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« Reply #135 on: May 05, 2008, 11:40:10 pm »

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A little background on mtdna research

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A Comparative Study of Sequences Derived From Mitochondrial DNA Databases Applied To the Question Of the Origin Of Modern Humans

Kara B. Babrowski

It has been nearly twelve years since the scientific community saw the publication of the first valid research regarding mitochondrial DNA in conjunction with human evolution. Since this time, there has been an exponential growth in publications on this topic, due in particular to the innovation of the Polymerase Chain Reaction by Kary Mullis in the 1980's. This revolutionary technique provided a method by which tiny portions of DNA can be amplified, allowing the sequences of fossils as well as modern humans to be determined. The continuing analysis of the mitochondrial genome of antiquated skeletons along with contemporary humans is certain to provide a view into our evolutionary past. Although many scientists are attempting to link these old fossils to modern humans, there are many different methods to meet such an end. Some of the research being conducted in this discipline is mathematical as it is based upon previous sequences, while some deals with the sequencing of different mitochondrial genomes. There is a tremendous body of information available for many sequences, yet there have not been any conclusive findings. This has resulted in little effort being put forth to look at this research from a macroscopic point of view. Not all paleoanthropologists have fully accepted the validity of the sort of research presented in this paper which is another reason why the synthesis of the current data is not complete. Through the digestion and careful analysis to follow, it is the goal of this paper to carefully analyze the current research and lend credence to the conclusions presented in the various journal articles. This paper will also look at one current application of mitochondrial DNA research as it relates to the Out of Africa Model of the origins of modern Homo sapiens.

This analysis relies on the use of the MitBase, an Internet database containing relevant mitochondrial DNA sequences. The sequences gleaned from MitBase were downloaded from the Internet and then copied into MacVector, which serves as an alignment program. These sequences were then aligned and each sequence individually compared to the entire body of entered sequences.

Comparisons of the results achieved through this technique will be made to the current literature in order to evaluate the extent of their agreement to the most recent hypothesis of the origins of modern human. With the availability of databases on the Internet to the public, it has been possible to perform original tests on previously published sequences. A result of this analysis is to demonstrate the practical application of Internet sequence databases. This will be illustrated thorough the implementation of the computer program MacVector to show there is more difference within African D-loop mitochondrial DNA sequences than exists within other population including Indonesia and Native American Indians. Upon investigating all of the material at hand, and applying a multidisciplinary perspective to mitochondrial DNA, it is certain to be concluded that the direction of mitochondrial DNA research must be pushed in this direction. The above-mentioned molecular approaches have enjoyed limited application which, when used, prove to be more conclusive than the traditional skeletal analyses. These techniques must be used to help put the Multiregional Hypothesis to rest in favor of the Out of Africa Hypothesis.

The new frontier of "molecular anthropology" began in the 1970's with the work of Vincent Sarich, Masatoshi Nei and Arun Roychoudhury (1974). It was at this time that Nei and Roychoudhury published molecular data showing Europeans and Asians are together both more closely related to one another than either is to the African population. Nei and Roychoudhury concluded the European-Asian population had a distinctly different genetic make-up than the African population. From this, they construed the Africans must be an older genetic group. At that time, they calculated a split of 130,000 years between Africans and the European-Asian populations. Though this was the first evidence presented of Africans being molecularly separate and a great deal older, technology was not yet available to test the genetic make-up of the two populations. Approximately thirteen years later, technology had advanced sufficiently to cause this hotly debated subject to again come to the fore with the proposition by Cann, Wilson and Stoneking (1987) that modern humans originated out of Africa approximately 200,000 years ago. This work was based on the molecular analysis of mitochondrial DNA sequences.

The first documented use of mitochondrial DNA was cited in 1983 with the work of Douglas Wallace. Data from mtDNA analyses led them to conclude an Asian origin of modern humans was as likely as an African origin of modern humans. However, after additional research they later agreed with Cann, Wilson and Stoneking. and concluded the origins of modern humans to be in Africa.

Mitochondrial DNA is the most commonly used molecular tool being used in the attempt to understand our ancient origins. This popularity can be attributed in part to the fact that mtDNA is maternally inherited; thus the genetic trees relating mtDNA sequences are readily interpreted as genealogies reflecting the maternal history of our species. In addition, mtDNA is commonly used because it appears to evolve rapidly. This means many differences arise even among mtDNA's from closely related populations. The D-Loop region is the most commonly used region in mitochondrial DNA studies based upon the idea that it is a highly conserved region among the species. This aspect makes it ideal for study because it is a region of the DNA that is least likely to endure mutations and thus remain constant throughout populations.

Though there has been a great deal of evidence relating the origin of modern humans back to Africa, several opponents of this theory exist. Milford Wolpoff contends that the distinctive regional populations of Homo erectus found throughout Africa, Asia and Europe each evolved independently into modern humans at approximately the same time. There are several supporters of this theory, but a lack of molecular evidence is widely regarded to weaken this argument.

In classical evolutionary theory, it is widely held that independent evolution does not occur. This means pockets of geographically distinct populations do not hold the capacity to generate the same changes necessary to be considered the same species after a given period of isolation. Based upon the chance involved in evolution, independent evolution is entirely unlikely between two groups, let along populations spanning three continents. Through the analysis of mtDNA it is likely that in the near future our ancient history will be unraveled, and more data is certain to be presented to further intensify the Out of Africa Model of the origin of modern humans.

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The thesis above was written by a senior college student in 1999. In the world of genetics, a 7-year-old paper is out-of-date. I also noticed a number of errors in it, but overally, it was a great paper by a college student.

Those who are really interested in mtDNA should do a google search with "mtDNA" as the term. There are several top-of-the-line genetics journals available online. Just keep in mind that anything published before 1997 may have substantial inaccuracies. (For example, Haplogroup X wasn't discovered until 1997 and at first archaeologists said it was a recent incursion that came to America after Columbus' arrival. Journal articles (in genetic journals) after 2002 will be the most accurate.
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Those who are really interested in mtDNA should do a google search with "mtDNA" as the term
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I did Greg, that's how I got that article, I jUst posted the 1st one I came across.Interesting stuff.

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« Reply #138 on: May 05, 2008, 11:41:52 pm »

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Here is another interesting article on DNA.
(This one is only three years old)

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From: "Annie, The WritingTeacher" <writingteacher7@hotmail.com>
Subject: [DNA] Interesting facts about mtDNA U5 the oldest mtDNA in Europe and Cro-Magnons
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:51:14 -0800


The oldest mtDNA in Europe is U5. It had a common ancestor with its sister
group, U6. The age of U5 is estimated at 50,000 but could be as old as
60,500 years. Where did U5 come from, as it's the first in Europe and
evolved in Europe. The first place scientists find U5 in Europe is in
Cyrenaica, and artifacts are found in Iberia. Syke's book says it shows up
45,000-50,000 years ago in Delphi, Greece.

It has a common ancestor with the Berber U6, found in a third of Moroccans,
which is its ultimate starting point before it arrived in the Middle East
and then went on into Europe. U6 in N. Africa is close to U5 in Europe, and
U6 is close in age to U5. The female who was the ancestor of U5 and U6 lived
in what today is Morocco and Algeria. U5 and U6 cluster with other Europeans
and not with Sub-Saharan Africans. Today, U6 comprises a third of the
Mozabite Berbers. There was gene flow between N. Africa and the Middle East.
The ancestor of U5 and U6 lived in the Maghreb in N. Africa. U5 is found
almost exclusively in Europe today.

U6 is found today in the Canary Islands, Iberia, N. Africa and Portugal. U5
is dominant in Scandinavia, particularly Finland, along with V and U4 there
also. A large proportion of Canary Islander are U6. The medieval Guanches of
the Canary Islands also had U6. There was a lot of interbreeding in
paleolithic times between U5 and U6. The Berbers are high in U6 mtDNA today.
Whereas U5 today is found all over Europe and is the oldest European mtDNA,
and is found more in Scandinavia, particularly Finland.

But not all Berbers are U6. The largest cluster of Berbers from N. Africa is
H, especially in the city of Mzab. But when you test the Berbers with H, you
find a sequence 16213 that has been found so far only in Europe, possibly
suggesting a European origin for the H sequences in this N. African
indigenous population of Berbers. They have numerous people with red hair
and freckles, speaking Berber languages. The Kabyl of Algeria also have this
trait. So did back migration to Africa take place in paleolithic times also?
Yes.

Another common haplotype 16148-16343 belongs to the Berbers who have U3, a
common haplogroup in the Middle East (Iraq) and also in Europe. And mtDNA U
is found there, unrelated to U6, native to N. Africa. J is there, but J
comes from Syria and Turkey. Some gene flow did come from further south in
Africa, because a few Berbers are L3b, L2
and L3a, but sub-Saharan gene flow is only 14% among the Berbers of Morocco
and the people of the Canary Islands in modern times.

So what this studyh shows is that European and Middle Easter sequences in
the Berbers came from Europe within the last 10,000 years. Countries most
likely--Sicily, Malta, and Spain. Throw in another monkey wrench. People
from the Nile Valley migrated to Morocco in ancient times adding more mtDNA
diversity. So waht adoes it show? That U5 is the first echo out of Africa
into Europe, but that it shows up as the first Europeans in two places,
Delphi and Spain around 50,000 years ago.
The source of this information is V. Macaulay, et al's article, "The
Emerging Tree of West Eurasian mtDNAs: A Synthesis of Control Region
Sequences nad RFLPs," American Journal of Human Genetics: 64:232-249, 1999.

So U5 turns out to be the most ancient mtDNA in Europe (50,000 years to
60,500) and U6 in N. Africa. What's interesting is that U5 and U6 are
"sister mtDNA groups" with a common ancestor in N. Africa. Each mtDNA group
has a sister group. For example H and V are sister groups, with a common
ancestor. And J and T are sister groups. U and K are sister groups. Each
sister group has a common ancestor that had in its signature both J and T or
H and V or U and K, etc.

Why the Deep Genetic Split Between Two European Groups of mtDNAs?

There's also a deep genetic split between some of the European groups. For
example X is split deeply from H by certain transitions such as 16223T
instead of 16223C in some, but not all X mtDNAs. There's a deep genetic
split between (H, I, J, and K) and T, U, V, W, and X). What kind of event
took place in paleolithic times to cause this huge split between these
European groups? Did the split take place before or after arrival in Europe?
Was it the isolation of the Ice age that caused it?

Were the two groups separated, for example, in different parts of the world?
It doesn't seem so, because H I J and K are in one group, and H lived in
paleolithic times in France and Spain, whereas I lived in the Middle East or
Central Asia and J and K lived in Syria and also later, K lived in the Alps
(from 17,000 years ago)...but also is found in the Middle East and all over
Europe. So what split the two groups?

Look at the other group (T, U V, W and X). Well, X usually is grouped with I
and W, and is found rarely in Europe and heavily in the Middle East and
Caucasus, especially in Georgia. T is all over the British Isles, but also
in the Arabian Peninsula and the Middle East.

U is found all over N. Africa, Europe, and the Middle East and is the oldest
in Europe. and W and X, some in Europe, but most in the Middle East, N.
India, and Caucasus, except for the X that went to the new World via the
Central Asia through Siberia route, and is found among certain Native
American tribes like the Ojibwa and Sioux, Lakota, and a few other tribes.
What do you think caused the split between (T U V, W and X) and (H I J and
K)?

Cro Magnons
According to "Morphological Evolution in Prehistoric Skeletal Remains," in
the book, Archeogenetics, (Mc Donald Institute Monographs), who were the
Cro-Magnons? Their common ancestors were U6 from N. Africa and U5 from
Europe. They had broad faces, were tall, slender, and long boned. Skeletal
remains from caves in Spain such as Longar show they are most closely
related to today's Swedes. The mtDNA studies on the Cro-Magnon fossils from
the prehistoric Basques show they are slightly different from today's
Basques, but today's Basques are similar to medieval Basques. The
paleolithic samples showed they were closer to modern Swedes than to modern
Basques. The Pico Ramos caves and other prehistoric Basque area samples
showed the paleolithics were closer to one another than to anyone modern,
but Basque populations ancient and modern did group together. mtDNA J was
absent from the Longar site cave of Paleolithic Cro-Magnon samples, but the
predominant prehistoric mtDNA was H, a high amount of H as if that's the
dominant population there 22,000 years ago.

Other mtDNAs were identified--U, T and X. Interestingly, some other mtDNA
haplogroups showed up that didn't fit in anything modern. Those just
disappeared 22,000 years ago or so. Either they didn't survive to reproduce
or they had only sons.

Fascinating....Even 20,000 years ago, H was still the dominant type in
Europe as it is today--47% of Europeans are H. What was it about that group
that had so many daughters survive to modern times, and what was it that
made the other mtDNA groups smaller in size, at least in Europe?
H is only 6% of the Middle East today, but is the dominant type in the
Caucasus at a smaller number than in Europe. Was it something in the water
of the Pyranees? Or the food supply that didn't elsewhere in Europe at the
time of the last maximum Ice Age?

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2003-01/1042577474

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« Reply #139 on: May 05, 2008, 11:42:25 pm »

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Thanks for posting a newer article than the one I posted earlier, I couldn't find a published date on it and was not sure how old it was.

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No problem. I find it interesting how the DNA evidence tells a story similar to whatwe've been told of Atlantis.

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