Atlantis in the West Indies

[Desiree]

Atlantis in the West Indies

Having reached this far, it now seems certain that Plato's Atlantis was thought to have been located on the western Atlantic seaboard, plausibly in the vicinity of the Hesperides, the ancient name for the Caribbean. This seems affirmed in the Commentaries on the Timaeus of Plato by Proclus Daidochus, a philosopher, poet and scientist of the fifth century AD. Among the evidence he presents for the existence of Atlantis are fragments from a book entitled Ethiopic History by Marcellus, a Greek geographer who lived around 100 BC. He had asserted that `in the external sea':

… there were seven islands … in their times, sacred to Proserpine, and also three others of an immense extent, one of which was sacred to Pluto, another to Ammon, and the middle of these to Neptune [the Roman name for Poseidon], the magnitude of which was a thousand stadia [184 kilometres]. They also add, that the inhabitants of it preserved the remembrance from their ancestors, of the Atlantic island which existed there, and was truly prodigiously great; which for many periods had dominion over all the islands in the Atlantic Sea, and was itself likewise sacred to Neptune.


As long ago as 1962, historical writer Geoffrey Ashe associated Marcellus' seven islands sacred to Proserpine with the principal islands of the Lesser Antilles. He also went on to identify the three islands of `immense extent' as Cuba, Hispaniola - which includes Haiti and the Dominican Republic - and Puerto Rico. The middle of the three, Hispaniola, was, he said, `approximately a thousand stadia - i.e. a hundred miles [160 kilometres] or a little over - from side to side'.

As we have seen, in the Timaeus Plato tells us that the Atlantic island was situated within easy reach of 'other islands' that acted like stepping stones for ancient voyagers wishing to reach 'the opposite continent'. Such terminology could not describe the island chains of the Caribbean more accurately. The islands, banks, reefs and cays that stretch from Central America towards the Greater Antilles form a near continuous chain. Similarly, the Bahamas provide a stepping-stone route that links Florida with Cuba and Hispaniola. Moreover, myths and legends from all over the Caribbean and Bahamas talk of a former age when the archipelagos were one single landmass that split apart, leaving only the islands and cays we see today, following an almighty cataclysm involving a sudden inundation of the sort described by Plato in his Atlantis account. Other more detailed stories speak of this event occurring after either the `ole moon broke' from its position or a fiery serpent fell from the sky.

That Atlantis might have been located in the Caribbean is a revolutionary idea, although it is by no means now. Before the publication in 1882 of Atlantis - The Antediluvian World by ex-US congressman Ignatius Donnelly, which promoted the view that Atlantis was a now sunken landmass in the Mid-Atlantic, many historians had come to this same conclusion. In fact, the idea that Atlantis was Hispaniola would appear to have been first proposed as early as 1798 by Italian scholar Paul Cabrera, (it has been tackled again more recently by Emilio Spedicato, the Professor of Operations Research at Bergamo University). It Cabrera's opinion:

I am confirmed in my selection of this island [i.e. Hispaniola] from among the many dispersed throughout the Atlantic, not only on account of its position and magnitude exceeding all the others, but also, from its fertility and numerous navigable rivers…

Let us examine Cabrera's statements to see whether he is justified in making such assertions. Plato informs us that `the district [of Atlantis] as a whole, so I have heard, was of great elevation and its coast precipitous', suitably describing Hispaniola's mountainous coastline. However, the island would have had no strategic importance to ancient seafarers. Neighbouring Cuba, on the other hand, has a large number of lobe-like bays along its coast, making it a better choice for the establishment of ports or places of refuge. Furthermore, Cuba's coastal waters guard both the northerly and southerly entrances into the Gulf of Mexico, making it an ideal staging post for maritime journeys to Mexico and the Gulf coast of North America. In addition to this, by using the Bahaman and Mid-Caribbean island chains a vessel can easily travel from Cuba to the coast of Florida and the Mosquito Coast of Nicaragua. It was for these reasons that soon after the time of the Conquest Cuba became known to Spanish explorers as the `Key to the New World'. There is no way that Hispaniola can be awarded this same title, suggesting that Cabrera might have got it wrong.

Cabrera also claimed that Hispaniola was in `magnitude exceeding all the others'. This is blatantly untrue. At around 640 kilometres in length and 256 kilometres in width, Hispaniola is around two-thirds the size of neighbouring Cuba.

In addition to these points, Cabrera further adds that Hispaniola was the most important of the islands because of its `fertility'. Once again, this is completely false. Because the island is dominated by extensive mountain ranges that engulf much of the island, crop cultivation is difficult. It is Cuba that is the most fertile island of the Caribbean. Its fertile plains produce the tobacco for Havana's famous cigars. Moreover, they once produced more sugar cane than any other country. With the help of Cuba's rich red calcareous loam, its cane yields a higher content of sugar than anywhere else other than Mexico, a fact that led to it becoming known as the `Pearl of the Antilles'.

Lastly, it is not only Hispaniola that has extensive `navigable rivers'. Cuba also has a series of mighty rivers that cut deep into the interior of the country and rise in the central mountain ranges.

All this suggests that if Atlantis was located in the Caribbean, then it addition to Hispaniola, Cuba becomes an even more likely candidate for the same title (Emilio Spedicato's own points in favour of Hispaniola being Atlantis are discussed in GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS). So which of these great islands might have been the true location of lost Atlantis?
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[BlueHue]

ATLANTIS is in WEST Araby
 NOT in the WEST of the World
All Atlantis Locations outside Araby
are result of an - induced-
Cartographic-ERROR( from 220 onwards.)

[Bianca]

PROVE IT

WITH LINKS,


Blue!!!





"Either Atlantis is an island in the Atlantic or it's not Atlantis at all." -



James Bramwell,

'Lost Atlantis'
1937

[BlueHue]

PROVE IT, WITH LINKS   Blue!!!
"Either Atlantis is an island in the Atlantic or it's not Atlantis at all." -James Bramwell, 'Lost Atlantis' 1937

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Dear ............BIANCA,

Atlantis in the West-indies is a fallacy,
or anywhere OUTSIDE  ARABY is result of a Cartographic ERROR
WHICH ONE   ?
 I have told it around everal times but If You have missed-out 
or overlooked that explanation, and so did not have a change to have READ it
I sollicit it again and I will unravel the mystery of the PILLARS, to  revive your memory !

The Atlantis TEXT is now Corrupted
and All Atlantologists based their Theories on it
resulting in almost 55 different Locations !

I'll prove it once again, linking to PLATO HIMSELF
 for my dissident " BlueHue " Theory there exist no direct links
Otherwise I am sure you or ATALANTE, would have stumbled on them allready !

OVERLOOKED passage by PLATO:
( Sorry if/ that this is off-Topic on THIS  Thread-post !)

" The SEA bordering Atlantis, is part of the EXTREME WEST edge of the Ocean
and is therefore named after the Land that it borders the ATLAS- SEA( not the Atlantic- Ocean !)
HERODOTUS called the Mare Erytraeum " the SEA of ATLAS " which is identical to it under a different name @!
MARE - ERYTRAEUM   is the present GULF of ADEN
What more PROOF do you expect for Atlantis bordering the GULF of ADEN >?

FURTHER MORE another misunderstood or
OVERLOOKED Passage by PLATO"

The Isle of Atlantis is connected to the Mainland of Atlantis by an ISTHMUS"

You and all Atlantologists are so focused on an ISLE in the Atlantic that you
don't even READ Plato ( in English-)Properly

PLATO says that Atlantis is NOT facing the OCEAN directly but
there is a Sea-Strait- inlet inbetween the Ocean and the Mainland-Shore
That INLET is also named after the TWO lengthy shores that it borders,
This " Bridgewater " is called the PONTOON - Sea OR  in Latin the PONTUS - Sea

This also means that Atlantis was NOT the original name that Plato used
since everyone calls Atlantis" ATLANTIS " what link can I give to the contrary ?

Others called Atlantis UTOPIA=America or New- Atlantixs or SPAIN or MEROPIA

But IF PLATO ( HIMSELF without outer Links ) says that the SEA surrounding
Atlantis was called the PONTOON- SEA, than the original name of Atlantis
in Plato's time must have been PONTUS or PUNT also !( This is the ARABIABN- PUNT

Because PLATO's " Atlantis " is NOT
facing the OCEAN but is only washed by water,
on TWO sides it is NOT an ISLE
not a stand-alone isle
But a Promontory which the arabians
(= East-Punicians )call a RAS or CAPE-Isle

CONCLUSION 
 ( Without out-sorced Links:)`
By differently explaining the SAME  TEXT that you must have seen I came to certain
Circumstantial Evidence of varoius- crept in- Word-Corruptions in Plato's 'Textus - Receptus'.

PEOPLE that are so happy to quote
the original PLATO's Atlantis Dialogue have
nevertheless tended, to OVERLOOK what they quoted,
that Plato called Atlantis-Capital,  a coastal-volcano-Island,
connected to a Mainland by a large rectangular PLAIN

Called an ISTHMUS which makes it a COASTAL  ATOL
that is not an obvious observation easily made by a casual onlooker.
and since most if not All Atlantologists are administrative executives
and not geologists they have NOT 'spotted' this.

But any expert in Coastal Forms/formations
will consider Atlantis to be a Volcano-Caldeiras in a shallow LAGOON
which because it is a former GUYOT volcano ordinarily flattopped,
 can constitude a large Flat-topped plain
bordered by" a rim of low mountains."
 with a secundary Volcano-CORE in the middle.

However  after the First cataclysm,
the" Isle" had subsided by which these low mountains now ran inclined to the Water.
They  were inclined at an angle we would say has TILTED and these
" Low surrounding mountains " are now falling straightly, into the Sea
which was very Deep past the volcano's steep-border base.
I am sorry for any grammatical/ grammar mistakes !  ARRI VERDACCI/ Ari Verdachi or something.

Thank you for
 the usual One-Line comments when one does not grasp the meaning of a statement !

Sincerely " BlueHue " dd 18-Nov. 2008

[Bianca]

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"Either Atlantis is an island in the Atlantic or it's not Atlantis at all." -



James Bramwell,

'Lost Atlantis'
1937

[Horus]

Bianca, you have to use larger fonts and in different colors -like he does, to get your point across -like so:

S T O P   S P A M M I N G   E V E R Y W H E R E!

YOU ARE GETTING TO BE AN ANNOYING      P E S T   AGAIN

[Bianca]

Thanks, Horus! You're a gem!


Problem is......


Bianca is too stupid and doesn't  know how.......

[Horus]

Bianca's definitely not stupid! 

I didn't know either until I just played around with the controls. 

First drag to select the text you want to modify and then use the drop down menu "change color" or if you hover your mouse over the other buttons it should display what they do like "Font Size".  Standard size here is always 10pt. (default)  I just edited the number to "24" to make the big red text and "18" for the blue sentence beneath it and clicked "preview" to make sure it looked OK. 

By the way, congratulations on surpassing your 29,000th post! I have a Loooooooooooooong way to go to catch up with you! ;-)

Happy Holidays!

[BlueHue]

Bianca, you have to use larger fonts and in different colors -like he does, to get your point across -like so:

S T O P   S P A M M I N G   E V E R Y W H E R E!

YOU ARE GETTING TO BE AN ANNOYING      P E S T   AGAIN

THANK  YOU, I forgot to wipe my steamed-up glaces !