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« on: May 22, 2008, 01:11:57 pm »

May 21, 2008
Clinton Sees Many Reasons to Stay In
By PATRICK HEALY
Rebuffing associates who have suggested that she end her candidacy, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has made it clear to her camp in recent days that she will stay in the race until June because she believes she can still be the nominee — and, barring that, so she can depart with some final goals accomplished.

Mrs. Clinton has disagreed with suggestions, made directly to her by a few friends recently, that her continued candidacy was deepening splits within the Democratic Party and damaging Senator Barack Obama’s chances of emerging as a formidable nominee. She has also disputed the notion that, by staying in, she was unintentionally fostering a racial divide with white voters in some states overwhelmingly supporting her.

Rather, in private conversations and in interviews, Mrs. Clinton has begun asserting that she believes sexism, rather than racism, has cast a shadow over the primary fight, a point some of her supporters have made for months. Advisers say that continuing her candidacy is partly a means to show her supporters — especially young women — that she is not a quitter and will not be pushed around.

Campaigning in New Hampshire and Indiana this year, Mrs. Clinton endured taunts from passers-by who questioned her abilities because she is a woman and mocked her husband’s affair with a White House intern. Yet Mrs. Clinton has also benefited from the strong support of white voters in many states, including some who have said that race was a factor in their support.

Campaigning with his wife in Kentucky on Tuesday, former President Bill Clinton also weighed in, saying he believed there had been “moments of gender bias” in the campaign, though he added that he thought people had become more comfortable with the idea of a woman in the White House.

And in her victory speech in Louisville, Ky., on Tuesday night, Mrs. Clinton made a pointed appeal, telling her supporters she would keep campaigning until there was a Democratic nominee — “whoever she may be.”

Mrs. Clinton is also focused on some tangible goals by staying in the race: she believes that racking up more victories, delegates and votes will give her and her supporters more leverage this month at a Democratic National Committee rules meeting to advocate for seating the delegates from the unofficial primaries in Florida and Michigan.

“There is not yet a Democratic nominee, and she will continue until every voter has a say in the process, including Florida and Michigan,” said Guy Cecil, the campaign’s political director.

Referring to the three remaining primaries, Mr. Cecil said: “We have thousands of volunteers in South Dakota, Montana and Puerto Rico who are making calls and knocking on doors to get the vote out. The people they are talking to want to participate and be heard.”

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers also say that her popularity could lead Mr. Obama to fold some of her policy positions — like universal health insurance — into his platform, though they discounted the notion that her staying in the race was part of a larger bargaining strategy.

While Mrs. Clinton believes that winning the nomination is a long shot at this point, she is also staying in the race because, in her experience, electoral politics can be a chaotic and unpredictable enterprise, scandals can emerge from nowhere, and Mr. Obama’s candidacy could still suffer a self-inflicted or unexpected wound. Picking up more primary votes and superdelegates could only strengthen her position if the party wants or needs to find an alternative to Mr. Obama.

As for concerns that her continued campaign might exacerbate party divisions, Mrs. Clinton is convinced that if and when she quits, her camp would quickly coalesce around Mr. Obama, advisers say — so much so that any Democratic ill will would fade within days.

“I think in the end, when South Dakota and Montana go last and have their final result, she will sit back and see whether a win can be achieved or not — and if not, she is a class act and will do the class thing and get on board with the Democratic ticket,” said Jay Jacobs, a Democratic leader on Long Island and a superdelegate and top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Jacobs said he believed that Mrs. Clinton could still win the nomination, and that she should fight on to June if she believed she could win.

Other associates disagreed. One longtime friend and adviser, Roger Altman, an official in the Clinton Treasury Department, recently urged Mrs. Clinton to consider leaving the race, people familiar with their conversation said. He said that racial divisions were worsening and that her huge white vote in West Virginia last week could make it harder to view Mr. Obama as a unifying figure.

Mrs. Clinton does not believe that a racial split will be a legacy of the Democratic nomination fight, her aides say — especially if Mr. Obama wins, as he could point to victories in states with largely white populations, like Colorado, Iowa and Washington.

Some Clinton aides say she is expecting a particularly big vote on June 1 in Puerto Rico, given her strong support among Hispanics. Howard Wolfson, her communications director, said campaign aides were “optimistic” about Puerto Rico.

Mrs. Clinton also wants to increase her popular vote total in the final three primaries in hopes that if a small margin separates her and Mr. Obama, it may be enough to sway some uncommitted superdelegates to support her at the last minute.

“Superdelegates who are committed to her are telling her to stay the course,” said Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to Mrs. Clinton. “And there are some uncommitted superdelegates who are for her but not ready to come out — and they want her to stay the course and see this through.”

Mr. Ickes added, “And there are other uncommitted superdelegates who want to wait until June to judge the strongest candidate.”

Clinton aides insisted that Mrs. Clinton was not thinking too seriously about positioning herself as Mr. Obama’s running mate. They say she knows, from her husband’s experience, that a decision about a running mate involves many factors.

But amassing a strong popular vote, and going out on some high notes, would help Mrs. Clinton emerge from the long nomination battle on better footing, aides say. And making herself an appealing vice-presidential prospect — or setting herself up to run again in 2012, if Mr. Obama should lose, or perhaps 2016 — is not altogether out of the question.

Mr. Jacobs, the Clinton fund-raiser and superdelegate, said he believed that Mrs. Clinton was not staying in the race as a way to put pressure on Mr. Obama to help pay off her campaign debt should she drop out. Her debt exceeds $20 million. Mr. Jacobs said she was now spending so much money that she would lower her final debt by ending her campaign immediately.

And he predicted that the Clintons would have no problem raising money to erase the debt — including the $11 million Mrs. Clinton has lent her campaign.

“There will be plenty of people anxious to help them pay everything off,” Mr. Jacobs said.

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 03:11:33 pm »

         
CNN: Clinton, Obama Camps Discussing Exit Scenarios In Formal Talks

 


CNN: Clinton Camp Pushing For Compromise In Formal Talks
The Huffington Post   |   May 23, 2008 09:53 AM
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The punditry is abuzz after a report on CNN this morning that Clinton and Obama have held formal talks about her exit from the race, with Clinton outlining three possible scenarios. Bloomberg reports:
The two Democratic campaigns are talking about ways for Clinton, from New York, to drop her bid for president that may include joining the Illinois senator's ticket, CNN reported. Talks are in a "very preliminary" stage and are described as "difficult,'" the network said.
However, the revelation from CNN cites only anonymous sources. And an interview with David Axelrod on Thursday claimed that talks had not begun between the campaigns:
The chief strategist for the Obama campaign, David Axelrod, said Thursday that no overtures had been made by Mr. Clinton or any prominent supporters to place Mrs. Clinton on the ticket.

"There have been no contacts between the campaigns, and no one is looking for a deal of any kind," Mr. Axelrod said in an interview. "She's running for the nomination for president, as we are. We're focusing on closing out the nominating fight. We'll deal with vice presidential questions in sequence."
Talking Points Memo suggests that even if the report is overstating conversations between the campaigns, the disclosure of Clinton-Obama talks is significant:
On first blush I'm skeptical that there really are "formal talks" in the usual sense of that phrase. The report appears to lean heavily on sourcing from within the Clinton camp, which is notable. The significance here may not be that there are formal talks underway or that the vice presidency is under discussion. The real significance may be that this is the opening salvo from the Clinton camp ahead of the negotiations that would likely accompany her withdrawal from the race.
[Watch the report]
Several Clinton supporters, including Bill Clinton and Sen. Diane Feinstein, have been pushing for Clinton to join an Obama ticket.
UPDATE: Suzanne Malveaux, the CNN correspondent who originally reported the talks, appeared on CNN to walk back her initial report slightly. She now suggests the talks between the camps are informal (as opposed to formal), and are primarily motivated by Clinton supporters. She still stands by the claim that the camps are in communication about a possible endgame. Take the distinction for what you will.
UPDATE: Well, if these talks are in fact taking place, then neither camp is fessing up about it. Greg Sargent reports on Election Central:
Well, I've just spoken to both campaigns about this. And their denials couldn't be more adamant.

Here's what Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson sent me:
1) There have been no discussions with the Obama campaign
2) The only scenario being discussed by this campaign is Senator Clinton's nomination as President
3) The report is 100% false
And here is what Obama spokesperson Bill Burton said:
"This is something that I agree with Howard on 100%."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/cnn-clinton-camp-pushing_n_103240.html

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 03:21:37 pm »

Hillary: Why Would I Drop Out?...



My Husband Did Not Wrap Up The Nomination" Until June ... "Bobby Kennedy Was Assassinated In June"
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 03:24:04 pm »

Clinton Kennedy Assassination Reference: Raises Bobby's Death To Explain Why She Stays In Race



UPDATE: The Obama camp has offered the following response to Sen. Clinton's comments:

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.
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Hillary Clinton's argument for staying in the race took a disturbing turn today. While meeting with the editorial board of South Dakota's Sioux Falls Argus-Leader, she raised the specter of assassination while discussing why she would stay in the race:

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it."
The issue of assassination has been a sensitive one this election. Black voters have repeatedly expressed concern that Barack Obama would be assassinated during the race, sentiment that hearkens back to the murders of civil rights leaders, Bobby Kennedy's assassination included. Reports the Telegraph:

Mr Obama, 46, was given full Secret Service protection last May.

It was the earliest juncture for any presidential candidate since the practice was first introduced following the assassination of Senator Robert Kennedy, two months after Dr King died from a shot fired by James Earl Ray, an escaped convict and racist.

The prospect of Mr Obama meeting a similar fate is etched deep in the collective psyche of many American blacks, particularly those old enough to remember the events of 1968, who overwhelmingly back the Illinois senator over his rival Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination.


Earlier in the campaign, a Clinton surrogate also raised the issue of assassination, this time with a more direct reference to Obama. The Clinton camp immediately distanced itself from the suggestion:

Today, in Dover, Francine Torge, a former John Edwards supporter, said this while introducing Mrs. Clinton: "Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually" passed the civil rights legislation....

Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman said: "We were not aware that this person was going to make those comments and disapprove of them completely. They were totally inappropriate."


Nobel laureate Doris Lessing also raised a stir when she suggested that Obama would be assassinated were he to become president:

Obama, who is vying to become the first black president in US history, "would certainly not last long, a black man in the position of president. They would murder him," Lessing, 88, told the Dagens Nyheter daily.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/clinton-kennedy-assassina_n_103319.html
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 03:50:49 pm »

This assassination comment war truly shocking.  Is there any limit on how low this woman will stoop???  Do American really want this sort of person in the White House?

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2008, 09:00:29 pm »

I'll say!  Is she just hoping for that to happen or is she actively planning something?  The problem with Hillary is that one never knows just how far she'll go to get what she wants.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2008, 09:04:25 pm »

She has truly lost all perspective.  Isn't the most important thing getting a Democrat elected in November?  Huh
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2008, 01:57:46 am »

She has truly lost all perspective.  Isn't the most important thing getting a Democrat elected in November?  Huh

Yeah like there's any difference between a Globalist-Republican and a Globalist-Democrat.

Quit swallowing the CFR BS !!!!

How stupid can Americans be ??
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2008, 05:39:02 am »

She has truly lost all perspective.  Isn't the most important thing getting a Democrat elected in November?  Huh

Yeah like there's any difference between a Globalist-Republican and a Globalist-Democrat.

Quit swallowing the CFR BS !!!!

How stupid can Americans be ??

Speak for yourself!   Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2008, 04:20:27 pm »

She has truly lost all perspective.  Isn't the most important thing getting a Democrat elected in November?  Huh

Yeah like there's any difference between a Globalist-Republican and a Globalist-Democrat.

Quit swallowing the CFR BS !!!!

How stupid can Americans be ??

Yeah, Volitzer how stupid can you be?

While you are obssessing over this Alex Jones CFR fantasy, this country has real problems, like:

The sinking economy
The falling dollar
An endless war in Iraq
Rendition
Torture
Bush's high crimes & misdemeanors
the upcoming new war with Iran

You honestly think that it makes no difference if Obama or McCain is the next President?
Hell, one wants to try to talking to our enemies while the other wants to bomb the countries we don't like and then some.

He actually wants to have an occupation in Iraq for another hundred years!

So yeah, you and the Alex Jones disciples can keep spreading your disinformation, all you are going to make sure of is that nothing will change.  Good luck with all the conpsiracy garbage, most of which Alex Jones probably propagates for entertainment purposes, by the way.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2008, 10:59:14 pm »

It is disinformation, most of it spread by racist, rabid right wingers, many of whom even voted for Bush because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Al Gore.

And look where Bush has led the world, with their help! 
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2008, 11:04:17 pm »

Will Hillary be simply cheering for this assassination to take place or will she be doing something to hurry it along?  I've noticed that a lot of people around the Clintons tend to get dead!   Huh
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2008, 01:08:10 am »

She has truly lost all perspective.  Isn't the most important thing getting a Democrat elected in November?  Huh

Yeah like there's any difference between a Globalist-Republican and a Globalist-Democrat.

Quit swallowing the CFR BS !!!!

How stupid can Americans be ??

Yeah, Volitzer how stupid can you be?

While you are obssessing over this Alex Jones CFR fantasy, this country has real problems, like:

The sinking economy
The falling dollar
An endless war in Iraq
Rendition
Torture
Bush's high crimes & misdemeanors
the upcoming new war with Iran

You honestly think that it makes no difference if Obama or McCain is the next President?
Hell, one wants to try to talking to our enemies while the other wants to bomb the countries we don't like and then some.

He actually wants to have an occupation in Iraq for another hundred years!

So yeah, you and the Alex Jones disciples can keep spreading your disinformation, all you are going to make sure of is that nothing will change.  Good luck with all the conpsiracy garbage, most of which Alex Jones probably propagates for entertainment purposes, by the way.


Everything Alex Jones reports on he has government documents on and can be verified.  If Alex Jones was a fraud he'd have been called out by now.

Obama is CFR just like McCain.

All the problems you have stated are Bilderberg sanctioned.  Bush's crimes are of the Bilderberger's blessing.  Obama and McCain will just continue on the Globalist's Legacy.

The Bilderberger's have every intention of having gas go up to $200 a barrel and up to $12 a gallon at the pump.  It is in their own documents but you'll be too busy in liberal activities to even go research it.

As soon as they collapse the dollar and have America in chaos the Globalists will be all ready with their Amero and North American Union plan.

Order out of chaos !!!   Novus Ordo Seclorum

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Thesis = Problem
Anti-thesis = Reaction
Synthesis = Solution

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2008, 02:26:43 am »

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The Bilderberger's have every intention of having gas go up to $200 a barrel and up to $12 a gallon at the pump.  It is in their own documents but you'll be too busy in liberal activities to even go research it.

Volitzer, do you have any of these Bilderberger documents? Because I thought they were a secretive group that releases nothing, not even their meeting attendees or meeting dates to the public.
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2008, 04:13:59 am »

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bilderberg.html

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