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Ancient Harbor Complex Confirmed at Bimini, Bahamas—Hoax Revealed

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An American archaeological team has discovered definitive evidence of underwater ancient harbor remains at two separate locations at Bimini. A hoax begun in 1978 by skeptics has also been uncovered.

(I-Newswire) - Archaeologist William Donato and a team of researchers have confirmed a complex of ancient harbor works in shallow water off Bimini, 50 miles from Miami. In May 2005, the team investigated a little-known line of underwater stones located a mile from a controversial site known as the “Bimini Road.”  The new mile-long line of stones was found and videotaped from the air. Subsequent dives revealed several large stone circles on the bottom, formed from large blocks of limestone arranged into circular patterns. The circles were spaced at regular intervals. Stone anchors, identical to ancient Phoenician, Greek, and Roman anchors, were also found. “These finds took us by surprise,” stated Dr. Greg Little, who organized the expedition. “The circles may be similar to ancient Mediterranean harbor ‘mooring circles.’”

Near the new site is the Bimini Road, a misnamed J-shaped underwater formation of stone blocks. A careful search there yielded two stone anchors in the 1800-foot long stone formation. “One of these is identical to unusual ancient Greek anchors found at Thera,” Little related. Several other artifacts were found, “but the most important finds directly contradict skeptical claims.” The team found numerous multiple tiers of blocks including one set of three on top of each other. “The top block has a U-shaped channel cut all the way across its bottom,” Little said. “The most definitive evidence was found under the massive blocks. We found rectangular slabs of smooth, cut stone literally stacked under several blocks. These were used as leveling prop stones. This is proof that the so-called Bimini Road was a breakwater forming an ancient harbor.”

The team took 20 hours of underwater video and 1000 photos. “It’s taken us five months to process the information and organize the evidence,” Little stated. “While the finds are definitive, the real problem is that a few skeptics wrote articles asserting the main formation was simply natural limestone. A hoax was perpetrated at Bimini by the skeptics, but you have to examine a 1978 report to understand it. Academic archaeologists and geologists don’t read that report. They cite later summaries, which are based on falsified data. The hoax is a disgrace, but it’s been actively supported by key people.”

Little prepared a free 30-page pdf report on the expedition and the hoax and produced a 73-minute DVD documentary. The report, containing 70 photos, can be downloaded at: http://www.mysterious-america.net/biminihoax.html )

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Well, it's like a hoax in reverse. There's a lot of discussion about it over at Graham's site.

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Docyabut & Tom,

A healthy dose of skepticism is in order here. Greg Little has been working on trying to prove that Atlantis existed in the Bimini Island area of the Bahamas since the 1970's - all to no avail. Everything he has tried to use as so-called "evidence" has turned out to be nothing more than natural formations or dumping from ships of more recent centuries. Furthermore, he has close ties with the Edgar Cayce Foundation and, as such, he clearly has a vested interest in proving Bimini to be the location of Atlantis (since Edgar Cayce "prophecied" that Atlantis would rise again in that area).

I've read the scientific review of all the evidence presented and everything (as usual) was in order. Documentation of what was done and where it was done was superlative. The scientific study conducted examined the rocks of the so-called "road" and found no evidence of man-made, cut, stones. In fact, what they discovered was its underlying strata.

As of 2002, there was no evidence of any circles, etc, in the area and now, all of a sudden, the area abounds with them?

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Thats strange, Erick, because I read and saw ariel photos of circular features in that area at lest 5, maybe more years ago. Not saying they are anything of archeological interest; but they are there.
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Brig,

The only shapes that I am aware of that are visible from the air in that area are:

1. The so-called "Bimini Road"
2. Native American animal-shaped effigy mounds

If you know of some source that shows pictures of the circles that doesn't require a large download from Greg Little, I'm all ears.  However, I would be more inclined to believe that they were created by native American indians than by "Atlanteans".

Incidentally, I know what I know regarding Dr. Greg Little and the Cayce Foundation because when I spoke to the Cayce Foundation back in 1998 (I was looking for funding), they referred me to Dr. Greg Little and told me he had found a wealthy, independent source of funding; apparently some widow that believed in Cayce's prophecies and Dr. Little's theories.

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Brig,

The Littles have explored virtually all of the circular features reported in the Bimini area. They have determined that the circles are all formed by natural biological processes involving sponges and grasses.

The Bimini Road, however, is a different matter. If you are really interested in archaeological discoveries in that part of the world, you might want to check out the ongoing discussion at Graham's site. Dr. Little is an active participant at this time.
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Good enough Tom. I knew I had seen the photos but had no idea whether they had been followed up on. Note to Erick: I never said they were Atlantis. 
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Erick, yes I have been following Greg Little `s theory, documentries and he always claimed that the Binmini road was part of Cayce`s Atlantis. However now he claiming different. They are now just island harbors of which there still is no proof.
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Well, it's like a hoax in reverse. There's a lot of discussion about it over at Graham's site.

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Hmmm the Bimini Road is Bimini Port then???

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Yes. A rather interesting turn of events, don't you think?
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Understood. However, the Littles (and others) have, at some time or another, attempted to suggest possible connections to/with Atlantis.

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The suggestion that the so-called "Bimini Road" is some sort of breakwall for a port ignores the complete lack of supporting evidence. A breakwall would only be needed where a port existed and ports would possess accompanying structures/signs of civilization. Where are the accompanying structures/signs of civilization at Bimini? Why does absolutely NOTHING else exist in that area that would support the suggestion of an advanced civilization at Bimini? The answer is, of course, common sense: because an advanced seafaring civilization never existed at that location, and the so-called "Bimini Road" has never been anything other than what the scientific evidence has shown it to be - a unique (but not terribly unique) natural formation of beachrock. Please remember, in science, something is considered to not exist until it can be proven otherwise, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The extraordinary evidence required to support their claims are conspicuously absent.

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You are certainly entitled to your opinion. All I am suggesting is that people who are interested in the paleoarchaeology of the Bahamas should go to the Hancock discussion, look at the facts and decide for themselves what they think. Both pro and con are presented in a fair and balanced manner.
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Tom,

Understood and appreciated, but I was not positing an opinion. I am merely stating the facts and asking the question that everyone should be asking themselves, which is "Where is all of the corroborating evidence to support the claim that the so-called 'Bimini Road' is a man-made breakwall?"

The average 'Atlantologist' seems to have a perpensity to selectively ignore those facts which they deem "inconvenient".

I am all too familiar with Hancock's concept of "fair & balanced". Hancock broke-off communication with me when our investigations led in different directions. The second I questioned his logic/reason, or the lack of supporting/corroborating scientific evidence to support his claims, he ceased returning my e-mails. And he was the man who once told me that he believed in a free exchange of thoughts & ideas. Apparently, only so long as they agree with his own.
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Here is a response from Greg Little to some of the issues that have been raised in this thread. Brig, please note the clarification on the circles. There is more than one type of circle, and I was referring only to the biologically formed ones. I don't know what you saw pictures of.

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I was completely uninvolved and unknown in the ARE until 2000,
only 5 years ago. We then began writing a series of books with
John Van Auken. In 2002, we were the first Editors of an ARE
newsletter, Ancient Mysteries, which we handed over to John
about a year ago. I've read in this thread that in 1998 the ARE
referred someone to me for Atlantis research assistance, but
that's impossible. It could have been from 2003 on, yes. But not
in 1998. In 1998-2000, I traveled widely doing work in prisons.

The very first involvement we had in the ARE's Atlantis Project
was in 2003. I made my first trip to Bimini then--2003. The
suggestion we were doing anything related to Atlantis research
before then, in the 1970s??, is ludicrous and untrue. I was in
graduate school then and working in prisons, publishing a lot of
research in criminal justice. From 1990 to 2000, just about
everything I did related to criminal justice. I hope I'm being
confused with many others who were active then, perhaps Bill
Donato or Doug Richards. But it wasn't me.

In 2003 we started a series of expeditions mainly to Andros, but
it included Bimini, Isla Cerritos, and Piedras Negras,
Guatemala. While we (my wife an I) were offered financial
support from the ARE, we refused it as well as from others.
That's all easily verifiable and proveable. The Director of the ARE
noted that fact in the Preface of our book. The May 2005
expedition to Bimini was done jointly with Bill Donato's
organization, but we used no outside funds for anything we did.

The ARE does have donors to the foundation, and since 2003
I've been asked for an opinion about various research proposals
that are received. The "wealthy widow" assertion is bizarre as it
relates to this. In truth, there are a lot of wealthy people in the
ARE, but I'm not aware of any that have donated to the ARE's
Atlantis work--though many people did contribute sums for the
work in past years. But since our 2003 involvement, the ARE
hasn't spent anything on it. All these trips are costly, but we have
done them because we wanted to and could. Simple as that.

The underwater stone circles we just reported on are not the
same circles we investigated in 2003. The ARE sponsored an
IKONOS satellite imaging project in 2002 that detected several
circular formations in shallow water on the NE side of South
Bimini. They were either natural or dumping grounds. There
were also underwater circular formations at Andros we
investigated in 2003, those reported by pilots, Valentine,
Rebikoff, and Berlitz in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. We found and
visited all of those--they were natural.

After a 2004 visit to the Bimini Road, I looked at 5 hours of video
we took, and found some things that seemed out of place. I also
read all of Donato's massive reports, which had many intriguing
finds. Then I read an obscure report coauthored by one of the
skeptical geologists, which stated that another line of stones
was about a mile from the so-called "Bimini Road." The report
said that there were stone circles there at regular spaced
intervals. But it was never mentioned again or investigated.

In May a group of us, with Donato, went to Bimini. We started by
flying over the unresearched line of stones at 500 ft. The stone
circles were visible and great aerial digital footage of it was
obtained. We found five large stone circles and several partial
ones. At least 8 stone anchors were found.

Turning our attention to the Bimini Road, we spent more time
diving there than anyone has at one time, obtaining over 24
hours of video, mostly underwater. We found numerous multiple
tiers of stone blocks, excavated over 24 marble pieces from
under a block, and discovered cut, rectangular slabs of smooth
stone underneath many blocks. These were amazing. In many
cases, these slabs were stacked, leveling the top block that's
seen from the surface. We also found two stone anchors there,
including one that was identical to unusual ancient Greek
anchors found at Thera. There was more, but that's what is in the
report.

Since all of these finds contradicted what the skeptical
geologists had written (all 4 of them, that's right, only 4), I
obtained a hard-to-find copy of Eugene Shinn's 1978 article in
Sea Frontiers. If you have it, pull it out and read it. That article
contains the actual finds Shinn made at Bimini, results from 17
cores. It is the entire basis of the "natural beachrock" hypothesis.
Here is what Shinn reported: The study was done "to determine
if all the cores dipped toward deep water," if they did, it would
show the formation was a natural beachrock formation that
fractured in place. Shinn's actual results were divided into 2
groups of cores. One group of 8 cores showed no bedding
planes that dipped to deep water. His discussion on the other 9
cores stated no numbers, relating that "many" of the cores were
horizontal (flat) and the remainder dipped to the deep water. You
are left to ponder why no actual numbers were cited in how many
of these 9 cores were flat or dipping. The only clue is that "many"
of them were horizontal with no tilt or dip.

In 1980, 1984, and 2004, Shinn and/or archaeologist Marshall
McKusick summarized Shinn's findings from the cores
essentially as "all the cores dipped toward the deep water." But
his actual results in the obscure Sea Frontiers article, cited in the
later articles, showed that less than 25% dipped toward deep
water. That finding was less than by chance alone. Shinn also
asserted in 2004 that 30 columns (or cylinders) found at Bimini
and reported by Harrison in 1971 were "Portland cement."
McKussic simply wrote that all the columns were cement. What
Harrison actually reported was two of the columns were fluted
marble that was not from the Bahamas and very unlikely from the
US. He also reported that the identical cement columns were
made from a fire lime kiln process. I engaged in a long series of
contacts with Shinn regarding all of this, and that's in the report.

There is substantially more detail than this, that's why the
29-page report was issued, along with 70 photos of evidence in
the report. Shinn & McKusick's assertions about what Shinn
reported in 1978 are a scientific hoax, and I provide a discussion
of scientific fraud from the National Academies of Science and
other sources to detail it. I have also written that those who claim
to have actually read Shinn's original report and the later ones,
were either duped, didn't actually read the 1978 report (relying on
later summaries as I initially did), or became supporters of the
hoax because they liked the assertion. The last part of that
statement explains why scientific fraud is tolerated.

What we assert is that the Bimini formations were a harbor
works. They are identical in size, shape, and construction to
many ancient harbors found in the Mediterranean. Nowhere do
we assert it is from Atlantis.

In the report I also relate the precise reactions that skeptics
would have as well as why. In brief, the results will be too
disturbing and defense mechanisms come into play saying,
"this can't be true, therefore it isn't." While that was the reaction
from many, I have pleasantly surprised. I've had contact from
many people. After the initial anger and shock and ridicule, many
skeptics actually read the report and then read the articles it
references to prove to themselves that what is asserted about
the hoax is true That's what I asked them to do. Many of them
continued to keep talking about Atlantis, but that's
understandable after a 25-year long hoax that's fooled everyone.
But most I have been in contact with are then convinced that
there is a harbor work there.

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What is the actual hoax being claimed here... I don't follow.
"A hoax was perpetrated at Bimini by the skeptics, but you have to examine a 1978 report to understand it. Academic archaeologists and geologists don’t read that report. They cite later summaries, which are based on falsified data. The hoax is a disgrace, but it’s been actively supported by key people."


Also, this guy claims the bimini road is a chinese harbour from 1421AD.
http://www.1421.tv/

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