Pyramid in Bosnia

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Quoting the
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http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/Excavations_files/BosnianPyramidOfSun.html

Excavations have started on three locations (see arrows).

So far some of the blocks discovered on the Northern side of the pyramid are 70 cm thick. Since they have been found at a depth of one meter, they are in good condition and their edges are intact. The blocks are handmade.

The blocks weigh approximately 10-30 tonnes. The excavations continue with volunteers including local people and those from other parts of the world

http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images/excavations/SemirTalksBlocks.JPG
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images/excavations/Blocks20.JPG
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images/excavations/east1.JPG
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images/excavations/Blocks20Metars.JPG
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images/excavations/MistrijaURupi.JPG

15 April 2006 15.00 hours (GMT + 1 hour)



Expert Team which was doing mapping of underground maze of tunnels under the

Bosnian Pyramid (entrance place Ravno) of Sun is found that tunnel contains ventilations which are placed every 30 meters. Team also took sample of the rocks which will be send on the further scientific analysis. excavations

Tunnels have been discovered during the excavation work. The maze of tunnels is several kilometres long including junctions.

Similar tunnels and chambers have been found in pyramidal complexes in Egypt and Mexico.

http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/images/tunnel_orig.jpg

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Stone can be dated in levels, however it can`t be dated ,when people dig it out and build out of it, the only was thay can date it, is on how its relates to another culture and there are no other big pyramids that old. They should get some stone experts in there.

Osmanagic says
,it resemble the 1,800-year-old pyramids at Teotihuacan, just north of Mexico City. Osmanagic maintains that the largest is bigger than the pyramid of Khufu at Giza, and that the Bosnian pyramids date to 12,000 B.C.


That really is just guessing.
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Construction of massive pyramids in Bosnia at that period is not believable. Curtis Runnels, a specialist in the prehistory of Greece and the Balkans at Boston University, notes that "Between 27,000 and 12,000 years ago, the Balkans were locked in the last Glacial maximum, a period of very cold and dry climate with glaciers in some of the mountain ranges. The only occupants were Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers who left behind open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. These remains consist of simple stone tools, hearths, and remains of animals and plants that were consumed for food. These people did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture."

This I have to agree with 
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Docyabut, it is really irrelevant (not to mention probably impossible) to date the pyramid at this point. The point is, you can't carbon date a block of stone. Even in the most recent dating of the Great Pyramid, they dated the mortar surrounding the stone as opposed to the stone itself.

No scientist has put forth a credible "alternative" explanation as to why there is a pyramid sitting in Bosnia!

Instead, all they can do is offer character assasination towards the man who found it.

Weak.

I'd hate to think what would happen if anyone ever found Atlantis at the bottom of the ocean. Mainstream science would be more concerned with what schools that person went to and what grades that person got rather than the discovery itself. I half believe that petition that was started against all this is simply a result of the propaganda machine against Osmanagic by people who simply didn't want this to be found. It's really sad that people like this are even in charge of archaeology today.
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The Illyrians are frequently mentioned as the possoble builders of the pyramid, but are they the only candidate?


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History of the Balkans-Early History

Early cultures of the Balkans were predominantly agricultural. Archaeologists have identified several early culture-complexes, including the Cucuteni culture (4500 BC - 3500 BC), Vinča culture (5000 BC-3000 BC) and the Linearbandkeramic culture. A notable set of artifacts is the Tărtăria tablets, which appear to be inscribed with an early form of writing. Also deserving mention is the Butmir Culture, found on the outskirts of present day Sarajevo. Likely overrun by the Illyrians in the bronze age, the Butmir Culture developed unique ceramics. The discovery was one of the reasons the International Congress of Archeology and Anthropology was held in Sarajevo in 1894.

The "Kurgan hypothesis" of Proto-Indo-European (PIE) origins assumes gradual expansion of the "Kurgan culture" until it encompasses the entire pontic steppe, Kurgan IV being identified with the Yamna culture of around 3000 BC.

Overview of the Kurgan hypothesisA modified form of Kurgan theory by J. P. Mallory, dating the migrations earlier to around 4000 BC and putting less insistence on their violent or quasi-military nature, is still widely held. Colin Renfrew is the main propagator for a newer theory dating from 1987 according to which the Proto-Indo-Europeans were farmers in Asia Minor who expanded peacefully in South East Europe from around 7000 BC (wave of advance). The Paleolithic Continuity Theory (PCT) suggests that the Indo-European languages originated in Europe and have existed there since the Paleolithic.

The Indo-European invasion began around 2000 BC, by conquering the local agricultural cultures, using the advantage of better weapons and the use of horses. The first Greek tribe to arrive in Greece were probably the Achaeans, around 1800 BC, meeting a presumably non-Indo-European people whom they called Pelasgians.Myceneans also arrive in about 1600 BC and they were one of the earliest Indo-European civilizations in the Balkans, only to decline with the arrival of the Dorian Greeks around 1100 BC (see: Greek Dark Ages). There exist two theories on the origin of the Illyrian tribes. One associates them with the Hallstatt culture an Iron Age people coming into the Western Balkans after 2000 BC and the other considers the Illyrians autochthonous. Around 1500 BC Thracians settle in the Balkans. The Thracians were inhabitants of Thrace and adjacent lands (present-day Romania, Bulgaria, northeastern Greece, European Turkey, eastern Serbia and Macedonia). They spoke the Thracian language, one of the Indo-European languages.The Phrygians seem to have settled in the southern Balkans at first, centuries later continuing their migration to settle in Asia Minor.
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Well, wonder of wonders, looks like he was misquoted. Apparently Osmanagic nevere claimed they were 12,000 years old after all:


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Osmanagić's interpretation

Locations of the Pyramids of the Sun, Moon and (Bosnian) Dragon, according to the hypotheses of Semir OsmangićOsmanagić has named Visočica hill the "Pyramid of the Sun", while two nearby hills, identified from satellite and aerial photography, have been dubbed the "Pyramid of the Moon" and the "Pyramid of the (Bosnian) Dragon" (and another two, one named the "Pyramid of the Earth", have been mentioned in reports). Newspaper reports have quoted Osmanagić as claiming that they were constructed by ancient Illyrian inhabitants of the Balkans as early as 12,000 BCE. But in an interview with Philip Coppens in Nexus Magazine (April-May 2006), Osmanagić rectified this statement, stating he was misquoted: he does claim that they were most likely constructed by teh Illyrians, who lived in the area from 12,000 BCE to 500 BCE, and that the pyramid was therefore most likely constructed between those two dates - not in 12,000 BCE.
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Hope that clears that up.


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Currently Osmanagić states the excavation has produced evidence of building blocks one metre below the surface of the hill, as well as tunnels [2]. Earlier geological work has also indicated that human activity had shaped the hill[3]. Additionally Osmanagić has found tunnels in the hillside which he interprets as ventilation shafts. He plans to date the tunnels by analysis of stalactites found within them[4].

Osmanagić believes his discoveries around Visoko will have further implications for world prehistory. By comparing the varying heights of the tallest pyramids in Mexico and Egypt with Visočica hill he concluded that the pyramids may all have been built by the same peoples with the Bosnian Pyramid the last to be built [5]. However, upon further thought he has decided that this dating mechanism may not be reliable and has now announced Visočica hill could be "the mother of all Pyramids". This is corroborated by the existence of sacral geometry and further numerological study of messages left in the pyramid for future generations[6].
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Pyramids

The pyramid is estimated to be 722 feet high, one third taller than the Great Pyramid Cheops in Giza, and the tallest pyramid in the world. Excavations at the pyramid have already located stone cubes believed to form the surface of this pyramid.
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A very well-worded response, Desiree, to which I would also like to add that the entity that we commonly know as mainstream science has a very specific chronology about what happened, and when, and is entirely resistant most of the time when it comes to changing it.

While it is quite laudable in some ways that they try and fit the unknown in with the known, this stubbornness is, at times reminiscent of creationists trying to fit every new discovery in with what they know from the Bible.

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Desire qoute-Docyabut, it is really irrelevant (not to mention probably impossible) to date the pyramid at this point. The point is, you can't carbon date a block of stone.

Thats what I said , you can only date it as it relates to another culture.And Plato never metioned any pyramids in the Atlantis story.

I think it really cool another pyramid has been found and hopefuly they will find that culture that made it.   
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SARAJEVO (AFP) - An Egyptian geologist who has joined Bosnian researchers unearthing what are thought to be Europe's first pyramids believes they bear similar hallmarks to the ancient structures in his homeland, an official said.

Aly Abd Alla Barakat, of the Egyptian Mineral Resources Authority, believes large stone blocks found near Sarajevo were man-made and polished in the same way as the pyramids of Giza, said the Bosnian Pyramid Foundation's Mario Gerussi.

"Barakat has also found the presence of a special material linking the stone blocks which is identical to that used for pyramids in Giza," he added.

Barakat had extensive knowledge of the pyramids in Giza and had been recommended for the Bosnian mission by Zahi Hawass, one of the world's foremost Egyptologists, said Gerussi.

Over the next month, he is to work with Bosnian experts at Visoko valley, some 30 kilometres (18 miles) north of Sarajevo, which is believed to be hiding three major pyramids.

Since the digging work began in mid-April on one of the three hills there believed contain pyramids, researchers have unearthed a number of large stone blocks.

Semir Osmanagic, a self-styled Bosnian explorer who initiated the work, says he believes the blocks are part of a pyramid's surface.

Previously, satellite images showed that the hills in the valley cooled a lot faster than their surroundings, proving the substance of the structures was less dense and therefore probably made by men.

Also, the structures are precisely aligned with the four points of the compass.

The excavation work at Visoko, led by the foundation of local archaeologists and volunteers, will last 200 days and is expected to cost some 125,000 euros (160,000 dollars).

While most Bosnians are hopeful the pyramids will be found, a group of the country's archaeologists and historians have dismissed Osmanagic's mission as a "farce."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060517/sc_afp/bosniaegyptarcheology_060517173852;_ylt=AreG1DKZt57aciREj8onmE7POrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--
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