha____________Phetrusim____________Gergesite
______Nemrod_______________Chasluim_____________Hevite
__________________(Philistines and Capthorim)________Sinite
________________________________________________Aradian
________________________________________________Samarite
________________________________________________Hamathite


Nemrod builds Cities of Babylon,Arach,Achad,Chalanne in the land of Sennar. 


Japheth---Gomer---Magog---Madai----Javan---Thubal----Mosoch-----Thiras
_________Ascenez__________________Elisa
_________Riphath__________________Tharsis
_________Thogorma_________________Cetthim
__________________________________Dodanim

(these were of the islands of the Gentiles = Mediterranean) 

Paulo Riven
AeJor Mn
Sword of Avila
SaJaRa

5:52 AM 10/11/2009 - 8491.aJA.       


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 13, 2009, 03:15:00 am
The Garden of Avila in Eden page has been added to the website.

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 13, 2009, 11:19:32 am
There are some interesting things we learn from my Fields of Ephron chronology.

- the flood date of 3253.bC compliments Archaeology, Geology and the Bible and the early city states of Sumer and Babylon and everything falls into place unlocking who the Pharaohs are.

- Joseph is a prime candidate for Imhotep and many people have made the comparisons as well as Djoser being the Pharaoh with the 7 year dream of famine.

- Chariots and Horses are evident in Egypt at least 1000 years prior to scholars proclaiming that the Hyksos brought the Horse and Chariot to Egypt. The Tomb 100 map from Heirakonpolis,Egypt ca.3500.bC also reveals Horses and a spoked wheel.

- God and the 2 Angels visiting Abraham to prophecize Isaac's birth to Sarah reflects the 3 wise men visiting Jesus Christ due to His prophecy.





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on October 13, 2009, 01:45:15 pm
Quote
Chariots and Horses are evident in Egypt at least 1000 years prior to scholars proclaiming that the Hyksos brought the Horse and Chariot to Egypt. The Tomb 100 map from Heirakonpolis,Egypt ca.3500.bC also reveals Horses and a spoked wheel.

Do you lave a link please Riven?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 14, 2009, 08:12:10 pm
Here's an image I made of the Horses on the north east section of the Tomb 100 map from Heirakonpolis, Egypt ca.3500.bC.
Scholars tell us that the Hyksos brought in the horse and chariot to Egypt ca.1600.bC. (he he)

Would you agree these are horses or not? I believe they are.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/what-is-atlantis/Tomb_100map_horses_3500bC_Riven.jpg)

And here's some more fun stuff I worked out for us to mindwarp over;

King James Bible Genesis.

ark of gopher wood
300 x 50 x 30 cubits* (525ft.L x 87.5ft.W x 52.5ft H ) *Ancient Cubit = 21 inches.

noah 600 yoa when flood - 2nd month, 17th day, waters from above and below
40 days and nights of rain
15 cubits above the tallest mountain tops (26.25 feet)
whole world
waters remained 150 days
ark rests on the 7th month, 17th day upon Mt Ararat
10th month, 1st day tops of mountains seen
after 40 days noah sends a raven until the waters abated and a dove, dove returns
7 days later noah sends a dove again who returns with an olive leaf
7 days later noah sends a dove who does not return
601st year, 1st day, 1st month the waters were all dried up off the Earth
2nd month on the 27th day, all the Earth was dry
God tells noah to leave the ark

600th year, 2nd month, 17th day flood occurs
_________3rd month 27th day rains stopped, dove sent out (40 days)
_________4th month, 4th day dove returns with olive leaf (7 days)
_________4th month 11th day dove doe not return (7 days)
_________7th month, 17th day ark rests on Ararat
_________8th month, 27th day waters abated (150 days)
________10th month 1st day mountain tops appear
601st year, 1st month,1st day waters dry
_________2nd month, 27th day all dry

Total flood time = 370 days (30 day months) or 375 for 365 day year. (+10 days)

Water covered the tallest mountain by 15m or 26.25ft.
The evaporation rate is therefore 26.25 feet per 184 days. (6 mths + 4 days after rains stopped mountain tops appear)
26.25ft / 184 days = approx.0.15 ft per day evaporation rate in Bible.
4 months and 26 days later all was dry = 146 days x 0.15ft = a 21.9 foot tall mountain. 

Mt Everest, world's tallest mountain on land (+26 ft = 5.5 miles of water depth)
8,848m tall mountain = 29,028.81ft / 26.25ft = 1105.86ft x 184 days = 203,478.24 days / 365 = 557.5 years!
Compared to Mt Everest,184 days when the mountain tops appeared for Noah would mean an evaporation rate of 157.8 feet per day or 16 stories!

Actual evaporation rate from when rains stopped and All was dry or 330 days; (30 day months)
29055.06 ft / 330 days = 88.05 feet per day evaportion including 26.25ft of elevated water. 9 stories per day.

Note that we would have to say that Noah's birthday was Jan 1st and March 27th the rains stopped and mountain tops appear Oct.1st and Feb 27th of the following year all was dry which would be 11 months or 330 days from March.

We would have to consider hot and cold days which would naturaly take even longer, but evermore, it is God's Magic at work!

According to our evaporation rate of 557 years as 184 days, 1 day would equal 3.03 years.
1 day = 3.03 years
40 days = 121 years of rain
184 days = 557 years to mountain tops
330 days = 1000 yrs since rain stops and all was dry
360 days = 1091 years
370 days = 1121 yrs for Noah's trials.
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.111.[R].Riven The Seer and Royal Bloodline to Atlantis.[R].111.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 15, 2009, 10:04:59 pm
Comparisons between Atlantis and Biblical Eden

Atlantis__________________________________Eden
Atlan, Atan, Adan, Aten, Aden, Aetan, Etan, Eten, Edan, Eden
10 kings_________________________________10 patriarchs
Evanor & Lecippe_____primeval firstborn_______Adam & Eve
Atlas , mountain, earth_______________________Cain, tiller of the soil
Gaedeirus, rich in sheep______________________Abel, shepherd
All necessities for life________________________All necessities for life
All flora & fauna___________________________All flora and fauna
Protected area_____________________________Protected area
Primordial creation__________________________Primordial creation
Appearance of a Light_______________________Appearance of God
Before 3000.bC___________________________before 3000.bC
Evanor father of many nations_________________Adam father of many nations
God’s land from Oceanus____________________God’s land from the waters (Nun,Tatenen –Egypt)
Japetus (Poseidon) from Oceanus, Mediterranean tribes______Japheth (Poseidon) from the Ocean (Ark) Mediterranean tribes (Javan)
Gold, fragrant woods, colored stones___________Gold, Bdellium, Onyx stones
Center of Knowledge and Spirituality___________Center of Knowledge and Spirituality
First City eastern side_______________________First City eastern side of Eden in Nod (Enoch)
Animal Sacrifice___________________________Animal Sacrifice (Abel’s offering)
Laws, Oaths and Curses_____________________Laws, Oaths and Curses

Destroyed due to;
Wickedness, unruly_________________________wickedness, unruly
Zeus____________________________________ God
Greatest Flood, prior 3000.bC________________Greatest flood, prior 3000.bc
Earthquakes______________________________fountains of deep open (earthquakes, chasms)
Excessive rain_____________________________Excessive rain




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on October 15, 2009, 10:28:57 pm
I agree to seeing horses in the picture, but I don't see chariots.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 16, 2009, 09:38:26 pm
Qoasis;

I stated that there is a spoked wheel on the tomb 100 map which is visible near the lower left with animals in a circle around it. At the top left by the lions, those wheels appear like wheelbarrows.

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/francescoraf/hesyra/Hierakonpolis-tomb100.htm


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 18, 2009, 02:03:19 pm
Oftenly, I report from my research and personal experience of witnessing God's name JA written on top of the Great Pyramid of Cairo, that JA is in fact our oldest and true God, our maker. A God who was "Hidden" and subjugated by the false claims of the Phoenician Hebrews as the wicked yahoweh. Simply stated, since J,I and Y are interchangeable, ya/yah, ia/iah, is JA.

 I don't need to go into detail why yahoweh is an imposter and a wicked and evil god in the holy bible as many people realize for his crimes and his broken promises such as after the flood, yahweh promised he'd never smite or kill mankind or any living kind again or with a great flood and that is why he placed a rainbow in the sky to remind him of that covenant, which he later broke by killing all the people of Sodom and Gommorha. It matters not if those people were perceived as wicked or evil, because that is exactly the same type of people before the flood. Like everything else, the bible and our histories contain hints of our real God "Hidden" by esoteric secret societies of corruption.

When we look to histories, we often look to Egypt and her records that also contain "Hidden" heiroglyphs or literature of God's true name that is also associated with the name of Min, a pre-dynastic titular for God that compliments our True God JA.

Therefore, God's "Hidden" name is JA MN.

Here, in this ramesses recording of Egypt, we can clearly notice that the God "who we think" is Amun is really JA MN. Notice how they spell Amun as JMN and we get misguided or lost by them writing Imn or Amn instead of leaving God's Name as Ja Mn.

In reality the name of Djet for the pillar of Ptah that is known as his backbone is actually "de JA it", meaning "given of God who is Father". d=give, Ja = God, it = father

Even a simple word like tAwj or tawi for two lands has new meaning in plural form tA w Ja as "lands of God" or ta iw Ja for Islands of God. Even the cross in Egyptian is jA(i).

As I also noted, mountains in Africa are Djenna and in Asia are Djanna, or as we know, God's mountains.

It's no wonder that Amun/Amin/Amen/Amon means "The Hidden One", and we know why.

Remember that when you say Amen after your prayer and knowing what that word means. :)

Bentresh Stele.

jmn-ra nb nswt-tAwj psDt nbwt wAst mrj
Amun-Re, lord of the Thrones of the Two Lands and of the Ennead, mistresses of Thebes.
nTr-nfr jmn sA mstjw{t} n ra-Hr-Axtj prt Axt n nb Dr{t}
Good god, son of Amun, offspring of Re-Harakhti, glorious seed of the Almighty,

J.H. Breasted. Ancient Records of Egypt -- Volume III. The University of Chicago Press, 1906.
• M. Broze. La Princesse de Bakhtan. Fondation Égyptologique Reine Élisabeth, Brussels, 1989.
• A. De Buck. Egyptian Readingbook. Ares Publishers, Chicago, Illinois, 1948.

Amen - "The Hidden One"
Amaunet - His Consort or Wife.
aman = Libyan for "water"

imn - Amun
imn-ra - Amun-Re

http://hieroglyphs.net/0301/cgi/lookup.pl?ty=en&ch=a&cs=0

Paulo Riven
AeJor Mn
Sa Ja Mn
12:00 PM 10/18/2009



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 18, 2009, 08:49:21 pm
Bentresh Stele text, An alternate translation by Riven.

jmn-ra nb nswt-tAwj psDt nbwt wAst mrj
Amun-Re, lord of the Thrones of the Two Lands and of the Ennead, mistresses of Thebes.

nTr-nfr jmn sA mstjw{t} n ra-Hr-Axtj prt Axt n nb Dr{t}
Good god, son of Amun, offspring of Re-Harakhti, glorious seed of the Almighty,

J.H. Breasted. Ancient Records of Egypt -- Volume III. The University of Chicago Press, 1906.
• M. Broze. La Princesse de Bakhtan. Fondation Égyptologique Reine Élisabeth, Brussels, 1989.
• A. De Buck. Egyptian Readingbook. Ares Publishers, Chicago, Illinois, 1948.

There is actually no word for Ennead mentioned in the Egyptian line.

(D=dj = de Ja = given of Ja.) J = Ja. w = who is,that is
The word ps, seems to be more related to the mouth or teeth which could mean to feed or provide for.

_______jmn-ra nb______nswt_______tAwj____
__ Ja Mn-ra____nb_____nswt_______tA-w-Ja___
_God Ja Mn_Master and King of the lands of Ja___

_____psDt______________________nbwt wAst mrj ;
ps_______djet______________nbwt______w__Ast___mr____ Ja
Seated of God the Father_the_golden lady who is Isis beloved of Ja.

______nTr-nfr__________ jmn_____sA_______ms.t_____ j ____
Good and Beautiful God___ Ja Mn__A child__born to her__of Ja_

w{t}______n__ra_____Hr___Axt____ j ______prt_____...
hers who is the God Horus_Risen_ of Ja's___seed____...

...Axt__n_____nb_________Dr{t}
...Risen of the Master and Her Greatness.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 19, 2009, 02:16:07 pm
Herodotus ca.440.bC, told us the names of two Atlantean tribes living around lake Tritonis and the Atlas mountains. Hesiod also

told us about Atlas ca.750.bC and that Japetus and Clymene were his parents of Oceanus and Tethys. (Atlantic and

Mediterranean Seas)

Atalantes and Atarantes.
A ta la nt es  - A ta ra nt es

A = Origin or Foremost, Egyptian = HAt (forefront of a seated lion glyph)
ta = Earth
la = there, that place, land
ra = God, King, Kingdom
nt = Goddess Neith or God nTr

la and ra can both be compared for an earthland area so we can also say TALA or TARA.
Egyptian ta for Earth also equates to European terra or Scottish hillside Tara.
Even if we take La out due to scarcity of the letter L in antiquity, we would still have A-ta-nt-es and the same meaning.

A tala nt es, A tara nt es, A tala nt is, Atlantis

___ A __tla__nt__is
__HAt__tA__nt__iw

HAt tA nt iw = foremost earth of Neiths Island
or
HAt tA nTr iw = foremost earth of God's Island

HAt tA n.t  = foremost earth of Nun's daughter (Oceanus = Nun ) Clymene or Neith (Cleito)

Tatanen = primordial earthland of God's Creation

HAt  tA nn = Foremost earth of Nun (Oceanus), where God's and Creation came from.

Egyptians use the word HAt.ja like Atlas for ruler,king or mayor of a nome or district and tAw.j for "two lands" although we are

told they are pronounced Hatia/ya and Tawi/y.

In true meaning they are "foremost of Ja" and "Earthlands of Ja" the true God disguised as Amon/Amun which is written in

Egyptian JMN, therefore Ja Mn. Mn being the pre-dynastic titular for God also ca.3500-3200.bC or the Double Falcon era.

Therefore the English/Greek Heiroglyph for Atlantis would be;
A falcon, upper half circle, seated lion, falcon, water symbol, upper half circle, papyrus reed and a staff.

***Newer hieroglyphs replace the falcon with an extended forearm for A.

The Egyptian Heiroglyph for Atlantis would be;
forefront of a seated lion, upper half circle, flagstaff, rectangular oval, and an image of a God.

For Neith we would replace the flagstaff and deity with her symbols.

So be on the lookout for these glyphs in your Egyptian studies.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Atlantis_glyphs_Riven09.jpg)

All roads lead to God Ja Mn.
 
Atlantis in Eden.
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Atlantis_Avila_Revealed_PauloRiven_2007ad.JPG)

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden

11:57 AM 10/19/2009


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 20, 2009, 07:09:06 pm
From AR Forums; http://www.atlantisrising.com/index.shtml

member; Atalante
posted 10-20-2009 12:50 PM

Quote
Riven,

In studying the name Atlantis -

I presume the L "should" change an r in hieroglyphics. (As you imply above, because hieroglyphics had no letter for L.)

A century before Plato, Herodotus faced this same issue when he said the Atarantes and Atalantes tribes lived either side-by-side, or else together. Obviously the Egyptians could not use the "L' word, Atalantes, as a pronunciation for any hieroglyphic word, when they gave information to Herodotus.

Therefore the underlying Egyptian word, based on Okkham's razor, was properly "Atarantes'. (And Herodotus was willing to give his readers a spinoff word Atalantes.)

I know you like king Menes.
And I know you like the early plaques of Egypt.

Therefore a significant detail which should be discussed here is the famous ivory label, attributed to Menes, which says Menes traveled west to the farthest sunset land and died there. But his soldiers returned home and built a cenotaph for king Menes (a memorial shrine without the remains of his body), because his body was still in that far western land, which was called Urani (on the ivory label attributed to Menes).

That whole story about "soldiers of Menes creating a memorial cenotaph without a corpse/mummy" sounds to me like it originated in the era when Meshwesh soldiers migrated eastward and gained control of Egypt.

But regardless of how the story originated,
hierogyphic HAt urani -- would logically represent the HAt-uran(tes) tribe in the writings of Herodotus.

HAt TA nt could be the the "FOREMOST (tutelary deity) in the LAND of NEITH". Of course the Carthegians called this goddess Tanit (as in TA-nt).

But I am curious. What does urani mean in hieroglyphic language?

Critas and Solon could be reading those letters in reverse order when they used the Greek word Evenor to represent hieroglyphic "urani".

________________________________________

Thank you for bringing that remarkable account to my attention Atalante. I wasn't aware of the Urani story for Menes and I feel as excited as Socrates when he heard the Atlantis legend!

I believe we are on the right track with Menes and the first dynasty kings which also adds support to my generational theory. The advantage is also that Menes can go anywhere from 3100-3400.bC and identifies with Narmer,Aha,Neith and the titular of the God Min.

I've been meaning to do an indepth study on Menes since I realized his connections to Atlas as enduring,established and foremost king.

It didn't cross my mind before, nor the many times we look at those old first dynasty labels and the seated lion stares right at us!

Here are some label drawings that you can study in the meantime that show the forefront of the lion on them in Francesco Raphaeles website.

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/francescoraf/hesyra/2aha.htm

The lion glyph also applies to Narmer and kings following Menes.

No doubt that HAt is why the Greeks called it Atlantis from the Egyptians which I notice because of the nome Athribis and it's transliteration in Egyptian.

I'm guessing that the forefront lion glyphs applies to the term HAt.ja for ruler which also applies to Atlas.

It's exciting because we have evidence of why they called the mountain around Lake Tritonis Atlas mountain and a link for Egypts settlement from the lands of Atlantis Island and your remarkable indication of Urani and Menes' voyage there.

As you also suggested Atalante, Urani stands as a placement for Euanor / Evanor and even perhaps as Evanor resulting in the myth of Uranus that might have evolved into Neptune or Poseidon.

Also, like we notice Atalantes and Atarantes, the kings after Menes were Djet and Djer.

It all gets more strange when we compare Menes with Narmer as some scholars still debate over and our thoughts of the Narmer Palette with the 10 fallen kings.

This palette is a "commerative" memory with a procession that evidences the large libyan district of Maerea or Maerotis (not sure of the correct spelling at present), which the Libyan Tehenu palette also displays the nome glyphs.

Some think that Narmer/Menes may have found the district in this state of despair rather than an actual battle, which is even more astonishing when we suggest that the glyph on the bottom with a bull ruining a walled city was the result...

of the great flood and earthquake described by Critias and Plato.

The Hathor bulls on top of the palette would also indicate this as I suggested that Hathor worship was the result of this great flood and also attributed to the Nile flooding.

What we have then is a funeral procession which is why the king is bare footed and we also notice the Double falcons on the flagstaffs.

This might also explain why the heads were in between the legs of the 10 headless victims and why they also have crowns on their heads as a sign of a great tragedy that befell them.

Sort of like soldiers or sailors holding their hats to their chests in memory.

I also believe that Menes was Oannes who appeared to the Sumerians as the "ManFish" where I we can see and understand how "nes" is common to both and that it was also translated by Manetho into "las" like Atlas.

Narmer/Menes also used a fish symbol and he named Mennefer for Memphis which also means Manfish.

Why would Menes equate himself with Manfish?

Sounds like something to do with Neptune's realms of Oceanus and Nun and their lost home, Atlantis. 

There is also staff symbols with two prongs in some of those labels and ships of course!

Menes also equates to Mneseus which also equates to the Mnoans.

Seems that Menes had a very large realm.

One last note, and my apologies for ranting on from my excitement, but king Den also opened a lake and named it Swt-NTjerw - which is also close to HAt NT iw.

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/francescoraf/hesyra/2aha.htm

Mission Menes!

Thanks Atalante.


P.S.
One of Menes' tombs also had 7 young lions buried in it.





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 21, 2009, 08:41:32 pm
The story about Urani is based on L.A.Waddells interpretation of an ivory label from a tomb of Menes in Abydos. Waddell’s thesis is that Menes was the son of Sargon the Great and Narmer the son of Menes and that the Egyptians came from Sumeria.
This was published around 1930.

Waddell interprets the forepart of a lion as "the western lands", which would seem logical since Africa is the lions land and west of Sumeria, but not actually as Waddell relates for his Sumerian preference, which in Egyptian  actually means "front" or "foremost".

The Aha 1 label in Francesco Raphaels website shows the lion in front of a bird over a sideways u shaped rope with loops on the ends over a stair.
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/wisdom-of-the-first-book-of-atlanteans/aha1.jpg)
The bird can be “a”(hawk or falcon) or “w”(chick) or “ur” as a swallow.
The rope is Th or Tj.
The stair may be rw since rwd is a stairway in Egyptian.
HAt - (a or w or ur)- tj-rw
rwd = stairway
The bird as drawn is unlikely to be a chick so we'll rule out the w.

This should then spell something like;
HAt a Tj rw, HAt a Th rw, or HAt ur Tj rw and HAt ur Th rw
So we have words like hatatejaru, hatatheru, haturtejaru and haturtheru in Aha 1's label.

The Urani story, comes from the Aha 3 label in Francesco's website which now shows a Lion, an x in a balloon shape, and the rope over the stair.
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/wisdom-of-the-first-book-of-atlanteans/aha3.jpg)
x in a balloon should be the same as the x in a circle for city or niwt in Egyptian.
Then we would have; HAt niwt tj rw, HAt niwt th rw .
(Could also just be HAt NT tj/th rw or HAt NT ti/y ru- hatnttiru, hatnttyru)

Aha 3 would be hatniwttejaru, hatniwttheru or hatnttejaru, hatnttheru.

The rw for stair we could even compare to iw for island and perhaps as uru, eru or aru as phonetic terms for island also.

To write HAt in Greek or English we would start with AT as they did for Athribis.
At a nt tj iw  - At  a nt ti is

Atlantis!

That would mean that those labels are referring to the island of Atlantis!

How close is all this to my suggestion of HAt ta nt iw or HAt ta ntr iw for Atlantis? Quite remarkable I'd say.
:)


part of Waddells translation;

tianu mad shu du gun u ra ni i ki ur e
of the western lands, he built a holding(possession) at Urani land, at the Lake of the Peak.

(waddell interprets the forefront lion as Tianu or Tianu Mad shu -The western lands)
the symbol for niwt or city in Egyptian he translates as Uranii

Waddell states that in sumerian ur,uru = dog and uhr in egyptian.
I found Tsm = dog (tjsm or thsm) in Egyptian

Waddell also thinks that Urani is Erin or Ireland and he equates his research with the Norse Edda myth and that Menes sailed to Cornwall England for Tin and died at Knock Many or Hill of Many in ireland, from a wasp sting.
He also equates the sumerian term "gut" with Goth, which I believe simply means "Great" as in semitic GD for Great also.

There is also a possibility that since this voyage was to the extreme western lands, that the lake of the peak could also refer to Mt Atlas and Lake Tritonis or maybe even the Azores islands with Mt.Pico.

Waddell thought the Sumerians settled Egypt, I think the Egyptians settled Sumeria
And Menes was Oannes the Manfish “sailor” who appeared to them.

Link to the Aha Menes labels
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/francescoraf/hesyra/2aha.htm

Paulo Riven
Tribes of Atlantis
October 21, 2009

edit; corrected picture links



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 22, 2009, 05:11:09 pm
HAt Nt Tj rw

HAt Nt = Atant - Atanti - (Greek Atlantis)
(Atant-iw = Atant Island or Atanti)
Atanta or Atante (Greek-Atlanta or Atlante)
iw = Island in Egyptian

At nt tj rw___Atant-tjrw___Atant-tjru___Atant-tjra , (rau)
Atant-tiru___Atant-tira___Atanta-tiru / tira__Atante-tiru / tira
Atant-tyru___Atant-tyra___Atanta-tyru / tira___Atante-tyru / tyra

Atant-tjeru__Atant-tjera
Atant-tjaru__Atant-tjara
Atant-tajeru__Atant-tajaru
Atant-tajaru__Atant-tajara
Atante-tejeru__Atant-tejera

Tj rw
Tjru - Tjaru or Tjeru
Tajaru or Tajeru
Tajara or Tajera
Tejaru or Tejeru
Tejera
Tiru or Tira
Tyru or Tyra

Tajera or Tejera is also phonetically close to my middle name Teixeira and the island I was born on Teiceira, Azores.
(teh-se'-ra / teh she' ra, s like the word "set")  X = ch like chalk, chair but in Portuguese has a "sh" sound which could also sound like a J.
This would also relate to Tarxiens of Malta and Tyre as I suspect to have been the first city of Sidon and Byblos from our Atlantean ancestors. Tharsis or Tharshis, Tharshin may also relate.
In any case we have 3 clues for the Azores Islands as;
1)   Lake of The Peak for Mt Pico
2)   End of the Setting Sun, furthest westward lands
3)   Tjrw is phoneticaly close to Teiceira (tecera) island

The first line or register of the Aha 3 label shows the Ships docking next to a Temple of Neith with a ladder beside it. Perhaps indicating the building of Neith's Temple or just meaning they landed on the island and climbed up to the temple.
In either case, like the female name of Atlantis, the island was dedicated to Neith or "Foremost of Neith" as indicated by HAt Nt. TaJara would mean Earth of God’s Kingdom or Earth of God’s Sun.

Foremost of Neith’s Earth in God’s Kingdom
Or
Foremost island of Neith on God’s Earth.

Atanti would be the island, while Tajara the city.

This is interesting because Atlas received the largest portion which received his name, and Menes also equates to Atlas and the Son of Menes was Tjati.

The city may have been named after Menes’ Son and Tjati (Djet) would be Atlas and Djer , Gadeiros. This seems to indicate that Djet would be the first son and Djer the second rather than first as recorded, but in all indication they were Twins, so we would have Tjati and Tjari, Atlas and Gadeiros.
While Menes and Neith would be Evanor and Leucippe.
Euanor relates to Oannes relates to Menes.

Or they all carried the traditional names from Atlantis.

These are all ideas for now. What is and what was, time will tell.

On another interesting note, in Aha label 1, the bird symbol is used after Hat.
HAt ur Nt Tj rw which would also relate to Aturantia and Urantia which probably came from this label and Waddells suggestion of Uranni.

Guess we know where the idea for the title Urantia books came from.

I prefer Atant Tajara because A is foremost and our languages evolved from Linear A.
Tajara, the Royal City of Atlantis Island.
Atanti Tajara
Atlantis


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on October 23, 2009, 05:43:25 pm
[R]…Egypt’s well guarded Secret by Riven…[R]

Atlantean____Egyptian___Egyptian meaning_____Greek meaning

Evanor______Menes____enduring, established____primeval firstborn
Leucippe____Neith_____she of the (white?) waters_white, horses, light of beauty
Cleito_______Tejat(i)___God’s favored, hill______Kings favored, hill

Atlas________Djet_____horus the snake_________Foremost of the people
Gadeiros_____Djer_____Hr Dr, horus who aides___Ga Dr great in sheep, shepherd
Evaemon____MerNeith__beloved of Neith________fortunate woman
Ampheres____Den______horus who strikes (nebty)_at both sides
Mneseus_____Semerkhet_companion of the gods___memory of God
Autochthon___Anendjib__safe of heart___________earthborn
Elasippus_____Qa'a_____extended of arm_________horse rulers
Mestor___Hotepsekhemwy_two powers at peace____nne middle, suitor, advisor
Azaes_______Raneb  "lord of the Sun"____________ashened, burnt
Diaprepes___Ninetjer____The One of God_________knowledge of God

Djet, should actually be before Djer in king lists and also the foremost king after Cleito.
Djet and Djer in king lists would be Iteti and Iterti. Obviously they are twins.
Den also went by, “the one of the desert” for his Nebty or “two ladies” title of which he was the first pharaoh to use this title that compliments “at both sides” or “two names”.
Semerkhet and Anendjib switched places to compliment the meaning
Some horus names may not match where nebty names or others might like Den’s

When we include my comparisons in this list and the indication that the Menes or Aha3 ivory label appears to relate a voyage to Atlantis named HAt Nt Tj rw (Atanti) in the Aha3 label and the records that Solon and the priests were looking at in the Temple of Neith, there is astounding evidence that the Egyptians are really Atlanteans as proposed and also indicated by the Atlantean Libyan district of Maerea or Mareotis as the intial rulers of Egypt and Neith’s origin being related to Libya like Athena also was or Neptune.

Menes also compares to Poseidon as breaking up the ground around the hill of Cleito to make the royal city when he broke up the ground to dam the Nile around Memphis turning it into an island on the western side and building a lake that bordered the north and east sides of Memphis.

This is not to say that Memphis was Atlantis as some suggest the labels are talking about the Nile Delta, nor that these were in fact the original kings of Atlantis, but that they preserved and carried on the names and traditions after the flood (hathor bulls) and the death of the 10 kings as displayed by the “commemorative” Narmer Palette that also shows Menes’ daughter Tjt or Tejati.

We also know that there are Libyan Kings prior to Menes as the Turin king list or Palermo stone reveal that support this thesis.

Evermore, the underlying factor seems to be that the Aha3 label was the basis for the Atlantean story which also displays a kneeling bull that may relate to this flood also or the fact that Menes drowned and was not killed by wild dogs, crocodiles or wasps as some suggest. Menes and Neith were transformed into Osiris and Isis after the 4th dynasty.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/wisdom-of-the-first-book-of-atlanteans/aha3.jpg)

Paulo Riven
Tribes of Atlantis
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home

October 23, 2009

Changing MainStream Science!






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Corissa on November 25, 2009, 01:08:19 pm
Awesome stuff, Riven, I like your iconography!


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on January 24, 2010, 04:13:19 am
.111.[R].The Witnessing of Paulo.J.Tx.Mn.[R].111.

I'll try and explain this one last time as simply as possible and how my research into Atlantis took a turn in December 2005 thru January 2006 by God's will, for it is what it is by His own accordances.

I began my Atlantean research in 2003 and joined Atlantis Rising Forums.
Initially I chose Riven for my pseudo name because it is in the word Scriven, which is to Scribe or write in antiquity. It also means to be torn or separated such as our true histories, religions and languages also are. Riven is also my favorite video game from Cyan and their "Myst" series of adventure games.

In 2003, I also chose the avatar of the warrior on the white horse battling demon hordes below because it symbolized my personal quest in the battle to prove Plato's Atlantis Legend is based on a true story and it also reflected my near death experience when I witnessed the grey spirits below upon my ascension to the Oval light.
Little did I know that this image would reflect Revelations of the Bible and my new battle and defense of our True Creator, JA MN, along with my Atlantean research.
quote:
 
Revelation Chapter 19

11 And I saw heaven opened: and behold a white horse. And he that sat upon him was called faithful and true: and with justice doth he judge and fight. 12 And his eyes were as a flame of fire: and on his head were many diadems. And he had a name written, which no man knoweth but himself. 13 And he was clothed with a garment sprinkled with blood. And his name is called: THE WORD OF GOD.
 
Later, I decided to use my first name Paulo with Riven and Riven would become the name for the White Horse. As the spiritual awakening commenced from witnessing God's name written on top of the Great Pyramid, I would inherit many names of meaning. For a name should have meaning to be proper like Atlantis also does as a testimony to her truth.

Ironically, realizing that JA MN was the oldest God in our histories and my last name is also MN and that God is Aeternal, and that His works were upon me, I inherited the name of Ae-Jor Mn in defense of our God Ae-JA MN. Jorge is my second name. As I am the fifth born child, I also have 5 names which are PJTCM that ironically also reflects "Praise Jesus The Christ Man or messiah" and I was born on an island once known as Jesus Christ Island in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on All Saints Day. I recently explained some of the psychic phenomena I experienced which also combines with my photos. I am also related to Kings and Queens of Portugal in the 12th-13th centuries, so my signature of "Riven The Seer and Royal bloodline to Atlantis" as you can see, ironically is also "Truth".

Again, this also reflects revelations where it says that no man knoweth his name and that "his name is the word of God", thus AeJor MN is the word and defence of God AeJA MN, ae being eternal or aeternal, see?

In January, 2006 while googling Egypt for my Atlantean research, I felt a physical "nudge" on my right shoulder as I approached the Great Pyramid. Zooming in directly on top, I saw the image of two letters that spelled in antiquity, JA.

Thus I found God and God found me, and through me God worked wonders as these photos testify to which include our Garden of Avila in Eden or properly, Tansania, Africa. Avila is an old name for Africa and was disguised between the H's as havilah.
The v and l interchange with f and k/c in antiquity. Decoding Egypt's Eye of Ra will show you the way to the Garden to witness the Eye as God's left hand and God disguised in His thumb creating a child with my Face on it while God's wife, who is wearing a diamond crown, looks upon in The Garden.

SaJaRa is also another name I use meaning "Son of God is King".
I also use Sword of Avila or Obsidian Dragon Slayer for aiding God in the downfall of Satan as I believe and from personal experience and witnessing, both with God and with Satan.

I am physically connected with The Golden Sun in our sky and God by a ray of light.
Realizing the importance of the pyramid, I decoded the pyramid, which pointed me to the Carina Nebula and not the warrior realm of Orion.

There I discovered the Secret of The Pyramids and The Ascension of God's son preserved by the Hubble Telescope in Carina nebula. Carina nebula is also known as "The Finger of God" and ironically, my name in the Bible Code with Carina, brings up a phrase also mentioning, "this is the finger of God", just as my name can also be found in the Bible Code with Eden.
quote:
 
enter query; paulo jorge men
The Second Book of Moses, Called Exodus 8:19
Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God and Pharaohs heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them as Jehovah had spoken.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/paulo-jorge-men
 
Paulo Jorge Men Eden also brings up the same quote as above; http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/paulo-jorge-men-eden
(or paulo jorge men eden god)

I have also demonstrated how 3 images from the lost book of Nostradamus also can be identified to all this, not out of arrogance but to aide in provenance to these most mysterious of truths of which I cannot deny.

Then again, Jesus working many miracles and the ones with false hearts denied him or those of the Black Sun.

Believe it or not, matters not. To Know Is Immortal and now you know.

Which is all that matters for the truth to one day ring in your hearts and minds.

God's name JA on top of The Great Pyramid.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza4_Color_enhanced_Riven05.jpg

Decoding The Pyramids points to Carina Nebula and reveals how to Seat the Sphinx.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Pythagoras_Pyramid_Map_by_Riven05.GIF

The Ascension of The Christ being defended by a White Dragon from Satan in Carina Nebula (Hubble Space Labs)
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/The_Ascension__and_The_Dragon_of_Defence__Hubble_Telescope_R.JPG

The relocated Temple of The Sun from Saqqara, Egypt some 5000 miles away on an island.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/The_Relocated__Temple_of_Fire_Tomb_of_His_Holiness_Riven06.JPG

Garden of Eden and The Eye of Ra as God's Left Hand with God disguised in the Thumb.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga13.jpg

Closeup of God and His Wife wearing a Diamond Crown as She looks upon my face as a child.**(new image)
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Secret_of_the_Eye_of_Ra_PauloRiven09.jpg

Satan beheaded by the Burning Crooked Sword.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Satan%27s_death_Riven09.bmp

Ironcially, we have the recent sighting of a burning sword ufo in the heavens filmed by fekdemasons at David Icke.com

http://www.youtube.com/v/FI6d6J_OaR8

Huge Ufo / burning sword thread at David Icke.com
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92663
quote:
 
Acts 2
17 And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord), I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy: and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And upon my servants indeed and upon my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my spirit: and they shall prophesy.
19 And I will show wonders in the heaven above, and signs on the earth beneath: blood and fire, and vapour of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood, before the great and manifest day of the Lord to come.
21 And it shalt come to pass, that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 
quote:
 
Revelation Chapter 20
1 And I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
 
Satan's image next to The Pit of The Calling in Kenya's rift valley with Judas' head below.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga29.jpg

Zoomed in;
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga28.jpg

3 Headed Dragon and the Dark Seal lower right.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga22.jpg

Skull of Apocolypse and the Iron Horse.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga23.jpg

Two Spiritual shadows battling it out in a volcanic pit next to the base of Mt Kilimanjaro, z markings.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga30.jpg

3 eyed 2 nosed face Geryon, herder of the Phoenician cart for those destined into the Pit.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga31.jpg

Nostradamus 1
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Lostbook_Nostradamus1_Riven09.jpg
Nostradamus 2
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Lostbook_Nostradamus2_Riven09.jpg
Nostradamus 3
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Lostbook_Nostradamus3_Riven09.jpg

As you can see, I have a valid reason and concern to provide for us information about the materia and immateria worlds and a closer look at our histories and most importantly, to bring us closer to our True Creator and His numbers and letters.

For letters and numbers don't lie, people do.

For you see, our Alphabet originally comes from at least 12,000 years ago from our Atlantean Aterian and Azilian counterparts in western Europe and Western Africa which evolved into Linear A, our root language. When the Phoenicians (phony ones, falsifiers), landed in Iberia, they stole the south Iberian script and passed it off as Linear B of which the Greeks only needed a couple of letters if any for they already had their language evolved from Atlanteans. Some words in Greek, as in French, Italian and Spanish, are comparable to Portuguese.

Here in this one post you have substantial evidence of support. If you don't think so, then please provide your evidence of why not rather than in sinuous insults derived from resentment or miniscule knowledge. First impressions are lasting impressions and people always remember someone with "class".

If you would like to know the truth about Atlantis and our Histories, click below.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home

AeJor Mn
Son of AeJa Mn

Sword of Avila
Obsidian Dragon Slayer
Opener of The Ways.

SaJaRa
8491.aJa
7:50 PM 11/30/2009

.111.[R].A Tale of Two Suns of Aeon’s Eye.[R].111.

.111.Three heads, three necks and one body hath the beast.
No redemption, no repention, no contention for time.
A stone faced harlot, red dragon and horned asp to the east.
Set about Three short of six and four less of nine.
Of a measure to alter the Sun and the harvest of the feast.

Fall became winter upon spring to be summer of heat.
No food for it’s fill, no water to quench its thirst.
But hunger of plunder for blood of the sweet.
And to serve it’s ob master branded seven oer first.
No promise gained honor, no silence kept discreet.

Nostrils flared, eyes glared and poised to attack.
Eight by Seven and Six by Five while yet by Four.
Set upon the Beast of Three erst cowering at its back.
Ne’er anticipating the thunder to lay silenced upon the floor.
And reveal the crooked daggers whence ceased its track.

Five Straightened Daggers of Sun to be done the undone.
A S0w no laughter to squeal perversions or diversions.
Unfit to be b0rn the Ram has no h0rn to replace the S0n.
Sister 0f shad0ws, cat’s h0wls silenced for all dimensi0ns.
To separate the cleaving son fr0m the blue n0 face reptilian.

Delivered yon Son to the Sun for Freedom of Aeon’s 10:10.
Erstwhile Five crossed mid center to free the Three of Four.
And Light of radiance burst forth kissing trees and grassy plain.
To caress petals of silkened dew reflecting love of Evermore.
Harmony of breath beats hearts lasting song once again.111.


Paulo Riven
AeJor Mn
Son of AeJA MN

Sword of Avila
8491.aJA

Tuesday, December 01, 2009
12/1/2009 5:54 AM

 
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/what-is-atlantis/Beast_of_8_Riven09.jpg

The picture above will aid you in understanding my poem of The Two Sun's.

Basically, the Bibles Revelations tells us that the Beast is the 8th of 7 beasts that is also seen in the above picture. 1,2 and 3 in front with 4,5,6,7,8 in back.
The Beast falls but rises again to be finally sealed in The Pit of The Calling in Kenya’s Rift Valley, which is the home base of the Evil Family in opposition to God, The Creator JA Mn. This should be representative of Satan having rule over the 7 Churches of Asia from his new seat in Pergamon or at the Golan Heights is my belief. One is God’s number, so the Stone faced harlot replaces God as the leader of the 7 churches, and a woman disguised as a man which would be YaH from JA. The Second beast, the Red Dragon is probably Pagan Rome while the Third beast of Horned Asp is Egypt. Third is the Son’s number, which also reflects Philitis the Shepherd as the earlier Christ upon Egypt.
Egypt was first to be stained from Kenya thus they became Khem. From Egyptian Pharaohs it passed into Phoenicia, Mesopotamia and Europe. These would have been the 3 main powers of middle Earth as the 3 headed beast out front that is manipulated by Satan as the Ram’s head and his family beside him working from behind the scenes.
The number 5 as the Cleaving Son, who is actually a 3 is indicative of the Changing of The Son for Satan to have dominion. Thus 3 of 5 make 8 = Satan for that specific time.
8 is two Serpents intertwined or Two Suns, one white one black, thus if Christ prevails the 5 reverts the 8 back to 3 for the age.
So the power of dominion resides in The Son of which the object is to free The Cleaving Son in exchange for another. Black Horus for Golden Orus in this case for the return of Christ for our age of Aquarius. These objectives have to be done in both the material and
immaterial, thus I found the objectives of the immaterial as my spells and photos have demonstrated while God will handle our material. The magic was simply revealing the Secrets of Satan’s intentions to try and destroy the Son as Carina Nebula demonstrates and our Creator JA Mn. So it thought.

.111.[R].Aeons of our Alpha Geomatria by AeJor Mn.[R].111.

Precessional Cycle of Procession;
1000 year cycles for 4000 year eras separated by 1000 years of change. (each number and letter represents 1000 years up to 26 letters of our Alphabet.)
Modern = 12 Zodiacs of 2160 yrs = 25,920 years, should be 13 Zodiacs of 2000 yrs for 26,000 year era. Christ and the 12 Disciples.
Our first constellation is hidden but not. Our constellation of the Royal Crown of 5 points or Giant M is visible 90 degrees west of the big dippers handle and above your head when the big dipper is low on the horizon.
So it was that God was also hidden and disguised by another. (JA for YAH)

Aeon of Air

A)-1 = God; AM, Alpha, (I-AM, AMN) = Ja Mn (Aeternal Aeon, Amen) (23,594.bC)
B)-2 = God's Wife = Beauty, Ba - Spirit of God (22,594.bC)
C)-3 = Son = Christ = Ray of Orus (Ca, Ka = duality = Reflection of God )(21,594)
D)-4 = Daughter = Diana, Diva, Lux of Ipse = Light of Beautiful Self(20,594)

E)-5 = 1st Change of 5 = Two Suns (sons) = (19,594-18,594.bC)

Aeon of Fire

F)-6 = Evil Father - Blue Reptilian - Foul Flesh of Faust - Phanes (18,594.bC)
G)-7 = Mother - Laughing Pig- uGly = Glutton of Mutton (17,594.bC)
H)-8 = Satan - Horn(less) Ram - Hat of Horus (16,594.bC) (Same era of Egyptian ---______Hercules/Orion -ref;Herodotus Histories)*
I)-9 = Sister of Shadows - Introverted IsIs / Io (SerammIS, IShatar) twIn ob harlotS ______(15,594.bC) (Era of Osiris/Isis-Herodotus Histories)*

J)-10 = 2nd change of 5 (14,494-13,594.bC)

Aeon of Earth

K)-11 = Ka = Duality of The Sun or Twin Sons = Knowledge (13,594 - 12,594.bC) _______(Atlantean Azilian Alphabet)
L)-12 = Lordship of Land, Dominion of The Sun = Language (12,594.bC)
M)-13 = Motion of Omen, Fate of The Sun's Dominion = Memory (11,594.bC)
N)-14 = Novus Dominii - New Dominion of The Sun = New Natal = New Birth _______(10,594.bC) (Ice Age Ends)

O)-15 = 3rd change of 5 = Ominus Orbus Ordum = Order of The Sun's Presence _______(9,594.bC - 8,594.bC) Ice Age Recedes

Aeon of Water

P)-16 Pharaoh, Egypt city state of Nun = Water God (8,594.bC)
Q)-17 Quest of The Queen, Isis poisons Ra, Osiris Murdered, Destruction of Mankind to ______follow (7,594.bC)
R)-18 Recreation or Resurrection of Adam after the Great Disaster of 6482.bC.
_____(6,594.bC)
S)-19 Sin (5,594.bC) Cain murders Abel, change of Tribes to barbaric warrior cultures

T)-20 = 4th change of 5 (4,594-3,594.bC) (Atlantean Double Falcon era Egypt, approx _______age of Pyramids)

Aeon of Air

U)-21 - Undoing of Utnapishtim (Biblical and Hathor Flood, 3253.bC) (Philitis The _______Shepherd, Dec.10th,3474.bC)(3,594.bC)
V)-22 - Vexation of Venus, Tyre, Sidon, Byblos - Phoenician advent (2,594.bC)
W)-23 - Wisdom Returns, Athens Greece city state, (1,594.bC)
X)-24 - X = Ch = Christ Appears, Jesus The Christ - Zero to our Calendar)
_______(594.bC-406.aD)

Y)-25 = 5th change of 5 - Fall of The Library of Alexandria and Hypatia,
_______(406.aD-1406.aD)
Y = Ya = Shovel = JA hidden and buried in literature by YAH and Judaen uprising from the Bible of Constantine. YaH gains dominion from Phoenicia.

Aeon of Fire (Fire Extinguished = Satan Falls, reverts to Water = Age of Aquarius)

Z)-26 = 8 = infinity = Omega = End of our 26,000 year cycle around The Sun (sons), _____8888 = 2406.aD. (current age from 6482.bC = 8491)

Herodotus in his Histories books written ca.440bC, stated the Egyptian Hercules as 17,000 years prior and Osiris as 15,000 years prior.

You can also try to figure out planets or the zodiac signs, or any other histories that would apply, but I think this enough for now. 10:10 is the order of Universal Time that was altered ahead to 11:11 from the Evil families intervention on Earth, thus you were psychologically programmed to see 11:11 which now is reverted to 10:10 as God ordained for His Creation.

Well, I hope you understand that it’s not easy trying to figure all this out by myself and figure an easy way to explain it to you all. Anyways, like many of my posts that may seem confusing and out of place at times, the object was to get as much info out as possible for you all to provide you with clues also whether here or in the material or out there in the immaterial or for our Atlantean Heritage.

For All we are truly Atlanteans.

Best of Aeon’s Ages to you and your families.

I Love You All to Never Fall

And Remember, Be Good, Be Bad but know not Evil.

AeJor Mn
Son of AeJA Mn
Sword of Avila
Obsidian Dragon Slayer
Opener of The Ways

And Riven my White Horse wishes you Prosperity.

8491.aJA
12/1/2009 9:10 PM

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Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Jennifer O'Dell on January 24, 2010, 10:49:26 pm
Hey Riven,

I remember a lot of this research from back at  AR, it has really developed it's own momentum.  Welcome back.

Jennifer


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on January 25, 2010, 03:50:31 pm
Thanks Jennifer, I never forget a pretty face, nice to hear from you.


Have a look at this 1827 map by a French Cartographer of Atlantis.(Atlantique)

This map compliments my map of the large island of Atlantis being visible by outlining land around the Azores,Canaries and Cape Verde.

Interesting how he names the body of water between Cape Verde and the Canaries, Lake Tritonis.

I imagine that "pays de Atlantes" means plains of Atlantis.

(http://www.davidrumsey.com/rumsey/Size4/D0112/1801046.jpg)

Here's my map;

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Alluvial_Atlantis_100000bC_Riven_05.JPG)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 09, 2010, 12:20:13 am
.111.[R].Atlantean Chronos by Paulo Riven.[R].111.


Critias speaking ca.420.bC as preserved by Plato ca.360.bC;

 “My great-grandfather, Dropides, had the original writing, which is STILL IN MY POSESSION, and was carefully studied by me when I was a child”

“For the fact is that a single night of excessive rain washed away the earth and laid bare the rock; at the same time there were earthquakes, and then occurred the extraordinary inundation, which was the THIRD BEFORE the great destruction of Deucalion.”

“On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he (Solon) began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced THE GENEALOGY of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to COMPUTE HOW MANY YEARS AGO the events of which he was speaking happened.”

Egyptian Priest; “As for those GENEALOGIES of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children.”


150,000-3253.bC...Large Island of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean about 300 miles before the Straites of Gibraltar at the Josephine / Torre Seamounts estimated some 2000 x 1000 miles in area. First Garden of Umans and Animals.
 
3795....Attica (Athens) founded 9000 years prior to Solon (years = GENERATIONS = 2.79 conversion compared to modern Egyptian kings lists from Menes)
 
3437......Sais, Egypt founded 8000 years prior to Solon
 
####......Atlantean War begins
 
####......Atlantean war ends, Greeks victorious, countries liberated (could also be a result of the following flood)
 
3253..(3rd) Greatest disaster before Deukalion's flood. Great Flood of Noah (biblical), Hathor Flood Egypt, Mediterranean event, Atlantis sinks, Athens destroyed, Euphrates valley flooded, countries become liberated afterwards.
 
3200......Egypt records Atlantis in the Temple of Neith and The Sacred  Registers.
 
####......Phoenicia, (Tyre, Byblos, Sidon), Eridu, Nippur, Nineveh, Uruk, Akkad, Malta,Crete etc, cities arise.
 
1754..(2).Flood of Ogyges (Eusebius, Africanus)
 
1628..(1).Santorini,Thera Volcanic eruption, Flood. Zeus, Poseidon and Typhon Gods created by Greeks.
 
####......Actaeon 1st king of Athens
 
1582......Cecrops -an Egyptian king of Athens
 
1574......Deukalion-king of thessaly
 
1529..(0).Deukalion's Flood
 
1522......Amphictyon-king of Athens after deukalion's flood
 
1209.....Battle of Troy
 
1190.....Great Mediterranean Depression resulting from Troy battle, remnant armies invade stockpiled Egypt as the Sea Peoples.
 
800.......Homer writes The Iliad and The Odyssey
 
750.......Hesiod writes Theogony
 
570.......Solon visits Sais and Pharaoh Amassis II(ca.564)-Atlantis legend revealed by Egyptian Head Priest Uadjahor-Resne.
 
570.......Anacreon the poet writes, "west to Gades and east to Bactria".
 
470......Hellanicus of Mytilene (Lesbos), writes a work on the account of Atlas' daughter named Atlantis.
 
440.......Herodotus writes Histories that accounts for Atalantes and Atarantean cultures around Lake Tritonis and Mt.Atlas.
 
420.......Critias II orates Atlantean story to Socrates in the amphitheatre, also in posession of Atlantis writing from great grandfather, Dropides, friend of Solon.
 
399.......Socrates poisoned
 
360.bC.......Plato writes Timaeus and Critias account of Atlantis, possibly in Syracuse,Italy while imprisoned by The Traitor Dionysius.
 
..0.......Jesus Christ, The Son of God
 
350.aD....Chalcidius preserves Timaeus in Latin (St Augustine?), most likely in Syracuse, Italy. In his Timaeus latin manuscript, Chalcidius penned Augustos rather than angostos for a straite.
 
850.........John The Scot Eriugena, (inspired by St Augustine and Pseudo Dionysus the Areopagite) escapes to France with Plato's works
 
1110......William of Conche writes Glosses on Timaeus, perhaps even in the margins on the Chalcidius latin manuscript.
 
1263.......Master Henry of Langely "bound" the Timaeus with the Song of Roland apparently from an ecclesiastical (Christian church) book of Marie de Oleneyd.
 
1528-1598.....Henri Estienne (aka Henricus Stephanus or Henry Stephens),16th century Parisian printer. In 1578 Plato's Dialogues published. Thesaurus Linguae Graecae in 4 volumes 1572, (and a supplement in 2 volumes). He improved old translations, or made new Latin translations, of many Greek authors.
 
1624......Sir Kenelm Digby inherited the transcript and transferred it to the Bodleian Library of Oxford. (Ms Digby 23, Selden cupboard)
 
1626......Francis Bacon, 1st Viscount of St Alban, publishes fictional work The New Atlantis about an island in the Pacific.
 
1804......Thomas Taylor, a banker / philosophist translated the latin texts of Plato into English from his avid interests in Kenelm Digby.
 
1871......Ben Jowett, translations
 
1882....Ignatius Donnelly publishes one of the best scientific views of Atlantis in Atlantis: The Antediluvian World. A year after Atlantis he published Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel.
 
1903....John Burnet's Greek works of Platonis Opera
 
1925....W.R.M.Lamb, Plato in 12 volumes
 
1929....R.G.Bury translations
 
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Jennifer O'Dell on February 10, 2010, 11:14:39 am
Hey Riven, how is it going?  Don't these dates conflict with the ones given in Timaeus?


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 10, 2010, 05:03:48 pm
Hi Jennifer, hope your well.

No, they are calculated in generations as compared to the Egyptian kings list of Herodotus that reveals an estimated 2.79 conversion. 9000 / 2.79 = 3225 + 570 = 3795.bC

Solon and the Egyptian priest were computing by Generations as they themselves related.

Thanks Jennifer.


Plato's Timaeus dialogue written ca.360.bC is his first account of preserving the Atlantis legend from Solon ca570.bC.

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"There were of old, he said, great and marvellous actions of the Athenian city, which have passed into oblivion through lapse of time and the destruction of mankind, and one in particular, greater than all the rest."


That means that anything Solon could recall or mention about Greek history does not include the Atlantean war or era because it was also "Oblivious or unknown" to Solon or the Greeks.

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"And what was the tale about, Critias? said Amynander.
About the greatest action which the Athenians ever did, and which ought to have been the most famous, but, through the lapse of time and the destruction of the actors, it has not come down to us."

Critias I,grandfather to Critias II, also supports the statement that the Atlantean legend was unknown to Solon,Dropides,himself or the Greeks and that none of them could recall the legend in their histories that were remembered since the first king of Athens, being Actaeon and then Cecropes ca.1450.bC or even upto Phoroneus ca.1800.bC or Deukalion's flood ca.1520-1450.bC.

So from 1800.bC - 570.bC, neither Solon or the Greeks had any knowledge of Atlantis.

Solon goes to Sais with the knowledge of everything that he knows about Greece.

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"To this city came Solon, and was received there with great honour; he asked the priests who were most skilful in such matters, about antiquity, and made the discovery that neither he nor any other Hellene knew anything worth mentioning about the times of old. On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened. Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age."

Again this verifies my above statement that Solon or the Greeks had any memory of Atlantis from Phoroneus upto Solon or 1800-570.bC. This timespan would also include Cecrops,the Erichthonios kings and Theseus who was around 1250.bC. This will support the statement in the Critias dialogue that Cecrops,Erichthonios,Theseus, etc, were mentioned DURING the account of the Atlantean war or legend to verify the Athenean GENEALOGIES to Solon by the Egyptian priest, not that those kings fought in the Atlantean war or that this was the Atlantean era.

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"As for those genealogies of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children. In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived. And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word. For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war and in every way the best governed of all cities, is said to have performed the noblest deeds and to have had the fairest constitution of any of which tradition tells, under the face of heaven."

The Egyptian priest confirms that Solon's GENEALOGY or GENERATIONS had no account of the Atlantean legend and that they only recalled the Deukalion flood. We should also realize that the years and histories were being COMPUTED BY GENERATIONS.

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"The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians"

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"and then, in accordance with the tale of Solon, and equally with his law, we will bring them into court and make them citizens, as if they were those very Athenians whom the sacred Egyptian record has recovered from oblivion, and thenceforward we will speak of them as Athenians and fellow-citizens."


Plato's Critias dialogue is the Second and more detailed account of Atlantis by Critias speaking ca.420.bC.
It is very important to not Critias' closing statement in the Timaeus where he tells us that he is going to merger the old with the new for his audience and that he is recounting the progressive stages of the history.So when you hear modern names like Triremes,chariots, etc, they are a part of Critias modernizing the story and not that we should look for the history of triremes.

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"Let me begin by observing first of all, that nine thousand was the sum of years which had elapsed since the war

The progress of the history will unfold the various nations of barbarians and families of Hellenes which then existed, as they successively appear on the scene

This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their narrative of that war mentioned most of the names which are recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such as Cecrops, and Erechtheus, and Erichthonius, and Erysichthon, and the names of the women in like manner"

There you can understand that the 9000 years was the "progressive" entire GENEALOGY or YEARS of the histories in which the war occurred and not that the war actually took place 9000 years ago but after Egypt(8000yrs) was founded.
We should also be able to relate why the mentioning of Cecrops, etc took place during the account.

The Generational Theory as compared to our modern lists of Egypt with Herodotus, reveals a 2.79 formula that places the Atlantean war during the Double Falcon era of Egypt or around 3250-3500.bC and also prior to the Great or Third Flood before Deukalion which is the same as the Biblical flood around or prior to 3250.bC.

The Generational theory is the ultimate missing piece of understanding the Atlantean legend for it's entirety.

Paulo Riven
Tribes of Atlantis
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/


https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/plato-s-truth

 


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on February 10, 2010, 07:07:08 pm
Hi Riven
From Timaeus regarding Solon and his effort at the computing of generations:

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and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened.

However, the old priest did not have to figure out the generations because he states quite clearly, the time line:

In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived. And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word. For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war and in every way the best governed of all cities, is said to have performed the noblest deeds and to have had the fairest constitution of any of which tradition tells, under the face of heaven.

Solon marvelled at his words, and earnestly requested the priests to inform him exactly and in order about these former citizens. You are welcome to hear about them, Solon, said the priest, both for your own sake and for that of your city, and above all, for the sake of the goddess who is the common patron and parent and educator of both our cities. She founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and afterwards she founded ours, of which the constitution is recorded in our sacred registers to be eight thousand years old.

As touching your citizens of nine thousand years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action; the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves. If you compare these very laws with ours you will find that many of ours are the counterpart of yours as they were in the olden time.

There is no doubt in the priest's story regarding the time line.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 10, 2010, 08:10:18 pm
Thank you for your question Qoasis. Hope this helps.



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”She founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and afterwards she founded ours, of which the constitution is recorded in our sacred registers to be eight thousand years old.
As touching your citizens of nine thousand years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action; the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves.”

Herodotus in his Histories books written ca.440.bC, tells us that 3 Generations were equal to 100 years or 33.33 years per generation.
Herodotus also told us that there were 341 kings up to Psammetic III ca.526.bC and that they totaled 11,340 years.

We can assume that the Egyptian Priest either remembered the number 8,000 years or he remembered the number of kings, divided by 3 and multiplied by 100 to give him 8000 years for his time of 570.bC.

8,000 / 100 = 80 generations x 3 = 240 kings recalled by the Egyptian Priest at 570.bC. Some 130 years later, Herodotus tells us 341 kings.

Here’s the notes from my Flight of A King’s Golden Sandals paper in my website to help you understand.

Turin Canon = 254 (Menes+10 prior) + 25 pre-dynastic missing (Turin Sec.I:1-25) = 279 Kings
279 / 3 = 93 gen. x 100 yrs = 9,300 yrs. 9,300 + 526 = 9,826.bC.
Herodotus: 11,340.yrs = 341.kings based on 3 generations = 100.yrs (33.33)

341/3 = 113.67 gen. X 100.yrs = 11,367yrs. 11,367 + 526 = 11,893 bC.

Psammetic III = 526.bC.

Amassis = 570.bC.

Menes = 244 kings = 81.33 gen. x 100 = 8,133.yrs

8,133 + 526 = 8,659.bC.

Modern record. 3200 (Menes) - 526 = 2,674.yrs / 244 = 10.96.yrs per king

Menes was originally dated to 3400.bc based on the Palermo Stone with an expected future drop of 100 years.*

Herodotus-341 X 10.96 = 3,737.36 + 526 = 4263.36.bC.

Turin Canon-279 x 10.96 = 3,057.84 + 526 = 3,583.84.bC.

Egyptian Calendar = 4241.bC*
 

2.79 error factor for Herodotus.(11,893 / 4263.36)
 

Plato Atlantean era Greece founding = 9,000.yrs./2.79 = 3225.81.yrs

Plato Egypt founding = 8,000.yrs./2.79 = 2867.38.yrs
 

3225.81 + 570 (Amassis) = 3795.81.bC...Athen's Greece founded (Athena)

2867.38 + 570 = 3437.38.bC...Sais, Lower Egypt founded (Neith)
 

Atlantean War (post greece and egypt's founding) = 3250.bC

Turin Canon - 10 missing kings prior to Menes = 3200 - 3300.bC.

Narmer Palette - 10 Fallen Kings,Double Falcon era(Twins) - 3250.bC

Egyptian Tomb 100 map battle - 3250.bC

Gebel el Arak carved ivory knife battle - 3250.bC

Eye of Ra Destruction of Mankind = Hathor worship = Flood - 3250.bC.

Greek Cycladic Islands Stone (frying pan) map of Atlantis = ca.3000.bC

Sumerian / Gilgamesh flood legend = ca.3000.bC

Aeon and Protogonus,first mortals of Phoenicia = ca.3147.bC

Chaldean /Septuagint flood = 3183.bC
 
The catch 22 is that it is acceptable for Herodotus to say that 341 kings totalled 11,340 years based on 33.33 generations each how ever, the answer is in the length of the kings reigns which is quite different than generations. A prime example of this is the Hebrew count for the 10 generations of Adam to Noah based on the ages that they had sons, which was 1656 years to the flood. But the life spans of the 10 patriarchs totaled 8225 years.

I am of opinion that this is precisely what Plato wrote in Solon's legend of Atlantis, when the Egyptian Priest stated 9000 yrs, they were referring to generations rather than actual length of ruler ship as our records of Egypt reveal so far as is known intelligible. Compare 279 Kings @ 33.33 generations = 9,299.07 years or 244 kings (Menes) = 8,133. years, which clearly reflects the Egyptian Priest (Uadjahor Resne) stating that Egypt was founded 8000 years prior in Plato's(360.bC) preservation of Solon's(564.bC) Atlantis legend from Sais, Egypt in the time when Pharaoh Amassis was seated.

Paulo Riven
Tribes of Atlantis

 



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 12, 2010, 01:13:14 am

A) The Biblical Flood was around 3253.bC.

The civilizations around the world basically "woke up" around 3000.bC. Egyptians, Minoans, Sumerians, Babylon, Mayans, etc.
The Bible tells you that the first city after the flood was Ur around Babylonia. Archaeology tells you that these cities appear around 3000.bC.
King Sargon is around 2700.bC.

Look at the evidence of artifacts and records I posted above like the Tomb 100 map, Narmer palette, etc, all around 3000.bC.

The Bible flood was not 2350.bC as thought by the Masoretic Hebrew theosophists, obviously.

B) Those kings consisting of Cecropes, Erichthonios, Theseus, etc DID NOT fight in the Atlantean War.

Ask yourself, would Solon have known about those kings?
The answer is Yes!

Did Solon mention those kings as being in the Atlantean War when he told the Egyptian priest everything he knew about the Greek History up to Phoroneus or 1800.bC?
The answer is No!

The Egyptian priest is quoted as “mentioning those names during” the Atlantean legend to verify to Solon that he was talking about a much older time for the Atlantean era and war. Remember, Critias stated that 9000 years had passed since the war, not 900 years.

If Solon knew about Phoroneus and Deukalion, then obviously he would have known about Cecropes, Theseus etc and about Atlanteans. What was oblivious or unknown to Solon and the Greeks was the histories that were prior to Phoroneus or 1800.bC. The Greeks also knew about the Eleusian Wars and The Battle of Ares between Italy and Greece that predated the Erichthonios kings, so why wouldn’t they have known about an Atlantean war between Cecropes or Erichthonios or Theseus who range from 1450 – 1250.bC. Were they fighting a 200 year war against Atlanteans? Highly doubtful.

The Hebrews "claim" that from Adam to Noah is 10 kings or patriarchs who miraculously lived some 900 years each!
The Genealogy is 1656 years to the flood while the life span is 8,225 years of those 10 kings.
If they say the flood is at 2350.bC and were writing the bible around 350.bC that would mean 2000 years from the flood to the bible.
The Hebrews around 350.bC could then "brag" that they were 10,225 years old from their time to Adam, when in reality they would be 3656 years old.
Problem is that the lineage or records are not correct.

Now look at the Egyptian record from Menes who is dated ca.3200.bC up to Psammeticus III ca.526.bC.

Modern scholars "restructured" the chronology of those 244 kings into 2,674 years that would average roughly 11 years per king.

But we can also claim that the 244 kings were 8,133 years old according to generations of an average 33.33 years or 3 per 100 years.

Menes = 244 kings / 3 = 81.33 gen. x 100 = 8,133.yrs

Modern record. 3200.bC (Menes) - 526 = 2,674.yrs / 244 = 10.96.yrs per king.

The actual record, no one can say for certain. Egyptian Scholars around 1920.aD were even dating Egyptian kings like Menes to around 6,000-7,000.bC!
The Hyksos record is also corrupted and enemies or envious rulers erased some King’s records while others could exaggerate longer reigns.

Then you have the bible corrupting and "institutions falsifying" everyone’s history and "fabricating" their “masoretic” histories so they could stay at the forefront with Adam to avoid “embarrassment” that is a great grief amongst Asians to the point of self extermination. Anyone who tells you that Mesopotamia or Sumeria or Babylon is older than Egypt is a “psychoSitchen” and “dis-info masoretic agent”.

Now 10 people at the most would live 120 years or 1,200 years total in succession.

However, when they overlap as Generations or when the next child is born, the length of years is less. In the following chart you can see that in a “perfect” life span of 120 years, 10 people can only live a length of 390 years. The next person outlives the previous by 30 years, so 9 x 30 = 270 + 120 = 390 yrs.

1-30---60---90---120
2---:---30---60----90---120 (150yrs)
3--------:---30----60----90----120 (180yrs)
4-------------:----30----60-----90----120 (210yrs)
5-------------------:----30-----60-----90----120 (240yrs)
6-------------------------:-----30-----60-----90----120 (270yrs)
7--------------------------------:-----30-----60-----90----120 (300yrs)
8---------------------------------------:-----30-----60-----90----120 (330yrs)
9---------------------------------------------:-------30-----60-----90----120 (360yrs)
10----------------------------------------------------:-------30-----60-----90----120 (390yrs)

In the ancient world, as Solon stated in Herodotus Histories, 75 years was a life span around 600.bC, and if we use 25 year generations then 9 x 25 = 225 years + 75 = 300 years for 10 people.

Therefore 244 kings for Menes would be 24.4 groups of 10 people totaling 300yrs per group = 7,320 years according to “perfect generations”.
We can therefore understand why someone would “guess” that Menes was around 7,846.bC or Egypt being founded 8000 years prior to Psammeticus III according to generations.

However, the years were recorded by the Kings reigns that varied greatly and the exact answer is unknown, whereas our modern record shows around 11 years per king. If we say that the Kings reigns were recorded every two years according to biennial cattle counts, then the 8000 years would be 4000 and dated around 4570.bC. If we say that the years was each season for the Nile culture of 3 seasons, then we would have 2,667 years or 3237.bC.
Using my 2.79 year conversion gives us 2867 years or 3437.bC for the 8000 years and 570.bC.

The average of those 3 would give us 3748.bC. The Egyptian calendar was invented around 4241.bC, so obviously we can say that the Egyptians had a civilization around this time to have recorded and written their calendar.

We can therefore envision that if someone claimed 9000 years that they were basing that on either the average of “ideal” genealogies or the life span of those combined in succession but not what actually happened since in antiquity people were fortunate to have survived for 40 years, some more some less.
And not every King ruled for 40 years, although some may lay claim to 50 or more years where we realize that our record reflects an average of 11 years per king.
In reality, anywhere between 10-20 years would suffice anyone’s Kings lists and we can see with the exception of biennial counts or half, that when someone claimed 9000 years, 1/3rd or 3,000 years would be closer to the truth, unless it can be specifically verified as an actual chronology.

Keeping in mind that 10 people could live for 300 years, and that according to archaeology, geology and ancient artifacts dating the Biblical flood to around 3250.bC, we can understand that the Antediluvian kings would date around 3550.bC.

Evermore of Evanor, the 10 Kings were twins or 5 sets, which would then give a mean genealogy of 175 years or a date of 3425.bC that falls precisely within the…

DOUBLE FALCON ERA of Egypt ca. 3250-3550.bC.

Twin Falcon Kings.
Narmer Palette, 10 fallen Kings, Twin Falcon standards.
Bull destroyed a city = Flood.
Hathor = Flood
King “barefoot” = procession “out of respect” for the 10 Fallen Kings.
Narmer palette = Commerative to The Atlantean Kings.

Paulo Riven
Tribes of Atlantis
Sword of Avila

Thursday, February 11, 2010
8492.aJA MN.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 12, 2010, 08:57:49 pm

Osiris son of Kronos son of Ouranos (Diodorus Siculus.Libraries Bk I)

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/1A*.html


Ouranos = first sky or heaven God
________= First God of Greeks and Egyptians
________= Greek / Egyptian = half man, half serpent
________= Father of Oceanus children (Atlantic)
________= Father of Tethys children (Mediterranean)

Ourea = Mountain God > Orichalkos = Mountain Ore

Mountain = high support (enduring) for the sky (Atlas / Shu)

Evanor = First Atlantean Father (Euanor / Ouanor)
_______= Mountain dweller of Atlantis = sky God
_______= Father of Oceanus children (Atlantic)
________= Father of Tethys children (Mediterranean)

Euanor = Berber God


Plato, Cratylus 400d & 396a (trans. Fowler) (Greek philosopher C4th B.C.) :
[Plato constructs philosophical etymologies for the names of the gods :]

"Kronos, according to tradition, is the son of Ouranos (Heaven); but the upward gaze is rightly called by the name heavenly (ourania), looking at the things above (horô ta anô),"


Comparing Orus or Horus to horo ta ano, we could say "He who looks up to Ouranos".


(Diodorus Siculus.Libraries Bk I)

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/1A*.html
 

Quote
"Now I am not unaware that some historians give the following account of Isis and Osiris: The tombs of these gods lie in Nysa in Arabia, and for this reason Dionysus is also called Nysaeus. And in that place there stands also a stele of each of the gods bearing an inscription in hieroglyphs. 4 On the stele of Isis it runs: "I am Isis, the queen of every land, she who was instructed of Hermes, and whatsoever laws I have established, these can no man make p89void. I am the eldest daughter of the youngest god Cronus; I am the wife and sister of the king Osiris; I am she who first discovered fruits for mankind; I am the mother of Horus the king; I am she who riseth in the star that is in the Constellation of the Dog;58 by me was the city of Bubastus built. Farewell, farewell, O Egypt that nurtured me." 5 And on the stele of Osiris the inscription is said to run: "My father is Cronus, the youngest of all the gods, and I am Osiris the king, who campaigned over every country as far as the uninhabited regions of India and the lands to the north, even to the sources of the river Ister,59 and again to the remaining parts of the world as far as Oceanus. I am the eldest son of Cronus, and being sprung from a fair and noble egg60 I was begotten a seed of kindred birth to Day. There is no region of the inhabited world to which I have not come, dispensing to all men the things of which I was the discoverer." 6 So much of the inscriptions on the stelae can be read, they say, but the rest of the writing, which was of greater extent, has been destroyed by time. However this may be, varying accounts of the burial of these gods are found in most writers by reason of the fact that the priests, having received the exact facts about p91these matters as a secret not to be divulged, are unwilling to give out the truth to the public, on the ground that perils overhang any men who disclose to the common crowd the secret knowledge about these gods.

28 Now the Egyptians say that also after these events a great number of colonies were spread from Egypt over all the inhabited world. To Babylon, for instance, colonists were led by Belus, who was held to be the son of Poseidon and Libya; and after establishing himself on the Euphrates river he appointed priests, called Chaldaeans by the Babylonians, who were exempt from taxation and free from every kind of service to the state, as are the priests of Egypt;61 and they also make observations of the stars, following the example of the Egyptian priests, physicists, and astrologers. 2 They say also that those who set forth with Danaus, likewise from Egypt, settled what is practically the oldest city in Greece, Argos, and that the nation of the Colchi in Pontus and that of the Jews, which lies between Arabia and Syria, were founded as colonies by certain emigrants from their country; 3 and this is the reason why it is a long-established institution among these two peoples to circumcise their male children, the custom having been brought over from Egypt. 4 Even the Athenians, they say, are colonists from Saïs in Egypt, and they undertake to offer proofs of such a relationship; for the Athenians are the only Greeks who call their city "Asty," a name brought over from the city Asty in Egypt."


Plato's Critias;

Quote
Near the plain again, and also in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side.

In this mountain there dwelt one of the earth born primeval men of that country, whose name was Evenor, and he had a wife named Leucippe, and they had an only daughter who was called Cleito."


We are all Atlanteans.


 



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 14, 2010, 07:45:31 pm
__________________________________.111.[R].A Primer on Origins.[R].111.

Zodiac = 12 x 2160 years = 25,920 year voyage around the Sun.
23,908.bC – 2012.aD, Aquarius
Or;
13 x 2000 = 26,000 years
First Missing Constellation = Royal Crown of Mn
(5 stars form an M or Crown 90 degrees west and overhead of the Big Dipper when low on the Horizon.)
(Jesus + 12 disciples = 13)

(IMN > JMN > AMUN/AMON/AMEN > I-AM = JA_MN = Creator God)

8 Creation Gods – Ogdoad___18,190,000,000.bC____6,519,713,262.bC

Amen___Amaunet___Creation (Min)
Kau____Kauket____infinite darkness (Erebus and Nyx – darkness / void)
Hah_____Hauhet____empty space (Chaos and Mist – order / disorder)
Nun____Naunet____primordial seas (Astraeus and Astrea – Universe / Stars)

12 Greater Gods
Atum (Helius)_________23,332.bC____8,363.bC_ (D.S. Bk I:26)
Ouranos and Gaia (from Amen)
Oceanus and Tethys (from Nun)
Thoth (Hermes)
Neith (Athena)
Sokar
Hathor
Ptah (Hephaestus / Vulcan)
Buto (Leto)
Harsaphes (Hercules)___17,570.bC____6,297.bC

(Atlantean, Evanor, Greek, Ouranos, Berber, Euanor, Egyptian, Iry-Ny-Hor, Phoenician, Uranus, Arabian, Alilat, Sumerian, Anu,)

9 Lesser Gods, Ennead
Shu______Tefnut
Geb______Nut
Osiris (Dionysus)__Isis (Demeter)___15,570.bC___5,581.bC
Set (Typhon)_____Nephthys
Oros (Horus / Apollo)

Spirits________Anubis (Hades)

400_29 Kings “other”___13,859.bC___4,967.bC

371_30 Memphite Kings_12,893.bC___4,621.bC

Egyptian Calendar_________________4,241.bC

341_First King________11,893.bC___4,262.bC
(10 missing Thinis kings prior Menes, Turin list, Palermo Stone, Narmer Palette)

331_King Menes______11,559.bC*___4,143.bC^

Amasis II_____________570.bC
Psammeticus III________526.bC__last King

Herodotus_____________440.bC

*3 generations = 100 years
331 / 3 = 110.33 gen. x 100 = 11,033 + 526 = 11,559
^2.79 conversion from Herodotus to modern Egyptian lists

Herodotus - 341 kings (331 to Menes)
Manetho - 330 kings
Turin  Canon – 245 kings from Menes to the 17th Dynasty ca.1600.bC
Current modern lists 220-240 kings (psammeticus III to Menes = 526-3200.bC)
Turin Kings lists 227 name place marks from the 1st to the 17th Dynasties ca1600.bC.
(Many missing or lost / erased names)

Clearly you can see that our modern Egyptian kings list is incorrect and that I am of opinion that the list was purposely shortened to compliment the “masoretic hebrew bible and the “Mesopotamian fantasy”. Herodotus witnessed 345 wooden statues of generations counted in front of him by an Egyptian priest. On the “minimum” lesser side of 10.96 years average reign x 331 kings to Menes we arrive at 3628 + 526 = 4154.bC. There’s no doubt that the Egyptian king’s lists was well beyond 300 kings and that modern Egyptologist “historians” have reduced the lists by nearly half! A list that is a minimum of 1,500 years older than the Sumerians and compliments the Egyptian calendar ca.4241.bC and can also be substantiated to 5,000.bC. And you wonder why things get “broken or lost”. There’s no doubt in my mind that Menes should be around 4,200.bC!  The strange thing is that on the one hand Herodotus correctly mentions the years of the Trojan war, or Homer or the Phoenician and Thasian Hercules, but yet maintains 17,000 years for the Egyptian Hercules. Thus the chronologies above contain a maximum and minimum dates. A record that the Palermo Stone would provenance, if they didn’t break it! To be or not to be?

2nd column = 14_not listed 11
3rd column = 24__________1 
4th column = 22__________4
5th column = 21__________4
6th column = 24__________3
7th column = 23
8th column = 27
9th column = 31
10th column = 25_________4
11th column = 16_________1

Total_____ = 227_______28____= 255 Kings + 30 = 285.

Eusebius' list corrected;

Gods_____________________Ptah
Demi Gods________________Horus
Shades and Demi Gods_____Spirits
other kings________________mythical kings
30 memphite kings_________mythical kings
10 Thinis kings
Menes


Turin King list

I,x - I,21: Ptah and the Great Ennead
I,22 - II,3 : Horus and the Lesser Ennead
II,4 - II,8 : the spirits
II,9 : a mythical group of kings (30 memphite kings;Eusebius)
II,10 : another group of mythical kings (10 Thinis Kings;Eusebius)
II,11 - Menes 

The list should then be;

I:____1-8;___Gods________Ogdoad__ 8
I:___9-17;___Demi Gods___Ennead____9
I:__18-29;___Spirits_______________12

II:__1-29;___mythical kings_______400 (29?)

III:_1-30;___30 memphite kings____371

IV:__1-10;___10 thinis kings______341
IV:____11;___Menes________________331


400 / 3 = 133 gen x 100 = 13,300 years + 526 = 13,826.bC

Greek________________Roman

Aphrodite_____________Venus
Apollo________________Apollo
Ares_________________Mars
Artemis_______________Diana
Athena_______________Minerva
Demeter______________Ceres
Dionysus______________Liber
Hephaestus____________Vulcan
Hera_________________Juno
Hermes_______________Mercury
Poseidon______________Neptune
Zeus_________________Jupiter (Jove)

“Together the Ogdoad Gods built an island (ATLANTIS) in the middle (Atlantic Ocean) of the vast emptiness and the egg that was placed upon it.
From this egg, the sun god Atum was born, and he began the process of creating the world while the others withdrew.”

The Atlanteans built their city where they "first saw the light"…Plato; Critias.

DEUKALION-APOLLO-MAIA > A I AM OLLO PA NO ILA KU ED > AS I AM LOOK TO OUR ISLAND THAT I GAVE YOU > ATLANTIS.

Egyptian risen primordial mound of creation = TATENEN = ATLANTIS = Risen Fatherland or God's Risen Earthland.

Western = imnty = God's land from the west of Egypt = imn > Amun > JA MN

Khenti Amenti = Foremost of the westerners
 
Egyptian_________H-at____nt_r_iw (Ha.t ntr iw = foremost of God's island = At-lant-is.)
Greek /english_______At_la_nt___is (became feminine, foremost of Neith's Island, Ha.t nt iw)

The word Atlantis broken up into syllables Aa-ta-la-na-ta-ia-sa and translated from the 50,000 year old Basque language.
Translation by Riven;

”The main evergreen forest is born a joyous miracle at dawn, the abundant monument increases to unite the future arrival and remain loyal to the Secret of Creation.”
references;

Egyptian Dynasties;
An introduction to the history and culture of Pharaonic Egypt;
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/dynasties.htm

Turin Kings list Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin_King_List

Herodotus Histories; English translation: G. C. Macaulay, (pub. Macmillan, London and NY) [1890]
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/hh/index.htm

Book II Euterpe:
43. In fact however Heracles is a very ancient Egyptian god; and (as they say themselves) it is seventeen thousand years to the beginning of the reign of Amasis from the time when the twelve gods, of whom they count that Heracles is one, were begotten of the eight gods.

100. "After this man (Menes) the priests enumerated to me from a papyrus roll the names of other kings, three hundred and thirty in number; and in all these generations of men eighteen were Ethiopians, one was a woman, a native Egyptian, and the rest were men and of Egyptian race: and the name of the woman who reigned was the same as that of the Babylonian queen, namely Nitocris."

142. "So far in the story the Egyptians and the priests were they who made the report, declaring that from the first king down to this priest of Hephaistos who reigned last, there had been three hundred and forty-one generations of men, and that in them there had been the same number of chief-priests and of kings: but three hundred generations of men are equal to ten thousand years, for a hundred years is three generations of men; and in the one-and-forty generations which remain, those I mean which were added to the three hundred, there are one thousand three hundred and forty years. Thus in the period of eleven thousand three hundred and forty years they said that there had arisen no god in human form; nor even before that time or afterwards among the remaining kings who arose in Egypt, did they report that anything of that kind had come to pass. In this time they said that the sun had moved four times from his accustomed place of rising, and where he now sets he had thence twice had his rising, and in the place from whence he now rises he had twice had his setting; and in the meantime nothing in Egypt had been changed from its usual state, neither that which comes from the earth nor that which comes to them from the river nor that which concerns diseases or deaths."

143. “They (Priests) led me into the sanctuary of the temple, which is of great size, and they counted up the number, showing colossal wooden statues in number the same as they said; for each chief-priest there sets up in his lifetime an image of himself: accordingly the priests, counting and showing me these, declared to me that each one of them was a son succeeding his own father, and they went up through the series of images from the image of the one who had died last, until they had declared this of the whole number.”

…”until they had declared this of the whole three hundred and forty-five statues,”

145. "Among the Hellenes Heracles and Dionysos and Pan are accounted the latest-born of the gods; but with the Egyptians Pan is a very ancient god, and he is one of those which are called the eight gods, while Heracles is of the second rank, who are called the twelve gods, and Dionysos is of the third rank, namely of those who were born of the twelve gods. Now as to Heracles I have shown already how many years old he is according to the Egyptians themselves, reckoning down to the reign of Amasis, and Pan is said to have existed for yet more years than these, and Dionysos for the smallest number of years as compared with the others; and even for this last they reckon down to the reign of Amasis fifteen thousand years."


The Library of History of Diodorus Siculus;
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/home.html

Book I:
26 "The priests of the Egyptians, reckoning the time from the reign of Helius to the crossing of Alexander into Asia, say that it was in round numbers twenty-three thousand years."

Eusebius: Chronicle
- pages 131-189
http://www.attalus.org/translate/eusebius1.html

page 133;
“And now it is right and fitting for us to add to this Manetho's account of the Egyptians, which seems to be a reliable history.From the Egyptian records of Manetho, who composed in three books commentaries about the gods, demi-gods, spirits, and the mortal kings who ruled over the Egyptians, up until the time of Dareius the king of the Persians. The first man amongst the Egyptians was Hephaestus, who discovered fire for them; he was the father of Sol [the Sun]. After him came [(?)Agathodaemon; then] Cronus; then Osiris; then Typhon the brother of Osiris; and then Horus the son of Osiris and Isis. These were the first rulers of the Egyptians. [p135] After them, one king succeeded another until the time of Bidis, for a total of 13,900 years - calculated by lunar years, which lasted for 30 days. That is the period which we now call a month, but the men of that time called it a year. After the gods, a race of demi-gods ruled for 1,255 years. After them, other kings ruled [the country] for 1,817 years. After them, 30 kings from Memphis [ruled] for 1,790 years; and then another ten kings from Thinis ruled for 350 years. And then the shades and demi-gods were kings, for 5,813 years. The total for all of these is 11,000 years - which are lunar years, or months.The total time, which the Egyptians assign to the gods and demi-gods and spirits is 24,900 lunar years - which is the equivalent of 2,206 solar years.”

THEOI Greek Mythology
http://www.theoi.com/

Tribes of Atlantis website; https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/

Paulo Riven (AeJor_Mn)
Sword of Avila
8492.aJA_MN

Pray with our Creator JA_MN
Worship No Stone
Command No Death
Love Thy Neighbor
Preserve Our Histories

Sunday, February 14, 2010




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 16, 2010, 03:11:09 am


_____Uranus______Titaea (Gaia)
...........………...|
45 Sons_______|______Basileia then Rhea(Pandora)
…|...............………………...|
Atlas..……….Cronus..…..….|
__|____________|_____Helius and Selene (from her brother Hyperion)
…|........………....|
Hesperus.(son)__|______Maea, Electra, Taygete, Sterope, Merope, Halcyone and Celaeno
...........…………..|…………......|
...........…………..|.……..Hermes(Thoth)..from Zeus*(Jove,king of Crete,brother of Uranus,)
........………….....|..........................|
..........…...Zeus(Olympian)...............|
...........……...|.........................10 Sons (Curetes) from Idaea(Juno),Jove's wife.
...........……...|..........……………………..............|
______Greece,Phrygia,Phoenicia______Libya,Italy,Egypt,Arabia,Sumeria
..........……………...|..………....................................|
..........……..Zeus gains control merger with Egypt = Zeus Ammon.
............…………….......................|
.............…….......Battle of The Titans > Atlantean War?


Those people were all mortals whose names were preserved by placing them amongst the stars.

Atlantean Uranus common Father of ALL NATIONS = Umans.

Atlantis;Evanor/Libya;Euanor/Egypt;Iryny-Hor/Greece,Phrygia,Phoenicia;Uranus/Arabia;Alilat/Sumeria;Anu

*Uranus' brother would have been named Jove or Jupiter and not Zeus.

Uranus-Evanor_____Leucippe-Titaea
Basileia-Cleito? (She raised Uranus' sons, Great Mother=Cybele=Neith=Maat)
Atlas
Cronos-Gadeiros


Atlanteans by Diodorus Siculus;Book III

Genesis of The Gods originated in Atlantis.

First King;

Uranus (Evanor / Euanor / Ouranos )
First Lawgiver/ Teacher
Agriculture, Astrology
Introduced the Solar year,lunar months and Seasons
Deified as a God and King of the Universe

45 Sons from various wives including 18 sons(Titans)from Titaea.
Titaea deified as a Goddess and called Ge (Gaia)

2 Daughters. Basileia then Rhea(Pandora)
Basileia raised all her brothers earning her the title "Great Mother".

Basileia became the Royal Dignity and married her brother Hyperion so as to leave heirs to the throne.

Basileia has 2 children Helius and Selene.

Envious brothers slew Hyperion and drowned Helius as a child in the Eridanus river. Selene threw herself down from a roof.

Basileia,searching in grief for her son Helius, experiences a divination of Helius' spirit telling her not to mourn and the Titans would be punished.

Helius deified as the Sun and Selene the Moon.

Basileia wondered the lands banging kettledrums and cymbals (her children's playthings) and was much pitied by crowds, when during a storm she vanished and her and her children were placed among the stars like Uranus.

Basileia also known as Cybele to the Phrygians who have their own version with Meion and Dindyme, king of Phrygia and Lydia who left Basileia on Mt.Cybelus where she was suckled by wild beasts. Cybele later had a child with Attis.

The kingdom was then divided amongst the sons of Uranus, mainly Atlas and Cronus.

Atlas retained the Atlantean coast, calling the people Atlanteans and giving the name to Mt.Atlas after him. He was also an Astrologer and first to publish the doctrine of the sphere which earned him the title of bearing the world on his shoulders.

Numerous sons born to Atlas of whom the most distinguished was Hesperus who climbed Mt.Atlas and was said to have been taken away by the wind.Brightest of the Stars were named after him.

Atlas also had seven daughters called Atlantides, namely;
Maea, Electra, Taygete, Sterope, Merope, Halcyone and Celaeno. (later deified and placed among the stars as the Pleiades)

These daughters lay with the most renowned heroes and gods resulting in the largest part of the human race.

Maea and Zeus bore Hermes.

"Atlantides also gave birth to renowned children, who became the founders in some instances of nations in other cases of cities. 5 Consequently, not only among certain barbarians but among the Greeks as well, the great majority of the most ancient heroes trace their descent back to the Atlantides. These daughters were also distinguished for their chastity and after their death attained to immortal honour among men, by whom they were both enthroned in the heavens and endowed with the appellation of Pleiades.32 The Atlantides were also called "nymphs" because the natives of that land addressed their women by the common appellation of "nymph."

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61 Cronus, the brother of Atlas, the myth continues, who was a man notorious for his impiety and greed, married his sister Rhea, by whom he begat that Zeus who was later called "the Olympian." But there had been also another Zeus, the brother of Uranus p283and a king of Crete, who, however, was far less famous than the Zeus who was born at a later time.34 2 Now the latter was king over the entire world, whereas the earlier Zeus, who was lord of the above-mentioned island, begat ten sons who were given the name of Curetes; and the island he named after his wife Idaea, and on it he died and was buried, and the place which received his grave is pointed out to our day. 3 The Cretans, however, have a myth which does not agree with the story given above, and we shall give a detailed account of it when we speak of Crete.35 Cronus, they say, was lord of Sicily and Libya, and Italy as well, and, in a word, established his kingdom over the regions to the west; and everywhere he occupied with garrisons the commanding hills and the strongholds of the regions, this being the reason why both throughout Sicily and the parts which incline towards the west many of the lofty places are called to this day after him "Cronia."

4 Zeus, however, the son of Cronus, emulated a manner of life the opposite of that led by his father, and since he showed himself honourable and friendly to all, the masses addressed him as "father." As for his succession to the kingly power, some say that his father yielded it to him of his own accord, but others state that he was chosen as king by the masses because of the hatred they bore towards his father, and that when Cronus made war against him with the aid of the Titans, Zeus overcame him in battle, and on gaining supreme power visited all the inhabited world, conferring benefactions upon the p285race of men. 5 He was pre-eminent also in bodily strength and in all the other qualities of virtue and for this reason quickly became master of the entire world. And in general he showed all zeal to punish impious and wicked men and to show kindness to the masses. 6 In return for all this, after he had passed from among men he was given the name of Zên,36 because he was the cause of right "living" among men, and those who had received his favours showed him honour by enthroning him in the heavens, all men eagerly acclaiming him as god and lord for ever of the whole universe.

"These, then, are in summary the facts regarding the teachings of the Atlantians about the gods."

"This Dionysius, nicknamed Skytobrachion, "of the leathern arm," lived in Alexandria in the middle of the second century B.C. and composed a mythical romance from which Diodorus drew the following account of the Amazons and his description of the Atlanteans (cc. 56, 57, 60, 61), of the Dionysus born in Libya (cc. 66.4‑73.8), and of the Argonauts (Book 4.40‑55)."

(Book V, continued)
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p145 19 But now that we have discussed what relates to the islands which lie within the Pillars of Heracles, we shall give an account of those which are in the ocean. For there lies out in the deep off Libya an island1 of considerable size, and situated as it is in the ocean it is distant from Libya a voyage of a number of days to the west. Its land is fruitful, p147much of it being mountainous and not a little being a level plain of surpassing beauty. 2 Through it flow navigable rivers which are used for irrigation, and the island contains many parks planted with trees of every variety and gardens in great multitudes which are traversed by streams of sweet water; on it also are private villas of costly construction, and throughout the gardens banqueting houses have been constructed in a setting of flowers, and in them the inhabitants pass their time during the summer season, since the land supplies in abundance everything which contributes to enjoyment and luxury. 3 The mountainous part of the island is covered with dense thickets of great extent and with fruit-trees of every variety, and, inviting men to life among the mountains, it has cozy glens and springs in great number. In a word, this island is well supplied with springs of sweet water which not only makes the use of it enjoyable for those who pass their life there but also contribute to the health and vigour of their bodies. 4 There is also excellent hunting of every manner of beast and wild animal, and the inhabitants, being well supplied with this game at their feasts, lack of nothing which pertains to luxury and extravagance; for in fact the sea which washes the shore of the island contains a multitude of fish, since the character of the ocean is such that it abounds throughout its extent with fish of every variety. 5 And, speaking generally, the climate of the island is so altogether mild that it produces in abundance the fruits of the trees and the other seasonal fruits for the larger part of the year, so that it would appear that the island, because of its exceptional felicity, were a dwelling-place of a race of gods and not of men.

The last paragraph provides ample evidence that is strongely comparitive to the island of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean as mentioned by Plato's preservation in Timaeus and Critias.It also clarifies that Atlantis would have been a few days journey past the pillars and westward towards my location at the Josephine/Torre Seamounts when they were above water, some 400 miles past and in front or before the pillars of Hercules at undeniably,Gibraltar straite.
Not that the island mentioned by Diodorus Siculus is Atlantis, but clearly a remnant of the larger Atlantis island and perhaps he is referring to Madeira island first and the Canary islands second choice, which was made known by the Phoenicians upon settling Gades, Spain ca 1100.bC.

We are All Atlanteans. Follow the Ouranos trail from the West as recorded by Egypt.

In the Egyptian Am-Duat or the Sun’s Journey, the lands west of Egypt were called ironically…Uranes on the way to Khenti-Amenti or Atlantis. J

Paulo Riven
Tribes of Atlantis

Source;Diodorus Siculus at Lacus Curtius
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3D*.html#ref7


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 19, 2010, 06:04:30 am
Book II Euterpe

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142. "So far in the story the Egyptians and the priests were they who made the report, declaring that from the first king down to this priest of Hephaistos who reigned last, there had been three hundred and forty-one generations of men, and that in them there had been the same number of chief-priests and of kings: but three hundred generations of men are equal to ten thousand years, for a hundred years is three generations of men; and in the one-and-forty generations which remain, those I mean which were added to the three hundred, there are one thousand three hundred and forty years. Thus in the period of eleven thousand three hundred and forty years they said that there had arisen no god in human form; nor even before that time or afterwards among the remaining kings who arose in Egypt, did they report that anything"

The History of Herodotus,tr. G. C. Macaulay, [1890], at sacred-texts.com

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/hh/hh2140.htm

3 generations = 100 years

According to Herodotus writing ca.440.bC and prior to Plato 360.bC, 341 generations of men = 11,340 years from the first king (10 + Menes = 3500.bC) to Psammeticus III.(526.bC)

Herodotus explains to us that the Egyptian priest and himself calculated the years by generations.

Either the Egyptian Priest would have had to remembered an exact number of years according to a record of kings reigns, biennial (twice yearly) cattle counts, seasonal years @ 3,or lunar months to claim 11,000 plus years, or he could simply remember the number of kings and opt for the generational theory of 3 per hundred. We are not told about any of the former, but we are told that the Egyptian priest counted 345 statues in front of Herodotus. So the generational theory was the simplest method of determination. Like us, I doubt that the priests in that era of 440.bC could say for certain what the actual yearly reigns of the kings were, but they could account for the number of kings.

As we will see, Plato obviously is using the same strategy as Herodotus when he writes that Solon recorded 9000 years and 8000 years prior to Amasis II.ca.570.bC.

Bear in mind that Solon was almost 200 years before Herodotus that explains the lesser number of years and kings. If Herodotus was the one to hear about the Atlantis legend like Solon, he would have told us 11,000 years prior.

Pay close attention to Plato's writings;

From Timaeus;

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"On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened."

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"As for those genealogies of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children."

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"And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word."


Phoroneus = 1800.bC
Deucalion flood = ca.1500.bC

It's crystal clear that Solon computed the years according to generations and no mention of Atlantis up to 1800.bC.
Solon was one of the 7 Wise Men for his era around the Mediterranean!

Plato's dialogues, Timaeus and Critias only relates that the records could be viewed in the Sacred Registers that were probably in the Temple of Neith, either in Papyrus or Hieroglyphic inscribed walls. There is no detailed account as to the years other than generations as being the "common factor" of both Plato and Herodotus.

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"She founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and afterwards she founded ours, of which the constitution is recorded in our sacred registers to be eight thousand years old."

Herodotus also told us that the Egyptian priests collected wooden statues that should also have been available for Uadjahor Resne to show to Solon, aside from papyrus scrolls or inscribed walls.

Critias;

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"All these and their descendants for many generations were the inhabitants and rulers of divers islands in the open sea; and also, as has been already said, they held sway in our direction over the country within the Pillars as far as Egypt and Tyrrhenia.
Now Atlas had a numerous and honorable family, and they retained the kingdom, the eldest son handing it on to his eldest for many generations;"

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/plato-s-truth


As you can see, we are left with no choice than to accept the "common factor" that the years are being related according to generations.

We know that the Atlantean era is being told during a 9000-year span and that it is also before Phoroneus and Poseidon built the concentric circles on the Atlantean island before Ships and voyages were even heard of which predates 3000.bC.

One thing we can be certain of is that there were at least 341 kings recorded for Egypt and to base the records in Egypt as "ideal generations" of 30 years each is an overshot at best when our archaeological records show us that they were computed by kings reigns that are difficult to compile for us today as it would have been in Solon's, Herodotus' and Plato's time.


Menes = 331 + 10 prior Lower Egyptian Kings of the Maerea province (not Thinis) = 341 kings.

341 / 3 = 113.67 gen x 100yrs = 11,367 + 526 = 11,893.bC

modern records account for some 220 plus kings from Menes to Psammeticus III.

modern = Menes-3200.bC - 526 = 2,674yrs / 220 = 12.15 years per king.

Turin Canon = 244 from Menes to the 17th dynasty ca.1600.bC

1600.bC - 526.bC = 1074 years missing where 10 kings = 300 years = 35.8 kings + 244 = 279.8 adjusted.

(10 kings = 25 year generations and 75 year lifespan each, 25 x 9 = 225 + 75 = 300)

2,674 / 280 = 9.6 years each, Turin Canon
2,674 / 331 = 8.1 years each, Herodotus.

Herodotus reported at 440.bC 331 kings from Menes to Psammeticus as did Manetho 330.

331 - 244 = 87 missing kings for the Turin Canon. (plus 10 prior = 97)

Minimum = 341 x 12.15 year average = 4143.15 + 526 = 4669.15.bC or 4547.65.bC for Menes (331)!

Maximum at 25 year generations and 75 year lifespan = 340 x 25 = 8500 + 75 = 8575.bC!

8570.bC was exactly what Solon stated for Egypt being founded as 8000 years prior himself!

Herodotus also told us that Solon stated 75 years for the average lifespan!

This seems to confirm that Solon accounted for around 340 kings @ 570.bC just like Herodotus 130 years later!(+/- 10 kings)

As I stated before, the problem lies in knowing the exact length of king’s reigns where we can clearly see a minimum of 4200.bC for Menes!

Keep in mind that I had already claimed 885 missing years due to the mystical date of Dec.10th, 3474.bC for Philitis The Shepherd!

Egyptian Calendar - 4241.bC

Clearly shows us how our "conformed" historians blatantly lie in the face of evidence where their excuse will be to discredit the ancestors.

Psycho Sitchens....woo woo anunnaki for those from heaven to earth fell.

So it is they fell from their lies.

No wonder Socrates called them "Broadarses who study the Heavens"! J















 










Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 22, 2010, 03:08:19 pm
The kings of the Assyrians
36 kings 1240 yrs
 
The kings of the Medes
8 kings – 298 yrs.

The kings of the Lydians
9 kings – 320 yrs

The kings of the Persians
11 kings – 226 yrs

Moses - Solomon (until the building of the temple) – 17 kings – 480 yrs
Solomon - Mattaniah, also called Zedekiah – 21 kings – 432 yrs 

sicyon - 26 kgs - 959 yrs

argos 14 - 544 yrs

athens 29 - 780 yrs (Cecrops to 1st Olympiad 776.bC

corinth 12 kings 328 yrs

spartans - 15 kings - 615 yrs

macedonia - 24 kings - 475 yrs

asia and syria - Antigonus - Philippus - 19 - 274yrs

rome 22 kings - 675 yrs

Total – 263 kings = 7,646 yrs = 29 years per king

Egypt - Manetho
book I - 192 kings - 2300yrs
2nd book - 92 k - 2121 yrs
20 – 26 --37 kings – 626 yrs

321 –kings – 5047 yrs, Menes - Psammeticus 526.bc = 16 years per king

Total All – 584 kings and 12,693yrs = 22 years per king

Source; Eusebius Chronicles.

http://www.attalus.org/translate/eusebius.html

Herodotus – Menes – Psammeticus = 331 kings x 33.33 = 11,032 years

Grand Total; 915 kings and 23,725 = 26 years per king.

Therefore as Solon stated, 75 years is the average lifespan of a man, and 25 years would be the average generation that we can realize from the above data.

10 kings = 9 x 25 = 225 + 75 = 300 years.

10 kings = 300 years

Whereas a count of 331 kings from Menes to Psammeticus is a span of 8,325 years plus 526.bC = 8,851.bC for Menes.

In Plato’s Timaeus and Critias dialogues, the Egyptian Priest, Uadjahor-Resne, stated that Egypt was founded 8,000 years prior to himself or Amasis II @ 570.bC = 8570.bC.

Exactly what we can perceive from the above kings lists.

Modern Egyptian kings list, Menes to Psammeticus = 3200.bC-526 = 2,674 yrs @ 220 kings = 12 years per king.

8,325 / 2,674 = 3 or 1/3rd
Average = 5500 + 526 = 6,026.bC for Menes.

Redemption for Plato, Herodotus and Manetho?

Ridicule for Zawi Hawass and Egyptologists who suppress Egypt’s histories?

Are we back at my original flood date of 6482.bC and re-creation @ 6435.bC?

Evermore, 25 years should be used for generations and Kings lists.

Paulo Riven
Tribes of Atlantis






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 22, 2010, 11:40:26 pm
The great realization is that all the cultures around the Mediterranean,including Phoenicia,Egypt and even to the Sumerians of the Euphrates valley all shared the same King.

Namely Ouranos(Uranos) who is the father of Atlas and Cronos(Gadeiros)and originated from the Atlantic Ocean as the daughters of Atlas or the Atlantides also clearly identify to  women from the Atlantic Ocean.

Ouranos is obviously Evanor(Euanor)the first King of the island of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean.

However we must also be careful to understand that Evanor was "one of the earthborn primeval men" which identifies to the island of Atlantis being older to a maximum 150 million years,although even far older when we consider it a central piece of land that broke off into an island from Pangea.

So the identification of Evanor is when the Royal City was first forming.

From Atlantis, all the Gods and Goddesses came into being where Leucippe,Cleito and the Atlantides or daughters of Atlas were the source for the other cultures like Neith,Athena,Maat,Isis,Ishtar,Cybele,Diana,Demeter,etc.

Not to forget Rhea who is said to have been the wife of Cronos who portrays Gadeiros as a brother to Atlas.

In regards to Noah and his sons,the one who most closely identifies to Atlas is Japeth who relates to Iapetus (Japetus) of the Greek myths and Japeth also had a son named Javan who is identified with the mediterranean islands.

In the greek myths,Iapetus and Clymene are portrayed as parents to Atlas,Menoiteus,Prometheus and Epimetheus that also identify to twins like Apollo and Artemis or Agamemnon and Menelaus.

The sinking or final destruction of the Atlantean island also identifies to the time before the Biblical flood and as a result of that flood.

If we suggest that Noah's ark originated from Atlantis island due to the foreseen destruction, then we would be saying that the wives of Noah and his sons are Atlantides also just like the men would be children of Oceanus or Ouranos.

We can also realize that Greece,Phrygia,Phoenicia and Egypt once belonged to the Kingdom of Atlantis and revolted for their own independence and new theologies as I always maintained.

The Phaecians like the Pelasgians were also children of Ouranos.

The further you are from the truth of your origins the closer you are to a great lie.

Which is why languages and racetypes changed as they left Atlantis.

"One day, "Oannes" the fishman appeared to the Sumerians,taught them everything they know and went back into the Sea."



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 26, 2010, 06:11:50 am
Here's a new picture to help people understand the two letters of God's name JA Mn on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo from my January 2006 photo from Google Earth.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Ja_Great_Pyramid_Cairo.bmp)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on February 26, 2010, 01:34:26 pm
Hi Paulo
I was curious as to where you got the idea that ancient gods had a first and last name.  Your last post here has intrigued me so I inquired of a friend who is, shall we say, extremely familiar with all things Egyptian, if what you're saying fits with orthodox Egyptian history.  Here's his reply.

Hi, Qoais

This Paulo Riven is quite an entertaining character, isn't he? To start, here (https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Ja_Great_Pyramid_Cairo.bmp) is that graphic he posted. Most of the information in that post is fundamentally flawed. There is no letter "A" in any Egyptian script. What he's calling an "A" is a depiction of a plough-like device. In the stela he shows which displays the name of Queen Merneith, the glyph is simply rotated 90 degrees, probably due to space constraints. Underneath the photo of the stela he shows the hieroglyphic spelling for the word "love," and you can see the glyph in question at top-left, shown in its usual sideways position.

Paulo Riven perhaps knows all of this to be true because he correctly identifies the sound value for the plough as mr, so I don't know where he's coming up with his "A" idea. It's shape has absolutely nothing to do with any letter in a Western alphabet, of course. I also have no idea where he gets the "Mn" as "Ja's" last name because there was no such thing as last names in those days. Neither gods nor men had them. The name of the god Amun means "Hidden One" and is transliterated in Manuel de Codage as Imn or aImn. Riven is correct that we can spell it as Amen, Amun, or Amon, but that's only because we really don't know how the vowels worked in the original name--hieroglyphs preserve numerous weak consonants but no vowels.

Moreover, we cannot identify a single "first god" of Egypt, although it's true that Min, a fertility god from Middle Egypt, was one of the oldest. It's not true that Amun was one of the oldest, however. I'm at work right now and do not have access to my library, so if you prefer it I can provide academic citations for this when I get home. For now, though, I believe there is no certain proof for wide veneration of the god Amun prior to Dynasty 11 (beginning c. 1991 BCE), at the start of the Middle Kingdom.

Some faint scratch marks on the Great Pyramid do not prove anything, of course. Riven is seeing significance where it's unlikely there is any. The marks as he identifies them do not spell anything in hieroglyphs. The Great Pyramid dates to the reign of Khufu (2589-2566 BCE) in Dynasty 4, long before the earliest attestation for the veneration of Amun. Now, Amun first appears as a primeval deity in the Pyramid Texts, beginning in Dynasty 5, but he was not a significant state deity in Egypt even at that time. Again, that didn't happen until around Dynasty 11--and in Thebes, not Giza.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on February 28, 2010, 12:51:30 am
Exodus 3:13


13 Moses said to God: Lo, I shall go to the children of Israel, and say to them: The God of your fathers has sent me to you. If they shall say to me: What is his name? What shall I say to them?

14 God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shall you say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, has sent me to you.

..................I AM......................

Does ya-howeh or el-ohim mean I AM?

No, they mean "God who will become" and "God the powerful of many".
They can also be used as a title for "Lord" which in truth has no significance to God,for many were also titled Lords such as Pharaohs, landowners, demi-gods, fathers, etc.

Clearly yahoweh is not God, but a "disguised god".

The bible contains pieces of truths and lies and how you gather those pieces reveals your truths and beliefs.

The bible was focused towards the truths and beliefs of the Hebrews and Babylonians, but was it every other nations truths and beliefs? No.

Therefore as the name yahoweh also portrays among many other relations in the Hebrew language itself that we can make of the word howeh such as ruin, disaster, goat, shovel, failure, to fall, female, etc, we also know that it can mean vanity, which is clearly portrayed by yahoweh as a selfish and bloodthirsty "disguised god" of the bible that was manufactured by a selfish and bloodthirsty nation.

Now yahoweh also claims that he is the god of Abra-H-am whereupon in the new testament of John chapter 8, Jesus tells them that their father abraham did not bear testimony to God and that they are of the devil and liars and murderers.

Thus yahoweh was satan in disguise who mislead the hebrews and branded them with an evil star and the evil zionist name of israel the demon razael in disguise also and like Abraam became Abra-H-am, so too were the ebrew branded H-ebrews with the letter H just like yahoweh or elohim.

Jesus also "started" off sentences with the words "Amen, Amen" in opposition to our understanding to say Amen at the end of a sentence or our prayers.

Why would that be?
Why did they not understand whom Jesus' Father IS?

We are provided with two fundamental and sound clues.


.................I AM......and......AMEN..................

I AM is composed of three letters, I-A-M.
I = J = Y therefore IA..JA...YA = GOD.......or IAO,IAH / JAO,JAH / YAO,YAH all mean JA or GOD.


14 Dixit Deus ad Moysen : Ego sum qui sum. Ait : Sic dices filiis Israël : Qui est, misit me ad vos.

14 καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν καὶ εἶπεν οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ ὁ ὢν ἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς

14 God said to Moses: I AM WHO I AM. He said: Thus shall you say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, has sent me to you.

Hebrew Transliterated
3:14 VY'aMUr 'aLHYM 'aL-MShH 'aHYH 'aShUr 'aHYH VY'aMUr KH Th'aMUr LBNY YShUr'aL 'aHYH ShLChNY 'aLYKM.

Commonly and originally when they addressed God they used the name ALHYM or elohim. This is how Genesis starts of with "in the beginning God" created, and yahoweh or yhvh simply meant "lord" for where we learn of in Genesis 2:4;

Hebrew Transliterated
2:4 'aLH ThVLDVTh HShMYM VH'aUrTSh BHBUr'aM BYVM 'yShVTh YHVH 'aLHYM 'aUrTSh VShMYM.

Latin Vulgate
2:4 istae generationes caeli et terrae quando creatae sunt in die quo fecit Dominus Deus caelum et terram

King James Version
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

They clearly use yhvh alhym as yahoweh elohim for "LORD GOD". As you can see yhvh meant lord and elohim God.

It is clear from Exodus 3:14 that the hebrew word for I AM or aHYH which God told moses to use for His Name became cleverly and deceptively rearranged to YHVH for lord into a name for God from AHYH. AHYH became YHVH.

Regardless, it is quite clear that we understand that God's name foremost and above all is JA, just as He said I AM and the letters I A identify.
The other puzzle piece is that the letter M is hidden and it is also a proper identification of God's last name from His statement of I AM.

Thus I AM is IA-M or JA-M.

This leads us into discovering what the M stands for and how it relates to Jesus calling His Father AMEN or for us saying AMEN after our prayers.

Because God Said; I AM WHO IS, thus I or IA = JA or God and AM or M = WHO IS. The letter A or identification of existence, such as it portrays a standing person, is the go between the letter I and M in I > A < M

A is the first letter or the number 1, which also means the Risen one or Original one, while Z is the last Letter or the Fallen One or the imitation of one. The branding of H = 8 and Z = 26 = 8 were both of satan's intervention, thus umans became H-umans like Abraam became Abra-H-am and the Ebrews became H-ebrews, or Hittites, Hyksos, Hellenics, ptaH, pharaohs, phanes, ophir, etc, etc and the letter Z is drawn in Linear A by an Egyptian Ankh, but that is another story which has to do of how evil arose through Egypt from Kenya or Khem's land, the burnt or blackened ones, thus Ash for the phoenician Jews.

Therefore God's number is always 1 for there is ONLY 1 God, The Supreme Being or Aeternal Creator. Socrates, Plato and the early Greeks also professed "THE LAW OF ONE" before the bible was even translated.

Realizing that God is 1 and satan is 8, we understand therefore that 9 is the battle of 1 vs 8 just like the pillars of Joab and Boaz or white and black is JA vs Za and the twin Ob harlots. ( J-o-A-b vs b-o-A-Z)

But, let us not get carried away with our enlightened or illuminated wisdom and stray from the path.

So we realize that yahoweh which meant lord was purposely changed from ahyh for I AM and deceitfully used for God's name in replacement also of elohim, which is also not God's name but a title, for we know that God said, I AM, WHO IS.

The beauty of all of this is that from two letters for God's name IA or JA we also have the letter M disguised by the A that concludes the phrase of AM and WHO IS.

The reason for this is because of AM-EN as Jesus also spoke of for His Father's name, although unrealized by the h-Ebrews.

For if we want to learn about truths of our histories, I aver to say that it is neither the h-ebrews or babylon or sumerians or india that we should look to but to Egypt, always, first and foremost. For from there and Europe they all came to be that verifies "out of Africa (Avila disguised as h-Avila-h) and Atlantis or Ouranos (Evanor) who is also the common father of all cultures.

We can also verify from our Sumerian, Mesopotamian or India Sanskrit cultures that JA means Knowledge, father, born, etc and im or M means to be or exist, such as "isms" for the theology of a doctrine or the h-ebrew term of Goy-im for nations of people.

Thus the old saying of Babylons "Mene,Mene,Mene", does not mean to count and count again, but simply "Forget me not for I AM" as witnessed by the king upon the wall.

Also consider that Mneseus is an Atlantean King, Minos a Cretean king, Menestheus an European King and Menes the first king of Egypt. Whereas Min or Mn was also the first God just as AMEN was also the first god as also mentioned by the Egyptian Ogdoad or eight Gods for Amaun,which came before the Ennead and Osiris.

So we realize that MN and AMN also compliment I AM and AMEN which means the "hidden one" for Egyptians.

No doubt as I have shown we understand the meaning of why JA was hidden and why God empowers me to let you know that He wants you to know Him who IS.

Coincidently, IAH was also hidden as a moon god for Egypt when he was replaced by the evil sun worshippers or "Ra" pharaohs around ufu's(khufu) time and the Sun Temples.

Clearly the letter M means to exist just as we also find it in our names of Man, woMan or uMan or even Mind.

The letter M was also portrayed in the Egyptian old kingdom as an agricultural implement which was the phonetic sound for "mr" or mur, but resembled the letter A. Such as Mereneith or mrwt for "Love" which you can see in the picture below.

Therefore the letter A also concealed the letter M in Egyptian, thus I AM WHO IS represented by I AM or JA Mn.

The N comes from the relationship of God, like our Atlantean ancestors or the fermentations of earth in Genesis being the waters of Earth, for we are a water planet. And the Egyptian NUN like Oceanus is also the primordial God associated with Egypt just as Ouranos was also the father of Oceanus. Jesus also relates to water having been born in the time of Pisces, and therefore MN or MIN of Egypt would equate with the God who formed and separated the waters, or in other words, the God Amaun of the Octogoad reflecting AMEN. For the Octogoad from Hermopolis in upper Egypt appeared before the Ennead of Heliopolis (Sun City) whereupon Osiris and Isis came after.

Evermore, as God wants you to know Him and to understand the lies and truths in the bible about Him, he distinctively reminded us that HE WHO IS or I AM is AMEN WHO IS JA MN.

And that is His proper NAME and not a title for you all to correct your errors of His Name which is not yahoweh or elohim or allah or buddha or lord or even God for the matter of assuage by many other Gods and Goddesses but as...

JA MN, the Supreme Creator of All that Is.

And for you to know that He is not this evil God as portrayed in the bible by yahoweh nor did Ja Mn destroy our Earth, thus they confused you and mislead you down the path of corruption for your spirituality for the sake of a bloodthirsty god of whom we know who that was.

For once upon a time of golden ages past, when God’s life force was embedded into everything and everyone, this world was truly a peaceful place where the lion could lay down with the lamb, but then that intervention here wrought corruption upon the minds of men, the animals and even nature itself.

So if you ask why, all that is All loving and pure is of God and all that is malevolent was of that thing, the hermaphrodite harlot of blackened hats. Which is why people are confused and become atheist or write in broken letters like G-d but yet they will write satan without broken letters. Guess we know who they believe in.

If you doubt this and that the letter M is your symbol of existence as uMans, Men and woMen, then look to the night sky when the big dipper is low upon the horizon and find the last star on the handle in line with you.

Then turn 90 degrees west and look straight up over your head to see the giant Letter M or your Royal Crown of 5 stars like the fingers and toes that you have.

That is why HE who IS is You who are from I AM.

Paulo Riven
(AeJor Mn) - SaJa AeJA MN
Sword of Avila

"And His Name will be the Word of God"

Tribes of Atlantis

To Know Is Immortal
Spirence

Pray With JA Mn
Worship no stone
Command No Death
Love Thy Neighbors
Preserve Your Histories

10:15 PM 2/27/2010
8492.aJA

Remember, that God wants you to understand His name as written for our modern times.
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Ja_Great_Pyramid_Cairo.bmp)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza4_Color_enhanced_Riven05.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Atlantis_glyphs_Riven09.jpg)




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 02, 2010, 11:54:51 pm
J is the 10th letter of the Alphabet

10 is a perfect number and our base system

Its name in English (pronounced /ˈdʒeɪ/) is spelled jay.

in Scottish English, where it is often pronounced /ˈdʒaɪ/.[1]

In English J most commonly represents the affricate /dʒ/ (as in jet).

DJET; First Dynasty Egyptian King.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Egypte_louvre_290.jpg)

Djahi, Zahi
Ill defined coastal region in Canaan

Djed pillar, djet pillar (Dd)
Hieroglyph often carried as an amulet, linked to the Osiris myth
"The Djed symbol is a pillar-like ancient Egyptian symbol representing stability. It has

been interpreted as the backbone of the Egyptian god Osiris,

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Djed.svg/200px-Djed.svg.png)

Djehuti, Thoth
1) God of knowledge and wisdom, moon god, identified with Hermes Trismegistus by the

Greeks;
2) Scribe, general and viceroy under Thutmose III

Djet (Dt)
Eternity, continuous and linear as opposed to neheh

Djoser, Zoser
Old Kingdom pharaoh, 3rd dynasty


Now look at this chart of the Linear A alphabet.(also includes a secret message)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/leucippe-s-lux-of-ipse/Azillian_Linear_A_Atlantis_3500bC.gif)

Notice the letter J or JA and the letter M or MA?

The J is reminiscent of the Djed pillar and the M is a pyramid !!

See the "fallen letter Z or Za like Zatan?

It's an Egyptian Ankh !!

Look at Q or Qa, it's a little egg on a pedestal as in "Queen" or breeder.

See the K as in KA or the circle in a cross? KA is the duality or spirit form of our

physical form.

The more you look the more you learn. They are truly fascinating letters.


Is it any wonder JA's name appeared to me on top of the Great Pyramid?


You don't think that people made the "J Sound" eons ago?

Think again ya, ja, ia, I know, yes, yes, knowledge !

Do you understand? Ya I do !

Pardon me, but did you say JA?

Mountains in Africa are "DJENNE" while in Asia (syria,levant,arabia,india) they are

DJANNE.


If you're wondering why I post about JA MN in relation to Atlantis, it's because He may also have been the Atlantean God.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on March 03, 2010, 09:49:07 am
How is it possible, that the way J is sounded in English "jay" or in Danish as a "y" "yust instead of just", or as "ja", has anything at all to do with ancient Egyptian beliefs?

Where the J is, in our alphabet has absolutely nothing to do with ancient Egyptians since they did not have our lettering system.  The symbols you say are on top of the pyramid mean nothing in hieroglyphics.  Therefore, Ja Mn is not the name of any god.  You talk about Amun.   The Great Pyramid dates to the reign of Khufu (2589–2566 BCE) in Dynasty 4, long before the earliest attestation for the veneration of Amun. 


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 03, 2010, 11:49:29 am
Qoasis;

The previous posts should explain all that to you need to know.

The letters appeared to me in 2006.aD,that means a modern SIGN for our modern TIMES. They are not in hieroglyphs,right? The letter J may appear as a little fancy, but the A is quite distinctive.

Don't you think that if God wanted YOU to know something that He would do it in a way YOU would understand?

JA was worshipped by millions before the bible. I had never known this until seeing those two letters.

Did you? Do you think that's coincidence?

Amaun,Amon,Amun,Amen and Min are all the same meaning.

Min is the very first God of Egypt and as posted,the Ogdoad has Amaun, which was prior to the ennead and Khufu's time and Sun temple worship with "Ra,Osiris and Isis".

As for the "J" sound and Egypt,the post above is rather clear.

Thanks Qoasis.

Changing Mainstream Science

Spirence!


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on March 03, 2010, 03:47:53 pm
Hi Paulo
I'm glad you're experiencing your own personal enlightenment, but I think you're changing the facts a bit in your interpretations.  Since people first experienced "consciousness", in other words, recognized that they WERE conscious and could think, they have been in awe of the world around them, and when the realization came that someone or something had to have created the fantastic world they lived in, they seem to have wanted to show their appreciation somehow, and worshipped what they could see, and what they couldn't see, but THOUGHT was there.  Therefore, yes, since man became "conscious" he believed in a "creator" and worshipped it.  Or, I suppose in the case of the ancients, they worshipped all sorts of things and events, and made their own stories about them.  Yes, there were religions before the Christians.  Surely you're aware that the Jewish people existed before the Christians and their Bible?

You must realize that the gods of the ancient times, were mixed and melded into each other as people progressed.  Here's a bit from Wiki about Min:

Min is an Ancient Egyptian god whose cult originated in predynastic times (4th millennium BC).[1] He was represented in many different forms, but was often represented in male human form, shown with an erect **** which he holds in his left hand and an upheld right arm holding a flail. As Khem or Min, he was the god of reproduction; as Khnum, he was the creator of all things, "the maker of gods and men".[2] As a god of fertility, he was shown as having black skin to reflect the fertile black mud of the Nile's inundation. His cult was strongest in Coptos and Akhmim (Panopolis), where in his honour great festivals were held celebrating his “coming forth” with a public procession and presentation of offerings.[3] His other associations include the eastern desert and links to the god Horus. Flinders Petrie excavated two large statues of Min at Qift which are now in the Ashmolean Museum and it is thought by some that they are pre-dynastic. Although not mentioned by name a reference to 'he whose arm is raised in the East' in the Pyramid Texts is thought to refer to Min. His importance grew in the Middle Kingdom when he became even more closely linked with Horus as the deity Min-Horus. By the New Kingdom he was also fused with Amen in the deity Min-Amen-kamutef (Min-Amen - bull of his mother). Min's shrine was crowned with a pair of bull horns.[4]


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on March 03, 2010, 09:47:08 pm
Our letter "J" probably ultimately comes from the Egyptian hieroglyph representing the Semitic ayin, which is depicted as an outstretched arm -  (http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t267/Qoais/yinEgyptian.png)

It entered the Proto-Sinaitic script and became the Semitic yod. This letter in our alphabet possessed the "Y" sound until relatively late.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 04, 2010, 12:53:20 pm
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/wisdom-of-the-first-book-of-atlanteans/aha1.jpg)

(http://www.all-about-egypt.com/image-files/alphabet-hieroglyphs.jpg)

Aside from dj for the cobra glyph, the tethering rope also has the tj sound.

However the tethering rope can also be th or ch as in chair or sh as in shoe.

In a sense the cobra could also be dsh,dch.

I would imagine that these sounds are all connected phonetically to the letter J which is quite apparent that this sound was around from at least the first dynasty as indicated by Djet's name or the Aha label picture above with the lion head,chick,tethering rope and staircase at the bottom.

The lion is Hat as in "foremost",w or u for the chick and tj,ch,or sh for the tethering rope and rw or ru for the stair.

Thus, Hat u tjrw or foremost of Tejaru,Techaru,or Tesharu. Some labels omit the bird and use the nome sign for niwt or an x in circle.

I had posted about the Menes label earlier where Tejaru appears to be a mystical place somewhere,perhaps in the western delta is a good guess.

Most likely,since sh appears to have been easier to pronounce than Jay or when people "shush" someone to be quiet, that the letter J probably evolved from the "sh" and then "ch" sounds.

Sh was also common in Sumeria defined by an s with a mark overtop.

Some people may have been tone deaf or found it difficult in their speech to pronounce J correctly that would explain the different formats like th,sh and ch and sounds for the letter J such as Ia or Ya for Ja. Thus Djet would also be Diet or Dyet.

In any case we do have evidence of the J sound to at least the first dynasty or 3200.bC regardless if the actual J letter design appeared much later.

But I don't think it developed from Hebrew 'ayin or A-ayin as you suggest Qoasis although it is interesting to consider as you propose Jayin which is also close to JA MN and if we use "Sh" we have SHAMN which is close to the ancient spiritualists known as Shaman.

We also have to consider that our Egyptologists identify to the J sound for their alphabet just as it is also identified in the linear A alphabet as JA where you can see many words in linear A having JA as a syllable.

I also noticed at ancientscripts.com that the elamites who predate "proto-elamite" or the aramaic and hebrew "proto-semitic" also had a sign similiar to the letter J on the pyramid but was for the "sh" sound.







Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 06, 2010, 04:34:50 pm
The Big Dipper,Cepheus and Cassiopeia.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Cepheus_constellation_map.png/492px-Cepheus_constellation_map.png)

Cepheus (The King)
(http://www.ianridpath.com/atlases/urania/urania04.jpg)

Cassiopeia (The Seated Queen or Lady of the Chair)

(http://www.ianridpath.com/atlases/urania/urania03.jpg)

Urania's Mirror constellation cards;
http://www.ianridpath.com/atlases/urania.htm

Cassiopeia is a constellation in the northern sky. It was one of the 48 constellations listed by the 2nd century Greek astronomer Ptolemy, and it remains one of the 88 modern constellations today. Cassiopeia is easily recognizable due to its distinctive 'W' shape formed by five bright stars.

Cassiopeia A was first seen in 1680.

In the sky Cassiopeia sits with Andromeda on the South side, Perseus on the South East and Cepheus to the North. She is opposite The Big Dipper, and can be seen the clearest in early November.

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In Greek mythology it was considered to represent the vain queen Cassiopeia, who boasted about her unrivaled beauty.

Cassiopeia’s story originated in the mythology of ancient Greece. Cassiopeia was the queen and consort of King Cepheus in Ethiopia. Their daughter Andromeda was very beautiful. Cassiopeia herself was a great beauty and was vain of it; she proclaimed her beauty was greater than that of the Nereids', the daughters of the sea god Poseidon. To punish Cassiopeia, he sentenced Andromeda to be tied to a rock with a sea monster awaiting her.

Perseus, returning from having slaughtered the gorgon Medusa, encountered the body of Andromeda lashed to the rock. He spoke to Cassiopeia and her husband and struck a deal with them: he would be allowed to marry Andromeda if he could kill the great sea monster before it killed their virgin daughter (who had been betrothed to her uncle Phineus). Perseus defeated the monster, took Andromeda and returned to Ethiopia.[1] Cassiopeia and Cepheus fulfilled their end of the bargain and began to plan the wedding for Andromeda. After the nuptials began, Phineus entered the proceedings and demanded his right to marry Andromeda.

A battle ensued in which Cepheus and Cassiopeia sided with Phineus. Outnumbered, Perseus considered that he had no choice but to slay his challengers by using the head of the recently slaughtered Medusa. Following their death both Cepheus and Cassiopeia were placed among the stars by Poseidon. Cassiopeia was put upside down for half the year because of her vanity, with her husband beside her.[2]

Eta Cas A has become one of the top 100 target stars for NASA's planned Terrestrial Planet Finder (TPF)
http://www.solstation.com/stars/eta-cass.htm

(Eta Cassiopeiae A, one of Cassiopeia's stars 19.4 light years from our Sun)

Cepheus,the Ethiopian King's constellation looks like a box with a PYRAMID on top.
(consider JA written on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo)

y Cephei,about 50 light years from Earth,will be our POLE STAR ca.3000 - 5200.aD.
It is also named Errai,Er Rai and or Alrai, an Arabic term (ar-ra-i) meaning "The Shepherd".

Their daughter,the Princess Andromeda also contains our nearest Galactic neighbor named after her, the Andromeda Galaxy.

(http://www.ianridpath.com/atlases/urania/urania05.jpg)

This gets fascinating because Aethiopia is also an old name for Africa including her western Atlantic shores and not just the common area we know as Ethiopia today.

Cassiopeia is the giant M or Royal Crown of 5 stars that should be included in our Zodiac for 13 signs and also Cepheus for 14 signs, or the King and Queen of the Heavens aside from Ethiopia.

(Consider Jesus and 12 disciples plus Jesus' Father JA MN. The letters JA MN = 1,10,13 and 14. A = 1 = God,Risen,Origin. 10 is a perfect number and our base system just like our fingers and toes!)


As Above So Below.

My Garden of Avila (Eden) is at the Olkarien gorge in Tansania above the ngorongoro crater that we also can identify with Aethiopia.

In the Secret of the Eye of Ra, or the image outlining God's left hand, we see the Queen Mother with a Diamond Crown on her hand comparable to Royal Crowns and the 5 stars of Cassiopeia !

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Secret_of_the_Eye_of_Ra_PauloRiven09.jpg)

Oddly enough we also find a throne nearby that is larger than the Garden itself! I guess that explains the giant footprint!

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga12.jpg)


It's quite amazing how they all relate. Maybe the legend of Cassiopeia and Cepheus is older than we think and with deeper meaning than we understand!

Strange but true.

Revelations 19:7. Let us be glad and rejoice and give glory to him. For the marriage of the Lamb is come: and his wife hath prepared herself.




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 08, 2010, 07:35:45 pm

The only reason I am posting this so you people can better understand who I am and why I state that JA MN is the correct name that our “Creator intended for us to use as evidenced from your histories.” JA MN would also have been the God for Atlanteans who we really all are descended from as our cultures testify to on either side of the Atlantic Ocean. I’m not saying that you should believe me or that you will be condemned if you don’t and neither am I preaching other than to advise you of 5 simple commandments at the end, but for you to know the facts and decide for yourself. After all Free Will is the universal law. The only thing is that the other side “tricks” you into submitting your free will, we don’t. There is also a new addendum in relation to your Royal Crown of 5 stars in the night sky.

This is the only time I will post this and any further posts will be to answer your questions or provide more evidence of JA MN to better our spiritual understandings.

Remember that the point here is that we are seeking to define God’s intended NAME for us to use FROM our Histories and not a title like, the most high, or all consciousness, Yahweh, Elohim, Allah, Buddha, etc that are all sub-names or titles more properly just as Christ is also a title while Jesus is a name. I feel confident that based on my testimony and personal experiences you will see why what I say merits deep consideration for the unexplained “signs” from God who grants us wisdom.
I apologize if you feel differently about this post, but it is worthy of wisdom for us all and adamant in the face of persecution or ridicule such as Jesus’ true words also are.

Jesus was one of many Sons and Daughters of God throughout our Aeons of Aeternity as you all are.



_____________________________.111.[R].The Witnessing of Paulo.J.T.C.Mn.[R].111.__________________________________

I'll try and explain this as simply as possible and how my research into Atlantis took a turn in December 2005 thru January 2006 by JA MN’s will (God), for it is what it is by His own accordance.

I began my Atlantean research in 2003 and joined Atlantis Rising Forums. Initially I chose Riven for my pseudo name because it is in the word Scriven, which is to Scribe or write in antiquity. It also means to be torn or separated such as our true histories, religions and languages also are. Riven is also my favorite video game from Cyan and their "Myst" series of adventure games.

In 2003, I also chose the avatar of the warrior on the white horse battling demon hordes below because it symbolized my personal quest to prove Plato's Atlantis Legend is based on a true story. The avatar also reflected my near death experience when I witnessed the gray spirits below upon my ascension to the Oval light.

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Atlantean_King_Paulo_Riven_Logos.jpg

Little did I know that this image would reflect Revelations of the Bible and my new spiritual journey with our Creator God JA MN along with my Atlantean studies in 2006.
 
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Revelation Chapter 19:11;

11 And I saw heaven opened: and behold a white horse. And he that sat upon him was called faithful and true: and with justice doth he judge and fight. 12 And his eyes were as a flame of fire: and on his head were many diadems. And he had a name written, which no man knoweth but himself. 13 And he was clothed with a garment sprinkled with blood. And his name is called: THE WORD OF GOD.

 
Later, I decided to use my first name Paulo with Riven and Riven would become the name for the White Horse. As the spiritual awakening commenced from witnessing God's name JA written on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo, Egypt. I would also inherit many titular names of meaning, for a name should have meaning to be proper like Atlantis also is as a testimony to her truth from Plato’s 360.bC preservation of Solon’s knowledge gathered from Egypt in the time of Pharaoh Amasis II around 570.bC.

Further studies made me realize that JA MN was the oldest God in our histories and my last name is also MN and that God is eternal and that I believed His works were upon me, I inherited the name of Ae-Jor Mn in defense of our God Ae-JA MN. Jorge is my second name. As I am the fifth born child, I also have 5 names which are PJTCM that ironically also reflects "Praise Jesus The Christ Man" and I was born on an island once known as Jesus Christ Island in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on All Saints Day. I have explained some of the psychic phenomena I experienced like third eye oval visions or seeing people through walls with the third eye that also combines with my mysterious photos. I am also related to Kings and Queens of Portugal in the 12th-13th centuries, so my signature of "Riven The Seer and Royal bloodline to Atlantis" as you can see, ironically is also "Truth".

Again, this also reflects revelations where it says that no man knoweth his name and that "his name is the word of God", thus AeJor MN is the word and defense of God AeJA MN, Ae being eternal or Aeternal.

In January 2006 while using Google Earth on Egypt for my Atlantean research, I felt a physical "nudge" on my right shoulder as I approached the Great Pyramid. My intuition told me to zoom in directly on top of the Pyramid where I saw the image of two letters that spelled in antiquity for our modern times, JA. At this time in my era of 44 years of age, I had no idea who JA was until I researched Jainism and found that JA was worshipped prior to the Bible by millions in Africa, India, Asia and even Europe where we can find traces to Linear A writings that extend to 3000.bC. Min and Amen was also the first Gods of Egypt that clearly reflect JA MN where Pharaoh Menes is a recorded as Egypt’s first King ca.3200.bC. Mneseus is a King of the older Atlantis and Minos is a King of Crete and the Minoans. In South America we find the Mayans as further evidence of cultures around 3000.bC who reflect JA MN much as He also does for us all in Man, Woman, Humans and Mind hidden by the letters M and N.

Evermore, I found God and God found me, and through me God worked wonders as these photos testify to which include our Garden of Avila in Eden at the Olkarien Gorge of Tansania, Africa near the Serengeti plains and the Ngorongoro craters. Ironcially, after I revealed the Garden the rains fell upon Tansania from an 8 year drought. Avila is an old name for Africa and was disguised between the H's as havilah. The v and l interchange with f and k/c in antiquity. Egypt's Eye of Ra  can be seen in the Garden to witness the Eye disguised as God's left hand and God disguised in His thumb creating a child with my Face on it while God's wife, who is wearing a diamond crown, looks upon The Babe in The Garden. Her diamond Royal Crown also reflects the 5 star crowned constellation of Cassiopeia, a Queen of Aethiopia or Lady of the Throne, and they form a giant M in the night sky as a reflection to JA MN. Her Husband the king of Aethiopia is called by the name of Cepheus that comes from the Greek term for “Head” in Kephalios and Deos for God that honors the name Cepheus or Kepheus as the Head God of Aethiopia. Ironically, JA MN’s Garden of re-creation can be termed in Aethiopia as a name that was also once used for all of Africa like Libya where we can realize the JA MN is our “Head or Main God” as reflected by Cepheus and Cassiopeia. Andromeda is Cassiopeia’s daughter whose constellation in our night sky also contains our nearest Galactic neighbor, the Andromeda Galaxy. Could this all mean that we have ancestors from Andromeda as a part of early humans on the lands of Atlantis “where they first saw the light” when it was our oldest middle Earth?

After witnessing JA’s name written on top of the Great Pyramid and His image inside on the airshaft stone plug, I was granted wisdom to find our Garden of Avila, a Temple of The Son 5000 miles away from Egypt and the murder of one of God’s previous Son’s, Philitis the Shepherd on Dec.10, 3474.bC in Saqqarra by Snoferu and Khufu. Then I decoded the pyramid, which pointed me to the Carina Nebula and not the warrior realm of Orion. There I discovered the Secret of The Pyramids and the Secret of Carina Nebulae asThe Ascension of God's Son’s Spirit preserved by an image from the Hubble Telescope of Carina nebula.

God's name JA on top of The Great Pyramid.
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza4_Color_enhanced_Riven05.jpg)

Airshaft stone plug inside the Great Pyramid.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Great_Pyramid_Stone_Plug1_Original_Riven05.jpg

Image revealed of JA with a tied beard using Picassa red filter.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Great_Pyramid_Stone_Plug2_Riven05.JPG

Decoding The Pyramids points to Carina Nebula and reveals how to Seat the Sphinx.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Pythagoras_Pyramid_Map_by_Riven05.GIF

The Ascension of The Christ being defended by a White Dragon from Satan in Carina Nebula (Hubble Space Labs photo)
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/The_Ascension__and_The_Dragon_of_Defence__Hubble_Telescope_R.JPG)

I believe that is why I died as a 16-year-old teenager to rescue the Sacred Chalice of God's passage for you into the Oval Light. I never realized this at that time such as God's works are mysterious and I wondered why I never entered the light with my left arm raised and within about ten feet from the light. After I found The Secret of Carina, it all made sense, especially when I saw Jesus being raise by His left arm also. We can also witness in the photo our Sacred Chalice falling below Jesus.

Closeup of Jesus being raised and the Sacred Chalice falling.
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/what-is-atlantis/Carina_Nebula_Jesus_Ascension_Riven.jpg)

The relocated Temple of The Sun from Saqqara, Egypt some 5000 miles away on an island.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/The_Relocated__Temple_of_Fire_Tomb_of_His_Holiness_Riven06.JPG

Garden of Eden and The Eye of Ra as God's Left Hand with God disguised in the Thumb.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga13.jpg

Closeup of God and His Wife wearing a Diamond Crown as She looks upon my face as a child.**(new zoomed in image)
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Secret_of_the_Eye_of_Ra_PauloRiven09.jpg)

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Genesis 19:7. Let us be glad and rejoice and give glory to him. For the marriage of the Lamb is come and his wife hath prepared her self.

Carina nebula is also known as "The Finger of God" and ironically, my name in the Bible Code with Carina, brings up a phrase also mentioning, "this is the finger of God", just as my name can also be found in the Bible Code with our Garden of Eden.

Check this beautiful photo of Carina Nebula that shows a Heart in its center with a gaseous pyramid outline. Coincidence?
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/what-is-atlantis/Keyhole_Carina_Nebula_Heart_Riven.jpg
 
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enter query; paulo jorge men
The Second Book of Moses, Called Exodus 8:19
Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God and Pharaohs heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them as Jehovah had spoken.
http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/paulo-jorge-men
 
Paulo Jorge Men Eden also brings up the same quote as above; http://www.biblecodewisdom.com/code/paulo-jorge-men-eden
(or paulo jorge men eden god)

I have also demonstrated how 3 images from the lost book of Nostradamus can be identified to all this, not out of arrogance but to aide in provenance to these most mysterious of truths of which I cannot deny and persevere forward in the face of ridicule and mockery by people and disbelievers.

Nostradamus 1
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Lostbook_Nostradamus1_Riven09.jpg

Nostradamus 2
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Lostbook_Nostradamus2_Riven09.jpg)

Nostradamus 3
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Lostbook_Nostradamus3_Riven09.jpg

 Obsidian Dragon Slayer is another merited title to me for aiding God in the downfall of Satan as I believe and from personal experience and witnessing, both with God and with Satan as these following pictures testify to.These pictures like the Garden of Avila are naturally occurring images by the Earth from Google Earth with no editing exclusively on my part other than to outline what I see. Same as it is for the Hubble Space Telescope image of Carina Nebula or Eta Carinae.

Satan beheaded by the Flaming Crooked Sword.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/Satan%27s_death_Riven09.bmp

Ironcially, we have the recent sighting of a burning sword “sign” in the night sky filmed by fekdemasons at David Icke.com

http://www.youtube.com/v/FI6d6J_OaR8

Huge Ufo / burning sword thread at David Icke.com; http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92663
 
 
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Acts 2
17 And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord), I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy: and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And upon my servants indeed and upon my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my spirit: and they shall prophesy.
19 And I will show wonders in the heaven above, and signs on the earth beneath: blood and fire, and vapour of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood, before the great and manifest day of the Lord to come.
21 And it shalt come to pass, that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 
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Revelation Chapter 20
1 And I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

 
Satan's image next to The Pit of The Calling in Kenya's rift valley with Judas' head below.
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga29.jpg)

Zoomed in;
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga28.jpg

3 Headed Dragon and the Dark Seal lower right.
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga22.jpg)

There are actually 8 entities such as 8 is the beasts number as mentioned in Revelations like H and Z also are.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/what-is-atlantis/Beast_of_8_Riven09.jpg

Skull of Apocolypse and the Iron Horse.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga23.jpg

Two Spiritual shadows battling it out in a volcanic pit next to the base of Mt Kilimanjaro, z markings.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga30.jpg

3 eyed 2 nosed face Geryon, herder of the Phoenician cart for those destined into the Pit.
https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-garden-of-eden/The%20Ga31.jpg

As you can see, I have a valid reason and concern to provide for us information about the materia and immateria worlds and a closer look at our histories and most importantly, to bring us closer to our Creator JA MN who’s Name also means I AM and was hidden as AMEN. When Jesus was calling upon His Father, often He would start a sentence by saying “Amen, Amen, I say unto you”, meaning that He was calling upon His Father. We say Amen after our prayers without even realizing that we too are saying God’s Name !

For letters and numbers don't lie, people do.

Plato's Critias even told you that we built our Temple and The Royal City of Atlantis "where we first saw the light", as God showed us.

If you would like to know the truth about Atlantis and our Histories; https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home


………………..The 5 Stars of Your Royal Crown, The Cassiopeia Constellation. Signature of Mn in the Heavens……………

Cepheus - King of Aethiopia
Kepheus = Greek
Kephalios = Head (Greek)
Zeus or Deos = God

Cepheus = Head God; Aethiopia
Cassiopeia = Head Goddess = Aethiopia
JA MN = Head God; Aethiopia
Garden of Eden (Avila, Africa) = Aethiopia (Tansania)

Cepheus = Head = Mind = Knowledge = JA

JA MN and WIFE are visible in the Garden of Eden (Avila)
Revelations 19:7,"God's Wife reveals herself and the marriage of the lamb"
Avila (havilah) = Aethiopia
Avila = Afika = Africa

14 zodiac signs = 5
5 = change or God's works.
1900 = 10 = 1 = God

1900 x 14 = 26,600 years precessional cycle
26,600 = 14 = 5
5+5 = 10 = 1 = Perfection = God
(our current precessional cycle is 12 x 2160 = 25,920 years.)
365 days = 14 = 5

Jesus + 12 disciples = 13
1 fell = Jesus + 11 disciples = 12 = Zodiac
Jesus = Pisces
Mary = Virgo the Virgin = hidden disciple of the 11
Jesus and Mary and 10 disciples = 12
Cepheus = King of Aethiopea and King of Heaven = 14
Cassiopeia = Queen of Aethiopea and Queen of Heaven = 13

JA MN = 1(A)-10(J)-13(M)-14(N)
JA MN = 38 = 11 = 2 = Even, Eternal, Balance, Harmony = 1 + 1 = God and Goddess.

1-10 = Disciples
11 and 12 = Mary and Jesus (Virgo and Pisces)
13 = Cassiopeia (Constellation of a Royal Crown of 5 stars= M or W)
14 = Cepheus (Constellation of a Box and Pyramid of 5 stars)
5 = Change = God's Works = Baby = Creation
5 stars = God's Family plus a male baby or 10 stars and 2 babies (1 female)
5 mountains surround Garden of Eden in Tansania.
Garden of Eden shows God, Goddess and 1 male baby.(Son of Man with my face).
2 babies = Us from them or MaN and WoMaN = evolution.

God....…= A = 1
Goddess..= B = 2
Son....….= C = 3
Daughter = D = 4

4 = Perfect Family = God's Family = 10 (1,2,3,4)
Cassiopeia and the constellation of Her 5 stars is upside down for half a year = W or M like W-o-M-aN.
As you can see she wears Her Royal Diamond Crown in The Garden of Eden.
Cassiopeia is best visible in "early November".
Cassiopeia looks upon The Babe in The Garden with my face as a child upon the babe.
I was born on All Saints Day on “November 1st, All Saints Day.
 
MNESEUS = King of Atlantis
MIN = First God of Egypt
MENES = First King of Egypt
MINOS = King of Crete and MINOANS
MAYANS, S.America
MING = China
MENESTHEOS = King of Europe
MENSA = MIND
Mene, Mene, Mene - forget me not for I AM.
MAN, WOMAN, HUMAN = MN

God is JA MN = AMEN = I AM.
I AM = I AMEN = IA MEN = JA MN
JA = knowledge, to be, exist, father = I
MN = many, people, teachings (isms / im) = AM

Picture further explaining JA and how the letter A also conceals the letter M for Egypt.

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Ja_Great_Pyramid_Cairo.bmp

JA MN is the proper name for you to know Him by that they hid from you for thousands of years.It's not His Real Name.
AMEN also means "The hidden one" to Egyptians. That's why you don't realize what your saying after your prayers.

God has a Name for us to use, not a Title. Name’s are forever, titles change.
So it is that the titles “God” or “Goddess” have many changes.

In MY OPINION and WITNESSINGS, they are Liars, always have been just like Jesus said!

Genesis New Testament, JOHN chapter 8.

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34 Jesus answered them: Amen, amen, I say unto you that whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin. 35 Now the servant abides not in the house for ever: but the son abides for ever. 36 If therefore the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. 37 I know that you are the children of Abraham: but you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus says them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the truth to you, which I have heard of God. This Abraham did not. 41 You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded and came. For I came not of myself: but he sent me. 43 Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil: and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning: and he stood not in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 45 But if I say the truth, you believe me not. 46 Which of you shall convince me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me: 47 He that is of God hears the words of God.

Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.

Then again, Jesus worked many miracles and the ones with false hearts denied him or those of the Black Sun upon their heads, as they will also deny or ridicule my works too. Believe it or not, matters not. To Know Is Immortal and now you know, which is all that matters for the truth to one day ring in your hearts and minds.
The god of the bible is a disguise of a “red wolf” in sheep’s clothing.

As written originally in the Septuagint and Vaticanus;

Genesis 1; In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and Earth. (God translated from Hebrew ALHYM or elohim, first Hebrew title for God)
Genesis 2: 4;  These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:


(Translated from the Hebrew yhwh alhym, meaning Lord God. Yhwh actually means “lord who will become” and elohim is “God the powerful of many.” Later in Exodus when God said to Moses to tell the people His Name as I AM, this is written in Hebrew AHYM, so they cleverly switched yhwh for lord as a deception for ahym because both words in Hebrew were similar. Yhwh also means vanity such as he is a selfish and bloodthirsty murderer as portrayed in the bible.

Both Yahweh and Elohim are titles and not God’s name, and neither mean I AM as JA MN clearly does from language studies.

That is why many of you don’t understand God and grow resentful, just as they planned from the Fallen Zatan.

A is Risen and Z is fallen. The letter Z is drawn by an Egyptian Ankh in Linear A.
Sa = Risen Son, Za = Fallen Son

Linear A is God’s letters. Look Closely at J, M and Q. Ja is a Djed pillar or backbone of God as in Egypt and M is a Pyramid that further identifies to JA's name being written on top of the Great Pyramid.The Q as in Queen is an Egg with outstretched arms on a pedestal!
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/leucippe-s-lux-of-ipse/Azillian_Linear_A_Atlantis_3500bC.gif)

All that is Good Is God
Only God Creates, everything else imitates.
God Never Destroyed Our Earth
They Did !! https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/what-is-atlantis/Satan%27s_Geomatria.jpg

Pray with JA MN
Worship No Stone
Command No Death
Love Thy Neighbor
Preserve our Histories

AeJor MN (Revelations; "And His Name Shall Be The Word of God".)
SaJARa (Son of  “God is King”)
AeJA MN

Paulo Riven
Sword of Avila
Waterer of The Garden
Opener of The Ways
Revealer of Revelations
Obsidian Dragon Slayer
The Argo Wind
White Dragon

8492.aJA
2:21 AM 3/7/2010




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 17, 2010, 04:29:26 am
.111.[R].Atlantean sStA of Aegyptos.[R].111.

This thread is intended to show the Secrets(sStA) of Egypt in relation to Atlantis and also the long histories of Greece and Egypt throughout the Bronze age since at least 3000.bC.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/wisdom-of-the-first-book-of-atlanteans/Atlantean__Machine_3500bC__Riven.jpg)

We understand from Plato's 360.bC preservation of the Atlantean legend that was brought back by Solon ca.570-564.bC,that it was a legend preserved by Egypt and recorded in her Sacred Registers and Temple of Neith in Sais that also contained some 8000 years of Egyptian history from Solon's time or ca.8570.bC as written in Plato's Critias and Timaeus dialogues.

Solon retained the Atlantean legend from a meeting with Pharaoh Amasis II and Priests of Sais of whom the most likely candidate for the Egyptian Priest speaking to Solon was Wedjahor-Resne. Wedjahor-resne was very much like a modern day Imhotep for his time as his resume reveals;

Wedjahor-Resne or Udjahor-Resnet. (I write Uadjahor-Resne)
Servant to the king;

-son of the director of Castles
-honored with the Gods and Goddesses of Egypt
-protector of Osiris
-chief physician
-naval admiral
-royal chancellor
-director of the palace
-chief scribe
-khrjep priest
-renep priest
-khepetwedet priest
-prophet of Neith the head of Sais Peftuoneit
(probably where we get another mention of a priest Patheneit like Psonchis of Sais)

-only Priest allowed to restore and preserve the Temples of Sais by Cambyses and Darius.
-gave titular Egyptian names for Cambyses and instructed him in Egyptian customs.

-Wedjahor was not a traitor,he preserved Egypt.

source; http://www.livius.or...djahorresne.htm

As you can see Wedjahor-resne is the most prominent candidate especially considering that he was in fact the Head Priest and also the Naval Admiral that would explain why he recalled the Legend of Atlantis. I also suggest that since Atlantis appears to have been a well guarded secret by Egypt and that Egypt was near her downfall to the Persians after Psammeticus III,son of Amasis II, that Wedjahor-resne was "allowed" to finally reveal the Secret of Atlantis to Solon.

We should also consider that Solon was also one of the Seven Wise Men honorable enough to earn that title for the entire Mediterranean cultures and of a very high status of Royalty to have risked his reputation with the Atlantean legend from Egypt if it were not in fact based on a true story. Socrates,Critias,Hermocrates and Timaeus ca.420.bC as preserved by Plato all swore numerous times to Truth in the dialogues. Evermore the Atlantean legend has defended it's integrity for 2,581 years! Much the same way as Jesus The Christ remains with us for some 2017 years.

So don't feel bad if you disbelieve or dismiss Atlantis as a philosophical allegory of Plato like all those people throughout the Aeons because you hear but you don't understand the words or simply deny them as they also did Christ.

As they say, the truth will set you free, so it is that great legends are meant to be free to continue.

Let's look at those truths and why the Legend of Atlantis came from Egypt and not from Plato and why it was Egypt's well guarded Secret (sStA) for 8500 years.

I believe we know the answer to that.


Let's start with the some basics.

A is God's first letter or number 1. It also reveals The Trinity.
You can also envision it as a man and woman with their heads together holding arms.
The letter A is our first or original letter that also means "Risen" or "Foremost".
A is also a standing "confident" person that is also topped by a Pyramid with 3 equal sides.
A is commonly used for our countries and our different god's many names. (Asia,Africa,America/yAhweh,jehovAh,AllA,Ahur MAzdA,BuddhA and my favorite JA MN)
A is pleasure or it is pain so it is also life and death. A baby's first cry, a sigh of relief or pleasure,a cry of pain.
A upside down reveals a glyph for a cow's head or a plough for agriculture as two key sources for our survivals.

As you can see there is more to the letter A than meets the eye and why it is God's first letter that also compares to the wisdom of Jesus in St Thomas' Gnostic letters of when a 7 year old Jesus outsmarted His hebrew teacher with the remark such as "teach me about the mysteries of the Alpha and I'll teach you about the Beta".

Just from that we can see the importance of the name of Atlantis or Atlanteans and why they live on throughout our histories from the memory of the Atlantic Ocean.

The focus for the name Atlantis is on "Risen and Foremost" in relation to the letter A.
From the Egyptian or African we have the word for Earth or Land with TA that reveals A TA LANTis as "Risen Earthland" and A TA Lanteans as Risen Earthland people or people of the risen earth. Very much as we see,Atlantean was an ancient name for the collective people much like we use "humans" today.

For the Egyptians in the times of Zep Tepi, this was known to them as TATENEN or the Risen primordial land of creation.
Tatenen was also related to a God of Egypt as well in ptah-Tatenen. Ideally, we can already see the distinct relationship between Egypt with Tatenen and Atlantis both having the same meaning.

A-TA-LANTIS = TA-TENEN.

That's enough for this post before I write another 10,000 letters!

I'll leave you with this thought;

Think Atlantean when you look at photo's of Egypt's sStAs(secrets) and wonder. :)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-atlantean-dragon-claw-orbis-ship/Museum37_Gebel-el-Arak_Knife_Ship_3500bC.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/what-is-atlantis/Atlantis%20Heiroglyph%20Riven05.JPG)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 17, 2010, 08:30:46 pm

Let's just set the table for a better feast.


Critias I is the grandfather of Critias II who is telling the story to Socrates,Hermocrates and Timaeus in the amphitheater around 420.bC. Critias II at 10 years of age heard the legend from his Grandfather,Critias I who was around 90 years of age.


Plato's Timaeus dialogue;Part 1 of the Atlantean legend.


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Critias II; "Then listen, Socrates, to a tale which, though strange, is certainly true, having been attested by Solon, who was the wisest of the seven sages."

Socrates; "Very good. And what is this ancient famous action of the Athenians, which Critias declared, on the authority of Solon, to be not a mere legend, but an actual fact?"

Socrates; "And what other, Critias, can we find that will be better than this, which is natural and suitable to the festival of the goddess, and has the very great advantage of being a fact and not a fiction?"

Repeatedly we are given testimony that those great scholars contended that the legend of Atlantis was true. If Plato had intended to preserve these works as a fictional allegory, he would not have written those lines. Because we have not found the city of Atlantis does not mean that the legend wasn't true or that Atlantis didn't exist. We simply can't say yet that Atlantis did or did not exist, but that we have yet to find evidence of the Royal City.

What we can say for certain is that Atlanteans do exist as Herodotus ca.440.bC related to us in his account on Libya and that the Atlantic and Atlas names were being used well before Plato and Herodotus with the likes of Hellanicus,Homer and Hesiod. Therefore if Atlanteans do in fact exist then why isn't it possible that they had a city called Atlantis?

b]Apparently,it is only out of ignorance,resentment or self preservation of status that people or scholars are quick to dismiss Atlantis and try to blame Plato when the story did in fact come from Egypt. People tend to forget that those great scholars of yesterday put their reputations on the line and not only that but if Plato was writing fiction then why would he involve the Pharaoh of Egypt or Egyptian Priests to ridicule also?[/b]


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Critias I; "Yes, Amynander, if Solon had only, like other poets, made poetry the business of his life, and had completed the tale which he brought with him from Egypt,..."

That statement explains to us why the Atlantean story was not completed and we had to rely on Critias II filling in missing parts and adding his own ideas or names of the "progressive histories" so his audience could better understand. For example Triremes weren't around during the Atlantean war and Critias mixed the old with the new as he himself stated in his closing arguments in the Timaeus as follows:

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Critias II; "The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians."


Critias II;"...and then, in accordance with the tale of Solon, and equally with his law, we will bring them into court and make them citizens, as if they were those very Athenians whom the sacred Egyptian record has recovered from oblivion, and thenceforward we will speak of them as Athenians and fellow-citizens."

Critias II; "The progress of the history will unfold the various nations of barbarians and families of Hellenes which then existed, as they successively appear on the scene;" (Critias dialogue)

That is why some researchers are confused as to when the Atlantean war occurred and come up with 900 year(1470.bC) theories instead of 9000 years as written. This is entirely false because the Atlantean Royal City began at a time "before Ships and Voyages were heard of",which is prior to 3000.bC and also this statement from the Critias dialogue of Deukalion's flood ca.1520-1450.bC we find;

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Critias II; "For the fact is that a single night of excessive rain washed away the earth and laid bare the rock; at the same time there were earthquakes, and then occurred the extraordinary inundation, which was the third before the great destruction of Deucalion."

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Critias I; "In the Egyptian Delta, at the head of which the river Nile divides, there is a certain district which is called the district of Sais, and the great city of the district is also called Sais, and is the city from which King Amasis came.


The city of Sais is on a par with Buto and goes back well into the beginning of the first dynasty around 3000.bC.Throughout the dynasties and more apparent in the new kingdom, Sais was revived and the 26th dynasty that includes Pharaoh Amasis II and the Egyptian Priests was also a Saitic Dynasty that adds to the credibility of the stories great antiquity prior to 3000.bC.
Very little is known about Sais with meager archaeological studies while the city mysteriously vanished like the library of Alexandria. One thing that is certain is that around 570-526.bC,the Sacred Registers contained the Atlantis legend in Sais that may also have been inscribed in hieroglyphs on the walls of the Temple of Neith which was still standing and allowed to be preserved by the Persians Cambyses and Darius. Somewhere those sacred registers must be hidden like Alexandria's secrets.

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Egyptian Priest;"She founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and afterwards she founded ours, of which the constitution is recorded in our sacred registers to be eight thousand years old. As touching your citizens of nine thousand years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action; the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves."

Their we find our evidence for the sacred registers and the timeline of the Atlantean story as "it successively appears on the scene" being from 9570.bC - 570.bC.The Atlantean war occurred sometime after the founding of Sais and before the flood of Deukalion or between 1500-8570.bC. The key lies in understanding what exactly is meant by 8000 or 9000 years that is either to be taken literally or 1/2 to 1/3rd of the years mentioned.


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"The citizens have a deity for their foundress; she is called in the Egyptian tongue Neith, and is asserted by them to be the same whom the Hellenes call Athene; they are great lovers of the Athenians, and say that they are in some way related to them."

 "You are welcome to hear about them, Solon, said the priest, both for your own sake and for that of your city, and above all, for the sake of the goddess who is the common patron and parent and educator of both our cities.

Neith predates the first dynasty of Egypt and is older than Isis or Osiris. Athena is also of great antiquity whereupon we have evidence that both Athena and Neith were of Libyan descent from Egyptian and Greek studies. Athena is claimed as being from the Lake Tritonis area that identifies her with the Atlanteans of Herodotus. Neptune, who is older and was replaced by "poseidon", was also of Libyan heritage. These statements alone give us some insight on why the Greeks and Egyptians were related and most importantly, a clue as to their Atlantean heritage. This is also identified from the terms of Aegean with Aegyptos that we can relate to Aethiopia or even to say Aetlantean for our classical languages.
 

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Egyptian Priest; "If you compare these very laws with ours you will find that many of ours are the counterpart of yours as they were in the olden time. In the first place, there is the caste of priests, which is separated from all the others; next, there are the artificers, who ply their several crafts by themselves and do not intermix; and also there is the class of shepherds and of hunters, as well as that of husbandmen; and you will observe, too, that the warriors in Egypt are distinct from all the other classes, and are commanded by the law to devote themselves solely to military pursuits; moreover, the weapons which they carry are shields and spears, a style of equipment which the goddess taught of Asiatics first to us, as in your part of the world first to you. Then as to wisdom, do you observe how our law from the very first made a study of the whole order of things, extending even to prophecy and medicine which gives health, out of these divine elements deriving what was needful for human life, and adding every sort of knowledge which was akin to them."

Again we have clear identification of Egypt and Greece being related as "Aegeans" and some distinctive lifestyles of Egypt.
We shall also find that the Atlantean lifestyle was very much comparable to Egypt as well in some of the mannerisms of canals,irrigation systems,bull worship like the Apis Bull,laws and orders of castes like above, continuous growth and honor of the main Atlantean Palace throughout the generations just like the Temple of Karnak, kings meeting every 5th or 6th years, are all but some of the many parallels to Egypt,Minoans and Phoenicians.

As I always maintain,the Atlanteans rightfully controlled everyone around the entire mediterranean and not really upto Tyrhennia,Italy or the border of Egypt as mentioned. Also note that the Egyptian priest said the Atlanteans attacked the whole of Europe and Asia including Egypt. I think those countries wanted their own independence and revolted from Atlantean rule and the fabric of their ancestral blanket. The later replacements of JOve (Jupiter) with Zeus and Neptune with Poseidon due to the eastern mergers of Phoenicia are testimonies to those facts.

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Critias II; "Yet, before proceeding further in the narrative, I ought to warn you, that you must not be surprised if you should perhaps hear Hellenic names given to foreigners. I will tell you the reason of this: Solon, who was intending to use the tale for his poem, enquired into the meaning of the names, and found that the early Egyptians in writing them down had translated them into their own language, and he recovered the meaning of the several names and when copying them out again translated them into our language. My great-grandfather, Dropides, had the original writing, which is still in my possession, and was carefully studied by me when I was a child."

This is the key statement by Critias for us to understand that the Greeks are in fact telling an Egyptian story and that our english words come from the Greek translations of the Egyptians. Therefore all the names spoken of like the 3 founders and the 10 twin kings are Egyptian names as is the name of Atlantis or the Atlantic Ocean.

No different than all the names that Egyptologists go by today from the Greeks like Memphis or Abydos or even the name Egypt.

The key is determining what exactly the meaning of the names are and then what Egyptian names the Greeks derived their translations from.

In essence, we need to know the Egyptian name for Atlantis like Tatenen for Atlantean as an example.

I'm sure we will be surprised.


source; https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/plato-s-truth


I'll return a little later to answer some of your questions or comments.






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 18, 2010, 01:58:10 pm
 
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TIMELINE OF ANCIENT SOURCES
Whence came the story of Atlantis?
 
   It has been suggested that a timeline of ancient authors who wrote about Atlantis would contribute to the material presented in this website. In compliance with the suggestion, I am including the following timeline. The sources (Plato is not the source) of the Atlantis story are sometimes hazy, but many in the list below are quite solid. When perusing the list below it might be well to keep in mind that to Philo the island mentioned by Plato was called Atalantes. The "Atlanteans" mentioned by Herodotus and Diodorus were Atlantes to Herodotus, but Atlantoi to Diodorus only four hundred years later. Also we find that the Aletae of Sanchuniathon were Auritae to Manetho nine hundred years later. It is foolish to expect all references to Atlantis and Atlanteans to be spelled to our liking. The Berbers of North Africa had place-names like Attala, while the Sanskrit writings tell us of an island in the Atlantic called Atala. It is my contention that these are merely different forms of the Greek "Atlantis".

THE ANCIENT AUTHORSDATE:   AUTHOR:   SOURCE:   CONTENT:

470 A.D....Proclus....Commentary on Timaeus...Preserves Crantor's account (now lost) of his trip to Sais, Egypt to see the temple records reported by Solon

370 A.D....Marcellinus..Res Gestae...On the disappearence of landmasses: "in the Atlantic sea, off the coast of Europe, a large island was swallowed up."

300 A.D....Arnobius...Adversus Gentes...Writes of the destruction of Atlantis as if it were an accepted fact of history.

100 A.D....Plutarch...Orb of the Moon...Claims that the Atlantic was shallow and unnavigable because of the subsidance of the island of Atlantis.

10 A.D....Philo Judaeus...Incorruptibility...The Island of Atalantes in Plato's Timaios was overwhelmed by floods and earthquakes and suddenly disappeared.

8 B.C....Diodorus...Library of History...Describes a race of "Atlanteans" living in Libya (North Africa), whose deities originate in the Atlantic.

25 B.C....Strabo...Geography...Expressed the opinion that possibly Plato's story about the island of Atlantis was not a fiction.

c. 100 B.C....Marcellus...Ethiopic History...Canary Islanders preserved traditions of Atlantis, which they alleged had once governed all the islands in the Atlantic.

100 B.C....Aelian...De Natura Animalium..."Dwellers by the ocean" say the ancient kings of Atlantis traced their descent back to the god Poseidon.

250 B.C....Manetho...Old Chronicle...Lists the ten god-kings, (which he called the "Auritae") who, during the Reign of the Gods, ruled a "foreign country".

300 B.C....Crantor...Commentary on Timaeus...Priests of Sais show Crantor the temple columns from which Solon derived his knowledge of the story of Atlantis.

320 B.C....Theopompus...Meropis Priests of Phrygia tell him of a continent of great size in the far west inhabited by both peaceful and warlike people.

340 B.C....Bhavishya...Purana...Mentions Atala, the "White Island" across a sea of saltwater in the West, inhabited by Magas who worship Surya, the Sun.

350 B.C.(360.bC-Riv.)...Plato...Timaeus/Critias   Plato relates the now familiar story of Atlantis and its final destruction by earthquakes, floods and subsidance.

450 B.C.(440.bC-Riv.)...Herodotus...Histories...The ocean now called the Atlantic he calls "the Atlantis Sea". He describes a tribe of "Atlanteans" living in North Africa.

460 B.C....Hellanicus...Atlantis...Hellanicus wrote a chronology entitled "Atlantis" mentioning Atlas and Poseidon of which only fragments remain.

590 B.C.(570-564.bC-Riv.)...Solon...Atlantica (lost)...Solon began his epic poem "Atlantica" based on the story of Atlantis he had gotten from the priests at Sais, Egypt.

600 B.C....Mahabharata...Karna Parva...Describes a ten-year war at the end of which the island of Atala and all its inhabitants sank into the "Western Ocean".

735 B.C.....Hesiod...Theogeny...Tells us of the Titans who, after losing a ten-year war, were imprisoned beneath the waters of the Ocean in the far West.

800 B.C....Homer...Iliad...Refers to the imprisonment of the Titan Cronos at the "far end of the earth" beneath the "waters of the restless sea."

1190 B.C....Sanchuniathon...Phoenician History...Calls ancient god-kings of former times the "Aletean kings". Gives Phoenician legends of Thoth, Cronos, Atlas and Zeus.

1300 B.C....Turin Papyrus...King-List...Lists the ten god-kings whose reign over a foreign country ended 9850 B.C., followed by the reign of the demi-gods

c. 2000 B.C....Vishnu...Purana...Locates Atala, the White Island, in the "Western Ocean" at same latitude as Canary Islands in the Atlantic.

c. 2500 B.C....Palermo Stone...Royal Canon....Lists the last eight of the ten god-kings, including Cronos (Seb), Osiris, Set and possibly Thoth.

c. 4000 B.C.   Egyptian   Book of the Dead   King Thoth ruled an Island in the West which was destroyed by water, and brought the surviving rulers eastward to Egypt

In the Americas we encounter place-names like Atlan (Isthmus of Panama), Aztlan (Toltec mythology), Atitlan (Guatemala), and Aztalan (Wisconsin). The Americas are rife with such names; and while we should not assert that each and every one refers to Atlantis, neither should we jump to the conclusion that none of them have any connection at all with Atlantis. Scholars use these natural variations to claim that Plato invented Atlantis as a morality tale. Only recently I observed a Ph.D. assert that "Plato coined the name Atlantis," when he should know that Herodotus used the name (the same identical form) a hundred years earlier than Plato. I guess if you're agin' it, you're agin' it, and ain't nothin' gonna change your mind! Anyway, I suggest keeping these considerations in mind while perusing through the above references—I haven't chosen them lightly. · 
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Last update: 20 Apr 2007. [end quote]
 
Source link; http://www.atlantisquest.com/Timeline.html

Riv.=addendum by Riven.
3250.bC Narmer Palette from Egypt shows 10 fallen kings.
3100.bC Tomb 100 map from Egypt shows battle and ships
3000.bC Gebel el Arak knife found in Egypt shows battle and ships
2850.bC Cyclades island stone artifact (frying pan) shows map of Atlantis city surrounded by 5 mountains.

.111.[R].Atlantean Chronos by Paulo Riven.[R].111.


Critias speaking ca.420.bC as preserved by Plato ca.360.bC;

“My great-grandfather, Dropides, had the original writing, which is STILL IN MY POSESSION, and was carefully studied by me when I was a child”

“For the fact is that a single night of excessive rain washed away the earth and laid bare the rock; at the same time there were earthquakes, and then occurred the extraordinary inundation, which was the THIRD BEFORE the great destruction of Deucalion.”

“On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he (Solon) began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced THE GENEALOGY of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to COMPUTE HOW MANY YEARS AGO the events of which he was speaking happened.”

Egyptian Priest; “As for those GENEALOGIES of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children.”


150,000,000-3253.bC...Large Island of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean about 300 miles before the Straites of Gibraltar at the Josephine / Torre Seamounts estimated some 2000 x 1000 miles in area. First Garden of Umans and Animals.

3795....Attica (Athens) founded 9000 years prior to Solon (years = GENERATIONS = 2.79 conversion compared to modern Egyptian kings lists from Menes)

3437......Sais, Egypt founded 8000 years prior to Solon

####......Atlantean War begins

####......Atlantean war ends, Greeks victorious, countries liberated (could also be a result of the following flood)

3253..(3rd) Greatest disaster before Deukalion's flood. Great Flood of Noah (biblical), Hathor Flood Egypt, Mediterranean event, Atlantis sinks, Athens destroyed, Euphrates valley flooded, countries become liberated afterwards.

3200......Egypt records Atlantis in the Temple of Neith and The Sacred Registers.

####......Phoenicia, (Tyre, Byblos, Sidon), Eridu, Nippur, Nineveh, Uruk, Akkad, Malta,Crete etc, cities arise.

1754..(2).Flood of Ogyges (Eusebius, Africanus)

1628..(1).Santorini,Thera Volcanic eruption, Flood. Zeus, Poseidon and Typhon Gods created by Greeks.

####......Actaeon 1st king of Athens

1582......Cecrops -an Egyptian king of Athens

1574......Deukalion-king of thessaly

1529..(0).Deukalion's Flood

1522......Amphictyon-king of Athens after deukalion's flood

1209.....Battle of Troy

1190.....Great Mediterranean Depression resulting from Troy battle, remnant armies invade stockpiled Egypt as the Sea Peoples.

800.......Homer writes The Iliad and The Odyssey

750.......Hesiod writes Theogony

570.......Solon visits Sais and Pharaoh Amassis II(ca.564)-Atlantis legend revealed by Egyptian Head Priest Uadjahor-Resne.

570.......Anacreon the poet writes, "west to Gades and east to Bactria".

470......Hellanicus of Mytilene (Lesbos), writes a work on the account of Atlas' daughter named Atlantis.

440.......Herodotus writes Histories that accounts for Atalantes and Atarantean cultures around Lake Tritonis and Mt.Atlas.

420.......Critias II orates Atlantean story to Socrates in the amphitheatre, also in posession of Atlantis writing from great grandfather, Dropides, friend of Solon.

399.......Socrates poisoned

360.bC.......Plato writes Timaeus and Critias account of Atlantis, possibly in Syracuse,Italy while imprisoned by The Traitor Dionysius.

..0.......Jesus Christ, The Son of God

350.aD....Chalcidius preserves Timaeus in Latin (St Augustine?), most likely in Syracuse, Italy. In his Timaeus latin manuscript, Chalcidius penned Augustos rather than angostos for a straite.

850.........John The Scot Eriugena, (inspired by St Augustine and Pseudo Dionysus the Areopagite) escapes to France with Plato's works

1110......William of Conche writes Glosses on Timaeus, perhaps even in the margins on the Chalcidius latin manuscript.

1263.......Master Henry of Langely "bound" the Timaeus with the Song of Roland apparently from an ecclesiastical (Christian church) book of Marie de Oleneyd.

1528-1598.....Henri Estienne (aka Henricus Stephanus or Henry Stephens),16th century Parisian printer. In 1578 Plato's Dialogues published. Thesaurus Linguae Graecae in 4 volumes 1572, (and a supplement in 2 volumes). He improved old translations, or made new Latin translations, of many Greek authors.

1624......Sir Kenelm Digby inherited the transcript and transferred it to the Bodleian Library of Oxford. (Ms Digby 23, Selden cupboard)

1626......Francis Bacon, 1st Viscount of St Alban, publishes fictional work The New Atlantis about an island in the Pacific.

1804......Thomas Taylor, a banker / philosophist translated the latin texts of Plato into English from his avid interests in Kenelm Digby.

1871......Ben Jowett, translations

1882....Ignatius Donnelly publishes one of the best scientific views of Atlantis in Atlantis: The Antediluvian World. A year after Atlantis he published Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel.

1903....John Burnet's Greek works of Platonis Opera

1925....W.R.M.Lamb, Plato in 12 volumes

1929....R.G.Bury translations

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/



*My mistake,I corrected the date for the origin of Atlantis Island to 150 million rather than thousand. This is based on my calculations of a 2cm per year spread at the Atlantic Ocean mar and the distance between Africa and America today from when the Atlantic Ocean first began forming and with the Pangea tectonic plate theory for continental spread. Given the large size of Atlantis island it would have broken off from an old middle Earth position rather than being a newer volcanic island. Islands in the Atlantic average 125 million years of age.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/PangaeaThethys_PauloRiven_Atlantis.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Alluvial_Atlantis_100000bC_Riven_05.JPG)




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 19, 2010, 05:11:32 pm
We can see the comparison between ATAlantis or ATAlantean/ATArantean with TAtenen as "Risen Earth lands" based on the ancient root word of TA for Earth as it also is TAra or TErra for Europe or even the Mayans of S.America.

Thus TA = TAra/TErra = Earth or Land.

Where A is Origin or Risen as it would be for any phonetic sound or letter sign for the first letter of anyone's cultural alphabet. However we are dealing with the letter A and the translation of Atlantis into Egyptian.

The next meaning I proposed for the letter A is obviously the First or Foremost like Risen and Origin.

Therefore,ATAlantis is also Foremost Earth island as ATAlantean is Foremost Earth people that distinguishes those cultures by name as our oldest and Foremost ancestors with a worldwide identity for a common name like we use humans or people or civillians. They called themselves Atalanteans or Ataranteans due to the fact that some cultures have difficulty pronouncing certain letters like the L and also the speed that they say the word with.
For example,the Mayans say Atranteans or Atrantis if you listen closely.

So Atlas would not only mean Risen Earth Stone for Laas in Greek, but also Foremost Earth Stone that is evident by the ATlas Mountains of Morocco.
This term of Foremost we can find in names of Kings like ATlas for Atlantis, Alorus for Sumeria, Aeon for Phoenicia, Adam for the biblical patriarchs, Abraham for Babylon and Ausir for Osiris or the many different Gods and names of our countries with the letter A. If Osiris is Ausir,then we can apply the same meaning for Uranus or Ouranos as Auranos that relates to the first king of Atlantis in Evanor/Euanor to Ouanor and then Auanor or Aevanor. Ouranos or Saturn to the Greeks and Romans is the first and Foremost God westward of themselves and from the realms of the Atlantic Ocean just as Tatenen was westward of the Egyptians where in the Am-Duat or 12 gates of Ra's journey westward over the lands of Libya that was called Uranes by the Egyptians and contained the lands from Egypt's border to the Atlas Mountains. After Uranes was the realm of Khenti-Amenti or "Foremost of the Westerners". Therefore Atlantis would also have been known as "Foremost of the Western Islands" in the realm of Khenti-Amenti. We could even say that Khenti-Amenti was an Egyptian name for Atlantis where Thoth is said to have come from, perhaps as part of the Qadan cultures from ca.12,000.bC on their trek across Libya towards Egypt?

What we do see is that the First and Foremost King of Atlantis Evanor, compares to Ouranos,Osiris and we can even add the "fishman" who appeared to the Sumerians and gave them knowledge of survival in their myth of Oannes. That is if Oannes wasn't Menes who was also known as "Manfish" that is also another relation to the name of Memphis or Mennefer.Menes being the first king of Egypt is slightly different but not at all as we shall find and I already established how the letter A disguises the letter M for Egyptians. Atlas was also the first and Foremost Son of Cleito like Menes became known as the First and Foremost king of Egypt.

So the key relates to "Foremost" and "Gods" or even "Demi-gods" where many of those kings were looked upon as for all tribes such as we see the comparitive use of the Classical AE for Aegeans,Aecheans,Aegyptians,Aethiopians,Aesians,Aeropa,Aetlanteans or even Mayans and native indians as Aemericans. Mer or Mar meaning Sea,thus Foremost of Sea farers for their cross Aetlantic voyages. That is according to the ancient use of the letters AE as an example of how we can tie in all cultures from two letters.

It's actually amusing to think that the Egyptians gave up millenias of years for their cultural histories for a foreign nation like Greece to brand them as Aegyptos or "those who live below the Aegean". As we know that is not who they really are,although the AE does identify them as a common family just like the Egyptian Priest stating that "somehow Greece and Egypt were related".

As we learned from the Platonic dialogues,Solon looked into the meaning of the Eyptian names and translated them into Greek which then became latin and finally English. As it is also for the many names given to Egyptian nomes are derived from the Greeks,peculiarily enough. Now one thing I noticed is that for many cases, the Greek translation is not far off from the Egyptian word like Mennefer becoming Memphis.

The key that made me understand for our "Lion Tribes" of Atlanteans just as MAI means lion in Egyptian that reflects to the Mayans or MAIans,was in noticing how the Greeks translated the tenth nome of Lower Egypt known as Hut-heryib with the standard of a Black Bull (km-wr).

Hut-heryib = H.t-tA-Hr.t-jb that in Greek is AThribis. Obviously there is something wrong with the word Hut-heryib when we can see that TA is in the middle of it. Odd enough that we should find a Black Bull to be it's standard peculiar to the Apis bull worship as Atlanteans also worshipped and the 10th nome like the 10 kings. This also reminds us of the bull city of Prosopotis mentioned by Herodotus or Kom el Hisn (ImAw) near Naucratis, or Hwt-iHwt the first dynasty "Estate of the Cattle",all districts of the predynastic Libyan province of Marea (MAI/MAIA/MAYAN/MINOAN) just as Memphis also was. Coincidently,these would have been the tribes that Narmer took over which ironicaly displays 10 fallen kings on his palette and we can also reference the Libyan Tehenu palette.

Notice how alike AThribis compares to ATlantis that tells us that H.t is converted to AT and jb or ib for "heart" has an is ending like Isle for Island or IW in Egyptian. They are so close that all we would have to do is prove that we can change the Hr to Lan which at present I am unsure of but Hr.t would be a name for Hathor the "bull goddess of the nile floods".

However take note that AThribis is also known as Athlibis just like Atlantean and Atarantean.Athribis was also twin cities for upper and lower Egypt like the twin kings of Atlantis.Athribis in Upper Egypt was called Hut-Repyt while lower Egypt was Hut-Heryib.

Tell Atrib or "Hill" of Athribis dates back to the old kingdom that includes projects by Amenhotep III who ties into Greece, the earlier Ahmose who repelled the Hyksos and even King Amasis who gave us our Atlantean legend. It is about 48 miles north of Cairo and just northeast of the modern town of Benha on the Damietta Nile branch. However,like Sais,most of this town is also in ruins or lost with meager archaeological studies. Further north east we find the district of TAhla and Al MAnsurA where we find a monolithic lion image preserved in the ground some 2 x 3 stadiums in size, circular apartments adjacent to a race track in front of a canal peculiar to the Atlantean Royal City of Atlantis.

Athribis in upper Egypt was also known as Tripheion which could mean "triple walled"?, that would be peculiar to Atlantis and it's three walls of coated metals of tin,electrum and orichalcum.I am unsure what pheion means at present.

In 1908 Flinders Petrie translated the two towns as Hat-her-ab for "fortress in the midst" of the plain for Lower Egypt and Hat-repyt for "fortress of Repyt", where Repyt is a seldom known lion goddess. (compare MAI or MAIA)

Thus..HAt-tA--Hr.t-jb compares to;
........A-TA-LAN.T-IS.

Hwt or Hut is Egyptian for Temple or house alike the egyptian word of "pr"(per).
HAt is Egyptian for "front" or FOREMOST as drawn by the forepart of a seated lion!
Hr.t for Egyptians identifies a female by the suffix of .t as it is for Hathor. Thus Atlan.t can also identify to a female name as Atlantides or Atlantis was identified to the daughters of Atlas.

So HAt-tA-Hr.t-jb should mean Foremost + Earth + Hathor + Heart or "Foremost land of Hathor's Heart" or we can substitute the A for the W as Hwt or "Temple in the land of Hathor's heart" which identifies this locale as a central point to Hathor worship that is also pre-dynastic on a par with Sais and Buto that thrived ca.3000.bC.

I am not saying that Athribis was Atlantis but clearly showing how close the name compares to our Atlantean ancestors and how we can discover part of the Egyptian word for Atlantis with HAT and TA or "Foremost Earthland".

One thing I will say is that when you think about everything that Critias told you in relation to the city and plain of Atlantis, the Nile Delta rings out in comparison. Apportioned lots,irrigation systems,canals,bulls,laws,castes,temple contributions like Karnak,ships, etc all identifies Egypt as Atlantean relatives where we will also find more names peculiar to Atlantis in Egypt as we progress.

For now you have the first part of the Egyptian word in HAT-TA for A-TA -lantis.




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 20, 2010, 07:10:28 pm
Primarily, we should keep in mind how the many different translators of Plato's Timaeus and Critias effect the genuine meaning of the script from the original classical Greek and where Greek homonyms like our words also have different meanings. So some may say, before, beyond or upon the Pillars of Hercules for example.

No two translations are the same like Jowett,Bury,Lee,Taylor,Lamb,Platonis Opera,etc.

In my opinion,Ben Jowett's I do favor but he was also prone to mistakes.
Not only that but Critias combined the old with the new for the Critias dialogue for his speech to be more presentable and understanding for his audience of modern mindset.

Combine those two factors and you can see how it is more difficult to arrive at a common understanding of acceptance and not always that Plato was to blame for errors in the script but more likely the translators.

We don't have a link to the more detailed Critias dialogue like we do for the Timaeus in Chalcidius ca.350.aD that you can read over at Oxford's MS Digby 23 manuscripts website.

That in itself is almost as strange as to why Herodotus never spoke about Atlantis, but then again neither did Socrates. We can't say with certainty why that is other than perhaps all the wars in that era with the Persians and Darius I in Thrace at 492 and then at Marathon ca.490.bC,then his son Xerxes at 480.bC.
This was also no different for Solon's time ca.600.bC when he was battling with Megara over Salamis and his country was also in political unrest, hence Solon's reformations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Persian_invasion_of_Greece#Naxos

We also know that Solon did not finish the Atlantis legend that he intended to use in the format of a poem which adds to the political troubles at hand. It wasn't until Critias ca.420.bC orated the legend at the amphitheatre that the legend became more widely known. Those are good reasons why Herodotus and Socrates didn't recall the legend that was stored away and preserved by Critias II from his grandfather Critias I,from his great grandfather Dropides who received it directly from Solon.

Solon is dated from 638 - 558.bC and we do know from various authors including Herodotus ca.440.bC,that Solon departed for a 10 year voyage to Egypt and then to see Croesus the King of Lidya.

Herodotus Histories; Book I,Clio

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Solon the Athenian, who after he had made laws for the Athenians at their bidding, left his native country for ten years and sailed away saying that he desired to visit various lands, in order that he might not be compelled to repeal any of the laws which he had proposed. For of themselves the Athenians were not competent to do this, having bound themselves by solemn oaths to submit for ten years to the laws which Solon should propose for them.

30. So Solon, having left his native country for this reason and for the sake of seeing various lands, came to Amasis in Egypt, and also to Croesus at Sardis.



Bear in mind these quotes from wiki;
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"Our knowledge of Solon is limited by the lack of documentary and archeological evidence covering Athens in the early 6th century BC."

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After he had finished his reforms, he travelled abroad. His first stop was Egypt. There he visited Heliopolis, where according to Plutarch he discussed philosophy with an Egyptian expert on the subject, Psenophis.[160] According to Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias, he visited Neith's temple at Sais and received from the priests there an account of the history of Atlantis. Next Solon sailed to Cyprus, where he oversaw the construction of a new capital for a local king, in gratitude for which the king named it Soloi.[161]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon

Plutarch lives; ca90.aD.

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as an excuse for traveling, bought a trading vessel, and, having obtained leave for ten years' absence, departed, hoping that by that time his laws would have become familiar.

[26] His first voyage was for Egypt, and he lived, as he himself says,

Near Nilus' mouth, by fair Canopus' shore,
and spent some time in study with Psenophis of Heliopolis, and Sonchis the Saite, the most learned of all the priests; from whom, as Plato says, getting knowledge of the Atlantic story, he put it into a poem, and proposed to bring it to the knowledge of the Greeks.

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[31]"Now Solon, having begun the great work in verse, the history or fable of the Atlantic Island, which he had learned from the wise men in Sais, and thought convenient for the Athenians to know, abandoned it; not, as Plato says, by reason of want of time, but because of his age, and being discouraged at the greatness of the task;

[32] Plato, willing to improve the story of the Atlantic Island, as if it were a fair estate that wanted an heir and came with some title to him, formed, indeed, stately entrances, noble enclosures, large courts, such as never yet introduced any story, fable, or poetic fiction; but, beginning it late, ended his life before his work; and the reader's regret for the unfinished part is the greater, as the satisfaction he takes in that which is complete is extraordinary.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Lives_(Dryden_translation)/Solon#25


The same it is for our Atlantean legend or many studies of our interests,but we are fortunate enough to have had Plato preserve the legend that is written and documented for us to study and debate.

Solon was elected archon of Athens ca.594/593.bC.

Croesus is listed as king of Lydia ca.560-546.bC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croesus

If we consider as Leonardo (from unexplained mysteries forum) also mentioned Peisistratus the Tyrant ca.561 and Solon was gone for 10 years, and Amasis was seated at 569.bC, then it is clear that Solon's voyage was somewhere between 570 and 560.bC. Leonardo even failed to realize his own mistake of his insistence for 590.bC and his complaint of Uadjahorresne being too old. Uadjahor may have been around 50-60 years old when Solon visited ca.a more prominent 564.bC.

We know from Herodotus quoting Solon that the life expectancy for those days was 75 years of age,unlike 120 for us. Therefore a 60 year old man would appear as one who was of great age in comparison to Plato's writing about the Egyptian priest.

Evermore we at least have a record for 3 priests in Psenophis,Psonchis and Uadjahorresne.

Then again people will say they didn't exist nor did Solon visit Sais.

Neither did the Ramses kings exist or the Temple of Solomon and the pyramids are actually the capstones of larger buildings underneath. :)

Hope this helps some of your concerns.










 


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 20, 2010, 10:10:23 pm
Let's move ahead with our Egyptian understanding of how Solon translated Atlantis from the Egyptian meanings of the Atlantean names by the Risen arms hieroglyph for Atlas.

Consider the following suggestions;



(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Atlantis_glyphs_Riven09.jpg)


 A comparison between Menes and Atlas.

 

Another realization that we are faced with is that the names for our Atlanteans are only Greek translations of the "meaning" of the names from the Egyptians who also translated them from the Atlanteans. In other words, Atlas is not the first kings real name. Since Atlas can also mean Foremost of the People and my Latin bostrephodon translation of the kings names reveal that Mneseus played a more dominant role which also relates to Mnoans or Min-oans, I decided to take a closer look at Pharaoh Menes.

We should understand how Atlas can mean "to endure" from Greek for "Tlas" which was also translated from the Egyptian heiro-glyph of "risen arms" as symbolized in the titulars of Ptah, Geb or Shu and also in any name with KA like Seka or Menkaure. This risen arms heiro-glyph also goes back to pre-dynastic Egypt around 3500.bC or the Atlantean Double Falcon era as the Tehenu Libyan Palette reminds us.


Other meanings are;

ate-laas = ate; ruin, laas; stone, "ruined stone" (Greek)
at-laos = atte; father, laos; people "father of the people" (Greek)
Or Egyptian; Hat = foremost, first established, it = father
Hat-remet or at-laos would be "foremost father of the people".
A = origin, foremost, first established, sired, fathered, beginning.
khenti-amenti is also "foremost of the westerners".
epanateilantos = Greek for "risen land"
Tatenen = Egyptian for  foremost or primordial "risen land" or "God's Risen land" since Tatenen is also a God of Egypt.


We can also compare this to Memphis in it's older name of Hiku-ptah or Heka-ptah which can also be identified with Tatenen and Risen land.
The Heiro-glyph or a kneeling god with risen arms is H.H or Heh.
The Heiro-glyph of risen arms is also pronounced as KA.
We are aware that the Risen Arms glyph is not only considered to represent Shu, Geb or Ptah but also Atlas.
So in a sense, Hiku or Heka can also mean Risen which ironically, Heka is the magic of Egypt.
Memphis was where Pharaoh Menes established the first temple to the god Ptah on an island in the Nile Delta.

Pharaoh Menes also was married to Neit-hotep and built the first temple of Neith in Sais, Egypt.

I have also suggested how Atlantis can be interpreted in Egyptian as Hat.nt.iw for "foremost island of Neith".

Where iw in Egyptian means island like "is" at the end of AT-la-NT-IS can also be thought of as Isle or "iw".
The name Atlan.t (is) can also be considered a feminine name as clarified by the letter .t at the end for female or women in Egyptian or Semitic languages.

The relevance with NT or Neit is striking since we are also aware that not only is She mentioned in The Timaeus or Critias as being the same goddess worshipped by the Greeks as AThena, but also that She strongly represents Lower Egypt and is claimed to have originated in LIBYA, perhaps around the Atalantes regions of Lake Tritonis or somewhere near to Geb who also is associated with Libya.

(This is also a good point of how Plato or Solon had knowledge of AThena as Neith which was also evidenced in Linear B Mycenaean scripts)

This comparison to Neith is also strengthened by the fact that Atlantis ruled Europe up to Tyrhennia (Italy) and Libya (north Africa) up to Egypt as mentioned by Plato.
A strong fact that many ATlantis researchers ignore for their theories of Atlantis to be placed in far away locales like Indonesia, south or north Americas, Antarctica, Asia, the Black sea or even Greenland.

The other striking fact is that Pharaoh Menes can also be compared to Atlas.

The Glpyh for Mn = "enduring".

Mn Nfr = "enduring beauty".

Mn or Menes = "established"

Menes is also considered to be the "foremost or established father of Egypt" or the First pharaoh of the First Dynasty.

I have also shown the mysterious bostrephodon (backwards) names of our Atlantean founders in the critias which reveal a Latin hidden message that also suggest that MneSeus and Evaemon were the main Atlanteans. Mneseus, I translated as "memory of a god or warrior" which also compares to his Egyptian title of Hor-Aha or "Horus The Fighter". He also introduced the worship of the God, Ptah.

Eveamon was translated as "fortunate or favored woman" which can also be compared to Menes' wife, Neit-hotep.

It is also interesting to note that Abtu/Abedju or Abydos was also the cult center of the god Khentiamenti (foremost of the westerners) who was later compared to Osiris.
Abydos was the holiest city in Egypt during the 7th dynasty and had a canal from the river Nile up to the Temple of Seti I which was later usurped by Ramses II.

Another clue that links Menes to Atlas is also;

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Weneg-The flower-sign used to write his name "wng" was early on mistakenly replaced by a papyrus-plant glyph, changing his name to wadj-nes.
This was translated into Greek by Manetho into "outgot-las", which resulted in "Tlas" in the transcriptions.


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This is saying that "nes" transfers to "las". So Mn-nes would also be At-las.
Like Atlas having Atlantis named after him, so was Memphis called Mennefer (Mn nfr=enduring beauty) which relates to Menes. (enduring)

n = we/us/our; in Egyptian
n sp = together

(source; heiroglyphics.net)

At-las (laos/tlas) = foremost father (atte) enduring, (tlas) of the people (laos) = established, permanent.

Mn-Nes = enduring (Mn) of the people (ns). (foremost established father) it=father in Egyptian.

Hat.=foremost, front of;   Hat.ns = foremost of the people. At-laos = foremost of the people

Atlas = Menes

There are some interesting comparisons between the 10 kings of Atlantis and the First Dynastic kings of Egypt.
There is of course, a question of whether the 10 Atlantean kings names are in order as related by Critias.
Around 420.bC,Critias was able to study the original script passed down from 570.bC to rehearse for his presentation at the theater in front of Socrates which he orated from memory.
This also leaves a question of whether Plato was using the original script from Dropides to Critias also or a recorded script of Critias' live speech at the amphitheater.

Some of the Egyptian names like Menes, Djer and Merneith, seem to line up correctly while others do not.

Gadeiros would be in Phoenician, GA DR, meaning rich in goats. Djer was also spelled in some cases DR, where we also realize that J and I were interchangeable. So Gadeiros or Gad (j) r can also be thought of as Djer.

Queen Merneith lines up with Evaemon whose meaning suggests that it is a women's name. Considering 5 sets of twins were born to Cleito, it is highly probable that at least 1 of 10 would be a female child.

Diaprepes, meaning "written knowledge of God", strongly suggests that He should be matched up to Semsem (semerkhet), whose name means "priest of priests" or head priest. His heiroglyph, 7th in the Abydos list, is the only glyph for a king drawn entirely as a standing priest with a was scepter.

Den seems to suggest being lined up with Ampheres because he was known as the "two estates" and the first to use the "two ladies" nebty titular. His name by Manetho, Usaphais, also compares to Ampheres.

Raneb, being identified with the Sun could compare to Azaes.

These are the Atlantean and Egyptian names in order as recorded.

Atlas..............enduring, established..............Menes
Gadeiros.......rich in sheep/goats..................Djer
Ampheres.....to rest at both sides..................Djet (wadj)
Evaemon.......famous woman.........................Merneith
Mneseus........memory of god/warrior.........Den
Autochthon...earthborn...................................Merbiap (anedjib)
Elasippus......horserider..................................Semerkhet (semsem...Head Priest)
Mestor...........advisor/suitor..........................Qa'a
Azaes.............ashened......................................Hotepsekhemwy
Diaprepes.....knowledge of God....................Raneb
(optional)...........................................................Weneg

Atlas........................Menes
Gadeiros.................Djer
.................................Djet
Evaemon................Merneith
Ampheres...............Den
.................................Merbiap
Diaprepes...............Semsem
..................................Qa'a
..................................Hotepsekhemwy
Azaes.......................Raneb

Meni;.......................enduring, established, Hor-Aha, horus the fighter.......Menes
Djer;........................Hor-Djer, Horus who succours (rescues,aides)..............Iti...Kenkenes
Djet;........................Wadj, horus the snake/cobra.............................................Ita...Uenephes
Merneith;...............beloved by Neith
Den;........................horus who strikes, two estates, septi, udimu..................Usaphais
Merbiap;................Anedjib, safe of heart...........................................................meibis
Semerkhet;.............Semsem, companion of the gods, priest of priests..........semempses
Qa'a;........................extended of arm, qebehu /qheb
Hotepsekhemwy;....two powers at rest /satisfied.............bawnetjer.............boethos
Raneb;.....................lord of the sun, ra is lord, nebre, kakau, soul of bulls....kaiechos
khnumnetjer;.........Banetjer, ninetjer, Sacred ram..............................................binothris
Weneg;....................wadjnes, fresh of tongue?, outgotlas.................................Tlas

Memphis - Mennefer, Ineb-Hedj (The White Wall)
Ankh-Tawy (That which binds the two lands), Hiku-ptah > Aigyptos
(includes; Dahshure, Saqqara, Abusir, Zawyet el-Aryan, Giza, Abu Rawash, Mit-Rahina)
extended some 19 miles along the west bank of the Nile.
mn-nfr, Hwt-kA-ptH

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Queen Merenith ruled Egypt as regent when Den became king as a child.
There are, however, many scholars who think that Merenith was a ruler in her own right


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  Alternate theory for the Critias dialogue if Plato was sending a hidden message while imprisoned in Syracuse by Dionysius ca 360.bC by Paulo Riven.

The Secret of The 10 Atlantean Kings names from Plato’s Critias written 360.bC, (Critias = Latin = Hebrew Judges)

EvenorLeucippeCleitoAtlasGadeirusAmpheresEvaemonMneseusAutochthonElasippusMestorAzaesDiaprepes

Latin Boustrephodon (backwards)
se-perpaid-se-azar-otsem-suppi-saleno-h-th-cotua-suesen-mnomea-vesere-hp-masurie-dags-alt-aotiel-ceppicu-elron-eve

A 2,367 year old secret revealed from Paulo Riven.

Oftenly their ruler at his leisure would steal secretly to the Salentini secret society at the south east end of Italy with a band of brothers of the Macedonian army, while you were accustomed to your memory, towards evening in a galley with seven banks of oars.
The Marsians (tall male Germanic Scythians) and Dacians (lower Danube) , went to where the high altar's fire is lit by the Boeotian women, the muses of Aonia near mount Helicon and the spring of Aganippe, the resort of the muses by the river Cephisus in Boeotia to compose by candlelight in the evening.
 
 - Paulo J.Tx.Mn (Riven) 2007.aD. (8489.aJA).

Translating the message of The Kings Names in relation to the Helicon Muses and the hidden meaning of the names;

Evanor - The Ruler
Leucippe - The General
Cleito - The meeting Hill of The Helicon Muses
Atlas - near a tall mountain - Helikon
Gadeiros - by the throat of a river - Cepphisus
Ampheres - on one side of the river (WEST - Griffin Cultures / Cobra)

Evaemon - Cyrene Libyan Greeks and Iberrio Celtic Etruscans (Africa and Europe)
Mneseus - Atlantean Minoan Lord of The Mediterranean and Delta Nile (ref:Atlantis)

Autochthon - who are indegenious to these lands (Europe and Africa)

Elasippus - fought the horse riders on the other side of the river (EAST - Serpent Cultures / Vulture)

Mestor - the Persian Phoenicians Sumerians and Egyptians
Azaes - the Nubians and Arabians
Diaprepes - and the Aethiopians and India (Secrets of Tanzania / JA)

As you can see from the above translation, not only do we learn a secret about the politics in Plato's era, but we are also being told that Mneseus appears as the main Atlantean King.
 
Here's a revised list;

Atlantean____Egyptian___Egyptian meaning_____Greek meaning

 

Evanor______Menes____enduring, established____primeval firstborn

Leucippe____Neith_____she of the (white?) waters_white, horses, light of beauty

Cleito_______Tejat(i)___God’s favored, hill______Kings favored, hill

 

Atlas________Djet_____horus the snake_________Foremost of the people

Gadeiros_____Djer_____Hr Dr, horus who aides___Ga Dr great in sheep, shepherd

Evaemon____MerNeith__beloved of Neith________fortunate woman

Ampheres____Den______horus who strikes (nebty)_at both sides

Mneseus_____Semerkhet_companion of the gods___memory of God

Autochthon___Anendjib__safe of heart___________earthborn

Elasippus_____Qa'a_____extended of arm_________horse rulers

Mestor___Hotepsekhemwy_two powers at peace____nne middle, suitor, advisor

Azaes_______Raneb  "lord of the Sun"____________ashened, burnt

Diaprepes___Ninetjer____The One of God_________knowledge of God

 




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 23, 2010, 05:52:13 am
Egypt belongs to Atlantis.

The Mansion of Millions of Years

(http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/institutions/Ramesseum.jpg)

(http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/h/Hw.t-n.t-HH-m-rnp.wt.gif), was the mortuary temple of a New Kingdom pharaoh, replacing the ka-chapels,(http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/h/Hw.t-kA.gif), or the (http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/h/Hr.j.gif),the pyramid superstructures and their adjacent mortuary temples of earlier times.

Hwt.-n.t-HH-m-rnp-wt
Hwt.-kA
Hr.j

It was physically separated from the royal tomb, but housed at times the remains of esteemed courtiers: Senenmut's tomb was erected in the precinct of Hatshepsut's mortuary temple.
    Apart from serving as temples for the cult of the king, the Mansions of Millions of Years at Thebes were dedicated to Amen, who by this time had become a sort of a state god inextricably involved with the kingship, those at Memphis to Ptah, another creator god, and the Heliopolitan Mansions to Re. Other deities such as Hathor, Re-Harakhte, Anubis, and SOKAR were also housed in the Mansions at times.

Mansions of Millions of Years were expected to serve the kings forever–the Mansion of Amenhotep III's was also called Divine Temple of Eternity. Hw.t-nTr.k n.t Dt (your divine temple of eternity)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Atlantis_glyphs_Riven09.jpg)

ka-chapels were built since prehistoric times for royals and increasingly for other members of the elite, and for gods.
 
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From the borders of the heavens and the underworld I have come today, after passing by the ka-chapel of Hathor on which are fastened the four posts of the firmament." Coffin Texts, spell 378

(Remember Atlas,Shu,Ka and Ntr for God all relate to the Risen Arms hieroglyph Solon used for Atlas and Atlantis.-Riv.)

    Since the New Kingdom royal ka-chapels are rarely mentioned anymore, but their functions were not neglected. They were taken over by the Mansions of Millions of Years, where priests served the needs of the deceased king, strengthening and revitalizing his ka by offerings and rituals.
 
Colossi of Memnon, colossal statues of Amenhotep III which flanked the entrance to his temple at Thebes.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/TribesofAtlantis_by_Riven_folio.jpg)

During the New Kingdom the king was worshipped at Thebes as a local manifestation of Amen while he was still alive. He was not venerated as a person, but rather as an embodiment of divine kingship. As such he was referred to as "the God", pA nTr, "the Great God", pA nTr aA or just "Great God", nTr aA, like many deities. And just as gods were the lords of their cult centres, pharaohs too were assigned divine lordship over towns or countries: Amenhotep III for instance was called Nebmaatre-Lord-of-Nubia at Soleb. His name was written without a cartouche when his individual ka was addressed, the cartouche was drawn around it to denote the royal ka, which all pharaohs shared as divine rulers of the country and which had to be strengthened by ritual offerings and Sed-festivals of rejuvenation. The colossal statues, twt aA(t), most famously those of Amenhotep III or Ramses II, expressed this continuity of kingship.

(Amenhotep III ties in with Greece also-Riv)

Ramses III was not overly modest when he described the founding of his Mansion of Millions of Years at Medinet Habu which he dedicated to Amen-Re:

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I made for thee an august house of millions of years, abiding upon the mountain of "Lord-of-Life," before thee, built of sandstone, gritstone, and black granite; the doors of electrum and copper in beaten work. Its towers were of stone, towering to heaven, adorned and carved with the graver's tool, in the great name of thy majesty. I built a wall around it, established with labor, having ramps and [towers] of sandstone. I dug a lake before it, flooded with Nun, planted with trees and vegetation like the Delta.


His Mansion was conceived on an ambitious scale indeed; and even if most other pharaohs were not quite as extravagant, their continued building activities were a heavy burden on the New Kingdom economy. They tried to economize by using older, hopefully disused, temples as quarries.

(A traditon of Temple continuation passed on from Atlantis like the Temple of Karnak also-Riv.)

As going concerns Mansions of Millions of Years, like other temples, received huge initial endowments and, during the heyday of Egyptian military dominance in the region, they were occasionally given goods looted or extorted from the neighbouring countries. In the words of Ramses III:

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I filled its treasury with the products of the lands of Egypt: gold, silver, every costly stone by the hundred-thousand. Its granary was overflowing with barley and wheat; (its) lands, its herds, their multitudes were like the sand of the shore. I taxed for it the Southland (i.e Upper Egypt) as well as the Northland (i.e. Lower Egypt). Nubia and Zahi[came] to it, bearing their impost. It was filled with captives, which thou gavest to me among the Nine Bows,[18] (and with) classes which I trained by the ten-thousand.

Travellers like Diodorus Siculus,attracted by the marvels of Egypt, visited the temples in antiquity, Library of History I 47-49

Zahi or Djahi = Caanan

First use of the term
    The idea of wanting to spend millions of years for (and with) the gods is older than the mansions bearing that programmatic name. A First Intermediate Period inscription at Siut proclaims the making of
a monument (i.e. temple) for the souls of Anubis, that he (King Merikare) might spend for him (the god Anubis) millions of years, that he might repeat Sed Jubilees.(every 30 years for the Pharaoh-Riv.)
 
Inscription of Kheti I
    The first mention of a Mansion of Millions of Years is found on a statue of a 13th dynasty vizier who was allowed to set it up in the House of his Lord in the Mansion of Millions of Years 'Satisfied is the ka of Sobekhotep'. Later references all date to the New Kingdom, such as the second oldest reference, Ahmose I's inscription in the quarries of Tura, celebrating the opening of the quarry for cutting stones for his Mansion of Millions of ...., the lacuna having most probably contained the word Years, or Seti I's Nauri inscription decreeing:
 
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His majesty has ordered this Mansion of Millions of Years of the king of Upper and Lower Egypt Men-maat-re (named) 'Satisfied is the Heart at Abydos' to be equipped by water and by land in the nomes of Upper and Lower Egypt.

They were also known by epithets, such as Thutmoses III's Sacred Horizon.

The Mansions   
A pharaoh generally built just one Mansion of Millions of Years: of Thutmose I just one mortuary temple named "United with Life" is known which has not been preserved, Thutmose II's "Receiver of Life" lies between Qurnet Murai and Medinet Habu and Hatshepsut's "Holiest of Holies" was built at Deir el Bahri near the temple of Mentuhotep I.Thutmose III on the other hand erected three Mansions: the Henket Ankh ("Offering Life") at western Thebes, the Akh-menu ("Resplendent of Monuments") at Karnak, and the Djeser-Akhet ("Sacred Horizon") at Deir el Bahri.

It has been suggested that the Karnak temple was connected with the Amen cult rather than with the king's mortuary cult.It may have been built as an offering of gratitude for the victory at Megiddo and invested with the booty of that campaign; alternatively it may have been Thutmose's Sed-festival temple. Some parts of the temple were dedicated to Amen-Re, others to Re-Harakhte and Horus and still others to the funerary god Sokar.The room in the northern part of the Djeser Akhet temple, which in other Theban Mansions of Millions of Years corresponded to the solar chamber, seems to have served the royal cult, leading some to think that solar and royal cults were combined there. Little is left of Amenhotep II's "Receiver of Life" and Thutmose IV's mortuary temple has been destroyed. Of Amenhotep III's "Mansion which receives Amen and Elevates his Beauty" just a few ruins are preserved.

(http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/institutions/Abu_Simbel.jpg)

Akhenaten of course would not be seen dead in the company of Amen and little or nothing is left of the mortuary efforts of his 18th dynasty successors, Smenkhkare, Tutankhamen, Aye and Horemheb. Seti I's temple was named "Effective is Seti Merneptah in the Estate of Amen" and contained a chapel dedicated to Ramses I, whose reign was too short for building a mortuary temple of his own.

 Ramses II built more Mansions of Millions of Years than any other pharaoh. The Ramesseum, The Temple of Usermaatre-Setepenre which was named "United with Thebes" is one of the most impressive. Its hypostyle hall is, according to inscriptions, a resting place of the Lord of Gods in his Beautiful Festival of the Valley.

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What careth thy heart, O Amun, for these Asiatics so vile and ignorant of God? Have I not made for thee very many monuments and filled thy temple with my booty, and built for thee my Mansion of Millions of Years and given thee all my wealth as permanent possession and presented to thee all lands together to enrich thy offerings, and have caused to be sacrificed to thee tens of thousands of cattle and all manner of sweet-scented herbs?

 The temple at Abu Simbel too appears to have been a Mansion of Millions of Years, with the northern part of the temple assigned to Re-Harakhte and the southern dedicated to Amen-Re. Ramses II's son Merneptah built his mortuary temple, of which only the foundations remain, between his father's and Amenhotep III's, using the latter's Mansion as a quarry. No trace of a temple of Setnakht has ever been found. One of the best preserved Mansions of Millions of Years is the one of Ramses III at Medinet Habu named "United with Eternity". If Ramses II celebrated his military triumphs in the Levant in his funerary temple, his namesake gave thanks to the gods for deliverance from the Sea Peoples in his.

Source article; http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/institutions/mansion_of_millions_of_years.htm

Sokar (also Soker, Seker, Sekar, Sokaris)

(God in the Am-Duat in the realms of Khenti-Amenti where Atlantis was beyond Uranes,that is Egypt to Morocco)-Riv.)

ATLANTIS = TATENEN = WESTWARD LAND OF CREATION
Khenti-Amenti = Foremost of the Westerners. (HAt or the seated forepart of a Lion also means foremost)

ATLAS also relates to the rulers of the nomes who are referred to as nomarchs, variously called in Egyptian HA.tj-a.(Foremost like At-Laos would be "Foremost of the People")
 
    Originally, Sokar,was venerated in the region of Memphis,(once part of the Atlantean Libyan province of Maerea=Riv.), above all the local necropolis, and may have been a patron god of artisans–during the Old Kingdom he made the bones of the kings and became associated with Ptah;in the New Kingdom Book of the Dead he manufactured silver foot-baths for the deceased. He may also have been involved in the production of perfumes for the deceased:

"May Sokar make your smell pleasant";Tomb of Mehu, Saqqara.

He was probably also an earth and fertility god. Like Osiris, with whom he was associated early on, he became a god of the dead and of the underworld.

"Sokar-Osiris, Lord of the Secret Place (StA.yt), Great God, Lord of the Necropolis"Book of the Dead.

 Sokar was the personification of the underworld. Thus in the Book of the Dead Re enters Sokar daily:

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Greetings to you, who sets in the West, Father of gods!
May you join your mother in the mountain of the West!
Her arms receive you every day.
The image of your majesty (i.e. the sun) is inside Sokar.

The same papyrus speaks of the darkness, the kk.w,which is in Sokar,while according to Pepi I's Pyramid texts, spell PT 566, Sokar stands in the bow of Re's maat-barque.
 
Cult
.......Memphis was the god's cult centre.

 At Sokar's festival, which in Ninetjer's times was celebrated every six years but may have become an annual event later on,his bark, the Henu (translit. Hnw), was put on a sledge, loaded with a stone which may have been a representation of the god, and dragged through the fields. The procession was followed by people wearing strings of onions around their necks. Agricultural activities were symbolically enacted, such as hoeing the earth and digging irrigation canals. A harper's song refers briefly to the festival:
 
One says of you: "He has pulled Sokar's bark," when you put Henu on his sledge and went around the enclosure in his following, while Faience was on his chest.Harper's song from the tomb of Neferhotep

(The Atlantean Kings met every 5th or 6th year-Riv)

 In the Book of the Dead dragging the god on his sledge was considered one of the laudable deeds improving the deceased's chances in the underworld:
 
I have opened the caves of Hapi.
I have freed the path for the Aten.
I have dragged Sokar on his sledge. Book of the Dead.

 Osirian corn mummies were buried in the ground in ceremonies related to rebirth. Corn mummies of Sokar-Osiris were at times hidden in Sokar statuettes. For the enactment of the Osirian mysteries during the Khoiak festival Sokar figurines were made, according to how the goddess Shentayet had formed Sokar's body: spices, dates, precious stones and metal were added to clay from which an egg was formed, which was then divided into fourteen parts.

 Since the New Kingdom the festivals of Sokar, above all the one in the Theban necropolis, had become quite important and may have been second only to the Opet festival;but Sokar was above all connected with the royal mortuary cult and the scarcity of Sokar scarabs suggests he did not inspire the populace at large to any great extent in a non-mortuary context.
 

From the Amduat: Sokar in a cave of the underworld guarded by the double-headed Aker,(twin lions-Riv.) overcomes a snake of chaos.
Tomb of Thutmose III at Thebes.
(http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/religion/gods/sokar.jpg)
 
 The first depictions of the god date to the New Kingdom.Sokar was shown in the shape of a falcon, apparently his original form, sitting on a stone. In the Amduat he has the form of a man with a falcon head, at times his body is mummiform.He was also represented as a human or falcon head emerging from a mound.

 As Ptah-Sokar-Osiris he is at times shaped like a pigmy.[10] He is also depicted as an earth mound at times, supporting a boat with a hawk's head. As early as the Old Kingdom Sokar was connected with Osiris: Sokar was the name of Osiris after he had been killed by Seth.They found Osiris after his brother Seth had thrown him to the ground in Nedit, when Osiris Pepi said: "You shall go away from me!", his name Sokar coming into being.Pyramid of Pepi.

The pun on "go away from me", zj=k r=j serving the Egyptians as 'explanation' for the name Sokar, zkr.
Known as Ptah-Sokar-Osiris since the Middle Kingdom. the god was depicted as a mummy with a human head, wearing a double feathered crown. As Ptah-Sokar his consort was Sekhmet.(Lion Goddess)

 A text from a temple library calls him Sokar, Lord of the Horizon. In the Amduat he is He who is upon his sand. He is also referred to as He of Rosetau, Rosetau, R'-sTA.w, being the entrance to the underworld. He was also the Great God with his Two Wings Opened.

Source; http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/religion/sokar.htm

Amen
(Amon, Amun, Ammon, Amoun)
    Amen's name means "The Hidden One." He was a local Theban god from earliest times, and was viewed (along with his consort Amaunet) as a primordial creation-deity by the priests of Hermopolis. (ref; Ogdoad)
Another possible derivation of his name might come from the Libyan aman, water, hence his occasional depiction as a goose. He is also shown as an ithyphallic fertility god, as a ram or ram-headed, again referring to creation and fecundity, or as a snake when he bears the name Kematef.

(Libyan Aman ties JA MN to Atlantis just like Ammon-Riv.)

Amen according to the older Theban traditions, was created by Thoth as one of the eight primordial deities of creation (Amen, Amaunet, Hah, Hauhet, Nun, Naunet, Kau, Kauket). Later traditions cast him in the role of self-created creator, who shaped the ordered world out of chaos through **** and self-fertilisation.
As creation god he assumed at times the name of Kematef (Greek Kneph) and was depicted as a snake.

(Interesting to notice that Kematef compares to Kemet for Egypt's name where combined we have "land of the black snakes"-Riv)

Compare Ethiopian (Cepheus or Kepheus = Head God) Husband of Cassiopeia. (Riv)

I AM THAT I AM = AMEN = IMN = JMN = JA MN = Head God Creator. (Riv = AeJor Mn)

Budge saw the Amen of the 19th and 20th Dynasties as an invisible creative power which was the source of all life in heaven, and on the earth, and in the great deep, and in the Duat, the Realm of the Dead, and which made itself manifest under the form of Ra. He was considered to be the protector of any pious devotee in need.

Akhenaten seems to have discouraged the worship of all gods but Aten, especially that of the state god Amen, thus entering into open conflict with Amen's powerful priesthood.(explains why he looks like an alien hermaphrodite?-Riv.)
 
 After his death Ay, Tutankhamen's vizier, replaced Akhenaten's monotheistic cult of Aten with the traditional polytheistic religion. Akhetaten, the centre of the Aten monotheistic cult, was abandoned, the capital was returned to Thebes, and the cults of the state god Amen and other gods were revived. The king himself changed his name from Tutankhaten ("living image of Aten") to Tutankhamen ("living image of Amen").
 
 Amen, Ptah and Re formed a new triad in the New Kingdom, with Ptah and Re losing their separate identity and merging with Amen, who during the Third Intermediate Period when the Theban priests ruled part of Egypt became a universal god. Especially widespread was his worship in the south and the Kushite kings used their orthodoxy to gain acceptance from the powerful priesthood. Amen, as the national Egyptian god, was a powerful symbol of Egyptian independence and often rebellions against foreign rulers were fomented by his adherents. Thebes was sacked by the Assyrians and by Ptolemy IX after such unrest.
 Amen, identified with Zeus by the Hellenists, lost many followers to Isis, who became popular among Greeks and Romans. His worship was finally eclipsed by the advent of Christianity in Egypt (same for Jainism replaced by the bible-Riv.)
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Pr-Ankh (Per-Ankh; House of Life)

(The Sacred Registers described by the Egyptian Priest in Plato’s Atlantis dialogues would be the House of Life-Riv).

Houses of Life are known to have existed at Abydos, Akhmim, Esna, Edfu, Koptos, Memphis, and Akhetaten, the last the only one to have been identified as such by archaeologists [3] thanks to pr-anx seal impressions on the bricks of the building's walls. Despite the small number of known Houses of Life, it has been suggested that all sizable towns and major temples had one.

There were seemingly Houses of Life, which were part of temples and others which were at least physically separated from any temple. (Such in case The Temple of Neith-Riv.)

There are four mansions of life at Abydos, (each) is built four stories high and is internally waistcoated with palm wood.
There are four mansions of life, Osiris is master thereof. The four houses are Isis, Nephthys, Seb and Nu. Isis is placed in one, Nephthys in another, Horus in one, Tahuti in another, at the four angles: Seb is above, Nu is below, The four outer walls are of stone. It has two stories, its foundation is sand, its exterior is jasper, one is placed to the South, another to the North, another to the West, another to the East.

(http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/institutions/pSalt_825.gif)

It is very hidden, unknown, invisible, nothing save the solar disk sees it. It escapes men that go there. The Sun's librarians, the Treasure Scribes are within.

Houses of Life, where the sacred books, also referred to as Souls (bA.w) of Re, were kept.

The House of Life was an ancient institution. The first appearance in writing of the term dates to the late Old Kingdom, when the requirements of a House of Life connected to a temple of Min are mentioned in decrees of Pepi II.Nowhere is there a description of the institution's functions, but these can be guessed at from many literary references throughout history and seem to have included the storing and production of books, and the teaching of scribes and priests.

 The oldest connection known between the House of Life and writing is made on a Middle Kingdom stela which gives a certain Keku the title of scribe of the House of Life. At the same time another scribe had the title of Chief Physician which points to the institution having had medical aspects such as the reproduction of medical texts and the formation of healers throughout its history, more so as during the Late Period the scribes Peftauawyneith and Wedjahorresnet, both bearing the title of Chief Physician, were involved in the restoration of the House of Life.

(Wedjahorresne or Udjahorresne was the Head Egyptian Priest at Solon's meeting with Amasis II-Riv.)

As is only fit for an institution of learning, the god Khnum and the goddess of writing Seshat both bore the epithet of Foremost of the House of Life. There was a hall or booth, a  (zH), where offerings were presented to the gods of the House, among whom were Amen-Re, Isis, Horus. and Sekhmet, goddess of healing. A slaughterer was attached to the House of Life, who, by slaughtering bulls, would increase the life force of the place, or decrease evil by ritually butchering animals embodying evil during execration ceremonies.

(Bulls were also slaughtered for the Opening of the Mouth Ceremony-Riv.)

As a holy place the House of Life had to be entered respectfully and unauthorized persons kept out:
It shall be very, very hidden.
No one shall know it, no one see it.
Apart from the sundial (i.e. the sun disk) that gazes on its secret.
The officiating priests ... shall enter silently, their bodies veiled,
So that they shall be protected against sudden death.
The Asiatic may not enter, he may not see anything.


 According to tradition, time and again people went to the House of Life to consult ancient writings, when they needed answers to problems of their day. Thus Imhotep, the 3rd dynasty sage, did not send an expedition to the sources of the Nile to find the causes for a great drought, but–according to the Ptolemaic Famine Stele–rather studied the sacred texts, discovering that Khnum was in charge of the source of the Nile, deemed to be at Elephantine, and needed to be placated.
   
Ramses IV is known to have studied the Annals of Thoth in the House of Life at Abydos:
"Lo, this Good God, excellent in wisdom, like Thoth he has entered into the annals [/// ///], he has perceived the records of the house of sacred writings..."
 
Copying old books was one of the main raisons d'être of the House of Life. The popular Books of the Dead were since the New Kingdom among the most often reproduced pieces of writing.

House of Life had its own hierarchy, the scribes, hierogrammateis (writers of sacred writings)/b] as the Greeks called them, had their superiors, though there are not enough records to enable us to figure out the ranking system. At any rate, Iha, the overseer of the private rooms of the king, bore the title of 'overseer of writing in the House of Life, a man to whom all sacred matters are revealed', and Mentuhotep, a subject of Senusret I, was 'keeper of secrets of the House of Life'.
Some of the scribal education at last, probably the more advanced studies, seems to have taken place in the Houses of Life.

 The literary Wunderkind Si-Osire, who at the age of two was perceived to have an IQ of 150–the story goes: When he was two [years] old, (people) said, "He is three years old"– appears to have done extraordinarily well at school:
The ch[ild Si-Osiri] grew (and) [he] began (?) to learn magic (?) with the scribes of the House of Life in the temple of Ptah (?) [made] wonder [of] the world at him...and being exceptionally gifted Si-Osiri soon outstripped his teachers. The second story of Khamuas

Khamuas: Khaemwase, son of Ramses II and Isis-nefert. He died in the 55th year of the reign of his father. He was sem-priest of Ptah and chief artificer.

It’s a little lengthy but an amazing story and here’s the link if you’re interested-Riv; http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/khamuas.htm

Si-Osiri or more properly Sa-Osiri means Son of Osiris or in other words, Son of a God.

(Remind you of Jesus in The Gnostic Gospels of Thomas? There is also another Gnostic text of Jesus citing the Egyptians as his chosen children.-Riv.)

Then again you’ll need to know the Atlantean Secrets of The Temple of the Million Years of Mn.

Paulo Riven
AeJor Mn
The Argo Wind
White Dragon
Obsidian Dragon Slayer
Water of The Garden of JA MN
Sa-Ja Mn
Sword of Avila

Pray With God Ja Mn
Worship No Stone
Command No Death
Love Thy Neighbour
Preserve Our Histories

AMEN

Tribes of Atlantis; https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/

.111.[R].Riven The Seer and Royal Bloodline to Atlantis.[R].111.




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 24, 2010, 04:20:12 pm
Giza also referred to as Rosetau

Sokar

- One of the oldest deities known in Egypt who gave rise to many Gods like Ptah,Osiris,Thoth and Horus.

- Originally a God of the Atlantean Libyan province of Maerea at Memphis. Saqqarra is named after Sokar.

- Associated with rebirth,primordial mound,sacred boat (Henu barque) and patron of craftsmen and metalworkers that links him to Hephaestus and Vulcan (Ptah). Hephaestus and Athena "seeded" the Greeks where Hephaestus and Neith "seeded" lower Egypt.

- His realm was in the 4th and 5th hour of the Am-Duat and reached via Rosetau (Rostau). Giza is also referred to and constructed after Rosetau and Sokars realm of Atlantis.This was portrayed by the undeground passages of the Pyramid to Khenti-Amenti and the Temples under the Sphinx where a "Circular" temple is mentioned in Masonic diagrams from the 1930's.

- Rosetau would be comparable to a name for the Canal of Atlantis from the Ocean to the Royal City.(Khenti-Amenti)

Have a look at this website with Masonic diagrams from 1930's of the temples under the Sphinx.
http://www.lostchord.org/ROSTAU/rostau.html

(http://www.lostchord.org/ROSTAU/images/img11.jpg)

Large image of underground temple and pyramid layout;
http://www.lostchord.org/ROSTAU/images/rostau3.gif


The Dream Steles,including the one missing next to Thutmose IV's stele as seen on the 1818.aD,Cavigllia sketch, all show the Sphinx sitting on top of a Temple.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1244610933894/what-is-atlantis/cavigllia%201818ad_PauloRiven.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1244611276057/what-is-atlantis/missing%20stele_cavigllia%201818ad_PauloRiven.jpg)

Sphinx Today;
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1244364040572/what-is-atlantis/Dream%20Stele.jpg)

Missing Sphinx north west of the Red Pyramid of Saqqarra.
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/what-is-atlantis/Missing%20Red%20Lion%20Sphinx%20of%20Avila%20Atlantis%20by%20Riven05.JPG)

The realm of Sokar is guarded by the two Aker lions. The realm of Sokar is a 'secret chamber', so secret that the sun god Ra(Aten)himself is denied access where Ra was to be reborn with "Truth".(Sokar-Atlantis- Lower Egypt's Origins- Maerea)
 
- compare the Egyptian "Mai" for lion with MAeria,MAuretania,MAyan or even to say MAinoan as a reference to Atlantis and the 10 Lion kings (Deuka-Lion) or her history into the age of Leo ca.10,000.bC and MAia the eldest daughter of Atlas preserved in the Pleiades 7 star system. The Mayans relate a story of how we came from the Pleiades that included Atlanteans,which is ironic to the term mentioned in Critias of the Atlanteans founding their Temple where "they first saw the light".

-The Sokar "10" day festival was originally every 6th year that included the slaughter of bulls and parallels Atlantean traditions of the "10" kings of Atlantis who met every 5th or 6th year and sacrificed bulls over the pillar of Neptune's laws.(Nun)


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In the festival of Sokar, besides the circumambulation of the walls of Memphis, there was at some point in the ten day festival, ceremonies at a Sokar-Osiris tomb, known as the Shetayet, in the Memphite necropolis, specifically at Rostau. The French Egyptologist, C.M. Zivie, believes that Rostau is located in the region of Gebel Gibli, about half a mile south of the Great Pyramid and the site of the so-called southern hill at Giza, this prominent hill is the only point on the plateau that all nine pyramids can be seen from, it is interesting to note therefore concerning this area, that Petrie found:

"many pieces of red granite, and some other stones scattered about the west side of the rocky ridge, as if some costly building had existed in this region."

It is also interesting to note that the name Rostau was applied to an ancient village, later known as Busiris,

The most telling part of the tale comes half way through. It describes the area where Thutmose is resting as the 'Setepet', or the sanctuary of Hor-em-akhet, which he details as being 'beside Sokar in Rostau'. Sokar, as we have seen is an early Egyptian god of the dead and an integral figure to our whole quest for the 'secret chamber', Rostau, again as we have pointed out, being the ancient name of the Giza Plateau. Thus, the Stele intimates that the Setepet, or the sanctuary of the Sphinx, was 'beside' Sokar, but where? The next few lines of the stele hold the answer.

http://www.rostau.com/sokar.html

The text describes the goddess Neith as 'mistress of the southern wall'. Again, we are being given geographical references to what can only be the Wall of the Crow. It continues: 'Sekhmet, presiding over the mountain, the splendid place of the beginning of time'. Could it be that the 'mountain' was in fact our southern rocky hill? Was this 'the splendid place of the beginning of time'? And what was meant by 'beginning of time'? It is also interesting that it is the goddess Sekhmet that 'presides over the mountain', as in the various eighteenth dynasty tomb depictions of the fourth and fifth hours of the duat, it is a female figure that seems to encompass the hill of Sokar.

There is one truth that still remains, it endures even though Man has done his best to obliterate and destroy it, because it's language humbled even the greatest conquerors. I'm talking about the mathematics of the Giza Pyramids. The only language which can not be corrupted, wherever, or whenever, you are. Mathematics was the original language of nature and the only way the Pyramid Builders could send the message they so desperately wanted us to find, the location of Sokar, in , "The Splendid Place of the Beginning of Time".

The Giza Pyramids serve one ultimate purpose, to indicate the Gateway to the Underworld by pure geometry. The number system that is encoded in the dimensions and positions of the pyramids of Khufu, Khafre and Menkaure, their satellites, temples and enclosure walls, form a geometrical picture that ties together the geometries of the pentagon, hexagon and heptagon, in other words, five, six and seven. Sacred geometry was the fundamental of Egyptian mathematics, the hieroglyphic symbol for the Duat is a five pointed star enclosed within a circle. The "hidden circles of the Duat" and the constructs that can be formed within them comprise "the many paths of Rostau".

'Rostau' is a four thousand cubit diameter circle and square centered on the Great Pyramid. 'Sokar' (the names we have given these constructs) is another, interlocking, 4000 cubit diameter circle and square that creates a "Vesica Piscis", or the "Eye of Horus". Together they comprise the Duat . The center of this second circle is a very precise location , exactly 800 royal cubits south of the north east corner of the Sphinx temple. It is at the base of the vertical northern face of a hill called Gebel Gibli, this hill we believe to be the original "mound of creation". The "Wall of the Crow", or "Southern Causeway", leads to this place. The measurements from this point offer absolute conclusive proof that there is something to be found beneath the sand and debris that has accumulated at the base of the hill over several millennia. The Giza pyramids form a mnemonic computer, where the placement of every structure indicates the next step to be taken in a sequence that harmonizes and integrates the different geometrys.

(http://www.rostau.com/pentamap2_gp.gif)

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At the Spring Equinox sunset of 1998 I stood at the "Gateway" and watched the shadow of G3A, the easternmost of the three satellites of Menkaure's pyramid, touch my feet as the sun disappeared over the western horizon. That shadow has a measure, it is 1881 cubits long. The length of the Grand Gallery in the Great Pyramid is 1881 inches . The vertical angle of the Grand Gallery is 26.33 degrees, the angle from the Gateway to the Great Pyramid is 26.33 degrees, it is the angle generated by the ratio 1: 2, or the angle across a double square. The floor of the King's Chamber is a double square which measures 10 x 20 royal cubits. Everything on the Giza plateau is commensurate to a singular system which describes the universe as the Pyramid Builders saw it and measured it, and then they constructed their model of the Cosmos with such precision that the Great Pyramid itself plays a tune.



jmntyw, imntiu, imentau, iment iw, imntt = imenti = Amenti

ament iw = western(imnt) island(iw)

khenti-amentiw = Foremost of the western island

imn = jmn = JA MN = GOD or Foremost Father

HAt ntr iw = Foremost of God's island = Khenti-Amenti

Foremost = forepart of a lion = HAt.
Ruler = HAt.j
AT-Laos(Greek) = Foremost of the people

w3t St3t nt t3 Skr - "The Secret way of the land of Sokar" = Atlantis

Sokar(Seker)-"cleaning of the mouth" = truth

The Ba and Ka, or the "personality" and the "life force" would be reunited as a kind of "enlightened" entity, or Akh.

TA (Tara/Terra) = Earth or Land = TAtenen = ATAlantis = Risen Primordial mound of the western Ocean (Sokar's Realm)

Deukalion-Apollo-Maia > A I AM OLLO PA NO ILA KU ED > As I Am, Look to our Island that I gave you.

The word Atlantis broken up into syllables Aa-ta-la-na-ta-ia-sa
Re: Basque Translation by Riven

"The main evergreen forest is born a joyous miracle at dawn the abundant
monument increases to unite the future arrival and remain loyal to the secret of creation."


We are All Atlantean, so it is that Sokar's mouth means Truth.
 





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 25, 2010, 04:24:46 am
A field in the Am-Duat is mentioned as being 220 measures long by 300 measures wide.

Earth equatorial circumference = 40,075 km / 24,901 miles / 24 = 1037.5 mph
12,450.5 miles = night or day travel
The Sun would travel at 1037.5 mph.!! (powered by a big block Chevy 454) :)

Each field = 1037.5 miles / 220 measures = 4.72 miles per measure
300 = 1,416 miles (Kerma, Sudan to Inegol, Turkey)
Roughly Azores Islands to Cape Verde.

A field would be 1037.5 miles long by 1,416 miles wide beginning at the Sphinxes head.

4th field reaches Rastau = 3,112.50 miles from Giza Rastau.

1) Net-Ra (water of Ra) Ends near Tripoli, Libya.

2) Uranes (Great endurance or abundance?) Ends in Gourrama, Morocco.

3) Net Neb Ua Kheper Aut (water lord who is born of Aut?)
Ends near the Madeira/Josephine/Torre seamount

4) Ankhet Kheperu (birth of being?)
Ends near the mid Atlantic mar

- road of the secret things of Re-Stau.
- descending passage of Re-Stau (Rosetau/Rostau/Rastau)
- first door, Mates-Sma-Ta
- second door, Metes-Mau-At
- third door, Metes-En-Neheh

Rastau, or the passage to the kingdom of Seker, can be compared to the Canal of Atlantis from the Ocean. The 3 gates would compare to the 3 concentric walls coated with Tin, Electrum and Orichalcum. This should also mean that to enter the Temples under the Sphinx at Giza you would have to pass through 3 doors to reach the Circular Temple in reflection of Seker’s realm or Atlantis. No doubt we know what was in the Hall of Atlantean Records that is kept hidden, so they thought, eh Zawi?

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"Those who are in this picture, in their forms of their bodies, are the hidden [travellers] upon the way of the holy country whose secret things are hidden. They are the guardians of the way of the holy [land] for those who enter into the hidden place of the Tuat, and they keep ward over Anpu in his forms as he tows them along, when he entereth in by them in the holy land."

Here Atlantis or the Realm of Seker is referred as “The Holy Land” that identifies her with God’s Land and our First Garden of Creation.
(HAt Ntr Iw = Foremost of God’s Island = At-laNt-Is) HAt in Egyptian = At in Greek which also identifies the letter A as Risen or Foremost.

5) Ament ends before Bermuda in line with Neptune's Trident seamount.

Neith is present with Her Northern Crown (Red Crown)

The Land of Seker;
Oval Island surrounded by a river canal with a primordial mound or hill above that has the head of a woman facing to the right.
The Oval island reflects the concentric city of Atlantis and Atlantis island while the hill and the goddess would be Cleito whose name also transfers in meaning as “sloping hill” aside of “Emperor’s favorite”. Neith or Maat would be Leucippe.

(http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/bat/img/10300.jpg)

7 gods and 7 goddesses tow the boat around the canal.
14 is the number of days for our Waxing Moon, thus Osiris was cut into 14 pieces.

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“This mysterious oval is supposed to rest upon the bodies of two man-headed lion sphinxes set tail to tail; of these, however, only the heads and fore quarters appear, one at each end of the oval. Each sphinx is called AF, and he is said "to have his existence from the voice of the great god," and "his work is to keep ward over his image."

By the way there has to be a Sphinx gazing west since Giza is modeled after Rastau and Seker's realm, that is missing. Seker's oval realm was guarded on either side by the two Akhet seated lions on either horizon of east and west to protect Ra's passage. Today we only see a Sphinx gazing east.

When I first began my Atlantean research in 2003 and thru 2004, I had already modeled our Island as some 2000 x 1000 miles in area with the Royal City based at the Josephine / Torre Seamount some 3-400 miles before the Pillars of Hercules as Plato preserved. At first this was done by merely out lining the islands of the Azores, Madeira, Canaries and Cape Verde. Critias told us in his description of the Atlantean plain that it was some 345 x 230 miles in area and that it was near the center of the island on the eastern shore facing Gades, Spain in a some what southerly fashion. That identifies the length of the island as a minimum of 1000 miles x 500 miles or some 3000 miles of coastline as compared to my 6000 miles of coastline for my island, where we can also use the coastline as a basis for our meaning of  “greater in extent” than Libya and Asia’s Mediterranean coastline for one thesis.

The newer studies this last year of the Am-Duat or Ra’s Journey to Atlantis where he is reborn with Truth, reveals to us as noted in the above measurements that
A field was also 1,416 miles wide by 1037.5 miles long and the fields of Rastau and Amenti or the 4th and 5th hours where Atlantis Island was combines for a measurement of 2,075 x 1,416 miles.
Rosetau, or where the Canal began and Atlantis Royal City some 7 miles after, would be at the Josephine / Torre Seamount and quite identical to the island on my map that also pinpoints the Royal City at the Josephine Seamount.

Isn’t that strange?

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Alluvial_Atlantis_100000bC_Riven_05.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Atlantis_Royalcity_PauloRiven.jpg)


In case you don't quite understand, Egypt, the Delta Nile, Saqqara the Pyramids and the Sphinx were all modelled after the Royal City and Advanced knowledge of Atlantis as all the above research proves and why Menes and Neith preserved the names in Maerea.

The Pyramids and Orion is just a distraction for you like the face on mars. :)
Just like the 2,500 year old lie about our True God JA MN or AMEN.

The Truth Shall Set You Free


 


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 26, 2010, 04:06:24 am
Brig;
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Should I remind you that Plato translated the true name of Atlantis into Greek. Atlantis was not the factual name of Atlantis. Trying to tie other names into the name "Atlantis" is counterproductive.

Seriously Brig,don't make me laugh. You know why you don't understand?
Because you don't stand under and look at what's over your head. :)

Also, Solon translated the name of Atlantis into Greek from the Egyptian word, not Plato who "preserved" the legend.

Can you tell us Brig,what the name of Atlantis was in Egyptian?

There are two names for the Egyptian that stand out.

HAt.nt.iw (Foremost island of Neith) or HAt.ntr.iw (Foremost island of God)

or;

Khenti-Amenti (Foremost of the Westerners),who is an Egyptian God also.

Amentet - an Egyptian Goddess of the west.

imnt means west and imnty means western or Ament and Amenti.

HAt mean in front of or "foremost" in Egyptian.
The Greeks translate HAt into "At" as in Hat repyt for Athribis, see?

Therefore we can also accept At as meaning "foremost".

HAt.j or Hati, means a nomarch or mayor of an egyptian nome. And what is a mayor,president or king? Foremost ruler.

Atlas was the "Foremost king" of the 10 kings, right?
Hat is At so you can also see how HAt.j is like ATlas also,not only in meaning but also translated form Egyptian to Greek.

Laos in greek is people, thus ATlas is the Foremost of the people like ATlantis is foremost of God's island or foremost of a water island since net is interpreted as water by egyptologists.

The I in imenti also translates into an A, since we say Amen for imn.
Mn or Min or Menes are also the foremost god and king respectively of Egypt and imenti means westward from Egypt. So imenti can also be interpreted for Atlas or khenti-amenti or HAt imenti for ATlantis.

Do you really stand under that so far?

To make it more confusing Brig, imn is translated by egyptologists as jmn but they tell you imn or Amen. I and J and Y all interchange as you know.
I don't need to explain to you who JMN or AMEN really is right? Okay.

Let's move on dear friend.

The Am-Duat or Tuat is the Egyptian story of the Sun's journey over the western lands or the voyage of the 12 hours. Not only is this a fantastic story but it is also a record of how the Egyptians viewed the lands westward of themselves and most importantly, what they were calling them and what words they used for the different fields or Gods and Goddesses.

The Sun in the 4th hour reached the secret entry way of Rastau in the Atlantic ocean and in the 5th hour it was in Amenti. Those two fields identify positively with the island of Atlantis as the western sacred land of the Gods or Tatenen. It was here that the Sun or Ra was reborn with "Truth". According to the Am-Duat, Amenti or Amentet is the name of Atlantis where Seker's realm was in the middle and at a Primeval mound topped by a woman's head just like Cleito and the Royal City of concentric circles were started near a primeval mound. See?

TAtenen is also a westward creation mound from Egypt and a God.
TA means Earth or Land in Egyptian, like Tara or Terra for most of the world.

The T in aTlantis or aTArantis also identifies with Tatenen and Earth.
So Tatenen can also be used as a word for Atlantis.

Tatenen,Hat.ntr.iw and Khenti-Amenti are all Gods and the proper hierogylph is the God with "Risen Arms" that gives you "he who endures" or holds up the heavens like Atlas or Shu. Min or Menes also means "established" or "enduring" like Atlas.

On the other hand the last "T" in Atlantis or the "is" give it a feminine name also because the T was used by the Egyptians to denote a women such as;

Hm ntr for priest of god and Hm.t ntr for a priestess. Thus,Atlan.t is a feminine name which also compliments "nt" for Neith" or net for waters. A woman's womb is also filled with water for the child. The "is" is a typical Greek suffix like "os" was used for locales or city names that identifies a place. If it was latin they would say Atlantus or Atlanticus and use "us".

However the "is" can also be viewed as an isle or island which is iw in Egyptian. Thus HAt.ntr.iw is not much different than Amenti or Atlantis. The female "t" would give us "is" as well for the Greeks just like Atlantides for Atlas' daughters.

The letters even match up aside of their meanings.

.....HAt.......nt...iw
......At..la...nt...is
.......A..me...nt...i
......TA.......tn...en

I've already elaborated how since A is our first letter it is also clearly "foremost" and proven by the Greek from Egytian translations or worldwide favoritism for kings names aside of country names or Gods names that I mentioned in previous posts.

In classical Greek,or Plato's time, I already pointed out long ago that the greek word for Risen was also ironcially; "epanateilantos", where again we see the word Atlantis in there and further support for A as risen.

Now since ATlantis is and was our land for the Gods and Creation that was also remembered by the Egyptians, then it is clear that the most accurate meanings of Atlantis are:

Foremost land or Foremost of God's land
Risen land (in the sense of our first land or "Risen primordial mound of creation like Tatenen also means in Egyptian)
Father land

Second to that is the Americas ATL and Egyptian NET for Water.
Problem is the Mayans like some hamitics or semitics can't say the L so they say Atrantes. The Mayans also say Terra for Earth like the Portuguese or romantic languages also. Except we say AGUA for water that relates to the Gualateans of Mauretania, Gauls and Gallics of France and Iberia or the many rivers of Spain that begin with GUA or Gades,Spain just like GAdeiros.

In that respect you would have Water land for Atlantis, however Foremost of God's land is the most definitive and appropriate  that is further verified by the Am-Duat and Egyptian history. Evermore the Atlantis legend came from Egypt and they were the best recorded in our histories.

So Hat Ntr Iw would be Atlantis in Egyptian from Greek, while Rastau as the entry way to Amenti or ATlantis in the 4th hour,compares to the Canal or entry way to Atlantis Island, while the two fields, 4th and 5th account for the entire island in the Ocean, before the Straites, just like Solon passed on to Plato.

If you stand under and look above at the Atlantean Pyramids. Did you ever notice how a Pyramid rises and sets like the Sun also?













Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 28, 2010, 04:32:38 am
Synopsis of A TA LA NT IS by Paulo Riven

______Mayan______Basque_____Portuguese_____Greek____Egyptian______Hebrew

A
Ancient_____________antzinakoak____antiga_____arkhaios__pAt/it-w/iAw
Foremost_taan/taan-il__lehen/hasieran__primeiro___Kurios_____HAt/xntw___ree-shon
Risen__lik'/nak'_______aditzarin______levantado__aipos(high)__iar/Hry/wbn___a-lah/na-sa/qum
Grandfather___________aitita_________avo______pappous
Father_____tat/taat_____aita__________pai______pater_________it_________av
Male______ah-ton_____gizonezko_____macho____andro_____ntf/sw/s/pat/f___hu/a-dam/za-khar

TA
Earth______lu'um______lur___________terra_____Ge/Gaia ______TA________te-vel
Land______terra_______lur/uretara_____terra_____ge/agro_______TA________e-rets
World_____ka'________mundu________mundo____kosmos

LA
Place________________leku_________lugar______topos_______st/spAt_____ma-qom
Country___kaal________herri_________pais______khora_______Xr-t-nTr
City_________________hiri_________cidade_____poli_________niwt/niwty___eer/qeer-yah
People______________jende_____jente/pessoas__anthropoi______rmT_____am/goyim
Stone____tunich______harri_______pedra____petra/laas/lithos__wHA/Dbt/rwdt__e-ven

NT
Water____ha'______ur/ura/uretan____agua____hudor(hydro)____net/mw____ma-yeem
Ocean____________ozeano________oceano_____okeanos________nun
Lake____ha'______laku/aintzira______lago_______Limna________S
River____________ibai____________rio______potamou_________itrw_______na-har
Sea___k'ab'naab____itsaso_________mar_____thalassa/hals___WAD-wr__yam/te-hom
God____k'u______JAinko__________deus_____theos_________nTr________al-hym
Goddess_________JAinkosa________deusa____thea__________ntrt
woman__ch'up____emakume________mulher___Gunaika______st/Hmt/nts___ee-shah
lady____ko'lel_____andre__________senhora____kuria____________nbt
wife____atan_____emazt___________esposa___sύζugos__________Hnwt (mistress)
mother__na'______ama_____________mae____matera_______mwt/ms-i/maat___eym
gr-mother_noolah__amona___________avo_____giagia

IS
island____________uharte_________ilha_____nasi/nesos__________iw_________ee
being__ki-b'-ah____izate/izaki_______ser____autos/ego________nyt/wnn/iw___ne-phesh/ha-yah
arrive__tal/ti tal____heldu/iritsi___chegue/venha__phainomai_________xpr/ii_________bo/qa-rav
speak__t'aan______egin/esan______fale_______phanai___xrw/Dd/mdw______da-var
think__t'an____gogoetan/penza__pense/mente__mnemosyne/logos_____sxAw________ley-vav

OTHER
Lion__ah-koh_____maila__________leao______leontari________mAi________a-ree
food__han-al_____janari/jaki______comida____φαγητό__________wnmt______hhag/o-khel
eat____han______jan____________coma_____phago_________wnm/SAbw______a-khal
house__nah______etxe___________casa______oikos___________pr/hwt____bay-it/hey-khal
Sun/day_k'in_____eguzki/eki______sol/dia____helios/hemera_____aten/ra/hrw__yom/she-mesh
east____lak'in____ekialdea________leste_____anatolika__________iAbty________qe-dem
west___________mendebalde______oeste____zutika/zephyr_______imnt


Sanskrit_______________________________Sumerian_________________Turkish
A
ancient - puraatana___________________Sumun/Ul/Ab-ba/Bil-ga________Aba/Apa/Bil-ge
foremost- agra/mukhyatas___________________Gaba___________________Gabag
rise/risen - udita/aaruDha/abyhuttaana_____Gur/Zig/An-Ta/An-Se__________Gur/CIk-mak
grandfather - pitaamaha_____________________Ab-Ba__________________ataapa
father - Janaka/taata/pitara________Ath-Tar/adapa/ad-da/A-A_________Ata/Atta/Atam/Adam
male -puMjati/pumapatya___________________Er/ir/ur/mulumu_________Er/kul-um(kole-m)

TA
Earth - mRttikaa/mahiitala/pRthivii/bhuutala_____Asakku/ki/Innini
Land - sthalii/bhuumi_______________________kur_________________kuru/kara/toprak/yer
World - bhuuta/saMsaara/jagat______________naki/kur

LA
place - alaaya/aayatana/sthala_______________nanga____________________yanga/yan/kanat
country - jaanapada/pradeza/deza____________Kur/tir__________________KIr/yir/yer/toprak
city - nagara/pura____________________Uru/Ur/Sag-Uru__________________Uruk/Sag
people - prajaa/janataa/loka/janaaH__________un/Lu____________________kun (elgun,halk)
stone - zila/parvati/prastara__________Al-Ur/Temennu/Gug/Gul

NT
water - paaniya/jala/aapa_________________A/Ab-Zu/Badur_______________Su
ocean - mahaasaagara/akuupaara/arNava____A-Aba/Tiamatu
lake - sarovara/taTaaka/jalaazaya/saras
river - taTinii/nadii/sarit____________________Gu/Ki-A__________________Ki-yi
sea - abdhi/samudra/miira/saagara___________A-Aba/Kisib
god - deva/devataa/iizvara/amara/sura_______Dingir/An/Utu/Anu____Tengir,Tengri,TanrI,Tangara
goddess - devii/deviikaa___________________Nina/ILATI________________Ninni
woman - naarii/jaayaa/vaamaa/lalanaa_____Ne/Ananene/Ene-E-ne________An/AnIn/o/onun
lady - mahilaa/strii___________________Nin/s^s^/S^es^/In-An-Na______Ha-nIm/nine/is^i
wife - jaayaa/patnii/priyaa__________________Anu/Antu
mother - janayitrii/maatR/jananii/maatRkaa____Ashera/Ama/um___________Ana/og(anne)
grandmother - maataamahii/pitaamahii

IS
Island - antariipa/dviipa/upadviipa
being - jantu/sat/bhuuta/bhaava__________Gal/Ma-a/Ma-E/Mana/-mu_____bol/ol/Men/Menim
come/arrive - aagata/aayaati___________________Gen/Gin_________________Gel
speak - vadati/jalpati___________________Gu-de/di-Di/Imim_____________de/di/Inle-mek
thought/mind - cintaa/mana/cetas/citta/manyu_______Zu/Us____________________Us

OTHER
Lion - siMha/kesarin/zaarduula_______________Aru_____________________Ur Arslan
food - bhojana/anna/odana/khaadha________Akalum/Bubussunu/lag
eat - khaadati/atti/aasvadati________________Ku/Su-Su__________________Su(taste)
house - vasati/gRha/aalaya/aavaasa/agaara____bitu/Ab/E/kur/Barag_____Baraka/Ev/koru/korumak
Sun/day - dinakara/arka/ravi/tapana/mitra_____Al/U/Zal/_______________Gun/Kun/Yal
east - puurvaa/praacya_____________________Arku
west - pazcima/astagiri/astaacala/pratyak________Amurru

------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
Atl - water (Agua) - from mexican nahuatl "ca.500.aD" (sw united states and central america / aztec branches.
Atoyaatl - river (Rio)
nehuatl - I or my
tehuatl - you
cihuatl - woman
tlacatl - man
mazatl - deer

From the root 'Nahua' meaning "a dance done with the hands entwined, to move in cadence".

tlatoa - speak
itacatl - food
tahtll - father
nantlil - mother
ehekatl - wind
tletl - fire
kiauitl - rain

R'-s-taw is the Egyptian name for the entrance of the 4th field in the Am-Duat to Khenti-Amenti (Atlantis).
Egyptian;
rn - name
rwd-stairway
rwdt-sandstone (seker stood on sand)
r-sy - entirely
sSta-Secret
Say-sand
Snyt-entourage
tawy - two lands

R'staw (rosetau/restau/rastau) = "Name of the Secret entry way into the two lands" = 4th and 5th fields of the Am-Duat.
(secret passage/s to the underground to Seker's Island realm in the Atlantic Ocean = Khenti-Amenti = Atlantis Island)
(There's a chick and a curl in the hieroglyphs at the ending as "w-w" or au/aw or wy/wi for a plural sense-R'stww)

That means that one of the names for Egypt in "Ta-wy";(eg,4th and 5th = 2 lands), appears to be a word from Atlantis.

I guess we know how the Setaria grass spread around the planet. :)

3/28/2010


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 30, 2010, 12:07:41 am
The Odyssey by Homer 800.bC.

Book I

http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/odyssey.1.i.html

Homer tells us that Ulysses was trapped on a sea-girt island in the Ocean referred to as an Ogygian (ancient) island where a daughter of Atlas named Calypso resided.

"it is for Ulysses that my heart bleeds, when I think of his sufferings in that lonely sea-girt island, far away, poor man, from all his friends. It is an island covered with forest, in the very middle of the sea, and a goddess lives there, daughter of the magician Atlas, who looks after the bottom of the ocean, and carries the great columns that keep heaven and earth asunder."

"And Minerva said, "Father, son of Saturn, King of kings, if, then, the gods now mean that Ulysses should get home, we should first send Mercury to the Ogygian island to tell Calypso"

"he is on some sea-girt island in mid ocean"

In Book VII Homer again relates to ATlas when Ulysses says;

"...there is an island far away in the sea which is called 'the Ogygian.' Here dwells the cunning and powerful goddess Calypso, daughter of Atlas. She lives by herself far from all neighbours human or divine. Fortune, however,me to her hearth all desolate and alone, for Jove struck my ship with his thunderbolts, and broke it up in mid-ocean. My brave comrades
were drowned every man of them, but I stuck to the keel and was carried hither and thither for the space of nine days, till at last during the darkness of the tenth night the gods brought me to the Ogygian island where the great goddess Calypso lives."

"I stayed with Calypso seven years straight on end, and watered the good clothes she gave me with my tears during the whole time; but at last when the eighth year came round she bade me depart of her own free will, either because Jove had told her she must, or because she had changed her mind. She sent me from her island on a raft, which she provisioned with abundance of bread and wine. Moreover she gave me good stout clothing, and sent me a wind that blew both warm and fair. Days seven and ten did I sail over the sea, and on the eighteenth I caught sight of the first outlines of the mountains upon your coast-and glad indeed was I to set eyes upon them."


Here ulysses is speaking to Arete and Alcinous the King of the Phaeacians and the island of Phaeacia (Scheria) where he landed after the Ogygian island.

Scheria and the Phaeacians strongly identify with Atlantis or as an island of Atlantis. They were very advanced with coated walls of electrum,robotic guards and magical ships. Some people try to identify Scheria with Corfu some 80 miles from Ithaca.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheria


The above,being the oldest and first reference to ATlas is precisely as the Egyptian's recorded of Atlantis and passed on to Solon then as Plato preserved it and told us.

It is also exactly as the Egyptians recorded for their Am-Duat legend of Ra's 12 hour Journey to Khenti-Amenti at the 4th and 5th hours in the middle of the Atlantic OCean.

Ogygian meaning "very ancient" or "Foremost".

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Alluvial_Atlantis_100000bC_Riven_05.JPG)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on March 30, 2010, 02:43:49 am
Kalypso (Calypso) = Covered,Veiled,Hidden.

(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs15/300W/f/2007/082/6/5/CALYPSO_by_Michelle84.jpg)

Her meaning links her to Khenti-Amenti,an Egyptian name for Atlantis with the word AMEN that also means "hidden" aside of Ament for "west".

Ogygia = very ancient = Foremost = Khenti-Amenti = Foremost of the Westerners = Atlantis = Foremost Island of God = HAt.nTr.iw.

HAt and Khenti both mean "foremost" in Egyptian.

Also known as Atlantis.(Like any daughter of Atlas)
Atlantides = daughters of Atlas.

http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NympheKalypso.html

Daughter of the Titan Atlas.

"Nymphe of the braided tresses"
(her hair,sort of like Minerva's head described as snakes. Isis or Egyptian women's hair were also braided.Greek Demeter is referred to as braided tresses also. Demeter and Isis are the same like Athena and Neith. It is thought that the knots and braids can control chaos)

AEAEA (Aiaia). A surname of Calypso, who was believed to have inhabited a small island of the name of Aeaea in the straits between Italy and Sicily. (Pomp. Mela, ii. 7; Propert. iii. 10. 31.)

The Aeaean is also a reference to Circe, probably a sister of Calypso.
"Homer, Odyssey 9. 29 ff :
"[Odysseus addresses King Alkinous :] `There was a time when divine Kalypso kept me within her arching caverns and would have had me to be her husband, and another time subtle Aiaian Kirke confined me in her palace and would have had me for husband also. Yet neither of them could win the heart within me.'"


AE is a link between AEtlantean, AEchaen, AEgean, AEdriatic, AEgyptos, AEnatolian, AEthiopian, AEropian, AEsian, AEmerica in the sense of the Greek classical AE vowel. Again we have a link with Calypso to the letter A as in Atlantis and Amen.

Calypso lived on an Ogygian Island;

Hom.Ody.Bk 4: Sea God Proteus;"He has no ships and oars and crew to take him over the wide expanse of ocean.'"

Hom.Ody.Bk 5: Athen;"He has no ships and oars and crew to take him over the wide expanse of ocean."

Homer;
Hom.Ody.Bk 1: "a wooded island, navel of all the seas"

Hom.Ody.Bk 5: a great cavern, far and wide over the island was wafted the smell of burning wood, cloven cedar and juniper

"In the space within was the goddess herself, singing with a lovely voice, moving to and fro at her loom and weaving with a shuttle of gold."

Neith is also known as a "weaver".

"Around the entrance a(ll) wood rose up in abundant growth--alder and aspen and fragrant cypress. Birds with long wings roosted there, owls and falcons and long-tongued sea-crows that have their business upon the waters. Trailing over the cavern’s arch was a garden vine that throve and clustered; and here four springs began near each other, then in due order ran four ways with their crystal waters. Grassy meadows on either side stood thick with violet and wild parsley. Even a Deathless One, if he came there, might gaze in wonder at the sight and might be the happier in heart."

Sounds like the Garden of the Hesperides.

"She gave him a great axe of bronze, easy to wield, with keen double blade; its haft was of olive, handsome and fitting close; she gave him a polished adze as well. Then she led the way to the far side of the island; tall trees were standing there, alder and aspen and towering silver fir; for some time past, these had been dry and sapless, ready to float easily."

Hermes(Zeus' son) to Kalypso; "At my entrance you put a question to me, goddess to god".

Interesting statement identifying God with Atlantis and Zeus as a sub-god or "lord". Probably in reference to Ouranos is meant here?


Hermes: "This visit was not of my own choosing; it was Zeus who commanded me to come. Who of his own free will would traverse those endless briny waters, with not one town to be seen"

Being a god like hermes flying over the mediterranean, you would have seen towns, so this seems to describe the Atlantic Ocean once again like this next lion from Ulysses to Kalypso when she let's him go.

"You tell me to make myself a raft to cross the great gulf of ocean--a gulf so baffling and so perilous that not even rapid ships will traverse it,"


Hom.Ody.Bk 5: Zeus to Hermes: "he may come in twenty days’ time to fertile Skheria; that is the land of the Phaiakians, a people whose lineage is divine . . .'


Book 7,Ulysses says it took him 18 days to reach king Akhelous on Scheria. It took Ulysses 10 days to reach Ogygia from where ever his ship was destroyed by lightning(zeus' bolt) mid-Ocean.

(compare AKher the Egyptian lion God or AKhet for horizon or the twin lions who guarded Seker's oval island on the eastern and western sides in Khenti-Amenti)

Divine as a place where the Gods and Goddesses came from such as the name of Atlantis also translates to "Foremost of God's Island" or our first Creation.
Deukalion-Apollo-Maia > A(s) I AM OLLA PA(ra) NO(sa) ILA KU E'D(eh) > As I AM look to our island that I gave you.
I AM that I AM = I AMEN = J AMEN = JA MN our Creator God.
AMEN = AMENTI.

Deukalion was also grandchildren of Atlas through Iapetos and Oceanos and Tethys (Evanor and Leucippe) Lion is mAi in Egyptian. MAia is also the eldest of the pleidean daughters of ATlas.

Deuka-lion = Ten Lion Kings

Compare; Maians/Mayans/Mainoan/Minoan/Maicenaean/Mycenaen/Min/Menes.
Compare; Phaeacians,Phrygians,Phaistos,Phoenician,Pharaoh,Philistine


I didn't notice that at first, but since the english C is a K in Greek like Kalypso or Krete, then we see that SKHERia(Scheria) also reflects the Egyptian SKR or SEKER's realm of Khenti Amenti in mid-ocean at the 4th and 5th hours of Ra's journey through the Am-Duat. Am-Duat should mean, "that which is hidden"(AM) in the Underworld (DUAT) ergo: Atlantic Ocean.

 
Cinaethon of Sparta or Eugammon of Cyrene, Telegony Fragment 2 (from Eustathius 1796. 35) (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C8th or 6th B.C.) :
"The author of the Telegony, a Kyrenaian, relates that Odysseus had by Kalypso a son Telegonos or Teledamos."

Telos is often equated with Atlas since Telos refers to a mountain or hill like Tell in Egyptian or Cleito of Atlantis where the royal city was founded near the primordial hill. Cleito also means "sloping hill". Tatenen is the primordial western hill of creation to the Egyptians like Atlantis.

Seker's realm in the Am-Duat consists of an oval canal surrounding a plain with a hill above topped off by a woman's head facing "to the right". This is identical to the plain of Atlantis and Cleito. The canal surrounding the plain also represents the "womb" of the woman whose head is on the hill above.

(remember my Empire Atlantis map where the cruiser and great meteor seamounts appear as Cybele looking and pointing "to the right" towards Africa?)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Kingdom_of_Atlantis_I_by_Riven05.JPG)

Callimachus, Fragment 524 (from Ammon. De different 103) (trans. Trypanis) (Greek poet C3rd B.C.) :
"Gaudos, Kalypso’s little isle."

Interesting, reminds me of Gadeiros. Did you know that Gad is also part of a word for Cod fish?

Lycophron, Alexandra 743 ff (trans. Mair) (Greek poet C3rd B.C.) :
"After brief pleasure in wedlock with Atlantis (the daughter of Atlas) [Kalypso], he [Odysseus] dares set foot in his offhand vessel."

Pseudo-Hyginus, Fabulae 243 :
"Calypso, daughter of Atlas, out of love for Ulysses killed herself."

Propertius, Elegies 1. 15 (trans. Goold) (Roman elegy C1st B.C.) :
"Thus was Calypso affected by the Ithacan’s [Odysseus’s] departure, when in ages past she wept to the lonely waves: for many days she sat disconsolately with unkempt tresses uttering many a complaint to the unjust sea, and although she was never to see him again, yet she still felt pain when she recalled their long happiness together."

Doesn't Calypso and Ullyses remind you of Poseidon and Cleito?


And so it was Atlantis sank from a broken heart of compassion, while the gods of iron hearts remained to rule.

Kalypso to Hermes: "You are merciless, you gods, resentful beyond all other beings; you are jealous" (zeus/yahweh)


Kalypso to Odysseus upon his departure:

"My whole bent is to honest dealing; in this breast of mine there is no heart of iron; I have compassion."



 







Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 02, 2010, 02:53:09 pm
SKR - SEKER - SOKAR - SAKAR

(http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/h/zkr.gif)

SEXER,SOXAR,SAXAR - SECHER,SOCHAR,SACHAR - SEQER,SOQAR,SAQAR

Seker is the Falcon headed God of Khenti-Amenti or Atlantis,the 4th and 5th fields of Ra's(the Sun) journey in the Am-Duat or the Hidden way of the Underworld for the passage of the Sun over the Atlantic Ocean where it sets or journeys thru the Underworld and rises from there also. The same view that was held by the Greeks for the Sun setting and rising from Oceanus,the all encircling river ocean or Oceanos Potamos.

(http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/religion/gods/sokar.jpg)

Saqqarra in Egypt was named after Seker as one of many ways to identify Egypt with her Atlantean ancestors from the lost island of Atlantis Tatenen or Khenti-Amenti.

Homer,ca800.bC was the first to tell us about Atlas and his Ogygian island in the mid-Ocean where Calypso looked after Ullyses in the Odyssey. Kalypso also means "hidden" to the Greeks like Amen to the Egyptians or the Am-Duat.

Homer also tells us about how after Ulysses left the Ogygian island he was rescued upon the shores of Scheria where the Phaeacians or relatives to Atlantis resided.I have stated how Scheria or Skeria relates to Seker by the consonants SKR,ironicaly.

I also mentioned long ago how our primeval languages can be understood in a Linear A form of fashion by simply adding the letter A after each letter of our Alphabet for example,PA and MA is Father and Mother while SA is Son and RA is king or empire.

Using that methodology,we can now relate SA-KA-RA for SKR that would mean "Son-Spirit Duality-King" or Son of the Twin Spirit to the King, much like Jesus was a Son of Man from God or Twin Spirit to God. We can see this in a sense of how the Sun or Ra dies and is reborn with Truth in Khenti-Amenti by SKR,thus SKR the Son gives a twin Spirit or KA to RA.

SA means Son in Egyptian while RA is the Sun or King. The interesting part is for the name of "the lands of endurance or abundance known as URANES in the Am-Duat or all the lands westward of Egypt to the Atlantic Ocean or MT.Atlas. These lands also consist of the SAHARA desert or "Golden Fields of Heat". Do you see how SAHARA like SAQQARRA relates to SKR or SAKAR?

SACHARA > SAKARA > SAKAR > SKR. Seems like they simply dropped the C and called it Sahara or we can even say SaJaRA for Son of God is King much like Seker.

The most common Egyptian entity attributed to Atlas is SHU who is shown as a God with Risen Arms to endure the burden of the Heavens. But SAKAR is also drawn with a hieroglyph of Risen arms for the word KA. This risen arm glyph even goes back to pre-dynastic Egypt for our Atlantean Libyan delta nile province once known as MAEREA that we can testify to in the Tehenu Libyan Palette or any dynastic kings with KA in their names like MenKA.re,neferKA.re etc.

Number 15 for Nebka and 19 for Neferkare in the pic below show the risen arms.(large pic)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Abydos_Koenigsliste_15-19.jpg

Tehenu palette; (see the Lion nome with risen arms)
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/184/tehenupalette1.jpg)

So here we can see a very strong identity to Seker with Atlas,not only by the risen arms glyph or having given his name to the Sahara or the regions of Mt.Atlas and also Saqqarra, but that he comes from the island of Atlantis known as Khenti-Amenti.!!

My pic of HAt.ta.nTr.iw for an Egyptian name of Atlantis also uses the god with risen arms glyph.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Atlantis_glyphs_Riven09.jpg)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 05, 2010, 12:56:31 am
Here's a curious thought.

When Solon was talking to the Egyptian Priest in Plato's Timaeus dialogue about his knowledge of ancient Greek History, Solon could only account up to the time of Phoroneus who was known as the first man to the Greeks ca.1800.bC. The Egyptian Priest reminded Solon that they were lacking in their own histories and that some legends they had even preserved from long ago but forgot.

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"There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon, the son of Helios,"

The irony is that Homer was the first to tell us about Atlas who had a very ancient or Ogygian island somewhere in the mid-Ocean where his daughter Calypso resided,and that the four pillars of Atlas that upheld the heavens were situated there. Ulysses was stranded there for 8 years in which he left and turned up 18 days later on the shores of the Phaeacian island of Scheria. Scheria in my previous posts compliments Atlantis and Seker, the Egyptian God of Khenti-Amenti in the 4th and 5th fields of the Am-Duat,where Khenti-Amenti is another name for Atlantis as "foremost of the westerners" like my Egyptian name for Atlantis as HAt.nTr.iw for "foremost of God's island" or HAt.NT.iw for "foremost of Goddesses island" (Neit). In either case,Atlantis like Seker and Khenti-Amenti is where the God's and Goddesses came from.

The question is, "Where did Homer get his version of Atlas" and why did he identify Atlas with a mid-Oceanic island in the Atlantic just like ATlantis who claims Atlas as their first King(after Evanor).

We can ask the same for why was Atlas a Titan who descended from Oceanus, was it simply because Mt.Atlas began at the Atlantic Ocean or did the Greeks actually preserve history from ATlantis?

Homer seems to think so.

Translating Atlantis back into Egyptian is not an easy task at hand when we must know the correct meaning of the words, like Atlas is commonly thought of as "enduring or daring". The key was realizing that "foremost",enduring and established must be the correct meanings for Atlas,especially formost for it is easier to find a "formost" ancestor or king than an enduring or established king.
Not only that but the letter A signals "foremost" to us as I explained prior.

So the thought is that Homer may have had recollection of Atlantis and he told us Calypso lived there,but the Greeks forgot the details where Hesiod later contributed to the myths in a scenario that sounds like a "stoned" shepherd laying under a tree fantasizing about the clouds or muses.

I have demonstrated aforehand how Calypso identifies with Amenti in that they both mean "hidden"(Amen) and some more understanding of SeKeR as SA KA RA.

When we look closer at Calypso and switch the C for a K as the Greeks would have spelled it, we get KA-LYPSO. And what is the KA stand for? The Twin Spirit or an identity as a person of God or a Goddess.

Where we have seen how KA is the risen arms hieroglyph for Egyptians. I haven't at this time looked deeper into her name, but I can see the ending YPSO is much like IPSE that means "light of beautiful self" that is one of my translations for Evanor's wife Leucippe who is also related with White for Leuke. YPSO and IPPE also compare naturaly.

So we have "Twin Spirit of the light of beautiful self" or "place of the" in front if we use the L for land or locale in Calypso.
In that sense she is a Goddess of course and relates to HAt.NT.iw.

SKR (Seker) as SAKARA is "Son of The Twin Spirit of a King (God or Sun also for Ra). Se he relates to HAt.nTr.iw.

We only need to add TA for earth,land,place or locale for the letter T and L in Atlantis that gives us HAt.Ta.nTr.iw or HAt.Ta.NT.iw. in Egyptian.

Considering that our first record of ATlas from Homer mentions Calypso (Kalypso),and we have seen how she compares to Atlantis, it is safe to say that Calypso can also be a candidate in the list of names for Atlantis in antiquity especially when her name uses the risen arms hieroglyph that was also applied to the Gods of Egypt.

Did Homer forget Atlantis or if Calypso was her name or will further fragments that lie awaiting to be found reveal Homer's memory?












Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 09, 2010, 06:21:39 pm
There is enough evidence in the translations of Kalypso's name to identify her with Atlantis as the Ogygian island of Homer's Odyssey where Atlas' pillars upheld the heavens and to link Kalypso with or as Leucippe the wife of Evanor,the First or Foremost King of Atlantis. Evanor and Leucippe's daughter Cleito would later give birth to the Ten twin kings of Atlantis or "beautiful offspring" as one of Calypso's meanings.

One of the coverings or hidden meanings of Calypso is by scholars writing kaluyw as kalypso,however we do find many hidden and interesting meanings from her name,which at best has everything to do with beauty,nobility,and beautiful offspring.

Leucippe translates as white,shining,for Leuke and ippe for horses or ipse for "light of beautiful self".She also relates to beautiful gardens and white poplar trees where in Homer's Odyssey we learn of the great variety and abundance of trees,and hesperidean gardens.

Take note of the following translations from Perseus Tufts where kallipwros means beautiful horses and the last one for sunken land as kalufh.

Perhaps Calypso conceals the hidden book of Atlantis under her garments and that Homer suggests evidence of a Greek memory of Atlantis as the Egyptian Priest mentioned that the Greeks had forgotten their histories but had preserved them. :)

Homer was also the first Greek scholar to mention Atlas ca.800.bC.


Καλυψώ - kaluyw - Calypso, Kalypso

καλέω - Kaluyw/ - covering,concealing

kalu/ptousa - to cover with a folded thing

Kalu/ptw I conceal, hide, /something folded

πτύσσω - pt/ssw - to fold,

fold - garments,ones arms,wrap around oneself,books.

βιβλίον πτ - Biblios pt. - to fold up or close a book

καλουμένη kaloume/nh to call, summon,to call by name

καλάσιρις - kalasipis - long garment

καλέω - kalew - call

κάλλος kallos/ or kalla,kalli,kallimos,kalliste - beauty,beautiful

καλιά - a wooden hut,dwelling.

καλλαινιοποιοῖς - kallainiopoiois - makers of blue dye = Azure blue robes of the Kings and Berber tribes.

καλλαρίας - kallarias - cod-fish = Atlantic Ocean

καλλιαρία - kalliaria - auspicious sacrifice (promising) (Calypso sacrificed her love for Ulysses safe return)

καλλιέπεια - kalliepeia - beautiful language

καλλιεπής - kalliephs - elegant in diction (speech,pronounciation)

καλλιφεγγής - kallifegghs - beautiful-shining (kalliphegghs)

καλλιφυής - kallifuhs - of beautiful growth (kalliphuhs)

καλλίφως - kallifws - shining gloriously (kalliphws)

καλλίγονος - kalligonos - of noble race

καλλίπωλος - kallipwros - with fine/beautiful horses

καλυφή - kalufh - submerged land (kaluph)


(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs15/300W/f/2007/082/6/5/CALYPSO_by_Michelle84.jpg)





Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 10, 2010, 11:30:24 pm
Ἄ-τλα_ς: Atlas, the father of Calypso, a god who knows the depths of the sea and holds the pillars that keep heaven and earth asunder, Od. 1.52, Od. 7.245.

tlas - endure
laas - stone
laos - people or stone

Pythag. name for ten, α^τλ - a^tl.

ἀτάλαντος - a)ta/lantos [α^τα^], ον, (ἀ- copul., τάλαντον)
A. equal in weight, equivalent to, alike,

ἄτη - ath; a)ta,ate, mischief, ruin

If we combine the 3 basic meanings of Atlas along with A or AT for Foremost as the Greeks translated from the Egyptian HAt for foremost, then we have;

"Foremost established (stone/laas)[King] of the people(laos) to endure(tlas)" or he who would remain known.

The same meaning is applied to Pharaoh Menes as the Foremost King of Egypt whose name also means,established and enduring(Min). I have already demonstrated how our Foremost kings or rulers (HAt.j/HAt.i in Egyptian.cf.Atlas) names also begin with the letter A for many different cultures including the Biblical patriarchs.

The other interesting factors in relations to ATlantis and ATlas is that a^tl is ten and atalantos is balance or equal that refer to 10 Twin kings of Atlantis and perhaps 10 islands also made up the realm of Atlantis. Funny to think that the Azores islands are composed of 9 islands and maybe the Tenth and largest or Atlantis is missing? That's where Ata or Ate for the Greek meaning of ruin compares to the lost island.

Atlas is also associated with Tele or Tela because they both mean to endure that is reflected by the following statement ca.700.bC for one of Kalypso's children from Ullyses. Not only does the name Telegonos relate to ATlas but also as one of the translations applied to his beautiful daughter Kalypso for bearing beautiful offspring.

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Cinaethon of Sparta or Eugammon of Cyrene, Telegony Fragment 2 (from Eustathius 1796. 35) (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C8th or 6th B.C.) :
"The author of the Telegony, a Kyrenaian, relates that Odysseus had by Kalypso a son Telegonos or Teledamos

ταλαεργός; talaergo/s - enduring labor

τελαμών- telamw/n (telamon) - to bear (endure)

τελειόγονος- teleio/gonos - bearing perfect young

καλλίγονος - kalligonos - of noble race

καλλιφυής - kallifuhs - of beautiful growth (kalliphuhs)

This statement by Hesiod confirms that shining like leuke or Ipse for Leucippe is also applied to Kalypso aside of everything to do with beauty.

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Hesiod, Theogony 1017 ff (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C8th or 7th B.C.) :
"Kalypso, shining among goddesses, joining in love’s delight with Odysseus, bore him Nausithoos and Nausinoos. These [goddesses] went to bed with mortal men and, themselves immortal, bore to them children in the likeness of immortals."

καλλιφεγγής - kallifegghs - beautiful-shining (kalliphegghs)

καλλίφως - kallifws - shining gloriously (kalliphws)

Here we have a direct reference calling Kalypso Atlantis because she was a daughter of ATlas.

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Lycophron, Alexandra 743 ff (trans. Mair) (Greek poet C3rd B.C.) :
"After brief pleasure in wedlock with Atlantis (the daughter of Atlas) [Kalypso], he [Odysseus] dares set foot in his offhand vessel."

This statement from Callimachus identifies with Atlas' brother Gadeiros whose name was applied to an area of Atlantis that also faced the region of Gades.

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Callimachus, Fragment 524 (from Ammon. De different 103) (trans. Trypanis) (Greek poet C3rd B.C.) :
"Gaudos, Kalypso’s little isle."

quotes from: http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NympheKalypso.html

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Homer, Odyssey 12. 388 ff :
"All this I heard from Kalypso of the lovely hair, who herself had heard it, so she told me, from Hermes, messenger o the gods.'"

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Homer, Odyssey 12. 448 ff :
"For nine days I [Odysseus] drifted; on the tenth night the gods let me reach the island of Ogygia; there dwells Kalypso, the goddess of braided hair and of strange powers and of human speech; she welcomed me and tended me."


Here's a picture I drew long ago that now I can finally name her "Kalypso of the lovely hair." :)

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_kFbAIcD7mME/SiHlnX7gydI/AAAAAAAAAPw/xMle1kpGHL4/Womans%20Face%20in%20Magazine%20Pencil%20Art%20by%20Riven.JPG)







Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 12, 2010, 01:22:23 am
Did the Greeks and Italians sail to America ca.800.bC?


Here is a picture of a Pinax of Persephone opening the "Liknon Mystikon". Found in the holy shrine of Persephone at Locri in the district Mannella. Locri was part of Magna Graecia and is situated on the coast of the Ionian Sea in Calabria in Italy.

Magna Graecia or "Greater Greece" was founded ca.800.bC. The first thing I noticed was the Sun symbol or "illuminated wisdom" on the desk and that her hand lines up with the mirror on the wall at top left for our "illumination".

Persephone they say was abducted by Aidoneus(Hades) and taken to the underworld where every spring she would return to her mother Demeter and go back to the underworld in the winter for some 4-5 months. It's interesting to think that the underworld also references a voyage to the ATlantic where ATlantis was or across to the "boundless continents of the Americas. In one article I read,Persephone was abducted while picking flowers in a hesperidean garden with Calypso and other friends.

Hesiod, Theogony 912 ff (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C8th or C7th B.C.) :
"He [Jove] came to the bed of all-nourishing Demeter, and she bare white-armed Persephone whom Aidoneus carried off from her mother; but wise Zeus gave her to him."

Homeric Hymn 2 to Demeter 1 ff (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C7th or 6th B.C.) :
"[Demeter's] trim-ankled daughter whom Aidoneus [Haides] rapt away, given to him by all-seeing Zeus the loud-thunderer."

It's an ironic coincidence that since the voyage to the underworld was a secret of Persephone travels that the mirror on the wall seems to reveal a secret about ancient voyages across the Atlantic (underworld) that would also have taken 4 months or so.

Would you say that's an ancient map of the Atlantic Ocean with N/S.America and Africa,Europe?

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9c8534e44cd7.jpg)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on April 12, 2010, 02:34:08 pm
If that is supposed to be a map of the world, then it must be of when pangea was just breaking up, because no, it doesn't look like the major continents as they've been for thousands of years.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 12, 2010, 03:19:52 pm
Hi Qoais;

It is quite mysterious, I'm sure skeptics will try to dismiss it as wall flakes chipping off?

Their mapping techniques would not have been accurate like ours today due to airplanes and satellite of which we can see that they thought africa,europe and asia was half or 1/3rd the size in early or the typical oceanus "T" maps.

But it is a good attempt of the Atlantic and the lands on either side if that map is factual in the mirror.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on April 12, 2010, 04:54:23 pm
Paulo - a person can find signs and omens in just about anything they look at.  You can't make up stuff like that and expect people to take you seriously.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 12, 2010, 07:53:08 pm
Qoais;

Do you realize how you sound? That's a typical Unexplained Mystery forums introverted negative answer.

Didn't you learn anything from the half or full cup? No,since your response in your thread was also negative. Same as it was for you still in defiance of what generational years means.

Are you actualy interested in Atlantis or are you one of those people who gets paid to be a disinfo agent?

Sorry,had to ask,but anyone who studies Atlantis for a long time would know that there is lots of evidence for Atlantis. Saying it doesn't exist is easy to say, neither would I expect a truthful answer from you.

Isn't it funny how some nutjob says there's a face on mars from rock shadows and suddenly a hoard of brainless puppets follow and brainless books get published? Why? "Distraction Agenda".

I asked; Does that look like a world map to you?

Here, maybe this will help you see better with an extroverted attitude.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Persephone%27s_Secret_Worldmap_Riven2010.jpg)




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on April 12, 2010, 09:43:05 pm
Wishing it, doesn't make it so.  As I said before, you can follow along on my journey of discovery by reading my thread.  It's a fairly long thread now, but it shows what I looked into, and what lead me onwards to keep checking out more and more information, and I wrote it all down for everyone to see.  I'm not paid for any of it I assure you.  I wish I was.   But I did learn a lot.  Firstly, I learned that one must absolutely not take anyone's word for anything, until they've checked it out themselves.  Especially on the internet.  So many things I THOUGHT were true, upon researching them, I found they were not true at all, but so many people had repeated the same items, that pretty soon, everyone thought it was true, until people like the skeptics  ask you if you've researched it yourself.  I'm thinking here specifically of the information that there was a nuclear war in India in ancient times, written about in the Mahabharata.  There is no such thing.  I finally had to read those texts for myself, to prove to myself that incident had never happened.  I totally believed it was true until I read those texts.   That's just one example. 

You're living in a dream Paulo.  You can change the math all you want, but if you research the REAL things, try to find scientific verification for everything, you will learn a lot but you won't find Atlantis.  You duck and weave around the truth, but the facts are out there, go research them.  You don't believe the articles about the origin of wheels,  You probably don't believe anything that has been shown by science and use some excuse not to believe.  I agree that the time line for gaining knowledge should be pushed back, but without evidence, we have to accept what we do have.  Such as ships.  The oldest ships we've found to date were the ones in Egypt.  Beautiful workmanship, but nothing comparable to the size of a Trireme as Plato mentions.  I asked you before and you didn't answer.  What other countries, in the time line Plato gives, had large ships and traveled the ocean?  None.

you can see what you like in the back of the mirror Paulo.  It's your dream.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Daedalus on April 12, 2010, 10:37:57 pm
I wouldn't worry too much about Qoais, Riven.  She is a negative person who has lost faith in the idea of Atlantis, so it's important to her to cram her non-beliefs down the throats of anyone who will listen to her.

Never mind that the Atlantis she was looking for was one made by Edgar Cayce, complete with mystical crystals, aliens, flying spaceships, and, for all we know, enchanted dwarves!  Is it any wonder she would end up disappointed?

Her knowledge of Plato is limited to the extent that she has never really been interested in Plato's Atlantis, save that she needs to nitpick it for it's accuracy:  i.e. every word has to be correct, or the whole story has to be a crock of crap. For instance, the Atlanteans couldn't have simply had ships, they had to have triremes (never mind that the story is supposed to be so old, common sense would tell us that many of the details could have gotten garbled, especially if it was actually passed down through oral history, as it must have been for part of the time).

Equally, the story would simply have to take place 9650 years before Plato even though common sense tells us that the Greeks couldn't possibly have an idea when it actually occurred, namely because:

1.  The Greeks weren't even a people at that time, and so didn't even have a language, let alone a method of keeping records.

2.  The year 9000 was simply common in all Greek literature as it simply meant a "long time ago."

But the bottom line is that you are debating a person who believes in aliens, the Edgar Cayce Atlantis and all manner of mystical bull ****.  So why bother?  :D

Now I don't necessarily place a lot of stock in your visions.  But I am open to the idea of Atlantis in anytime or any place in the past, all I think we need is the evidence. Don't let this naysayer and hog for attention distract you from your own research.  Who is to say who's path is the correct one?  Certainly not someone who is no longer even taking part in the quest.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on April 13, 2010, 12:50:42 am
Well Daedalus, you've never had anything good to say about anything, so I'm not surprised you've misread me, and what I may or may not believe in.  Not that it matters.  However, I resent that you suggest I'm a negative person.  I am not.  I have posted my intellectual journey as I went along, and if you misunderstand what I'm saying that's your problem.  I am not disappointed.  I am very happy that I did the research and learned so many new things.  YOU are the negative one here.  The only accurate thing you've said so far is that the Greeks weren't even a people at the time Plato gives, so didn't even have a language, let alone a method of keeping records (other than oral history passed down, which you forgot to mention).  That's the whole point in a nut shell.  The story is just a story because as you say, the Greeks weren't even a people that long ago. 

If "9000 was simply common in all Greek literature as it simply meant a long time ago", what did 8000 mean?  Remember, Plato said the goddess created the Greeks  - 9000 years ago - and then he said she created Egypt 8000 years ago.  What does 8000 years ago mean according to your interpretation of ancient Greek writing? 

I am not trying to cram anything down anyones throat.  My thread is there, open to the public for whoever wishes to read it.  They can make their own conclusions.  I'm asking Paulo to give some proof of this theory, and he (and now you) get all upset.  Others have asked Paulo for proof as well, but neither of you have any.  You have faith in a story.  Good for you.  If that's workin' for ya - great.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 13, 2010, 02:45:41 pm
The Liknon Mystikon of Persephone. Lokri,Magna Graecia; 800-500.bC.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/mysterean/Persephone%27s_Secret_Worldmap_Riven2010.jpg)


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The winnowing-fan (liknon) featured in the rites accorded Dionysus and in the Eleusinian Mysteries: "it was a simple agricultural implement taken over and mysticised by the religion of Dionysus," Jane Ellen Harrison remarked.[7] Dionysus Liknites ("Dionysus of the winnowing fan") was wakened by the Dionysian women, in this instance called Thyiades, in a cave on Parnassus high above Delphi; the winnowing-fan links the god connected with the mystery religions to the agricultural cycle, but mortal Greek babies too were laid in a winnowing-fan.[8]. In Callimachus' Hymn to Zeus, Adrasteia lays the infant Zeus in a golden liknon;[9] her goat suckles him and he is given honey.

In the Odyssey, the dead oracle Teiresias tells Odysseus to walk away from Ithaca with an oar until a wayfarer tells him it is a winnowing fan, and there to build a shrine to Poseidon. (ref;wikidictionary)
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A winnowing fan was also a basket used in ancient times to place the corn in after it was threshed,then thrown up into the wind to separate the grain from the chaff.

I guess that we have 4 main signs in Persephones picture and title related to a secret.

1) Liknon - Winnowing Fan (Separate the grain from the chaff or a lie from truth)

2) Mystikon - EtymologyFrom μύστης (mustēs), “one who has been initiated”.
Adjective- μυστικός (mustikos) - secret, mystic
Adjective μυστικός m., μυστική f., μυστικό n.; (mystikós)
mystic, secret, clandestine, hidden, private

3) The Sun symbol(illumination)

4) The Mirror (illumination)

Whatever the intent of this Pinax, it must have been a mystery school secret like the freemason constructions today.

Persephone is seated facing to the west and the mirror or towards the mysterious underworld.

She holds the desk or "basket" open meaning that a secret is revealed,thus calling it a winnowing fan or basket relates to "separating a lie from truth" aside of agricultural reasoning.

Some other Pinax reliefs show her putting a folded cloth inside that relates to some of Kalypso' meanings of folded or hidden also. Persephone and Kalypso were friends familiar with the underworld or the Ogygian island of Atlantis.

Here it appears that she is looking at a parchment that we can also think of as looking at a map.

The Secret of what she gazes at is reflected in the mirror that shows a map of the world.

Her eye line and hand all line up with the mirror. The Secret must be the mirror.

It would be amusing to think that a phosphorous stone was used for the map so that if the lights went out you would see it, but not in daylight or with lights on? Perhaps it wore out over the years and the map remained visible as we see it.

It's beyond coincidence that it nearly portrays a world map or the "secret underworld of Persephone and Kalypso".
Given that they didn't have airplanes or satellite we shouldn't expect it to be accurate like today and quite different from their Oceanus "T" maps around Homer's time. It's probably closer to 500.bC.

We also do have evidence of the Greeks sailing ca.1900.bC to Iberia and possibly Britain or the Tin isles in quest of Amber and Tin or nickel and given the ships at that time and phoenician ships also, crossing the Atlantic or retaining the knowledge for that map is not all that unlikely.

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"The first Baltic amber arrived in Greece ca. 1725-1675 B.C., possibly in only three consignments (one each for Mycenae, Pylos, and Kakovatos [Messenia]). The next consignment need not have arrived until the transition from LH IIIB to LH IIIC ca. 1200 B.C., this time possibly through middlemen in northwest Greece, as suggested by finds of the material in Aetolia and Epirus. The early consignments, it has been argued, probably came to the Peloponnese by sea, possibly from as far away as Britain on the basis of remarkable similarities between Mycenaean and British spacer plates.

(ref; Dartmouth Aegean studies/The Prehistoric Archaeology of the Aegean/Aspects of Mycenaean Trade,lesson 22)

http://projectsx.dartmouth.edu/history/bronze_age/lessons/les/22.html

The 45 degree angle of the desk may have some significance for example, draw a 45 degree line from the straites southerly on your map to fill your "cup below" the desk with abundance of sorts? Or did they think the earth axis was 45 degrees? Earth Shift of 22 degrees compared to today? Maybe that's why we see a ball on the desk? Her left hand is under the desk,perhaps another sign to head south or down from the straites?



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 15, 2010, 09:10:00 pm
Plato's Critias dialogue; trans;Benjamin Jowett.

"...all of them put on most beautiful azure robes, and, sitting on the ground, at night, over the embers of the sacrifices by which they had sworn, and extinguishing all the fire about the temple, they received and gave judgment, if any of them had an accusation to bring against any one; and when they given judgment, at daybreak they wrote down their sentences on a golden tablet, and dedicated it together with their robes to be a memorial."

THE BOOK OF THE DEAD
The Papyrus of Ani
E. A. WALLIS BUDGE.BRITISH MUSEUM.January 25, 1895.

INTRODUCTION.THE VERSIONS OF THE BOOK OF THE DEAD

"The Arabic writer Idrîsî, who wrote about A.H. 623 (A.D. 1226), states that a few years ago the "Red Pyramid," i.e., that of Mycerinus, was opened on the north side. After passing through various passages a room was reached wherein was found a long blue vessel, quite empty. The opening into this pyramid was effected by people who were in search of treasure; they worked at it with axes for six months, and they were in great numbers. They found in this basin, after they had broken the covering of it, the decayed remains of a man, but no treasures, excepting some golden tablets inscribed with characters of a language which nobody could understand."




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 16, 2010, 05:25:32 pm
_____________.111.[R].Paulo Riven’s commentary to understanding Atlantis and it’s evidence.[R].111.____________


Evidence is the collection of information vital to determine a truth or lie of an assertion. There is absolute evidence and speculative evidence.

An Affidavit is a sworn statement of fact on a writing medium by the author and witnessed by a notary.



There is more evidence for Atlantis than against where Plato's dialogue can be viewed as an affidavit of sworn testimony to truth. Plato being the author who "preserved" the testimony of Solon from the Egyptian Priest at Sais,Egypt. Socrates,Dropides,Critias I,Critias II,Timaeus,Hermocrates and Amynander all being notaries and witnesses to the truth of Atlantis.

It is true that Solon visited Sais,Egypt mentioned by numerous authors including Herodotus ca.440.bC in his Histories works prior to Plato ca.360.bC.

Herodotus Histories; Book I,Clio

Quote
Solon the Athenian, who after he had made laws for the Athenians at their bidding, left his native country for ten years and sailed away saying that he desired to visit various lands, in order that he might not be compelled to repeal any of the laws which he had proposed. For of themselves the Athenians were not competent to do this, having bound themselves by solemn oaths to submit for ten years to the laws which Solon should propose for them.

30. So Solon, having left his native country for this reason and for the sake of seeing various lands, came to Amasis in Egypt, and also to Croesus at Sardis.

Quotes From the Timaeus dialogue;

Critias II; "Then listen, Socrates, to a tale which, though strange, is certainly true, having been attested by Solon, who was the wisest of the seven sages."

Socrates: "Very good. And what is this ancient famous action of the Athenians, which Critias declared, on the authority of Solon, to be not a mere legend, but an actual fact?"

The legend of Atlantis was forgotten by the Greeks where Solon could only account for the GENEALOGIES upto Phoroneus,the first greek man ca.1800.bC and their flood of Deukalion ca.1529.bC as inscribed on the marmour parium. The war of Atlantis took place prior to these events and after the founding of Sais,Egypt or a timespan between 8570.bC and 1800.bC.

Critias II in Timaeus:"On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the GENEALOGY of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute HOW MANY YEARS AGO the events of which he was speaking happened."

Egyptian Priest in Timaeus; "As for those GENEALOGIES of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children"

It is clear that the Egyptian Priest and Solon are speaking about GENERATIONS in their accounts for determining the YEARS that had passed from their time ca 570-564.bC and 9000 years earlier to a said founding of a greek city state of an earlier Athenean type of city. Athens was not the name of the city in 9570.bC.

The generations of Egyptian kings can in fact go back to the 8000 years mentioned by the Egyptian priest because we learn from Herodotus Histories ca.440.bC that he was told about 341 generations of priests of which he also physically counted 345 wooden statues of noble men in generations from father to son.

341 x 25 year generations = 8,525 years which compares to 8570.bC for the 8000 year founding of Sais,Egypt in Plato's dialogue.

Manetho,Herodotus,and the Turin Canon are all around 300 kings, whereas our modern chronologies of Egypt is a disaster. Egyptian scholars like Budge,Breasted,Champillon,etc,around 1900.aD were all dating Menes between 5000-6000.bC.

Quote from the introduction by E.A.Wallis Budge's Book of the Dead published 1895.aD.
"The date of Mena, the first king of Egypt, is variously given B.C. 5867 (Champollion), B.C. 5004 (Mariette), B.C. 5892 (Lepsius), B.C. 4455 (Brugsch)."

The evidence suggests that we either take the 8000 years as factual or we consider 1/2 or 1/3 for the dating. One half or 4000 years[4570.bC] due to biennial cattle counts every 2 years that also recorded kings reigns,or simply that Egypt consists of Upper and Lower halves,thus 2 wooden statues collected for each land (Tawy).

One third if we consider three egyptian seasons as years or the comparison of the 11,340 years[11,367] mentioned by Herodotus for 341 kings of 33.33 GENERATIONS each or 100 for every 3 in relation to our [erroneous]modernized list of some 244 kings[Turin Canon] from Psammeticus III[526.bC] to Menes[3200.bC]that draws a 2.79 divisible factor as outlined in my Flight of a Kings Golden Sandals paper. Thus 2867 plus 570 = 3437.bC for Sais,Egypt.

In conclusion, 8570.bC,4570.bC and 3437.bC whereas the Egyptian calendar is 4241.bC with preference favoring the 1/2 theory.

The evidence also suggests that the Greeks preserved Atlantis but had forgotten.

Egyptian Priest in Timaeus; "There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon, the son of Helios,"

Ouranos the Father of ALL Greek Gods and the Titans come from the WEST or the Atlantic Ocean that was also referred to as the underworld since the Sun sets there and the constellations fall in that direction. Compare Ouranos to Evanor the First Father of Atlanteans.[Euanor/Ouanor/Ouranos/Uranos]

The Egyptians also recall their origins from the WEST to the realms of NUN,the Atlantic Ocean while the Mayans claim descent from an island EAST of themselves in S.America or the Atlantic Ocean. Neith and Athena are also both [Atlantea] Libyans from the WEST and preferrably around Lake Tritonis.


Atlantis was an island in the Atlantic Ocean[mid-Ocean/underworld] where Atlas,the First Twin King and Chief Governor resided as preserved by Plato ca.360.bC from Solon ca.570/564.bC.

Simple enough to understand,right? Remember the Greeks had forgotten their history but somehow may have preserved them as mentioned by the Egyptian Priest,right?

From Timaeus; "About the greatest action which the Athenians ever did, and which ought to have been the most famous, but, through the lapse of time and the destruction of the actors, it has not come down to us."


---------------------HOMER WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO TELL US ABOUT ATLAS-----------------


HOMER CA.800.bC was the FIRST to tell us about ATLAS WHO LIVED ON THE OGYGIAN ISLAND OF CALYPSO IN MID-OCEAN nearly 500 years before Plato's writings.

The Odyssey by Homer 800.bC.

Book I

http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/odyssey.1.i.html

Homer tells us that Ulysses was trapped on a sea-girt island in the Ocean referred to as an Ogygian (ancient) island where a daughter of Atlas named Calypso resided.

"it is for Ulysses that my heart bleeds, when I think of his sufferings in that lonely sea-girt island, far away, poor man, from all his friends. It is an island covered with forest, in the very middle of the sea, and a goddess lives there, daughter of the magician Atlas, who looks after the bottom of the ocean, and carries the great columns that keep heaven and earth asunder."

"he is on some sea-girt island in mid ocean"


EGYPTIAN PRIEST FROM TIMAEUS;

"For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war,"

[Note the reference that Athens was not back then and the great deluge of all would have been the biblical flood “EVIDENCE” preserved by many tribes of humans. The known world back then was Oceanus surrounding the Mediterranean lands of Europe, Asia and Libya as the old “T” maps also portray. The devastation was so great that not only did Atlantis Island sink but Athens and her warriors were also destroyed. This is suggestive that the entire Mediterranean coastlands may have been wiped out, the black and red seas flooded and the plains of the Euphrates at a date between 9570.bC and 3250.bC]

 "But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island."

IMPORTANT TO NOTE FOR THE DUCKS WHO QUACK “WHERE’S THE PROOF’ WHY HASN’T ATLANTIS BEEN FOUND!!??”.

 ATLANTIS ISLAND BROKE APART AND DISAPPERED UNDER THE ATLANTIC OCEAN SOME 5000 OR MORE FEET BELOW AND OCEANIC DEEP SEA RESEARCH IS RELATIVELY NEW BEING NO MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD AND EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE!!! IN REALITY NOT THAT IT HASN’T BEEN FOUND FOR 2580 YEARS SINCE PLATO’S PRESERVATION BUT RATHER LESS THAN 50 YEARS WITH ONLY A HANDFUL OF OPPORTUNISTS LIKE PROFESSOR AKSYONOV OR THE ASHER EXPEDITIONS BEFORE THE STRAITES OF GIBRALTAR.


I also maintain that we may in fact be looking at Atlantean artifacts or sites, but we know them by different names or unknown names. Such as Egypt and Pyramid building for example. The Royal City and island disappeared but Atlanteans are factual beings still in existence today like myself being born on the Azores Islands mid-Atlantic Ocean. 


CRITIAS CLOSING STATEMENTS IN TIMAEUS;

The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians.

and then, in accordance with the tale of Solon, and equally with his law, we will bring them into court and make them citizens, as if they were those very Athenians whom the sacred Egyptian record has recovered from oblivion,

CRITIAS II FROM THE CRITIAS;
"The progress of the history will unfold the various nations of barbarians and families of Hellenes which then existed, as they successively appear on the scene"

 "Poseidon fell in love with her and had intercourse with her, and breaking the ground, inclosed the hill in which she dwelt all round, making alternate zones of sea and land larger and smaller, encircling one another; there were two of land and three of water, which he turned as with a lathe, each having its circumference equidistant every way from the centre, so that no man could get to the island, for ships and voyages were not as yet."


__________________SHIPS AND VOYAGES WERE NOT AS YET WHEN THE ROYAL CITY FIRST FORMED [PRIOR 4000.bC]___________


THAT IS WHY MANY PEOPLE FAVOR A 900 YEARS PRIOR THEORY AND DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY TRIREMES,CHARIOTS OR MORE MODERN TERMINOLOGIES ARE BEING MENTIONED BY CRITIAS SUCH AS THE NAME OF ATHENS THAT DIDN'T EXIST PRIOR TO 1500.BC. IF PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO CRITIAS' CLOSING STATEMENT IN THE TIMAEUS THEY WILL SEE THAT CRITIAS MERGED THE OLD WITH THE NEW SO THAT HIS AUDIENCE AT THE AMPHITHEATRE CA.420.bC CAN UNDERSTAND AND HAVE BETTER VISUAL CONCEPTS.



TIMELINE OF ANCIENT SOURCES [FROM ATLANTIS QUEST]
Whence came the story of Atlantis?

It has been suggested that a timeline of ancient authors who wrote about Atlantis would contribute to the material presented in this website. In compliance with the suggestion, I am including the following timeline. The sources (Plato is not the source) of the Atlantis story are sometimes hazy, but many in the list below are quite solid. When perusing the list below it might be well to keep in mind that to Philo the island mentioned by Plato was called Atalantes. The "Atlanteans" mentioned by Herodotus and Diodorus were Atlantes to Herodotus, but Atlantoi to Diodorus only four hundred years later. Also we find that the Aletae of Sanchuniathon were Auritae to Manetho nine hundred years later. It is foolish to expect all references to Atlantis and Atlanteans to be spelled to our liking. The Berbers of North Africa had place-names like Attala, while the Sanskrit writings tell us of an island in the Atlantic called Atala. It is my contention that these are merely different forms of the Greek "Atlantis".

THE ANCIENT AUTHORSDATE: AUTHOR: SOURCE: CONTENT:

470 A.D....Proclus....Commentary on Timaeus...Preserves Crantor's account (now lost) of his trip to Sais, Egypt to see the temple records reported by Solon

370 A.D....Marcellinus..Res Gestae...On the disappearence of landmasses: "in the Atlantic sea, off the coast of Europe, a large island was swallowed up."

300 A.D....Arnobius...Adversus Gentes...Writes of the destruction of Atlantis as if it were an accepted fact of history.

100 A.D....Plutarch...Orb of the Moon...Claims that the Atlantic was shallow and unnavigable because of the subsidance of the island of Atlantis.

10 A.D....Philo Judaeus...Incorruptibility...The Island of Atalantes in Plato's Timaios was overwhelmed by floods and earthquakes and suddenly disappeared.

8 B.C....Diodorus...Library of History...Describes a race of "Atlanteans" living in Libya (North Africa), whose deities originate in the Atlantic.

25 B.C....Strabo...Geography...Expressed the opinion that possibly Plato's story about the island of Atlantis was not a fiction.

c. 100 B.C....Marcellus...Ethiopic History...Canary Islanders preserved traditions of Atlantis, which they alleged had once governed all the islands in the Atlantic.

100 B.C....Aelian...De Natura Animalium..."Dwellers by the ocean" say the ancient kings of Atlantis traced their descent back to the god Poseidon.

250 B.C....Manetho...Old Chronicle...Lists the ten god-kings, (which he called the "Auritae") who, during the Reign of the Gods, ruled a "foreign country".

300 B.C....Crantor...Commentary on Timaeus...Priests of Sais show Crantor the temple columns from which Solon derived his knowledge of the story of Atlantis.

320 B.C....Theopompus...Meropis Priests of Phrygia tell him of a continent of great size in the far west inhabited by both peaceful and warlike people.

340 B.C....Bhavishya...Purana...Mentions Atala, the "White Island" across a sea of saltwater in the West, inhabited by Magas who worship Surya, the Sun.

350 B.C.(360.bC-Riv.)...Plato...Timaeus/Critias Plato relates the now familiar story of Atlantis and its final destruction by earthquakes, floods and subsidance.

450 B.C.(440.bC-Riv.)...Herodotus...Histories...The ocean now called the Atlantic he calls "the Atlantis Sea". He describes a tribe of "Atlanteans" living in North Africa.

460 B.C....Hellanicus...Atlantis...Hellanicus wrote a chronology entitled "Atlantis" mentioning Atlas and Poseidon of which only fragments remain.

590 B.C.(570-564.bC-Riv.)...Solon...Atlantica (lost)...Solon began his epic poem "Atlantica" based on the story of Atlantis he had gotten from the priests at Sais, Egypt.

600 B.C....Mahabharata...Karna Parva...Describes a ten-year war at the end of which the island of Atala and all its inhabitants sank into the "Western Ocean".

735 B.C.....Hesiod...Theogeny...Tells us of the Titans who, after losing a ten-year war, were imprisoned beneath the waters of the Ocean in the far West.

800 B.C....Homer...Iliad...Refers to the imprisonment of the Titan Cronos at the "far end of the earth" beneath the "waters of the restless sea."

1190 B.C....Sanchuniathon...Phoenician History...Calls ancient god-kings of former times the "Aletean kings". Gives Phoenician legends of Thoth, Cronos, Atlas and Zeus.

1300 B.C....Turin Papyrus...King-List...Lists the ten god-kings whose reign over a foreign country ended 9850 B.C., followed by the reign of the demi-gods

c. 2000 B.C....Vishnu...Purana...Locates Atala, the White Island, in the "Western Ocean" at same latitude as Canary Islands in the Atlantic.

c. 2500 B.C....Palermo Stone...Royal Canon....Lists the last eight of the ten god-kings, including Cronos (Seb), Osiris, Set and possibly Thoth.

c. 4000 B.C. Egyptian Book of the Dead King Thoth ruled an Island in the West which was destroyed by water, and brought the surviving rulers eastward to Egypt

In the Americas we encounter place-names like Atlan (Isthmus of Panama), Aztlan (Toltec mythology), Atitlan (Guatemala), and Aztalan (Wisconsin). The Americas are rife with such names; and while we should not assert that each and every one refers to Atlantis, neither should we jump to the conclusion that none of them have any connection at all with Atlantis. Scholars use these natural variations to claim that Plato invented Atlantis as a morality tale. Only recently I observed a Ph.D. assert that "Plato coined the name Atlantis," when he should know that Herodotus used the name (the same identical form) a hundred years earlier than Plato. I guess if you're agin' it, you're agin' it, and ain't nothin' gonna change your mind! Anyway, I suggest keeping these considerations in mind while perusing through the above references—I haven't chosen them lightly. ·
Atlantek Software Inc., Version 1.3
URL: http://www.atlantisquest.com
Last update: 20 Apr 2007.

Source link; http://www.atlantisquest.com/Timeline.html

Riv.=addendum by Riven.
3250.bC Narmer Palette from Egypt shows 10 fallen kings.
3100.bC Tomb 100 map from Egypt shows battle and ships
3000.bC Gebel el Arak knife found in Egypt shows battle and ships
2850.bC Cyclades island stone artifact (frying pan) shows map of Atlantis city surrounded by 5 mountains.

.111.[R].Atlantean Chronos by Paulo Riven.[R].111.


Critias speaking ca.420.bC as preserved by Plato ca.360.bC;

“My great-grandfather, Dropides, had the original writing, which is STILL IN MY POSESSION, and was carefully studied by me when I was a child”

“For the fact is that a single night of excessive rain washed away the earth and laid bare the rock; at the same time there were earthquakes, and then occurred the extraordinary inundation, which was the THIRD BEFORE the great destruction of Deucalion.”

“On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of antiquity, he (Solon) began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced THE GENEALOGY of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to COMPUTE HOW MANY YEARS AGO the events of which he was speaking happened.”

Egyptian Priest; “As for those GENEALOGIES of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children.”


150,000,000-3253.bC...Large Island of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean about 300 miles before the Straites of Gibraltar at the Josephine / Torre Seamounts estimated some 2000 x 1000 miles in area. First Garden of Umans and Animals.

3795....Attica (Athens) founded 9000 years prior to Solon (years = GENERATIONS = 2.79 conversion compared to modern Egyptian kings lists from Menes)

3437......Sais, Egypt founded 8000 years prior to Solon

####......Atlantean War begins

####......Atlantean war ends, Greeks victorious, countries liberated (could also be a result of the following flood)

3253..(3rd) Greatest disaster before Deukalion's flood. Great Flood of Noah (biblical), Hathor Flood Egypt, Mediterranean event, Atlantis sinks, Athens destroyed, Euphrates valley flooded, countries become liberated afterwards.

3200......Egypt records Atlantis in the Temple of Neith and The Sacred Registers.

####......Phoenicia, (Tyre, Byblos, Sidon), Eridu, Nippur, Nineveh, Uruk, Akkad, Malta,Crete etc, cities arise.

1754..(2).Flood of Ogyges (Eusebius, Africanus)

1628..(1).Santorini,Thera Volcanic eruption, Flood. Zeus, Poseidon and Typhon Gods created by Greeks.

####......Actaeon 1st king of Athens

1582......Cecrops -an Egyptian king of Athens

1574......Deukalion-king of thessaly

1529..(0).Deukalion's Flood

1522......Amphictyon-king of Athens after deukalion's flood

1209.....Battle of Troy

1190.....Great Mediterranean Depression resulting from Troy battle, remnant armies invade stockpiled Egypt as the Sea Peoples.

800.......Homer writes The Iliad and The Odyssey

750.......Hesiod writes Theogony

570.......Solon visits Sais and Pharaoh Amassis II(ca.564)-Atlantis legend revealed by Egyptian Head Priest Uadjahor-Resne.

570.......Anacreon the poet writes, "west to Gades and east to Bactria".

470......Hellanicus of Mytilene (Lesbos), writes a work on the account of Atlas' daughter named Atlantis.

440.......Herodotus writes Histories that accounts for Atalantes and Atarantean cultures around Lake Tritonis and Mt.Atlas.

420.......Critias II orates Atlantean story to Socrates in the amphitheatre, also in posession of Atlantis writing from great grandfather, Dropides, friend of Solon.

399.......Socrates poisoned

360.bC.......Plato writes Timaeus and Critias account of Atlantis, possibly in Syracuse,Italy while imprisoned by The Traitor Dionysius.

..0.......Jesus Christ, The Son of God

350.aD....Chalcidius preserves Timaeus in Latin (St Augustine?), most likely in Syracuse, Italy. In his Timaeus latin manuscript, Chalcidius penned Augustos rather than angostos for a straite.

850.........John The Scot Eriugena, (inspired by St Augustine and Pseudo Dionysus the Areopagite) escapes to France with Plato's works

1110......William of Conche writes Glosses on Timaeus, perhaps even in the margins on the Chalcidius latin manuscript.

1263.......Master Henry of Langely "bound" the Timaeus with the Song of Roland apparently from an ecclesiastical (Christian church) book of Marie de Oleneyd.

1528-1598.....Henri Estienne (aka Henricus Stephanus or Henry Stephens),16th century Parisian printer. In 1578 Plato's Dialogues published. Thesaurus Linguae Graecae in 4 volumes 1572, (and a supplement in 2 volumes). He improved old translations, or made new Latin translations, of many Greek authors.

1624......Sir Kenelm Digby inherited the transcript and transferred it to the Bodleian Library of Oxford. (Ms Digby 23, Selden cupboard)

1626......Francis Bacon, 1st Viscount of St Alban, publishes fictional work The New Atlantis about an island in the Pacific.

1804......Thomas Taylor, a banker / philosophist translated the latin texts of Plato into English from his avid interests in Kenelm Digby.

1871......Ben Jowett, translations

1882....Ignatius Donnelly publishes one of the best scientific views of Atlantis in Atlantis: The Antediluvian World. A year after Atlantis he published Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel.

1903....John Burnet's Greek works of Platonis Opera

1925....W.R.M.Lamb, Plato in 12 volumes

1929....R.G.Bury translations

https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/

The Egyptian Am-Duat also mentions Atlantis as the 4th and 5th hours of Ra's journey known as Khenti-Amenti or Amentet. (Foremost of the Westerners and Western lands)
Rosetau was the name of the entrance beginning at the 4th hour after the voyage over Uranes or Libya.

There the Sun died and was reborn with Truth in Seker's[SKR] realm that also relates to Homer's island of Scheria [SKRia and the highly advanced Phaeacians with magical ships.

CRITIAS II FROM CRITIAS;

"My great-grandfather, Dropides, had the original writing, which is still in my possession, and was carefully studied by me when I was a child."


SOCRATES FROM TIMAEUS.

"And what other, Critias, can we find that will be better than this, which is natural and suitable to the festival of the goddess, and has the very great advantage of being a fact and not a fiction?


 




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 19, 2010, 01:58:54 am
An interesting concept to note about JA MN being our True God as it was for Egypt and Atlantis.

I have previously demonstrated how JA MN is our oldest recorded God and how Egypt preserved His Name as AMEN or IMN,that is spelled JMN in Egyptian. I have also shown how JA MN means I AM as written in the Bible, both from the meaning of His first and last name and from the letters.

JA,IA or YA for our modern english would translate from JAO/JOA to JON or JOHN.

JA MN being Eternal or Aeternal, I write His Name sometimes as AEJA MN or simply AEJON,of which I am not the first to write AEJON that also relates to AEONS or ERAS of AGES and coincidently we find the first Phoenician God as AEON around 3000.bC.

JA MN was later replaced by the great Phoenician lie of "yahoweh elohim" or "lord who will become the all powerful one" as translated from Hebrew,after 600.bC and when the Bible was being translated from the "original and later edited" version of the Hebrew into the Septuagint and Latin Vulgate around the time of Alexander the Great and the Library of Alexandria before it fell to Pergamons lies.

We know from the original septuagint that the hebrews [sub-group of Phoenicians ca.1300.bC] in the beginning of Genesis called God Elohym [powerful one] and then afterwards called him "yahoweh elohym" that was translated in the Septuagint as "Lord God" that provenances the original use of yahoweh as the sub-servant name of Lord. In Hebrew, yahoweh has many different translations as I have shown that include vanity and destruction, but in it's deepest meaning is "lord who will become".

Later,the hebrews realizing upon the editions of the pentateuch or 5 books of moses,that God told moses to call him "I AM" or AHYM in hebrew, they "cleverly" changed YHWH for God in exchange for Elohym or ALHYM. Notice how Elohim is closer to what God said to moses[AHYM/ALHYM] for I AM and how yhwh is a disguise?

The Letter of Aristeas to Pharaoh Ptolomy also demonstrates that 72 questions were asked of the 6 x 12 hebrew rabbis and 72 times they only said the word "God" being unaware of his real name or "cleverly" concealing his real name, (JA MN) as preserved by the older Egyptians and histories of Europe,Africa,India and Asia as part of their rouse into power and freedom from Alexander's Sword. Today they still maintain that power and great lie of twisted truths and "cleverness" for the cleaving hooved one known simply as ZA or The Fallen Son and last letter of our Alphabet that is drawn by the Egyptian Ankh in Linear A. Thus today's ZAionist Phoenicians and their evil star of power from the "Red Shield and Red Dragon" of kabbalistic and african voodoos, or a 5500 year old war coupled with a 2500 year old lie about God.

Evermore,if there is one thing that connects us all as Linear A also does in antiquity,it is our VOWELS. A word from the latin "Vocalis" or "to speak".
Interesting to think along the semitic lines that VOW-ELS can also mean an "Oath from God",for in truth everything we are or have is from God.

All languages must have vowels to communicate to a minimum of I-A-U or the common A-E-I-O-U and sometimes Y additive.

In essence,vowels we can say are the root of God's mind and teachings for us aside of our 5 fingers and toes.

In languages I,Y and J interchange thus IA for Greeks,YA for hebrews and JA for English and recall that God is Aeternal.


Watch this.

A-E-I-O-U = AEJOU = AEJON_(AEJOA/AEJAO)________I-A-U = JAU = JAN (JAO/JOA)

we can also flip the U to draw an "N" or as a V is the letter "N" in Greek,aside of a phonetic diphthong or tripthong sound at the ending translating the U into UA or AU like JOA or JON.

Further provenance why AeJA MN is our true Creator God above All other "lords".

Letters and numbers don't lie, people do or "clever" ones should I say.

A-E-I-O-U = AEJA MN = JA MN = JMN = IMN = AMEN = I AM.

hu-M-a-N, M-a-N, wo-M-a-N, M-i-N-D, M-e-N-sa.

MN,MN,MN > MENE,MENE,MENE > FORGET ME NOT FOR I AM.

The writing is upon the wall.

AEJOR MN
SAJARA
AEJA MN

"And His Name Shall Be The Word Of God".

God's Name JA written on top of the Great Pyramid in Cairo.[zoomed in]

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/Ja_Great_Pyramid_Cairo.bmp)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 19, 2010, 04:53:46 pm

Some people may say, well Atum or Atum-Ra was the first God of Egypt and not Min or Amen.
We should also consider that the Ogdoad (8 gods) was older than the Ennead (9 gods that include Osiris and Isis)[Auser/Aset]
The Ogdoad also compares to the Biblical reference of 8 beings on the Ark of Noah. Amen and Amenet[Amaun/Amaunet] are also included in the Ogdoad. My belief is that Ra or Sun worship didn't arise until the Sun Temples were constructed around or just prior to Khufu ca.2600.bC. We can also note that Horus worship appears after Min or around the time of Narmer when Hathor was evident.

We can provenance that Min[Amen] is in fact older from the physical presence of the Min or El Amrah Palette ca.4000.bC.
Bear in mind that these dates can be 1000 years older and actually around 5000.bC for Min and 4200.bC for Menes,that compliments the dating of the Egyptian calendar to 4241.bC.


Min Palette; Amratian/Gerzean era ca.3600-4000.bC (Naqada I-IId)

MIN palette (El Amrah palette)
British Museum 35501
El Amrah, tomb B62 (Naqada IId)

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/francescoraf/hesyra/palettes/min.htm

Sequence of Rulers of Thinis/Abydos edited by G.Dreyer in Umm el-Qaab.p.178.

Oryx standard
Shell
Fish
Elephant
Bull
Bucranium standard?
Stork
Canid
Bucranium standard?

Scorpion I
Falcon I
_________________________Min standard+plant
?
Falcon II?
Lion
Double Falcon

Iry-Hor
Ka
Scorpion II
Narmer_________________ca.3200.bC(Menes)

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/francescoraf/hesyra/dynasty00.htm

Other names around 3300.bC or Iry-Hor's era include;
Ny-Hor,Pe-Hor,Hat-Hor,Hedj-Hor and Crocodile.

Another curious thought is that the Narmer[Menes] palette shows 10 fallen and beheaded kings prior to Menes.
In the Am-Duat or Ra's voyage to the underworld[Tuat],we find as I've mentioned,that the 4th and 5th hours take place in the Atlantic Ocean commencing at Rostau[entrance/4th hour]and reaching the 5th hour or Atlantis as Amentet or Khenti-Amenti.
Seker,"The Falcon Headed God" was the ruler of this district where the Sun was reborn with Truth in Atlantis,the Foremost Island of God and Creation.[HA.t-tA-nTr-iw/Atlantis]

Coincidently, we find the name of SK' or Seka on the Palermo Stone and an as yet unanswered question if the 10 Kings on the Narmer Palette and these 9 kings(missing one)are the same and if they are the 10 Atlantean Kings around the Double Falcon era? It doesn't take a genius to connect "Double Falcons" with "Twin Kings".

Could Seka also have been Atlas since "Ka" is also drawn with the risen arms glyph?[enduring] Is Seka who the Egyptians conceived as Seker in the Am-Duat? [enduring]

Min or Menes also means to "be established" or "enduring" like Atlas or Amen that also means West as in imn or imnti(amen/amenti).

Palermo Stone prior to Menes lists from oldest;

1) #-pu(pw)
2) Seka (SK')____conference Seker in the Am-Duat for realm of Atlantis.
3) Khayu (H'yw)
4) Teyew (Tyw)
5) Thesh (Ts)
6) Ne"heb (N-"hb)[nekeb/necheb]
7) Wadjenedj (W'd-'nd)[wazenez/uadjenedj]
8) Mekh (Mh)
9) #-a


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 20, 2010, 07:11:20 pm
A field in the Am-Duat is mentioned as being 220 measures long by 300 measures wide.

Earth equatorial circumference = 40,075 km / 24,901 miles / 24 = 1037.5 mph
12,450.5 miles = night or day travel
The Sun would travel at 1037.5 mph.!!

Each field = 1037.5 miles / 220 measures = 4.72 miles per measure

300 = 1,416 miles (Kerma, Sudan to Inegol, Turkey)
Roughly Azores Islands to Cape Verde.

A field would be 1037.5 miles long by 1,416 miles wide beginning at the Sphinxes head.

4th field reaches Rastau = 3,112.50 miles from Giza Rastau.

The 5th field is known as Amentet,where the 4th and 5th fields would make up the area and location of Atlantis Island being 300 measures wide by 440 measures long or 1,416 miles wide by 2075 long that is outlined by the yellow square.

Note the proximity of Rastau's entrance to my Josephine/Torre location for the Royal City before the Straites.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/3112.5_Miles_Sphinxhead_Rostau.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Alluvial_Atlantis_100000bC_Riven_05.JPG)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 26, 2010, 10:09:35 pm
Atlantis Exists.

Here's a new picture of my Atlantis Royal City location 475 miles before the Straites of Gibraltar. Cleito's Hill, Visible Wall and Circular Arc  can be seen in this Google Earth image.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Josephine_seamount_Riven2k10.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Alluvial_Atlantis_100000bC_Riven_05.JPG)


https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/

Changing MainStream Science.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 27, 2010, 02:55:15 pm
Some new underwater pics.

Cleito,which means sloping hill or emperor's favorite,is approximately 10 miles from the sea wall viewable at Josephine that is comparable to the 5.7 or 6 miles in Plato.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Josephine_seamount_Riven2k10.jpg)


(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Atlantis-wall-wsw-view_underocean_Riven.jpg)


(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Cleito%27s-Hill-wswview_underocean_Riven.jpg)

Seeing is believing. :)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on April 27, 2010, 06:59:40 pm
It's just an underwater sea mount Paulo :)


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 28, 2010, 01:41:52 am
It's just a hill prof.schliemann. Troy isn't there.

Denial,denial,denial as usual Qoais? You need bigger glasses.
Perhaps I could interest you in a face on mars book? Nah, you probably already have one.



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on April 28, 2010, 10:02:54 pm
First account of Plato’s preservation of Atlantis; Timaeus / Benjamin Jowett translation.

Egyptian Priest to Solon;
“For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire, which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits;

-“WHICH ARE BY YOU CALLED the pillars of Hercules”
Egyptian priest verifies to Solon that they are in fact talking about the Straite of Gibraltar that both men knew by name ca.570-564.bC.
- no need to mistake the bosphorous straites or entrance to the Euxine Sea, as it was known back then. Clearly Plato would have written the word Euxine.

- SEA WITHIN IS ONLY A HARBOR compared to the Atlantic Ocean or True Sea.
-the Mediterranean Sea is classified as a harbor. Even if the smaller Euxine was combined with the Caspian, it would still amount to being near the Mediterranean Sea in size, and clearly not a True Ocean or Sea like the Atlantic.

Atlantis subjected the lands INSIDE of the straites up to Italy and Egypt.
-   Impossible for the Black Sea to relate to this statement, especially with Greece in the way.
-   Atlantis Island had to be near enough to the Mediterranean to maintain that control, which they could not have done from the Americas or Indonesia.
-   Identifies westward location for Atlantis and before the straites of Gibraltar.
-   
Atlantis attacked the whole of Europe [after Italy] and Asia.[Egypt/Levant/Anatolia].
-   Clearly Black Sea Atlantis theories could not be attacking themselves and this also identifies the westward location of Atlantis in the Atlantic.

Nothing complicated about the above, anything else is merely denial or pure ignorance.


Second account of Plato’s preservation of Atlantis; Critias / Benjamin Jowett translation.

Looking towards the sea, but in the center of the whole island, there was a plain, which is said to have been the fairest of all plains and very fertile. Near the plain again, and also in the center of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side.

Poseidon fell in love with her and had intercourse with her, and breaking the ground, enclosed the hill in which she dwelt all round, making alternate zones of sea and land larger and smaller, encircling one another; there were two of land and three of water, which he turned as with a lathe, each having its circumference equidistant every way from the center, so that no man could get to the island,

And beginning from the sea they bored a canal of three hundred feet in width and one hundred feet in depth and fifty stadia in length, which they carried through to the outermost zone, making a passage from the sea up to this,

Leaving the palace and passing out across the three you came to a wall which began at the sea and went all round: this was everywhere distant fifty stadia from the largest zone or harbour, and enclosed the whole, the ends meeting at the mouth of the channel which led to the sea.

Cleito’s Hill Enclosed;

Cleito’s [sloping] Hill was on the central island and surrounded by concentric circles.
The Canal was 50 stadia from the Sea where the Sea Wall began.
Stade or Stadia = 605ft [or 607]
50 x 605 = 30,025 ft / 5280ft = 5.73 miles.

Josephine Seamount;
-   sloping hill
-   concentric circle surrounding sloping hill
-   sea wall
-   circle approx 10 miles from sea wall
-   475 miles before the Straites of Gibraltar precisely as Plato preserved.
-   In the Atlantic Ocean
-   Able to Control the Mediterranean up to Italy and Egypt
-   
(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Josephine_seamount_Riven2k10.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Atlantis-wall-wsw-view_underocean_Riven.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Cleito%27s-Hill-wswview_underocean_Riven.jpg)

As for the Hippocrates who deny the existence of Atlantis.
What is it that they do believe?
They BELIEVE that Plato wrote an Allegorical lesson.
Prove Plato existed.
You can’t do that either can you!
Obviously you don’t know what to believe, do you?
What’s that? You have to accept it for face value?

I may be the last person standing before 6.9 billion people, but I will always maintain Atlantis is a real and factual account preserved by Plato from Solon from Egypt.

I don’t underestimate their intelligence.
To Know Is Immortal.






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 03, 2010, 07:07:04 pm
In truth,the best way to achieve success for our search for Atlantis is to accept Plato for his atonement of antiquity and to take literally his words as written, rather than to alter his works for our suppositions of self intellect and fanciful locations for Atlantis other than what Plato immortalized. For if we denounce the veritable testimony of sworn truth by all those great Greek philosophers, an Egyptian king and Priests in the Legend of Atlantis, who maintained with fervor their histories as being true, then we would have to denounce all of their works and settle for an ill realization. Being that all the philosophers and great scholars of yesterday were nothing more than fabricated ideologies of secret societies to mold the minds of our youth with hidden ethnics for their own personal gain of control over us and that no such philosophers like Socrates, Plato, Zeno, Herodotus, etc ever existed but were mere contraptions of imagination by clever writers of secret societies. Such as our histories and truths were also hidden and suppressed due to the diseased theosophical mind of falling libraries built out of biblical mortar and a wall with 3000.bC written upon it that no man should pass into the Garden of Adam and Eve and the great lie of a selfish nation favored by a vain and destructive lord named yahoweh.

Ja Mn is God and ALL nations are favored by Him to reflect His Aeternal Spirit of Love and Compassion as He was also preserved by Egypt as Min or Amen, thus we say Amen after our prayers without realizing it's "hidden" meaning of truth.

Whereas if we say that Atlantis doesn't exist and those authors all swore to truth, then we would have to say that they didn't exist either for a lie has no spirit to continue eternaly, let alone 2500 years for our Atlantis legend or 2000 years like their fabricated lord yahoweh and altered Bible of which they survive because of Spirit.

In many respects, the Josephine Torre Seamount mirrors quite sufficiently to Plato's preservation of Atlantis in the Timaeus and Critias dialogues.

Not only for it's geographical location being precisely before the Straite of Gibraltar or for it's topographical features to Atlantis and it's SeaWall, but also for it's geological properties that include a formidable explanation for the reason of the island of Atlantis having been sunken by an earthquake in a single day and night as written by Plato.
A devastation on such a scale that flooded the entire mediterranean and was identified as the greatest deluge of all to Solon and the Egyptian Priest that was the third before the flood of Deukalion or prior to 1529.bC. A devastation that embedded the words upon the lips of ancient tribes relating the world flood legends to echo for millenias of cultural generations. A devastation that flooded the Black and Red Seas and even poured into the plains of mesopotamia to send Utnaphishtim afloat on an ark to a new frontier of human preservation for the Sumerians and Babylonians.

The Josephine Torre Seamount, also known as the Madeira rise, stretches some 1000 miles nne by ssw and some 300 miles in width as it sits 5000m below on the Great Abyssal Plain that continuously receives the undertow of the Gibraltar Straites as mother nature's broom smoothing and cleaning her ocean floor.
Generaly, the Josephine Seamount is thought to be around 90 myo with her volcanic activities ending some 6 to 9 mya upon a major hotspot of the murkey bottom.
The Seamount is mainly comprised of basaltic (lava) and limestone rock with sounding tests revealing a harder material under her marine coat of silt,plankton,coral and geothermal productivity. Basalt is found in 90 per cent of rocks on Earth. The Josephine peaks can be reached some 140m below the Ocean surface that would have been above water in antiquity while her Ormonde and Amperes family seamounts are some 40 - 60m below the ocean surface.

As you can see in the pictures below, a vibrant ecosystem capable of sustaining life would clearly have thrived long ago, just like the Azores was much larger and the celtic shelf around England and Ireland teemed with ancestors of the Tuatha De Danaan and Leif Erikson or the Keltoi of Iberia as early Atlanteans.

The reason for the destruction of Atlantis and the great earthquake reported is clearly because of the Eurasian and African plates that form the Azores Gibraltar Fault Line that runs right through the Josephine, Ormonde banks. Nnw of Josephine and Nne of Azores we see a monolithic transform fracture that would easily engulf the Azores Islands had it been there and evidence of a "great rip" in the Ocean floor from the Eurasian plate conquering the African plate like the Greek Hercules battling the Libyan giant Antaeus.The Azores Gibraltar fault line is a highly volatile section that includes frequent earthquakes and one of the largest Volcanic regions of the Atlantic along with the area of Cape Verde Islands.

Combine the fault line of the enormous plates, the huge transform fracture, the mid atlantic ridge spreading on the west side and the intense thermal conductivity that would also produce methane gases that drop airplanes out of skies and we can see how accurate Plato's words reflect the destruction of Atlantis and a veritable reason for it's location before the Straites of Gibraltar.

- hill surrounded by concentric circles
- seawall some 10 miles from the eastern arc surrounding the hill
- another arc below and in front of the eastern arc
- concentric arcs viewable behind the hill on the west side
- before the straites of gibraltar
- evidence of earthquakes, volcanos and a great disaster zone
- able to have disappeared in a single night and day
- plausible to have blocked the straites with mud and shoals as part of a sub-continental island.
- tropical to sub tropical climate
- able to control europe to italy and africa to egypt as written by Plato
- surrounded by divers islands and the way to the boundless Americas continents
- red, white and black rocks like the azores, canaries, cape verde, madeira islands
- in the Atlantic Ocean and Seafaring Tribes

The pictures below will help you visualize both the seamounts above water and their destructive regions and plate tectonic movements. Red is the land immediately below the ocean surface.
 If you save my new Josephine Atlantis google picture to your hard drive and zoom into a larger picture you can make out more concentric rings behind the hill on the west side and another piece of arc in front and below the viewable arc before the hill on the east side appearing just as they would from having been submerged.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Josephine_seamount_Riven2k10.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Azores%20Atlantis.JPG)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Azores%20Gibraltar%20Fault.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Josephine%20Torre.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Alluvial_Atlantis_100000bC_Riven_05.JPG)

Then again, who's to say that a large chunk of Atlantis island didn't gracefully fall to the Ocean floor and became what we termed a seamount?




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 07, 2010, 07:37:50 pm
Colonel St Vincent Atlantis island map ca.1827.aD

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/1827.aD.jpg)

Athanasius Kircher Atlantis island map ca.1650.aD

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/kircher%20atlantis.jpg)

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Alluvial_Atlantis_100000bC_Riven_05.JPG)

Cyclade Islands stone map of Atlantis Royal City ca.2850.bC

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Cycladic_Map_of_Atlantis_2800bC.jpg)

Atlantean Etruscan Dragon handle Scepter with 10 lion kings ca.800.bC

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/the-atlantean-dragon-claw-orbis-ship/Dragon_Sceptre_of_Ampheres_10_Lions__Louvre__Riven05.jpg)

Atlantean Etruscan Dragon handle Sword commemmorating a kings request ca.800.bC

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1254269054479/Home/the-atlantean-dragon-claw-orbis-ship/Dragon_Sword_of_Ampheres_Kings_request_Riven05.jpg)

Atlantean Etruscan Araklum (Orichalcum) Lion bracelet ca.800.bC

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/_/rsrc/1253952750077/Home/plato-s-truth/Orichalcum__Lion_Bracelet_Etruscan_1000bC_Riven05.jpg)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 16, 2010, 01:09:57 pm
Here is a map by Ioannes Hugonius A. Linfehofen ca.1595.aD detailing the city of Angra do Heroismo (Cove of the  Heroes), on the southern side of the island of Terceira, Azores.  I was born on the north eastern side of Terceira in Praia da Victoria (Victory Beach).

This map details almost exactly to Critias' description of the plain on the island of Atlantis, albeit the concentric Royal City. The plain was portioned into 60,000 lots and was surrounded by mountains on the south,west and northern sides and open south easterly towards the region of Gades, Spain that matches this map as an excellent visual comparison for us to the Atlantean plain.

From Plato's Critias dialogue;

Quote
Looking towards the sea, but in the centre of the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest of all plains and very fertile. Near the plain again, and also in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side.

The whole country was said by him to be very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea, but the country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea; it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia. This part of the island looked towards the south, and was sheltered from the north. The surrounding mountains were celebrated for their number and size and beauty, far beyond any which still exist, having in them also many wealthy villages of country folk, and rivers, and lakes, and meadows supplying food enough for every animal, wild or tame, and much wood of various sorts, abundant for each and every kind of work.

As to the population, each of the lots in the plain had to find a leader for the men who were fit for military service, and the size of a lot was a square of ten stadia each way, and the total number of all the lots was sixty thousand.

(https://sites.google.com/site/tribesofatlantis/Home/evanor-s-emporium/Angra%20de%20Heroismo%20Teceira%20Azores.JPG)



Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 18, 2010, 01:39:39 am
Atlantis and the Gods of Antiquity
p. 33
ATLANTIS is the subject of a short but important article appearing in the Annual Report of the Board of Regents of The Smithsonian Institution for the year ending June 30th, 1915. The author, M. Pierre Termier, a member of the Academy of Sciences and Director of Service of the Geologic Chart of France, in 1912 delivered a lecture on the Atlantean hypothesis before the Institut Océanographique; it is the translated notes of this remarkable lecture that are published in the Smithsonian report.
"After a long period of disdainful indifference," writes M. Termier, "observe how in the last few years science is returning to the study of Atlantis. How many naturalists, geologists, zoologists, or botanists are asking one another today whether Plato has not transmitted to us, with slight amplification, a page from the actual history of mankind. No affirmation is yet permissible; but it seems more and more evident that a vast region, continental or made up of great islands, has collapsed west of the Pillars of Hercules, otherwise called the Strait of Gibraltar, and that its collapse occurred in the not far distant past. In any event, the question of Atlantis is placed anew before men of science; and since I do not believe that it can ever be solved without the aid of oceanography, I have thought it natural to discuss it here, in this temple of maritime science, and to call to such a problem, long scorned but now being revived, the attention of oceanographers, as well as the attention of those who, though immersed in the tumult of cities, lend an ear to the distant murmur of the sea."
In his lecture M. Termier presents geologic, geographic, and zoologic data in substantiation of the Atlantis theory. Figuratively draining the entire bed of the Atlantic Ocean, he considers the inequalities of its basin and cites locations on a line from the Azores to Iceland where dredging has brought lava to the surface from a depth of 3,000 meters. The volcanic nature of the islands now existing in the Atlantic Ocean corroborates Plato's statement that the Atlantean continent was destroyed by volcanic cataclysms. M. Termier also advances the conclusions of a young French zoologist, M. Louis Germain, who admitted the existence of an Atlantic continent connected with the Iberian Peninsula and with Mauritania and prolonged toward the south so as to include some regions of desert climate. M. Termier concludes his lecture with a graphic picture of the engulfment of that continent.
The description of the Atlantean civilization given by Plato in the Critias may be summarized as follows. In the first ages the gods divided the earth among themselves, proportioning it according to their respective dignities. Each became the peculiar deity of his own allotment and established therein temples to himself, ordained a priestcraft, and instituted a system of sacrifice. To Poseidon was given the sea and the island continent of Atlantis. In the midst of the island was a mountain which was the dwelling place of three earth-born primitive human beings--Evenor; his wife, Leucipe; and their only daughter, Cleito. The maiden was very beautiful, and after the sudden death of her parents she was wooed by Poseidon, who begat by her five pairs of male children. Poseidon apportioned his continent among these ten, and Atlas, the eldest, he made overlord of the other nine. Poseidon further called the country Atlantis and the surrounding sea the Atlantic in honor of Atlas. Before the birth of his ten sons, Poseidon divided the continent and the coastwise sea into concentric zones of land and water, which were as perfect as though turned upon a lathe. Two zones of land and three of water surrounded the central island, which Poseidon caused to be irrigated with two springs of water--one warm and the other cold.
The descendants of Atlas continued as rulers of Atlantis, and with wise government and industry elevated the country to a position of surpassing dignity. The natural resources of Atlantis were apparently limitless. Precious metals were mined, wild animals domesticated, and perfumes distilled from its fragrant flowers. While enjoying the abundance natural to their semitropic location, the Atlanteans employed themselves also in the **** of palaces, temples, and docks. They bridged the zones of sea and later dug a deep canal to connect the outer ocean with the central island, where stood the palaces And temple of Poseidon, which excelled all other structures in magnificence. A network of bridges and canals was created by the Atlanteans to unite the various parts of their kingdom.
Plato then describes the white, black, and red stones which they quarried from beneath their continent and used in the construction of public buildings and docks. They circumscribed each of the land zones with a wall, the outer wall being covered with brass, the middle with tin, and the inner, which encompassed the citadel, with orichalch. The citadel, on the central island, contained the pal aces, temples, and other public buildings. In its center, surrounded by a wall of gold, was a sanctuary dedicated to Cleito and Poseidon. Here the first ten princes of the island were born and here each year their descendants brought offerings. Poseidon's own temple, its exterior entirely covered with silver and its pinnacles with gold, also stood within the citadel. The interior of the temple was of ivory, gold, silver, and orichalch, even to the pillars and floor. The temple contained a colossal statue of Poseidon standing in a chariot drawn by six winged horses, about him a hundred Nereids riding on dolphins. Arranged outside the building were golden statues of the first ten kings and their wives.
In the groves and gardens were hot and cold springs. There were numerous temples to various deities, places of exercise for men and for beasts, public baths, and a great race course for horses. At various vantage points on the zones were fortifications, and to the great harbor came vessels from every maritime nation. The zones were so thickly populated that the sound of human voices was ever in the air.
That part of Atlantis facing the sea was described as lofty and precipitous, but about the central city was a plain sheltered by mountains renowned for their size, number, and beauty. The plain yielded two crops each year,, in the winter being watered by rains and in the summer by immense irrigation canals, which were also used for transportation. The plain was divided into sections, and in time of war each section supplied its quota of fighting men and chariots.
The ten governments differed from each other in details concerning military requirements. Each of the kings of Atlantis had complete control over his own kingdom, but their mutual relationships were governed by a code engraved by the first ten kings on a column' of orichalch standing in the temple of Poseidon. At alternate intervals of five and six years a pilgrimage was made to this temple that equal honor might be conferred upon both the odd and the even numbers. Here, with appropriate sacrifice, each king renewed his oath of loyalty upon the sacred inscription. Here also the kings donned azure robes and sat in judgment. At daybreak they wrote their sentences upon a golden tablet: and deposited them with their robes as memorials. The chief laws of the Atlantean kings were that they should not take up arms against each other and that they should come to the assistance of any of their number who was attacked. In matters of war and great moment the final decision was in the hands of the direct descendants of the family of Atlas. No king had the power of life and death over his kinsmen without the assent of a majority of the ten.
Plato concludes his description by declaring that it was this great empire which attacked the Hellenic states. This did not occur, however, until their power and glory had lured the Atlantean kings from the pathway of wisdom and virtue. Filled with false ambition, the rulers of Atlantis determined to conquer the entire world. Zeus, perceiving the wickedness of the Atlanteans, gathered the gods into his holy habitation and addressed them. Here Plato's narrative comes to an abrupt end, for the Critias was never finished. In the Timæus is a further description of Atlantis, supposedly given to Solon by an Egyptian priest and which concludes as follows:
"But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of rain all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared, and was sunk beneath the sea. And that is the reason why the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is such a quantity of shallow mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island."
In the introduction to his translation of the Timæus, Thomas Taylor quotes from a History of Ethiopia written by Marcellus, which contains the following reference to Atlantis: "For they relate that in their time there were seven islands in the Atlantic sea, sacred to Proserpine; and besides these, three others of an immense magnitude; one of which was sacred to Pluto, another to Ammon, and another, which is the middle of these, and is of a thousand stadia, to Neptune." Crantor, commenting upon Plato, asserted that the Egyptian priests declared the story of Atlantis to be written upon pillars which were still preserved circa 300 B.C. (See Beginnings or Glimpses of Vanished Civilizations.) Ignatius Donnelly, who gave the subject of Atlantis profound study, believed that horses were first domesticated by the Atlanteans, for which reason they have always been considered peculiarly sacred to Poseidon. (See Atlantis.)
From a careful consideration of Plato's description of Atlantis it is evident that the story should not be regarded as wholly historical but rather as both allegorical and historical. Origen, Porphyry, Proclus, Iamblichus, and Syrianus realized that the story concealed a profound philosophical mystery, but they disagreed as to the actual interpretation. Plato's Atlantis symbolizes the threefold nature of both the universe and the human body. The ten kings of Atlantis are the tetractys, or numbers, which are born as five pairs of opposites. (Consult Theon of Smyrna for the Pythagorean doctrine of opposites.) The numbers 1 to 10 rule every creature, and the numbers, in turn, are under the control of the Monad, or 1--the Eldest among them.
With the trident scepter of Poseidon these kings held sway over the inhabitants of the seven small and three great islands comprising Atlantis. Philosophically, the ten islands symbolize the triune powers of the Superior Deity and the seven regents who bow before His eternal throne. If Atlantis be considered as the archetypal sphere, then its immersion signifies the descent of rational, organized consciousness into the illusionary, impermanent realm of irrational, mortal ignorance. Both the sinking of Atlantis and the Biblical story of the "fall of man" signify spiritual involution--a prerequisite to conscious evolution.
Either the initiated Plato used the Atlantis allegory to achieve two widely different ends or else the accounts preserved by the Egyptian priests were tampered with to perpetuate the secret doctrine. This does not mean to imply that Atlantis is purely mythological, but it overcomes the most serious obstacle to acceptance of the Atlantis theory, namely, the fantastic accounts of its origin, size, appearance, and date of destruction--9600 B.C. In the midst of the central island of Atlantis was a lofty mountain which cast a shadow five thousand stadia in extent and whose summit touched the sphere of æther. This is the axle mountain of the world, sacred among many races and symbolic of the human head, which rises out of the four elements of the body. This sacred mountain, upon whose summit stood the temple of the gods, gave rise to the stories of Olympus, Meru, and Asgard. The City of the Golden Gates--the capital of Atlantis--is the one now preserved among numerous religions as the City of the Gods or the Holy City. Here is the archetype of the New Jerusalem, with its streets paved with gold and its twelve gates shining with precious stones.
"The history of Atlantis," writes Ignatius Donnelly, "is the key of the Greek mythology. There can be no question that these gods of Greece were human beings. The tendency to attach divine attributes to great earthly rulers is one deeply implanted in human nature." (See Atlantis.)
The same author sustains his views by noting that the deities of the Greek pantheon were nor looked upon as creators of the universe but rather as regents set over it by its more ancient original fabricators. The Garden of Eden from which humanity was driven by a flaming sword is perhaps an allusion to the earthly paradise supposedly located west of the Pillars of Hercules and destroyed by volcanic cataclysms. The Deluge legend may be traced also to the Atlantean inundation, during which a "world" was destroyed by water.,
Was the religious, philosophic, and scientific knowledge possessed by the priestcrafts of antiquity secured from Atlantis, whose submergence obliterated every vestige of its part in the drama of world progress? Atlantean sun worship has been perpetuated in the ritualism and ceremonialism of both Christianity and pagandom. Both the cross and the serpent were Atlantean emblems of divine wisdom. The divine (Atlantean) progenitors of the Mayas and Quichés of Central America coexisted within the green and azure radiance of Gucumatz, the "plumed" serpent. The six sky-born sages came into manifestation as centers of light bound together or synthesized by the seventh--and chief--of their order, the "feathered" snake. (See the Popol Vuh.) The title of "winged" or "plumed" snake was applied to Quetzalcoatl, or Kukulcan, the Central American initiate. The center of the Atlantean Wisdom-Religion was presumably a great pyramidal temple standing on the brow of a plateau rising in the midst of the City of the Golden Gates. From here the Initiate-Priests of the Sacred Feather went forth, carrying the keys of Universal Wisdom to the uttermost parts of the earth.
The mythologies of many nations contain accounts of gods who "came out of the sea." Certain shamans among the American Indians tell of holy men dressed in birds' feathers and wampum who rose out of the blue waters and instructed them in the arts and crafts. Among the legends of the Chaldeans is that of Oannes, a partly amphibious creature who came out of the sea and taught the savage peoples along the shore to read and write, till the soil, cultivate herbs for healing, study the stars, establish rational forms of government, and become conversant with the sacred Mysteries. Among the Mayas, Quetzalcoatl, the Savior-God (whom some Christian scholars believe to have been St. Thomas), issued from the waters and, after instructing the people in the essentials of civilization, rode out to sea on a magic raft of serpents to escape the wrath of the fierce god of the Fiery Mirror, Tezcatlipoca.
May it not have been that these demigods of a fabulous age who, Esdras-like, came out of the sea were Atlantean priests? All that primitive man remembered of the Atlanteans was the glory of their golden ornaments, the transcendency of their wisdom, and the sanctity of their symbols--the cross and the serpent. That they came in ships was soon forgotten, for untutored minds considered even boats as supernatural. Wherever the Atlanteans proselyted they erected pyramids and temples patterned after the great sanctuary in the City of the Golden Gates. Such is the origin of the pyramids of Egypt, Mexico, and Central America. The mounds in Normandy and Britain, as well as those of the American Indians, are remnants of a similar culture. In the midst of the Atlantean program of world colonization and conversion, the cataclysms which sank Atlantis began. The Initiate-Priests of the Sacred Feather who promised to come back to their missionary settlements never returned; and after the lapse of centuries tradition preserved only a fantastic account of gods who came from a place where the sea now is.
H. P. Blavatsky thus sums up the causes which precipitated the Atlantean disaster: "Under the evil insinuations of their demon, Thevetat, the Atlantis-race became a nation of wicked magicians. In consequence of this, war was declared, the story of which would be too long to narrate; its substance may be found in the disfigured allegories of the race of Cain, the giants, and that of Noah and his righteous family. The conflict came to an end by the submersion of the Atlantis; which finds its imitation in the stories of the Babylonian and Mosaic flood: The giants and magicians '* * * and all flesh died * * * and every man.' All except Xisuthrus and Noah, who are substantially identical with the great Father of the Thlinkithians in the Popol Vuh, or the sacred book of the Guatemaleans, which also tells of his escaping in a large boat, like the Hindu Noah--Vaiswasvata. " (See Isis Unveiled.)
From the Atlanteans the world has received not only the heritage of arts and crafts, philosophies and sciences, ethics and religions, but also the heritage of hate, strife, and perversion. The Atlanteans instigated the first war; and it has been said that all subsequent wars were fought in a fruitless effort to justify the first one and right the wrong which it caused. Before Atlantis sank, its spiritually illumined Initiates, who realized that their land was doomed because it had departed from the Path of Light, withdrew from the ill-fated continent. Carrying with them the sacred and secret doctrine, these Atlanteans established themselves in Egypt, where they became its first "divine" rulers. Nearly all the great cosmologic myths forming the foundation of the various sacred books of the world are based upon the Atlantean Mystery rituals.
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THE SCHEME OF THE UNIVERSE ACCORDING TO THE GREEKS AND ROMANS.
From Cartari's Imagini degli Dei degli Antichi.
By ascending successively through the fiery sphere of Hades, the spheres of water, Earth, and air, and the heavens of the moon, the plane of Mercury is reached. Above Mercury are the planes of Venus, the sun, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, the latter containing the symbols of the Zodiacal constellations. Above the arch of the heavens (Saturn) is the dwelling Place of the different powers controlling the universe. The supreme council of the gods is composed of twelve deities--six male and six female--which correspond to the positive and negative signs of the zodiac. The six gods are Jupiter, Vulcan, Apollo, Mars, Neptune, and Mercury; the six goddesses are Juno, Ceres, Vesta, Minerva, Venus, and Diana. Jupiter rides his eagle as the symbol of his sovereignty over the world, and Juno is seated upon a peacock, the proper symbol of her haughtiness and glory.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta07.htm

From The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Freemason extraordinaire Manly P.Hall


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 24, 2010, 07:03:04 pm
 A response to a post in my thread "Atlantean sStA of Aegyptos" in Above Top Secret Forums.

Maegnas;
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"I do want to study Atlantis, in fact I would leave my work behind to do so. If you can point me to ONE artifact that is of Atlantis, I am off. "

You sound like a pessimist or someone with a phobia to research history. What should we call it? Historiaphobia? Your just making up an excuse to avoid what you desire to do, as you stated. Why should lack of veritable proof for an artifact from Atlantis deter your ambition? Maybe you might be so fortunate to discover such an artifact?

How could man have landed on the moon with that attitude? Show me a piece of moonrock to prove that the moon exists and I'll go there? You must go there  to find the answer, thus you must research Atlantis to achieve success in finding an artifact from Atlantis.

Atlantean artifacts we can find all over the place, since we know that Atlanteans do in fact exist, however an actual artifact from Atlantis island is the greatest challenge.
Mostly because we don't know her real name, well most people anyway.

On the other hand, we don't know if actual artifacts from Atlantis are being kept in secret places somewhere by private collectors or secret societies who suppress Atlantis and keep it well hidden, for now. For example, all the talk about Atlantean artifacts under the Sphinx in the Hall of Records and "secretive" retrievals at night of artifact extractions beneath the Sphinx or in the cavern underground systems, as reported of late. I doubt that Zawi Hawass, the FreeMasons or anyone else of "Secret Agencies" would want to admit that everything Egypt is and our technological world today derives from Atlantean ancestors. When you look at all that Egypt is, you are looking in a mirror of Atlantis, the same as it is for the Minoans or Mayans, albeit their differences.

The most powerful people of yesterday and even today, were not the pharaohs, kings or queens or governmental rulers, but the Priests who kept the "mysteries" well hidden and their "formulas" of power and control. Apparently, this "Secret Agency" was a group of the "unruly Atlanteans" as mentioned by Plato's dialogue Critias, or perhaps the "Dark Brothers" that Thoth's emerald tablets told us to be aware of (eg; Zawi Hawass). These "dark ones" or "broken oracles" sought out control of the world, it's secret formulas, advanced weapons and may have been the cause for the downfall of Atlantis island from "advanced weapons" as some authors relate.

No different than today's "Secret Agency" or NWO setting up their "systems" around the world and seeking exclusive control over nuclear arsenals, hence Iran next on the "target list" and why Israel (Phoenicia) haven't signed a non proliferation nuclear agreement. (Rothchilds).

The Phoenicians are the unruly Atlanteans who comprise the "Secret Agency" of today, or Illuminati if you like. (Ill-minded-ruined ones). Hence the evil Dark Brothers from Atlantis. Solomon, the bible and all that other stuff is just a smokescreen for Freemasons and all other secret societies who actually look to Egypt for the core of their knowledge.

Why? Because Egypt is the mirror of Atlantis and they know that the truth about Atlantis will reveal them all, the bible, our true God's and Goddesses and our true histories and the "title deeds" to all that they own. Thus it is suppressed and it's secrets well guarded as you can see and understand why.

That is why researching Atlantis leads you down the path of our truths, because the further back you can go in history the closer you are to truth. A truth that they keep changing every 100 or 300 years or so since we only live 120 years or 10 generations to stay ahead of the game.

In relation to finding actual evidence from Atlantis island you would first have to know what the actual name of Atlantis was, and then you have to hope to find that name written on such an artifact.

Now do you understand why it is so important to know the Egyptian name for Atlantis?

Atlas and Atlantis may be Greek names derived from the Egyptians who's myths also expanded into every one's cultures around the mediterranean even to Sumer and Babylonian or the Chaldeans. But Atlas was translated from an Egyptian name according to the Greek definition or meaning of the name Atlas.

At-Laos = Foremost of The People in ancient Greece, thus Atlantis would be Foremost of the People's Lands.

Another factor is that these 10 Kings are mirrored around the entire mediterranean or even this planet, just like the flood legends. The bible also has 10 patriarchs.

I've shown the Atlantean Etruscan Sceptor ca.800.bC with 10 lion statuettes and a dragon handle.

Wonder why only 10 lions on a sceptor from a culture that was controlled by Atlantis?
Could classify this as an artifact from Atlantis or copied from a King of Atlantis?

Why does Deuka Lion also relate to 10 kings.?

Apollo is the Sun, Maia is the eldest daughter of Atlas.
Bostrephodon is read left to right and then right to left or vice versa.
Sometimes secrets are revealed in mirrors just like the 9 muses of Herodotus and Hesiod or The Secret of Mylo that reveals the control of a secret "vulcan" society.

Deukalion-Apollo-Maia
aiaM-ollopaA-noilakueD
Ai-am-ollo-para-nosa-ila-ku-e-D
Here I am(aqi) or As I Am Look(olla)-to(para)-our(nosa)-island(ila)-ku(that)-I(e)-gave(De/deh).

As I am look to our island that I gave you.

Atlantis.

God's "hidden" message.
Amen.

JA MN.






Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on May 25, 2010, 09:19:42 am
I Lost my best friend today who brought me into this planet Earth.

In Memory of Dutalina Teixeira Correia de Mn -(June 20th, 1925 - May 25, 2010)

Peace and all my love be with you mother. The World's Greatest Heart.

Happy 85th Birthday Mom, until next we embrace in our Father's Kingdom

 


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Qoais on May 25, 2010, 09:37:39 am
My condolences Paulo.

The Rose Beyond the Wall


A rose once grew where all could see

Sheltered beside a garden wall

And, as the days past swiftly by

It spread its branches, straight and tall



One day, a beam of light shone through

A crevice that had opened wide

The rose bent gently toward its warmth

Then passed beyond to the other side



Now, you who deeply feel its loss

Be comforted, the rose blooms there

It’s beauty even greater now

Nurtured by God’s own loving care.



Author unknown


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Chronos on May 26, 2010, 02:39:23 am
I am truly sorry for your loss, Riven, my friend. In times like this, it is more important than ever that we keep the faith.  You shall see one another again. In a far more pleasant place than this one.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Keith Ranville on May 26, 2010, 02:48:09 am
Loss of a love one is something that I don't handle well, and probably never will.. Paulo Riven time helps, it helped for me cope after my own losses of people that I cared dearly about..

All the Best,

Keith,


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Jennifer O'Dell on May 28, 2010, 05:40:32 pm
I am really sorry about your mom, Riven.  I lost my dad awhile ago, so I know the pain.

You aren't really alone, she is still watching over you, in heaven.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Ulric Lyons on June 01, 2010, 09:25:36 am

Condolences Paulo. My most noble Mother (Muller/Haffligger) passed away 9th February 2009 on a Lunar eclipse, aged 89 and 23 days. She gives me more strength than ever. My Father is 94, a Lyons from Lyonesse (Isles of Scilly), a very clever man, the worlds top rocket scientist in his day, he is on the dark side unfortunately!


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Ian Nottingham on June 02, 2010, 02:14:38 am
My deepest condolences, Riv.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Ian Nottingham on June 02, 2010, 02:27:14 am
Is your father anyone we might know, Ulric?  I have a passing knowledge of the history of rockets.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Ulric Lyons on June 02, 2010, 07:33:34 am
Watcha Ian,

My dad is Dennis John Lyons CB, he used to be head of Guided Weapons in Farnborough Hampshire, UK. The missile systems were Black Knight, Blue Streak ect., originally for carrying the Aldermaston atomic warheads.
 Dr King-Hele who was in the team, a pioneer in sattelite orbital equations, was one who suggested putting up sattelites with the systems. One of the last launches did exactly that.
King-Hele also looked at planet cycles causing climatic cycles, this is funnily enough what I do.
http://www.crawfordperspectives.com/Fairbridge-ClimateandKeplerianPlanetaryDynamics.htm

My father in law to be Ashtyn Smith, was also at GW in Farnborough, but left to the USA to work on weapon systems there, coming up with future weapon systems such as Moon based laser systems, which he named the Sword of Damacles. Ashtyn`s father was Reaph Smith, chairman of the British Interplanetatary Society, whose "scribe was Arthur C. Clark. Raeph and Ashtyn both wrote many story plots for Clarks books, including 2001 Space Odissy. It was actually Ashtyn and Raeph who came up with the sattelite idea. Raephs paintings of future rockets, spacesuits, moon bases with hydroponic gardens ect. became the inspiration for science fiction comics, and For J.F.K. to announce man was going to go to the Moon. (book;  Exploration of The Moon by Raeph Hereward Smith, text by Arthur C. Clark)
My dad got hived off onto road research when GW was shut down, Ashtyn dropped out and started a commune, give thanks, or we would all probably be dead by now, with the stuff they would have dreamed up. Just as well I didn`t go that way!
 U.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Boreas on June 03, 2010, 06:41:46 pm
Con do lances, Riven.
May you enjoy her ascenscion.

B.


Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 04, 2010, 12:10:15 am
My apologies, I thought I had posted a thankyou here.

Thankyou All for your compassion of spirit.
It is this compassion that provides us wisdom and sustenance.
Let Us Grow In Spirit.

As if my life does not have enough mysterious parallels or paradoxes in it with God or Atlantis or the Number 5 like the 5 mountains of Atlantis. What are the odds that my mother's funeral service was at a church named St.Augustine?

For those unaware, St.Augustine is who I suspect Chalcidius was who preserved Plato's Timaeus into Latin for us ca.350.aD, which is the oldest recorded preservation of Atlantis that is extant.

I suspected this because Chalcidius scribed Augustos rather than Angostos for "strait" in his latin text at Oxford's MS Digby 23,Selden cupboard record. St.Augustine and Chalcidius were contemporary to each other at that time.

Question being, was this error intentional by Chalcidius as a clue to his identity.?
St.Augustine also admired Plato and was in Syracuse where he could have had access to Plato's originals or a greek manuscript.


Ulric Lyons.
The key flood dates are 6482.bC and 3253.bC. The latter may be 800-1000 years older due to erroneous chronological kings records and or carbon dates. I estimate 885 missing years from my "mystical" date for Philitis the Shepherd at 3474.bC, December 10th, being murdered by Snoferu and Khufu, thus the missing years and also around the time when the Sun Temples were first forming that changed the lunar to solar calendars.

Therefore, 6482, 4250 and 3253.bC.
Hopefully we'll find a match with your flood research thesis.
Thanks and do post here your findings.




Title: Re: [R]...Tribes of Atlantis...[R]
Post by: Paulo Riven on June 06, 2010, 08:06:55 pm
Spirence = Spirit and Science = progress and success = left brain(male,history,science), right brain(female,eternity,spirit)

When we achieve Spirence or combine and balance both sides of our thought and understanding, or our two brain halves, then we can become an advanced person with higher wisdom and Lux of Ipse (light of beautiful self).

Spiritualy our Biblical Theosophists tell us that the Earth was created around 6000.bC and the Biblical Flood was ca.2350.bC, and the city of Mesopotamia's Ur
arose after the flood. Scientificaly, we know that Ur ascends around 3000.bC and that the Great Flood must have been older and impossible for the Earth to have been created around 6000.bC. It is also very important for us to realize that many of our false historical teachings were purposefully conformed to accommodate the theosophic views of the bible. A spiritual book composed of lies and truth designed to lead you "down" one path or ascend "up" another. Thus the far older histories of Egypt were suppressed as well as others like Atlantis and the highly advanced Atlantean civilizations where the Egyptians descended from, or in my view where we All descended from.

Spirence tells us that man and our Earth are far older than the theosophic view and that in truth, aside of determining a creation point, that man, woman and child must have had to started over again as children from a monolithic catastrophe of fires,waters and earthquakes. Not only once, but many times within the millions of years of Umankind. Surely, it would not take us millions of years to develop a written or symbolic form of communication or even civilizations. Thus we can see a definite problem with our Scholars advising us that writing appears around 3500.bC, especially since we realize the symbols and letters of our European Vinca cultures ca6000bC or our Azilian,Aterian ancestors writing in Iberia and NW Africa ca10,000.bC as the proponents of our root language in Linear A script that parented linear b and our Alphabet.

Plato's Timaeus;
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Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves.

Spirence also tells us that for every 10,000 years, Umans are capable of advanced technology such as we have today while scholars tell us that the height of our race types or different classes of people was some 50,000 years ago that also defines the widespread movement of man and our truer rise of civilizations towards our modern era. Scholars also relate that the apex of our brain development was 250,000 years ago, which means that Uman kind, being fortunate to have had such means of reasoning as we have today, would have been capable of all we have today back at that time. This tells us that 25 cycles of 10,000 years have passed for civilizations to achieve the levels we have today, but yet where are their records, buildings and artifacts other than the simple stone tools we find of the mousetarian or cro-magnon, neanderthal cultures? And what does that say for the 5 to 10 million year old Uman? Obviously it would not have taken Umans a million years to fully develop their brains or even civilizations and that everything we know is only contemporary to our modern time and understanding but not what actualy took place millions of years ago.

Are there entire cities and buildings like ours today buried many miles below our earth or under our ocean's crust beneath new skins of eras? Were the disasters of nuclear means or intense solar flares that metamorphised everything into glass or sand and dust?

Do evil illuminatis cycle the course of civilizations along the lines of nuclear technology that was already known by our ancient ancestors, then destroy the Earth to regain the lands for wealth and hybrid evolution of their own kind, then set upon us a pre-determined book of religions and philosophies of control and blame a God for their destructions while they rewrite our histories and belief systems?

This is all a part of Spirence where we must balance both sides of brains to attain higher understanding such as our cultural tribes throughout their histories reverted from patriarchetype male dominating Gods like Ptah or Osiris to matriarchetype female Goddesses like Hathor or Isis.

An excellent video series on Egypt's mysteries, can be seen in The Pyramid Code on the internet site, youtube that also discusses the male, female archetype roles, the "open" pyramid on a mountain at Abu Roash, slightly NW of Giza, quartz, sound and water "suttle" energies and how it relates with the pyramids or the interest in Napta Playa as a preliminary base for the evolution of the Egyptians. There is also research describing how the Nile moved eastward some 8 miles and that the pyramid causeways were once "docked" with the Nile. Part of the evidence that the Pyramids and Sphinx are far older than imagined and into the era of Atlantis.

For example how many people know that the vulture is female and the cobra is male or that the "bowling pin" shaped Upper or White Crown of Egypt is the Thymus Gland responsible for our adolescent growth and immunity systems or that the Red or Lower Crown is the Womb of a Woman. Whereas, when the two crowns were combined we have the Thymus nestled like an egg inside the womb. Naturaly, the extended coil of the Red Crown we would perceive as the Pineal Gland, responsible for our heightened awareness and sixth sense of the unknown like our dreams or premonitions and intuitions or ESP. Call it the third eye if you like and perhaps the symbology behind the illuminati eye of the pyramid or the eye of ra as the "allseeing". I would imagine that this is also the symbolism portrayed by bird headed gods like Horus as an allegory to be able to see all from the skies above, or a connection of the physical with the spiritual.

Professor Dr.Carmen Boulter, Univ.of Calgary,Alberta,Canada.
The Pyramid Code Part 1-25.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlSssnh4b7Q&feature=related

But, was there ever a time where both the Patriarchetype and Matriarchetypes co-existed in cultural tribes? Would this have been the era of the Golden Age?
I believe so, since I also believe that our Creator has a Wife and a family just as we all do and we were created in Their Image. I examine the possibility that prior to Hathor worship (Matriarchetype) in Egypt, which was also pre-dynastic just before Menes and Ptah (Patriarchetype), that we find the era of Double Falcon Worship.

Perhaps these two Falcons symbolized a society who worshipped both a God and a Goddess as equal, a Patri-Matri-archetype society somewhere between 3200 - 5200.bC or a late neolithic era suitable to have been the late Atlantean era also with Pyramid technology. That is considering that we should push back Egypt's 1st Dynasty and Menes 1000 years to 4200.bC due to erroneous kings lists, carbon dating and most importantly "biblical reformation", that advises us of the Greatest Deluge and the downfall of Atlantis Island occuring sometime prior to 4200.bC and a middle neolithic era of 4200-6200.bC for the Double Falcon societies of Egypt. This coincides with the geological dating of the bosphorous straites of Turkey and Constantinople opening ca.5700.bC where the Black or Euxine Sea was formed and flooded the Georgian Tribes upon the plains below and perhaps forming the Caspian or Hercualeaum Sea and giving rise to the the flood legends of Mesopotamia like the flood tablets of Nippur or the Gilgamesh Epic and the destruction of Atlantis that also wiped out the cultures in and around the Mediterranean Sea.

Plato's Timaeus;
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But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the