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Title: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 09:41:04 pm
"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him):

    "I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

    The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 09:43:04 pm
Flight 93 Shot Down by Lt Col Rick Gibney on 9/11
Pirate News TV
58 min 4 sec - Dec 26, 2007

Major Rick Gibney wins Airman Medal from Governor of North Dakota on 9/11/2002 "for flying a Special Mission to New York". As discussed in ... all Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies and censored on Popular Mechanics Debunking 9/11 Myths on History Channel:

"For some time, the Happy Hooligans have kept a permanent detachment with four F–16s, pilots, and crews on alert at Langley Air Force Base to provide air defense of the United States. I am not going to get into the details because it is important for national security not to reveal what they were doing, but they were very much in harm's way. I will not get into any more detail other than to say, these pilots —the Happy Hooligans, and any others who were involved in that scrambled mission to protect our Nation's Capital, and the region here in the DC area—really were willing to give their lives in a generally undefended position." -S9498, CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE, September 19, 2001

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 09:44:12 pm
Rumsfeld said it was shot down too, didn't he:

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 09:46:53 pm

Check out the 1:15 to 1:42 part of the clip. These are the four. They say 3 flew Security over the nations capital and the 4th flew a "special Mission" over NY.
But according to popular Mechanics the special mission was this....Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state's response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day's events. "I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany." Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93.

So....were they in Langley or not? Does Jacoby know for a fact that it was Gibney who was his pilot? If this happened? Are we supposed to believe that 3 were in Langley but the 4th was in North Dakota?

The two men, along with a third pilot who did not consent to be interviewed, were the first fliers to be scrambled in F-16's from Langley Air Force Base in Hampton, Va., shortly after the World Trade Center towers were hit. Armed with missiles but little information, they flew to Washington in time to confirm that the Pentagon was on fire and to receive garbled orders from the Secret Service suggesting that they were to protect the White House from possible attack.

Their morning was quite a departure from the norm. Before Sept. 11, the pilots, in the North Dakota Air National Guard's 119th Fighter Wing, a unit known as the Happy Hooligans, were what one pilot characterized as ''firemen in the air.'' For the most part, they sat on alert in their hangars at Langley, waiting for the rare call to fire up their jets and scramble, typically to check out a wayward Cessna or a military plane with a malfunctioning transponder.

As the military's air sovereignty mission had contracted, the Hooligans' operations had been moved over the last decade from their headquarters here in Fargo to bases in Klamath Falls, Ore., Riverside, Calif., and then, in 1998, to Virginia.

Neither Lou, a major, nor Honey, a captain, had ever served in the active-duty military, and neither had ever flown anything resembling a combat mission. Lou, a 34-year-old Fargo native, enlisted in the National Guard in 1985 and has worked full time for the Guard as a flight trainer since 1996. Honey, a 29-year-old Minnesotan, joined the Guard in 1993 while attending college in North Dakota and is on military leave from his job as a commercial pilot for United Express. He has been based full time at Langley since April.

The third pilot, who declined to be interviewed for personal reasons, his superiors say, is a 33-year-old pilot for Northwest Airlines who, until Sept. 11, flew part time for the National Guard. All three pilots continue to fly regular missions as part of a vastly expanded Norad air defense operation that has fighter jets airborne at all times.

When they were ordered to their jets at 9:24 a.m., 38 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the pilots had little idea what was happening. Both knew one plane had hit the towers, and Lou had caught a glimpse of the second strike on CNN just before climbing into his cockpit.

The two pilots said that at one point, someone broke in on the Federal Aviation Administration frequency being monitored by the third pilot. The message was garbled and hard to make out, but a military official said the pilot came away with the sense that he had been told to ''protect the house,'' meaning the White House. ''He said, 'I think I just talked to the Secret Service, but I'm not sure,' '' Lou said.

The story of the pilot flying out of North Dakota appears to be false. Who is Ed Jacoby Jr and the New York Emergency management office? According to this interview in 2000 the NY Emergency management office according to Jacoby..."In our emergency management office, we have the department of transportation, the state police, the military, naval affairs, all agencies that are going to be needed or could be needed in a time of emergency."

Jacoby has been saying since 2002 that he was rushed to NY in an f-16.... The center's director, Ed Jacoby Jr., who had been rushed home from an emergency preparedness conference in Montana in an F-16, says the type of officials sitting at those desks were "people who can make decisions on the spot

I'd like to know the timeline of this. It seems unlikely that the f-16 would have been from langley.

So a question is? Were the F-16 falcons the happy hooligans flew single seat or double seat? If the answer is single seat, Jacoby can't be telling the truth. It's also possible that Jacoby is telling the truth, but that he assumes his pilot was Gibney because that's what he was told.


Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 09:48:39 pm
Well, after doing some research the story seems to be 3 happy hooligans left Langley for Security over the nations capital. That would mean the 4th left on his own, to pick up Jacoby and he left from North Dakota.  Now this sounds like BS as most of us know they travel in pairs. And as Mr Grinch has pointed out the congressional record proves there were 4 on alert at Langley. Also, the aircraft the happy hooligans used were f-16A which is a single seat fighter.

F-16A  --The F-16A (single seat)

The planes used by 119th fighter wing (happy Hooligans)
The unit's last fighter was the F-16A Fighting Falcon which they received in April 1990

In Jan. 2007, the 119th Wing converted from the F-16A Fighting Falcon jet mission to the new missions of the UAS and the C-21A Lear Jet cargo aircraft

The commander of the "happy hooligans" admitted in this conference with bloggers in 2007 that they flew F-16 model A (single seat)....Just to start from the beginning, Colonel Mike Wobbema is my name. I am actually with the 119th Wing, the Happy Hooligans out of Fargo, North Dakota. Up until this spring, we were flying the F-16 -- air defense version of the F-16, actually, aircraft; the A model, actually -- in fact, the last operational A model unit in the Air Force.

The planes used on 9/11 were evidently F-16A (single seat)

Doesn't seem likely that Jacoby would be flying with one of the happy hooligans. It seems to be a fact that Gibney would be flying a single seat F-16A, and would be flying out of Langley. Not a double seat out of North Dakota. Which seems to be proof of the official story being a deliberate lie.

Gibney is now commander of the reconnaissance squadron......."It is great to be a part of this air and space power mission. Our squadron is committed to maintain the traditional high standards the Happy Hooligans are known for, said Lieutenant Col. Rick Gibney, commander of the reconnaissance squadron.

"It is exciting and rewarding to be a part of this mission that involves the global war on terrorism, homeland security and domestic contingencies."

How could one of the members of 119th who use F-16A single seat models pick someone up and fly them to NY?

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 09:55:08 pm
I believe that Flight 93 was shot down but I don't believe the aforementioned article.
The reason being that after doing quite a bit of research I've come to the conclusion that 93 was shot down by an A-10 and not an F-16.

Take this eyewitness:

There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.

"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up.

"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40ft above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."

looks something like this? She gave a pretty damn near accurate and descriptive statement. Also, most A-10 have a light grey color scheme. She said she saw a white plane. I'm a bit of a military aircraft buff and I have never seen an F-16 with an all white color scheme.

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The gov't said that an Executive LEAR jet was in the vicinity and asked to obtain visual confirmation of 93 since they lost it on radar. However, the people in that LEAR have never come forward to this day and the gov't has said nothing more about it. Imo, they're not tellign the entire truth.

In fact there may have been civilian planes around the area that day in addition to the A-10.

See this eyewitness:

Viola Saylor saw Flight 93 pass very low over her house in Lambertsville, which is a mile north of the official crash site. She was in her backyard when she heard a very loud noise and looked up to find herself "nose to nose" with Flight 93, which she says was flying "upside down" as it passed overhead. It was blue and silver, she said, and glistened in the sunlight. It was so low that it rustled the leaves of her 100-foot maple tree in her yard.

    It flew southeastward for about three more seconds and even gained elevation before it crashed over the hill with a "thud," she said.

    "It was really still for a second," she said. "Then all of a sudden" she saw a "very quiet" and low-flying white "military" plane coming from the area of the crash site, flying toward the northwest.

    "It was flying very fast, like it was trying to get out of here," she said. "A second or two" behind the "military" plane were two other planes, which Saylor described as "normal" planes.

    Shown a photograph of a Fairchild A-10 Thunderbolt II, a low-flying combat aircraft commonly referred to as a "Warthog," Saylor identified it as the military plane she had seen. She said she recognized the two engines on the rear and the distinctive shape of the cockpit and nose of the plane.


    Tom Spinelli, 28, was working at India Lake Marina, a mile and a half away. "I saw the white plane," he said.

    "It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something. I saw it before and after the crash."

The A-10 is an Air-to-Ground aircraft (it has great air-to-ground radar and FLIR) but does not have great air-to-air radar. Couple that with the Airliners transponders being turned of and the A-10 would have to get a visual sighting because his radar would only pick up the Airliner up close. As opposed to F-16's which have an Air-to-Air capability and have much better air-to-air radars.

Furthermore, The A-10 can only carry Aim-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles because it doesn't have the radar necessary to use AIM-120 long range missiles which require radar support until they get relatively close to their target. It only carries AIM-9's.

The AIM-9 is a heat seeking missile so it would go after one of the engines which would explain why one engine was found approx. a mile from the crash site.

BTW, there are numerous A-10 bases on the east coast less than 300 nautical miles from Shanksville, PA. My guess is that the A-10 either flew out of Pope AFB in N.C. or Bradley ANG Base in CT. which are both around 240 nautical miles from Shanksville. Which is about 40 min flight time in an A-10 as its top speed is 420 mph considering they were scrambled at 9:16 when teh Aircraft was announced hijacked. that would put them right in the time frame and allow them to loiter for a few minutes to find 93.
Technically the aircraft wasn't shot down by an F-16 or even an Air Force Fighter as the A-10 is a bomber.

It's just speculation on my part but I think the evidence bears out my conclusion.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 09:56:25 pm
Transcript: Alex Jones Interviews Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret.): Explosive New 9/11 Revelations and Explanations

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 10:03:27 pm
Flight 93 Shot Down by Lt Col Rick Gibney on 9/11

Awards Ceremony for Happy Hooligans in North Dakota

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 10:05:03 pm
I wonder IF the Warthog shot it down where the roundabouts of the crashsite would be?

9/11 Shanksville Eyewitness Susan McElwain

I think the Shanksville hole looks more cruise missile like, she clearly is telling the truth.

I can believe a Warthog was sniffing about so did some C-130, AWACS, Boeing-747 Pres. and a lot of private looking choppers also on that day.

But what the heck for those brandnew X-mas Toys you don't even have to be in the air!

Maybe those choppers where just filming their little sick Hollywood style Pentagon just finished front bashing from the inside plan workout so they could enjoy their little sick schemes afterwards in their dark Home Movie freak basement. That's very Likely like those booys caught in New York making the sick snif mov.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 27, 2009, 10:13:48 pm

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:43:43 am
Every once in awhile, Rumsfeld will screw up and actually admit it. Why he doesn't come clean altogether, I'll never know.  From the debris you can tell that it was hit by a missile, there is nothing left of it. 

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:48:26 am
flight 93 shanksville flyover indian lake [10 min video] :

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:48:53 am
interview on beyond the grassy knoll [2 hour audio] :

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:49:23 am

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:49:51 am
the following is from an american free press article :


At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing 'a screaming thing' that 'screeched' as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

key point : several eyewitnesses report hearing a 'screaming thing' pass over the golf course and lakeside community before the huge explosion. we know by all accounts the only thing approaching indian lake prior to this huge explosion is 'flight 93'. it is coming from the northwest. we also know barry lichty said what flew over indian lake came 'from that direction' of the crash site.

Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a 'very loud screeching sound' passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

 'It was like nothing I've ever heard before,' Smith said.

here we have an identified employee who hears 'flight 93' flyover prior to the huge explosion.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:50:26 am
Part I : The Crash Site & Crater and Origins Thereof

To date the FBI has not presented anything near enough evidence to support the claims of over 90% of United Airlines Flight 93 being recovered from the Shanksville crash site. The only piece of recognizable debris in the 10 deep hole is part on an engine. Coincidentally enough one witness I spoke with who stood in front of that hole that morning swore up and down to me there was no way there was an entire airplane in it. He stated that he had flown on plenty of commercial airliners in his life and was well familiar with how large they are and told me that the hole was more like the size of an engine than an entire plane.

Of all the witnesses I spoke with, including Coroner Wally Miller, I waited for one of them to describe to me the massive 100 gash in the ground caused by the impacting wings yet not one of them ever made any mention of this. But like all the other witnesses I have spoken with even Wally Miller when recalling the event was still astonished at the size of it. He wanted to clarify that the images most people seen showing this big hole in the ground were after the work had been done there and what it was that morning resembled nothing of the sort.

Bob Blair and Doug Miller were driving on Route 30 that morning. Suddenly they noticed a low flying plane flying with its wings vertical to the ground. As they approached Stoystown Auto Wreckers they watched it disappear behind the treeline. Not long thereafter they noticed smoke rising up and drove towards it. As they approached the crash site someone driving away from it in a pickup truck flagged them down and told them a plane had crashed and then drove off away from the scene. Was this Lee Purbaugh? At this time one can only assume.

Bob and Doug said when they arrived at the scene there was no one else present. Bob stated whoever they had passed had to be the 1st person to see as they were no doubt 2nd & 3rd . What they found when they got there astonished them. There was nothing. There were some fires. Bob and Doug immediately grabbed the fire extinguishers they carry in the work truck and extinguished what fires there were before the arrival of Stoystown Fire Department [who contrary to popular belief were the 1st responders, not Shanksville].

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:53:22 am
Both had stated they did not see neither human remains nor any recognizable airplane debris. Bob further stated he saw a burning tire that they had a heard time extinguishing and something that resembled a gear box as he called. Both corroborated others stories of how small the crater actually was.

What I find most troubling is that it took me nearly 5 minutes to drive to the crash site from Stoystown Auto Wreckers and Rollock Scrap Yard is less than 100 yards from the crash site and yet none of their employees seemed to have gone out to the scene. Instead it was Bob & Doug arriving several minutes later.

Personally, I think the lack of witnesses from Rollock and the man driving away from the scene [presumed to be Purbaugh] all saw something else but we’ll save that for later.

In between where Bob & Doug saw the plane and its alleged final resting place was Viola Saylor. Outside in her backyard that morning Viola heard the massive roar of the planes engines as it passed by just above the treetops on her property. She was walking towards her backdoor when the plane came screaming directly over her house right at her. She described feeling a “pressure” as it passed overhead and said it had taken the leaves off the tops of the trees [but did not hit the trees]. And it passed. And then the noise was gone. Everything became real quiet and she heard someone in the distance scream “Oh my God!!!”. Then there was a thud.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:53:38 am
Viola lived very close to the crash site at that time. Had the plane crashed as alleged she would have never had noticed a silence let alone hear someone cry out in the distance before it impacted. The plane was traveling over at an alleged 500mph.

Since Lee Purbaugh the only alleged impact witness chose not to speak with me after receiving advice from an attorney I have to turn to Susan McElwain for what took place next.

Susan was on the opposite end of Viola. She was driving north that morning on Bridge St. in Stoystown less than a mile southwest of the crash site. First lets talk about what Susan did not see on her side of the crash site : a 757. Allegedly while Susan is approaching the stop sign and her experience takes place a 757 is diving towards the ground less than a mile in front of her. Susan did not see one because it was already gone.

As for where it went that we’ll get into later.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:53:51 am
Suddenly a small white plane passes right over Susan’s vehicle flying so low to the ground it has to pull up in order to avoid crashing into the row of trees at the Bridge St &  Buckstown Rd intersection. It is so low in fact that Susan’s first thoughts were “Oh my God, he’s gonna crash, he’s gonna crash”. The plane vanished behind the treeline and seconds later a smoke cloud began to rise.

In between both of these witnesses are 2 witnesses I am not making public per their request but who have told me their stories in detail even after initially denying seeing anything.

One woman’s husband witnessed the whole event. He is deceased now. She would not tell me what he told her but elected to say “I can only tell you what I saw”. Her husband was on the porch when it happened. She was in the house. She heard a thud. Puzzled by it she went outside to see what had happened. When she got out there she noticed her husband was looking off towards the trees and that there was a small little white plane in the sky. She said seconds later she began to notice smoke rising up over the treeline directly below this “strange little white plane” as she described it. She then further corroborated Susan’s description of it but adding that it had a small window on the front which led her to believe it had an occupant. When I inquired as to whether it was capable of carrying passengers like a small corporate plane she clearly stated this was not possible.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:54:04 am
Also outside at this time was her neighbor who I also spoke with. The neighbor arrived outside after the smoke had started to rise but other than that corroborated every single other detail the previous witness stated.

Southwest of the crash site was the Salt Mill where Rick Chaney was working when this event took place. Rick felt a rumble and noticed everyone else seemed to be heading to go outside. He then followed. When he got outside he described seeing a small white plane which he too confirmed was not any type of passenger plane or corporate plane and could not accommodate groups of people. Said it looked military but not like anything he had ever seen before and that it made him think it was some sort of scout plane or something similar.

The other inconsistency is that the blast trajectory of the impact and the flight path conflict. One aerial photo clearly demonstrates the blast trajectory into the woods is in a southwest direction while Viola’s house is located northwest. Indian Lake is southeast of the crash site. This little fact was argued about with me by Wally Miller who insisted Indian Lake was in the direction of the trajectory but clearly this is not true.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:54:17 am
Part II : If Not Shanksville Then Where?

In Loose Change : Final Cut Indian Lake Mayor Barry Lichty elaborates on his experience that morning. He says the power had gone off and he felt a tremor and then he heard what “sounded like a missile” come over his house because it was “going that fast”. Then he states that it “was coming from that direction” [the crash site].

Barry says it wasn’t the aircraft that crashed though because Flight 93 never flew anywhere near of over Indian Lake according to the official story of it. But that’s because Barry has no reason to suspect the government is lying to him. There is no other explanation for what went screaming from the crash site immediately after the explosion than it was the plane witnessed by Bob, Doug, & Viola which if it continued to fly would have been in a direct path with Indian Lake.

Viola said that in order for the plane to have crashed the way they said it did compared to the way it was when she saw it the plane would have had to pull up and then nose dive into the ground which of course is aerodynamically impossible. It is interesting also to note that Viola turned down an opportunity to be an Official Ambassador at the Flight 93 Memorial because “I wouldn’t go along with the stories”.

So how do we get from the crash site to Indian Lake? Is there any witness in between the two to confirm this flight path?

The answer is yes and who it is will surprise you : Val McClatchey.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:54:30 am
Val McClatchey lives Southeast of the crash site directly in between the site and Indian Lake. On the morning of 9/11 Val was sitting on her couch when she first heard Flight 93 fly over head. The problem is Flight 93 never flew over her house. After she heard the plane she said she looked outside the window and caught a glimpse of it before it crashed. But knowing what I know from all the other eyewitnesses this simply cannot be true.

She only could have heard Flight 93 flyover towards the crash site as Susan did not see the plane and I have corroborated her claims of the small white plane being there at the exact time with the other eyewitness discussed earlier.

Claims of Flight 93 flying over Indian Lake can be found in every local paper in Pennsylvania and lists a group of names for being having heard the plane fly overhead including : Indian Lake Marina Manager Jim Brandt, Indian Lake Marina Employees John Fleegle and Carol Delasko, Indian Lake Golf Course Employee Chris Smith, and Jim Stop who was reportedly fishing in Indian Lake and actually watched the plane fly overhead. According to the Pittsburgh Tribune Review Jim witnessed the plane losing pieces as it flew over.

No one at Indian Lake can ever hear Flight 93 flyover if the official story is true. Indian Lake is 3 miles southeast of the alleged impact site. No one witnessed Flight 93 approach the crashsite from the Southeast but from the Northwest. This indicates the plane continued on past the alleged impact spot in a direct line most likely ascending.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:54:41 am
Part III : What Happened to the Passengers?

This is always the last question people have when told a plane did not crash in the Shanksville field. Which while we’re at it isn’t even really Shanksville but Lambertsville. This is just another thing the American people have been lied to about. But onto the story of Wally Miller and human remains…..

Not one person witnessed human remains at the Flight 93 crash site on 9/11. Despite many people searching for remains of anything throughout the immediate area none were seen. Naturally I found this to be very surprising when Wally Miller showed me the photographs he took on the following day after stating he too did not discover any remains on the 11th.

The photographs Wally took showed very little evidence of human remains. So little one could attribute it all to coming from one human being. There were several photos of a severed left arm, a couple which appeared to be a human scalp, and lastly a couple of what appeared to be an organ perhaps a heart or lung it was hard to distinguish in the photo. The amazing part is that all of these remains photographed by Wally on the 12th were in plain view laying in dirt. The only dirt in the vicinity is the dirt road which the plane allegedly crashed by. Everyone was traveling up and down this road and many people wondered off into the area of the blast trajectory into the woods. None reported seeing any such thing and let me tell you the half an arm would have easily been noticed.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:54:56 am
Wally Miller never found a drop of blood at the crash site. Despite a severed arm laying in dirt along with what appeared to be internal organs none of them left a single trace of blood where they were recovered.

Instead the FBI recovered the remains [undocumented of course] and proceeded to bring them into the DMORT facility they erected for Miller and the task of identifying the deceased. The FBI then in turn would bring the remains to Miller without any proper documentation of their chain of custody or place of location.

The FBI also provided Miller the list of names of who he would find and provided samples of those said individuals to Miller.

So they gave Miller the names of the victims, the remains of the victims, & the DNA samples to test against those remains to confirm their identities. The FBI took Wally Miller by the hand and led him down the path of the deceived. And with that they accomplished their necessary ending to their story in Shanksville.

That is my conclusion based on over 2.5 years researching hands on with many many hours logged interviewing eyewitnesses in person, over the phone, through email, & on video. Taken their accounts and seeing how they fit with the little one sentences released by the corporate media of other witnesses and putting the puzzle together.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:55:07 am
Ultimately I cannot tell you what happened to the plane that fly in front of Bob Blair & Doug Miller, passed Viola Saylor, & then heard flying overhead by McClatchey and all the Indian Lake residents. But I can tell you it did not crash in a field in Lambertsville [Shanksville] on the morning of 9/11 and the case made that it did by the US Government and 9/11 Commission and corporate media fails epically to scrutiny and a new fully open public transparent hearing is necessary to finally finding out and understanding the truth of what really happened on the morning of 9/11.

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:55:19 am
Recommended links :

Flight 93 Shanksville : 9/11 Truth

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:55:31 am
9/11 : The Shanksville Files Vol I : Susan McElwain :

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:55:47 am
9/11 : The Shanksville Files Vol II : Wally Miller :

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:56:01 am
9/11 : The Shanksville Files Vol III : Viola Saylor  :

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:56:16 am
Pandora’s Black Box Vol III : Flight of United 93 :

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:56:35 am
Loose Change : Final Cut :

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:56:54 am
Pittsburgh Post Gazette Coverage of Flight 93 :

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Spymaster on July 28, 2009, 12:57:56 am
Pittsburgh Tribune review Flight 93 archives :

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 28, 2009, 02:02:18 pm
Welcome Spymaster, great posts!

I see that you know the truth.


And flight 93 was a part of it!

Title: Re: The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93
Post by: Harconen on July 28, 2009, 02:59:01 pm
Is she ( Susan McElwain ), maybe see something like this?

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