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« Reply #135 on: November 16, 2008, 03:31:56 am »

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There are many a good reason to keep tracing, investigating and re-considering the historic era of Mideval Europe, - which pretty much coincides with the regime of the Church of Rome.
Built on the ruins of the old Roman Empire, the new clerics organised the "new" or "eternal" city, a Metero(-polis) del la Mundo. With it came the monopolistic culture of "Christendom", an off-spring from the philosophies of the greek-arabic area, where the Jewish descendants were making a cult out of their own "honorful traditions and holy scriptures". By some reason it all ended in monopolistic ideologies, suited as a tool -to subjugate, neccesary to rule a conquered population. Which is what the Emperors of Rome missed - to sustain their empire; The Higher God and His Divine Plan. As alibi.

Based on "The Will of Constantine" - a paper presumeably signed by the last emperor of Rome, he gave the Throne of Rome to the Bishop of Rome, to take over the mundane power of the empire. Unheard of course, - but what could the poor servants say or do about it? Keep their old codex` - and most humbly, but most certainly abstain?

Could that have saved us from the horrors and malice expressed by the religious wars and the inquisition - where people moved with brutality, homicide and terror, inflicting pain that would stay for generations - bringing exstinction or corruption to the old, legitimate rulers. and soon poisoning entire culture?

Could a Divine rejection of Constantins old offer have saved the basic mass of written material that did exist - in Egypt as well as in Ireland and Inguchetia. Could the grosser number of old Egyptian/Greek/Roman texts been saved from the book-fires of the inquistione - both in the streets as in a countless number of smaller or larger "church-fires". In 1352 the national archives of Norway was moved to a church in the "new capital" of Bergen. Finally all the papers arrived - just to become smoke - overnigth. Since than the cultural, etnical and cultural history of Scandinavia was erradicated. As the last part of the continent - to be culturally uprooted and deprived.

If just the old clerics of the Divine could have rejected the "treasures of this world" we would surely have saved much more of the old, "pagan" writings of Egypt, Greece, Rome and N Eurasia. Just like we would have had a world of Indians running The Americas - if the religious Rome havent been in desparate need of refunding - galloping all throughout the 15th century.

And what writing did exist in other Eurasian languages, the ones named "barbaric" - before the church started their row of "cultural cleansing"?

Today it is some 1500 years since this superstitious, dictatorial culture started to spread their regime by the word - and the sword - to rule all of the Mediterranean. Already 1200 BP we had the crazyness of war again running through Europe, - as Charlemagne started a crusade among the Franks, - subjugating all the Frankish men into military service - of The Holy See. Later the Frankish army completed what old Rome never accomplished, - to tire out the Anglo-Saxon and the Danish, and by that acquiring England and Scandinavia.

From now on the Bishop of Rome could oversee "all the world" as his regime. Thus he entitled himself Big Daddy, or Pope - publicly instituted as a "Gods Own Replacement On Earth". From then on the Cardinality have effectivly been operating as "Gods (one-and-only) Secretaries" - taking care for all "his" priviledges, priorities and properties throughout the world.

1000 years ago the "second comming" of the Church had completed one old Roman dream. This time helped by The Holy Book, that states the prophecy that "all the world shall again rejoice". Thats also the immediate reason why material from catolic clerics - written shortly before or in the year 1000 (Anno Domini), tell of a widely accepted expectance - namely that Jesus would walk again in the year 1000. One of the main reason given is the premise of the prophecy; "When all the earth is baptized in his name - he will return". With the subjugation of Denmark - and effectivly Scandinavia - as of 987 - the baptism of "all the world" was considered to be achieved.

But Jesus did not rejoin and until 1066 there was still forces of freedom left in Europe. But from then on the Vatican regime becomes gradually all-migthy. In 1152 the Catholic Church opened a new Region-officed in Trondheim, Norway - appointing bishops even on Iceland, Isle of Man and Greenland. The latter bishop is rapported to have appointed priests to the old norse populations, now congregations, in; "Markland", "Helluland", "Landit Goda" and "Vinland". After five years the entire Norwegian Sea Kingdom is organised in the church-system, becomming the "largest Archibispal Seat" in the entire world. Thus the first Archbishop of Trondheim, the english Nicolaus Breakespeare, became the first and last English ever to become Pope himself - tx to the acheivments he made on behalf of the church - understanding that his work provided the church with the influence all over the northern hemisphere -and thereby reaching all the corners of the world. By 1184 the Bishop of Greenland sent envoys far south into the Americas, getting first hand repports on the earthly treasures of the old indian cultures. Although a further exploitation is not possible - before canons and guns - made it possible to generate shere killing-fields.

 
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VINILANDI
Due to well known material, Vinland was taken over by Sir Walther Raleigh, - on the behalf of the English Crown. The Spanish still called that areas "Northumbega" - as they knew of the land, and their norse inhabitants. To put down the mark of England that far south certainly was a new and strong signal - that the English - as the north Europeans - did not like the idea of the Treaty of Tordeisillias, from 1502, where the Pope split the overseas continents between his comrades commanding the Italian, Spanish and Portugeese Fleets.

Before the sea-hero of Britannia baptized Virginnia, we know that this land actually belonged to the Crown of Norway. But at the time of the Spanish and Portuguese raids and conquests the old Norwegian sea-kingdom was all broken - and the regime of the country entirely ruled by the church. Until the remains of the old (legitimate) nobility of Scandinavia conspired, together with the German, French and English collueges - to brake the dictatorship of the Holy See. Evidently this nobel revolt of 1527 started the reformation, - where old and new sources of knowledge and information were allowed - even outside the walls of churches or monastries. For the first time in centuries there could be debate. On the other hand - as the "trade" with the new worlds paid so well off, the Vatican regained its economical strength throughout the 16th century - allowing a serious and long-term financing of millitary and political force directed to re-conquer the lost kingdoms of the north.

As the "contra-reformation" went on as we find decades upon decades with "religious wars". Even 500 years after the reformation there have still been terror and civil warfare - due to religious/political divisions - in the cities of Northern Ireland. It is also funny to note that both WWI and WWII were fougth between the "Holy German-Roman Empire", as it was called already the year 800, when the Bishop of Rome "chrowned" Gods first warlord in Europe, Karl the Great, to be "The Earthly Emperor" of the "Christianized" part of the world.

As more and more of the society and culture was broken down and completly changed, the old nobility somehow survived - with their original language, culture and wisdom intact. Thus we get stories of heroes and of old worlds, of places, people and cultures that may appear strange, mystical or as mere fairy-tales today. Simultaniously we know - for sure - that the pre-christian area is filled with more legends and tales, - but also straigth slander and political/religious stigmatization.

Due to this 1000 year old period of monopoly the Vatican could become very efficent as rulers. But they had to excercise their dominion strict, ruthless and tyrranic. Due to intelectual fear and fundamentalism we then see an effective, all-reaching organisation that goes on the hunt WITHIN their own subjugates, - to find and errase any litterature that were NOT in latin, or not part of the churche`s cultural and educational regime.

Thus we find the inquisitions, as well as the former war-fares, a millenium of destruction, distortion and deceptions of all ancient, but "non-holy" liberies, "pagan books" etc., - which is to say the knowledge and the teachings of the old pagan societies. Who worshipped the ligth of the sun and counted the stars.

Which have made them "sun-belivers". Requiring the logic that our predecessors have considered the sun - and its effects - an issue of discussion...?! About the times before the "start of time", i.e. our anniversial 0.

The most important cradle of the mediterranean culture - before the religions come up with new explanations - seems to be Crete, starting their monumental buildings, etc., close to 9.000 year BP. Both the Roman, the Greek and the Egyptian have nourished from this sources of culture, where art, artistery, travel, trade and communication seems to be the benchmark.

We may see this as a remnisant of Atlantis. We may even have different exprectations, explanations or considerations about the "original Atlantis". We do, though, understand that the pre-christian culture of the Mediterranean area, must be a contimuation of what was "a atlantic culture" arriving, - that were unknown before they suddenly and most surprisingly arrived - through the pillars of Hercules.

There is no doubt that a great part of the early mono-teistic regime went on distorting the main source of just the old culture - of diverse and scientific knowledge - had to overthrow. To gain monopolistic powers it have been neccesary to shun the true history of the Mediterranee, and the influence of Atlantis over all this area. Thats why the inqusition is worth another reply or two; there are still dogmatic misconceptions validating a lot of peoples opinions about the "eternal matters", such as our history as specie and cultures. How else could the entire history of ice-time, the most dramatic change in the history of human life, become a "mere myth" - and a complete misunderstanding - or deception - of an envious air-head, placed behind the Sun, should be the ONLY authority. Thus we slided from being "historically and culturally counscious" to become "spiritually inspired". Just as the "the spirit of the inqisitions" we lost track of all realities behind the different legends. Finally - by the turn of last century - we ended up with the historians describing a human culture of European ice-time as a "mere heresay, a fairy-tale and a vision - bearing no historical significance". That has always been the establishments view on the myth of Atlantis too. As of yet...


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More precious goats...
5000-year-old commercial seal discovered in Iran

The oldest known commercial seal, estimated to be about 5000 years
old, was recently discovered at the historical site of Jiroft in
southeastern Iran. The director of the archaeological team working at
the site, Yusef Majidzadeh, said that the seal, which bears the image
of a goat with its head leaning back, was discovered near the
governmental structure of the site during the third stage of
excavations. "The 2x2cm marble seal was skillfully made, indicating
that the region was a developed economic center 5000 years ago," he
added.

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Well, there certainly once existed a culture in the Atlantic ocean, that appeared shortly after ice-time.
We know that this culture expanded from a common source - some 9.000 years ago. It shows first on the westcoast of Scandinavia, from where this island-jumping seems to have started. Here we also find the historical capitol of this "Sea-Kingdom", until it became invaded/conquered, around the year 1000. From that period this Kingdom ceased to exist - and its hsitory changed completly.
By the 14th century all mainland Scandinavia was also under the inquisitional rule, ending as an obedient part of the Latin rule and culture.

Some of the old remains lived on though - especially in the most northern areas, close to the "rim of existence". One such example being the populations of Greenland and Labrador. As the connection with their old capitol was broken, they were quickly weakened. By 1372 the "Ships with guns" started appearing from the south - slaying and errasing the old neighbours of the Eskimos.

Not even the churches and the Biscopal Seat was saved. During the 15th century the ships returned and soon errased all the old populations around the coast of Greenland, Labrador and New Foundland. Suitable individs were taken captive and enslaved. Thus the Portuguese named one of their new colonis "Labradore" - naming the resources to exploit.

We all know that Christobal Colon
repported to both the Portuguese and the Spanish about his discoveries. What is also brougth to ligth is that Mr. Colon came by the harbour of Bristol in 1477, on his way back south, from a roundtrip in the north Atlantic. It is also clear he visited Iceland, - which was the normal route of the English/Scottish trade-vessels.

In his admiral notes - the noble Colombus explain how this trip enabled him to visit the northern top of this island, which coastline lasts to the "african climate-zone". That means he probably followed to the English trade-ships to New Founland, were the local "North-men" delivered artic skins, white falcons and artic ivory. Even the Basques are repporting to have sailed to Labrador anually - already from the 11th century - getting dried cod.
The trip - and a set of due meassurements, made the Venetian cartographer the assertion he needed, - to evaluate the milage between the Azores, respc. Canary Islands - and the continent of "Insula Fortunate".

But before the Spanish and Portuguese could gain "free access" to the richness of the Americas the old northern connection via Greenland, giving Norway the "rigths" to eastcoast America, was simply out of the question. Thus the connection-point, Greenland, was extincted. Even the Biscopal Seat, as all other buildings and churches was destroyed. Only a few refugees escaped to Eskimo-camps on the inland ice-cap. The eskimo still tell that story in their sagas. But the last remains of the original Greenlanders, - ceased to exist around 1450 - "after three following summers of pirat-ships attacking with guns", according to the stories of the eskimos.

Since than all stories - not to say A history - of this Atlantic Kingdom ceased to exist. Thus America could be "discovered" 1492. Since 1502 the whole area, from Mexico til Greenland were to be Portuguese. By the Treaty of Tordesillias - for those who like to investigate into the intertia of papal politics during its latest, continental expansion.

ARCHAOLOGY
The archeological evidences from New Foundland 1962 proved that the old ship-culture of the North Atlantic INDEED knew of the continent, as the remains of a Norse village were excavated on Lance Deux Meadows.

Since then a growing amount of evidence and source-material are showing that branches of this population went as far as the sub-artic climate reached down by the east-coast. In 1979 they even found the remains of a nail-built ship, about 950 years old, on an island of Haiti. So the long-distance oceanic sailing was obviously presnt in the early, historical atlantean culture.
The last 30 years have been exposing old scams in a series of archaeological discoveries from the US eastcoast, like "Memories From an Errased Past".

At the end of the day we need to re-asses and reconsider the whole picture of the North-Atlantic area after ice-age. Already 9.000 years ago this culture appeared to inhabit ALL the islands of the Atlantic north. In less than 1000 years they populated all these islands, and after another millenia they had rosen giantic stone-structures, - such as the ones on Orkney Island, still standing.

The main characteristics of this culture was:

1. Basic marin food-culture
2. Ship-building
3. Island agriculture
4. Megalittic Constructions
5. Travel and Trade
6. Oceanography and navigation
7. Art, astronomy and academics

Being the only artical population of the North Atlantic these islanders sure qualify to be "specificly adressed" - as an etnic and cultural group. Like their closest neigbours, the Eskimos.

Both Eskimos and their neigbours - called "North-men" have historic and cultural roots. The eskimo from Tibet, the Norse from the Baltics. But from the same origin, - off the original man that tred the earth before we got divided. By the historical ice-time...

If we like to discuss an "Atlantic Kingdom" we better understand that history may have something to do with it.

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THE GRAND PARENTS
Every parent on this globe have discovered something more than gratitude - once they become grandparents. Suddenly one have glimpses of a new understanding - shedding a new ligth on ALL the old facts and functions. Thus we may understand why old people used to speak of their "flowering of joy" - as they witnessed the grand-children succeding in "governing and furthering" our civilsation and culture, our home and family-traditions, keeping all the annual highligths and celebrations - following the great cycle of the Solar year...
In the old north the long, dark and frozen period of the artic winter made it neccesary to stay inside, keeping warm, dry, fed and rested. Thus we may understand why/how a Nordic culture would develop certain preferences for indoor, oral activities. Such as playing, acting, story-telling, singing, resiting, etc.

IGLOO MENTALITY
Then it is not without significance that our bodies, voices and minds are all magnificent instruments of expression, as we express and practice our physical and mental talents. Also called "gifts of nature". In an "igloo-society" the volume of expression had to be tempered, developing rytms, sounds, harmonics that still exist in a broad variety of traditional folksongs all over Eurasia.
Thus we may understand how the North deve

POETICS, ART & ETICS
Communicating with poetry, education and finesse made it possible to deal with an endless world of possible observations, sensations, impressions, compassions, insigths, comprehensions and opinions.

With A clear language, able to express all of this distinctivly and clear, we started to get ways and means to express and keep knowledge "on a collective record". Thus we neccesarily had a first saga, or a proto-type of what we may call "Our History" - with a mythology and language that later diverced into different language-groups, as the world population came to be separated for en eon of time - in order to grow into specific, clearly defined sub-groups, today called "races" or "etnic goups". But still we find very close and basic similarities between the different cultures - in terms of constitution, social behaviour, language, myth, art, building and craftmanship.

A GLOBAL BRAIN - again
We even find clear paralells between the ancient cultures of Meso-America, Europe, Africa, Asia. Like megalittic structures, road-systems, townships, agriculture, playgames, performance and music. Not to forget the characteristic "Bird-Man" and the exactly angled pyramids - of monumental size. All around the globe...


In our generation it has been posible to piece the most vital historic information together - and threat it objectively, - in terms of BOTH religion AND politics. Thus new, withdrawn and hidden information have also been revealed - thanks to the growth of Free speech and modern Science.

Though, we have also to detect a large number of old deceptions - that has been presented as "undisputed truth", even in "The Book of Truth" itself. Ever since the Council of Nikea...
Even among the well-educated of todays academia we find many that refer to political scams as plain, historical "truths". Even when clear proves of simple facts exists. That`s deceptions.

Criminals and illegitimate opressors who succed to gain power always act very causciously after the take-over, to take controll of the media - and write the history according to their personal interests.

Thus the coup-making warloards of Rome were creating a crack in their own culture. Many a great tyrrant had been stabbing his way to the the prior Seats of Power and the respective Halls of Fame. Suddenly there was tyrrants who could issue a "Verdict of Rome" - resulting that the earth could become flat over nigth.

There are a lot of decptions still existing in both biblical as historical litterature. The most advanced and inert deception is worth mentioning, being a "contra-deception" in terms. The principle is as funny as it is impressive; "Have people see, what they understand do not exist."

Just:
1) Claim it does not exist.
2) Claim you owe the truth of it.
3) Conclude it does not exist.

To explain your logic - call it "mere phantasy and fairy-tails". Then reassure you owe the truth of it, anyway. Thats why a "headon figure" like Santa Claus was "explained" - just before 1200 - as the propierty of the Church of Rome. Today Roman Cradinals ban the use of Necklas during Chrisitmas - because of his "headon origin".

That means that the Catolic church of today do not by the explanation from the mideval Church. But here - on the Forum of belearned, modern historians - here I still find the strange old, clerical - and highly biased - view, telling that the ancient, cultural hero - Sant Necklas - ACTUALLY was a good Christian.

"A Bishop actually, from Myrra. Who helped the poor and saved a women from being decaptivated...". Just old politics. Lies, distortions and deceptions - to gain "ownership" to a widely popular hero.
Even todays Roman Cardinals accepts this. Thus they can publish their annual bans on celebrating Santa as a part of Christmas, - explaining the widely accepted opinion - that Santa was a headon figure, connected the pagan "Yule-tide" of Midle-Europe and Scandinavia.

Then it is quite a paradox that academians still may explain Santas historical origin by refereing to "Myrra, Bishop and Turkey".

Old, widespread deceptions may have strong, political roots. The Vatican regime have ruled for centuries - and the impact is still present, even in academic societies of reformed and evangelic countries...

NORM AND NATURE
When norm and nature contradicted each other the old Vatican often labeled nature as the "wrong", "the evil" or "the cause of it". Thus the "up" of Rome came down, "down" was redefined to be "up". Shaping mideval Europe was a "continous development - backwards".

Today we have to re-examine many of out major beliefs - as they may rest on false grounds. A lie doesnt became true by its mere conservation. 200 years or 10.000 years means little or no difference. If the culture keep their celebrations, festivals and holidays - the due songs, ryhmes and speeches were performed, evry year - steady going - for generation to generation. 200 or 2000 - without even a word changing, in either verse, song or play.

As a help when analyzing these and paralell text-sources it may be productive to use a line from the old rennesaince - telling that; "nature" is a premeter to "culture".

Which means we have to study the human conditions with the zest of understanding that the "Normal" not always is "natural". The zest of the rennesaince simpy reminds us that we better skip the norms and the normal, - whenever it is in contradiction with the natural.

ATLANTEAN TIME


Finally we need to point that both our oldest cultures - the Atlantean and the Egyptian - were geared and focused into CONSERVATION. Keeping the Gifts of Nature and the Gifts of Culture - inherited from their most respected Forefathers. Thus we may understand that the Egyptian culture did not have our concept of time, as a motive to move, focus and sweat. They were absolutly not cultivating ACTION or EXPENSION ("development") as such. Thus the Egyptians did not develop a war-culture, and they had no compability when the proffesional warriors of the Persian and Roman Armies marched in.

 
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Late Weichselian and Holocene shore displacement history of the Baltic Sea in Finland
MATTI TIKKANEN AND JUHA OKSANEN
Tikkanen, Matti & Juha Oksanen (2002). Late Weichselian and Holocene shore displacement history of the Baltic Sea in Finland. Fennia 180: 1-2, pp. 000-000. Helsinki. ISSN 0015-0010.
http://www.helsinki.fi/maantiede/geofi/fennia/demo/pages/oksanen.htm

About 62 percent of Finland's current surface area has been covered by the waters of the Baltic basin at some stage. The highest shorelines are located at a present altitude of about 220 metres above sea level in the north and 100 metres above sea level in the south-east.

Around 10,300 BP this ice lake discharged through a number of channels that opened up in central Sweden until it reached the ocean level, marking the beginning of the mildly saline Yoldia Sea stage (10,300-9500 BP). As the connecting channels rose above sea level, however, the Baltic Sea became confined once more, to form the Ancylus Lake (9500-8000 BP).

The ice sheet associated with the Weichselian glaciation, which followed the Eemian interglacial, reached its maximum extent about 18,000-20,000 BP. It was more than three kilometres thick in the area of Finland, so that it depressed the earth's crust to such a degree that a considerable part of the country's present area lay beneath the waters of the Baltic basin immediately after deglaciation. As the burden of the overlying ice was released the crust began to rise rapidly, however, so that it is estimated that the total rise up to the present time has been 600-700 metres on the northern coast of the Gulf of Bothnia, 400-500 metres in the middle part of Finland and in central Lapland, and around 300 metres on the coast of the Gulf of Finland and in northern Lapland (Mörner 1980). The majority of this rise nevertheless took place as the ice was melting, before the ground surface became exposed.


Then, around 11,200 BP, a (possibly subglacial) connection to the west opened up north of Mount Billingen in central Sweden. This remained functional for some 400 years, and allowed the water level in the Baltic to return to that of the outside ocean, presumably implying a decline of 5-10 metres

By the time the Younger Dryas cold phase came to an end, the Second Salpausselkä marginal formation was also in existence, and the sharp warming of the climate around 10,500 BP then caused the ice margin to retreat rapidly (Björck 1995). As a consequence, the Billingen 'gateway' opened up again around 10,300 BP and the waters of the Baltic Ice Lake once more began to discharge into the ocean through central Sweden (Fig. 2B). This dropped the water level in the Baltic basin by 25-28 metres within a few years, regaining the level of the outside ocean.

As the ice margin retreated further, the Närke Strait in the lowlands of central Sweden north of Billingen opened up about 10,000 BP, allowing saline water from the ocean to flow into the Baltic basin (Eronen 1990; Björck 1995)

Ocean levels rose at a rate of more than a metre per century around 10,000 BP, but the water level was still 30 metres below what it is today (Taipale & Saarnisto 1991: 237)

This marked the beginning of the Ancylus transgression, which lasted about 300 years (9500-9200 BP). During this time, the rising water level caused extensive areas of land to be inundated once more, especially on the south coast of the Baltic, where practically no land uplift took place. The water was rising at a rate of 5-10 centimetres a year, and the transgression as a whole is estimated to have been of the order of 15-25 metres (Eronen 1990; Björck 1995).

The rising waters of the Ancylus Lake eventually exceeded the threshold known as the Darss Sill in the south-western part of the Baltic basin and water began to flow out through the Dana River, at the site of the present-day Great Belt (Store Bælt), around 9200 BP (Fig. 2E). This brought the Ancylus transgression to a close and severed the land connection between Sweden and Denmark at the same time. For a time the channels across central Sweden functioned alongside the Dana River, but the rapid regression of the Ancylus Lake, combined with land uplift, soon caused these channels to dry up (Björck 1995).


 
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TRAVELLING WHEELBUROGHS
The ancient connections between the cultures of Eurasia, Egypt and India are doubtless. We just do not know - yet - how and where all the old cultures originated from. Present geological knowledge -explaining a cataclysmic end of the last ice-age, may help clarify the posibile movements of ancient cultures. Knowing that the Scandinavian and the Basques still carry the same genes as did their 10.000 year old forefathers - the first Europeans.

Thus the relation between the Scandinavian and the Basque language should be closer examined. All the more so since a Finnish professor of Egyptology - already in 1936 - concluded an intensive study by a book showing the clear relations between classical Finnish and "Old Egyptian", - an area Prof. Aspenhovi had made his speciale. Before he realized that his desk was covered with old Finnish dialect...

His works show dozens on dozens of related words, - such as house-roof-kitchen, etc, - or head-hand-fingers,toes,legs, etc. Given that his "old Egyptian" is linguistically correct the identical synonomity of words is far beyond accidental. So far it has been viewed as a "incident of syncronicity" by the Finnish collegues. Due to a rather defensive form of modesty they have left the investigation and closed the case.

DEPRIVATION OF HISTORY
Due to a need for quick solutions to difficult questions it is already long-time ago since the Finnish historians concluded that ancient Finnish Kings never did exist. Nor did any cultural connection - to the great civilsations - exist either.

According to the Catolic History of the 12th and 13th century Finland was a dark and murky place, where any good christian could face evil danger and savage people - ommitting sorcery and fraternaising with the devil. Himself...

This old "facts" was originating in the 12th century and re-written in the midst of the 15th century, as in Historica Suecia, 1555. Somehow the Finns still by into that realm. As modern Finnish academia have not found any "authorized documents" that states otherwise, they actually conclude that "there must be something" to the written material.

Some decades ago Finnish academia themmselves concluded that Finland was populated by "smal communities of primitive hunter-gather-culture with no overall, gouvernmental social organisation" - up to the very 12th century. When an English Bishop arrived - backed by some Swedish troopers - to get the province of Finnland into the "heird". Bringing civilisation and culture to the "Fennones".

A MISCONCEPTION
As long as this grave misconception are allowed significance we see old and young historians restrain to investigate historical records or source-material that says otherwise. Such as the Anglo-Saxon Chronichles, the Icelandic and the Norse Sagas. They all refer to Finland as an; "(old) Kingdom". And still the decency of the Finns make them to favour the historical version of their later rulers, the Catolics Swedes.

Might one just reflect that there must have been some intrinsic power and a heavy force behind this mideval deception, as even Finish science is still affected by the Wrath of God, assisted by The Holy Faith of Eternal Truth and the Holy Spirit of Good Behaviour and Admireble Service.

 
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The conclusion made above are rather well-known fats - and conclusions - from the Scandinvian debate and research of the ice-age. The contribution reffered to are adding some valuable facts to this debate, -but some are still left out of due consideration...
One quote;
"Ocean levels rose at a rate of more than a metre per century around 10,000 BP, but the water level was still 30 metres below what it is today (Taipale & Saarnisto 1991: 237)". (endquote)

The estimates applied in the Scandinavian models does not take into accounting that a general rise of the oceanlevels are of the size of 120-160 metres, occuring at the end of ice-time, - all over the globe. Which includes the North Atlantic and the White Sea.

Nor does the geodynamic models of the rises of Scandinavia apply. The land-rise were MUCH faster than 1 cm a year, which is the level measured throughout the 50-ties and 60-ties. Today that rise is down to 0,30 cm a year, - clearly stating that the tectonical rise - after ice-time - is just about to end, - at a tectonical balance in the crust of the northern hemisphere. In the most northern west-coast of Finland - where the ice-cap had its core (optimum of 5 km+). Here the rise is still 1 cm a year -which is more than 3 times the speed of any other area of Scandinavia today.

Thus statistic data as this may be misinforming. According to the geodynamical models of Sweden/Norway the land-rise of the first millenium after ice-time (9.-10.000 BP) is about 150 metres, giving a midle value of 150 cm a year. Instead of 1.

Then there are some quite recent facts - from international geology - that doesnt really apply to the models made to explain the sudden disappearance of the ice-sheet and the artic climate.

Thus we get the explanation that the enormous mass of a 3000 metres thick glacier - larger than Fenno-Scandia, upported by a North-Atlantic glacier from the present Nort Pole covering land and oceans as far as South Greenland and Iceland - should have "melted away".
Which takes time.

The stratigrafical measures says that it all melted away between 11-18.000 years ago, covering the time from 1) Maximum extent, to 2)Minimum extent, as todays reality.
Thus the "Baltic bassin" are supposed to have collected all the melting water - as ice-cold fresh-water, inside an isolated bassin. Consequently we find the next argument - the sudden rise of climate in Scandinavia specifically, - as the reservoir of cold water are bursting, as out of a dam - to connect with the oceans.

Simultaniously our geologists get to strengthen their logic explaination to the sudden slide of "the remaining, regional and local glaciers" - as well as the sudden rise in the regional temperatures.
As all the stored coldwater rushed OUT of the Baltic Ocean.

But, - the studies are far from complete. Even if a sharp rise in the Global Temperature may occur - it is difficult to explain the "sudden shifts" described (above, too) as a mere change in the temperature of the global atmosphere. Heating away a 5000-3000 metres thick ice-CAP, by sun and wind alone? Fully possible, - but not in 6000 years.

We still have some fragments of the large ice-cap existing, as the artic ice, Greenland and some more glaciers. But none of them have melted much (more) - in the LAST 9.000 years.

/Before recently, - as the gulf-stream managed to gnaw it way through the Arctic Ice-cap and reach the North Pole. As the ice-sheet is now broken - even during winter - the Gulfstream is repported to have started whirling around it, before levveling out - to both the Atlantic and the Pacific./

The work refferd above keeps the main-line of the "old" explanation to the swift changes of the last ice-time and its "de-glacification". Thus it also overlooks present archological data - proving human populations to have existed in;

1) Varanger/Alta - Norway, 9.900 BP.
2) Kolan Pennisula, east coast, 13-17.000 years ago.
3) Moscow, 17.000 years ago
4. White Sea and Kara Ocean; 36-40.000 BP
5. SW Finland, 11.000 - 280.000 years ago.

(The recent habitat have been used continously - during all known interglacials - from the last 300.000 years, - including the last one...)

The processes of glaciation and de-glaciation is still far from clear. Present researh still work on a model of it`s largest (definite maximum) extent, as well as the consequences of the end of glacial America and Eurasia. A model of the (still) rising of continents, rising parts of continents and local varations along tectonic meltpoints - are just in the making.

Then we have to relate local, regional and tectonic differences - in the reaction to a vanishing pressure of 3-5000 kilometres thick ice - weighing some 0.91 kg pr cubic centi-litre.

As the tectonic reactionS are understood and measured - we have to relate the real rise of the arctic sea-levels, corrected and controlled by the present data from southern waters, stating a rise of 160 metres. And - mind us - the oceanographic surveys have just started to investigate this question in particular...



 
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News from The European Genome Project;
Disentangling the Effects of Demography and Selection in Human History

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Jason E. Stajich and Matthew W. Hahn

Demographic events affect all genes in a genome, whereas natural selection has only local effects. Using publicly available data from 151 loci sequenced in both European-American and African-American populations, we attempt to distinguish the effects of demography and selection. To analyze large sets of population genetic data such as this one, we introduce "Perlymorphism," a Unix-based suite of analysis tools. Our analyses show that the demographic histories of human populations can account for a large proportion of effects on the level and frequency of variation across the genome. The African-American population shows both a higher level of nucleotide diversity and more negative values of Tajima's D statistic than does a European-American population. Using coalescent simulations, we show that the significantly negative values of the D statistic in African-Americans and the positive values in European-Americans are well explained by relatively simple models of population admixture and bottleneck, respectively. Working within these nonequilibrium frameworks, we are still able to show deviations from neutral expectations at a number of loci, including ABO and TRPV6. In addition, we show that the frequency spectrum of mutations—corrected for levels of polymorphism—is correlated with recombination rate only in European-Americans. These results are consistent with repeated selective sweeps in non-African populations, in agreement with recent reports using microsatellite data
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/ejhg/journal/v13/n2/abs/5201321a.html&dynoptions=doi1106273964

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More repports on the HG;
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n2/index.html
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-------------------- http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/abstract/167/2/867?view=abstract http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/ejhg/journal/v13/n2/full/5201329a.html
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Not to forget the last on the “diversion of the species” – leading up to the origin of the human genome; http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/Dynapage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v433/n7023/abs/nature03211_fs.html


 
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After centuries with strife and destructive warfare we nay recognize that the historical memory of the Mediterrnean cultures got weakened and confused, and finally destroyed.
The clear memory of our ancient origin got lost - effecting a fundamental change in the review of our past cultures. As a quick way out we find inadequate, simple exaggerations, creating super-real memories of "the good old". Simultaniously the giantic and extraordinary started to gain ground in the socio-political circles - to explain and legimitate major changes of laws, traditions, constitutions and legal rigths. Finally the constitution of Rome became more and more super-natural, affecting all societies in - and around the Roman Empire.

Thus the "religious realm" came to be a political entity - and finally an all-compassing guide-line to the entire Eurasia. As "Men of God" siezed power, the old (royal) rulers - and their entire staff - became "headon gods" or "demi-gods".

Today the phrase "God" is an immediate, automatic "hyper-linking" before the names of the old Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek or Norse panteons. The "religious realm" are explaining the "omnipotent" ideologies we have seen come and go - up until our time. Today we have dictators that even turn on their very origin, - expelling religion, - as such. To favour another, more updated "relegare", today cathegorized as Anarchism, Communism, Nazism, etc.

The massive and wide impact of our religious history sure explains the need and value of a spititual and social philosophy. But, - as we all know to well already - the "religious realm" also include a socio-political side, - that tend to command rather than observe; dictate, rather than govern; use, rather than relate. To get, rather than give.
The history behind our major religions all show that their main object is cultural "dominion" - controlling the major premises of our cultural philosophy, consequently determining political and economical issue. Today we see the religion still used "for higher purposes" - as it still may serve perfectly, as "explanation" to the evil necessary to commit, "to kill the evil".

When the spiritual, cultural and political order merge we have the "religious realm".
Thus we may understand the nature of our "ideological religions" (Defining rather than Explaining, - concluding by Commandments and Punishment, rather than Understanding and Excitement. Shaping the entire philosophy a political tool.)
Rele-gare still means "Mass-movement" as in "Shift" or "Change". In a neo-latin context that implies the One Thing Making (initiating) this Shift, - making the mass movement. Which may translate into both "Device" and "Purpose". Not to say "ways and means". Thus we get the inferior philosophy, - degrading to the story of ONE Book, as an "all-encompassing" devise, - rather than a purpose in itself - of subjective knowledge and objective debate.

As the spiritual and social words are given pathos the device will be working. Especially when backed by political authority and economical resources. But nothing beats the effectiveness of marching soldiers. Followed by a growing number of The Book - and the pathos of its clerics. If we go closer into it we may adress the cultural shift that actually happened - as the writing-culture becomes "existential" - in terms of "keeping knowledge and understanding". And not "only" mere information, data, statistics.
In the old monarchies they had clerics who took care of the books - for all the wisemen and the fools, alike. Thus we know the classic "Sinhue - The Egyptian", - by Mika Waltari - a historic novel describing Egypt from the period of the famous "Writer", - a sculpture from ancient Egypt, today on display at Brittish Museum, London. Today we may recognize a LONG and STABLE period in our Eurasian history. In the artic area we know that the first settlers started to spread some 10.000 years ago.

If we limit the view to the arctic area we see the first decisive traces of "military equipment or actions" occuring 2.500 years ago - in the very south-east of France, in the border-area. But suddenly - some 2.200 years ago - an enormous army appeared - marching straight through France and England. Conquering, distorting and destroying the classical "Celtic and English cultures". Genetically - since all women had to beget the blessings of their Roman Victors.

Thus we got the first latino lovers and blonde babes, exercising "romantic love" -already as kids play. Add the arising affection of unknown and forbidden passion -and we have screenplays of Romance, - from Shakespeare onwards. Here "Romantic Love" appears as a reminiscence from "the good old days", when flirt and sex was part of the conquistadors way to "enjoy their tributes". Instituting cross-cultural families and cross-racial mating - at the end of an etnic war. In Shakespeares play the "civil resistance" of the families involved focus on the issue of romance and etnicity. During the Catholic period all sexual contact "outside marriage" was defined as "Wild". To save the "Romantic problem" from becoming a social problem - as children of 15 started getting children, giving uncontrollable rises in populations.


Thus the Catholic Church implemented the taboo - "Sex is Evil." Solving the problem "once and for all". Old Roman-tic love became a water-hole of emotional experience, education and growth. And it became a chilling protest, signifying opposition towards the rigid earthly regime of the religious Roman Landlords.
During catholic time we could see stupidity at its worst - in the hands of a political regime. All sexual affection and passion became banned. In a short while we had clerics and politicans showing great affections for the ban, passionately dedicated to serve the Divine - by harder investigations, sanctions and prosecutions -of the libidly poisoned and “possessed”.

The revised ideology required that all our physical and emotional pleasures a "gift of God" and thus "belonged to God", ministered by his servants - and their clerical masters. Who may - or may not - further His blessings to "Anyone chosen to The Joys of Good" - and ALLOW someone to "enter the sacred matrimony".

After the reformation Shakespeare was allowed to shed light on "Anglo-Romantic Love"; using a reminiscence from "the good old days" to provoke debate, reflecting on the effects of "Roman time", - when flirt and sex was part of the conquistadors way to "enjoy their tributes". This "landslide" in the Gallic civilisations - sa in the Greek and Egyptian before - the emperial practice of etnic cleansing - created biological scars of a warfare and brute force, as the basis for the cross-racial. (Oposite the life-principle of the Atlanteans - who initiated the "agenda" of cross-cultural trade and genetic exchange.)
Thanks to centuries of "civil resistance" towards the Roman ethni-fication of the entire arctic culture - as genome, language, culture survived. In our own land, - where our true roots still exists. In all senses of the word. Even undercover.
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If you are able to see the poetic reality of the rustic Meadowlands you may understand that "God" - never existed as an entity. If we use the term "Our Creator" - we may understand that our human origin dwell in the evolution of this Globe. Channelling through the emergence of life - in forms and ways we start to recognize. At the end of a 450 year cultural and scientific re-constitution.
Today we know enough to see the wonders and the magic of nature as it is. Without the religious terms still connected to the "social sciences" where "religion" is placed in a faculty by itself. And thereby refered to as a "realm" of "reality".

To understand the "Greek, Roman or Norse Gods" you have to see "God" as the old norse word "Gode". A "Gode" is a title given within the old Norse aristocracies - as a constitutional function and position of public service. The King himself as "Head-God"; "Hovgode". Thus all in his closest family - each being part of the constitution, may also be serving as "Gode".

Thus we find Jupiter and his family, - reflecting the same Panteon as the Greek culture, who had the exact same structure. The Hindi and Aino myths shows the same circle of "Head-Gods", - which correlates very well with the Finnish Kalevala and the Norse Edda. Which are rimarily telling that both Japanese, Indians, Finns and Scandinavians have a cultural deeply rooted relation, - in terms of CULTURAL history. If we may change the word "God" - with "Ancestors" - including all their expressed wisdom - we may explain the "incredible creation story" - without the "Hyper-energetic entity of miracelous Super-Nature", who knows all, sees all, knows all, actually had created it all - from eternity to rule forever. (Puha...)

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One verse from the Norse Hryminnesmal gives one line explaining the beginning of the "first age". The saga of the Boxstrom-faimily gives an extensive, logical and very scientific description of time origin, - as it explains the background, the location, the circumstance and the consequence of how the first man and woman came into existence.

For the first time ever do we see a myth that progressively describes historical processes, - while it explain the logic of the different phases and effects of the process. Thus I may close by a question - what happened to the Bible if we forget "God" and exchange "him" with "Adam"? And what happens if we demote Jupiter and Zeus from the "magical realm" and give them their historical presence - as well as their breath back?! The Asers have their own myth of origin, calling it

The Saga of The Ring, - dating their origin back before Ice-time. Explaining its occurrence, as well as its effects, - such as the arctic climate, the entire arctic nature, as well as the arctic human being, AND its culture.

Well, present geology states that the ice-time was here already 35 million years ago. 29 million years MORE than the public estimate less than 10 years back. 20 years back Ice-time was assumed to had been "coming and going" for 600.000 years, - some colleges pushing the time-line to 1,8 million years. At that time, in 1985, the Bock-Saga was revealed - saying that ice-time lasted for 50 million years, before ending 10.000 years ago.

Only one line of Norse myth deals about our very first origin - as human beings. But we have the first five verses of the great epic Voluspaa - describing the origin of the North-Atlantic population - as a branch from the Aser who survived 50 million years of ice-time, as they escaped to "Noatun" (ref. Voluspaa). Rising solid, arctic sons and daughters on his "New Yard", Noa, "The Newer" was able to send 10 of his sons to all corners of the world - greeting from the King of The North Pole, successor of the first speaking monkeys, Frei and Freia, who named themselves "As-r".

Managing to survive on Noa-tun, the Aser could reach the tropics and explain the destiny of Alt-land-is, - as the envoys managed to reach the 10 tropical Kingdoms. The Aser was known as the very first of all royal families - not only to the Norse Kings but also to all tropical Royals.
The existence and impact of the Aser are still respected in all major mythologies. Still they all refer their ethnic and cultural origin to the "Top of the Globe", i.e. the North Pole Area. Professor W. Warren, President of Boston University, explained this in detail already 107 years ago.
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Atlantic Time-line
Because the Northern cultures can be traced back to a "point zero" it is possible to assess ALL archeological data on one time-line, where a definite 0-point is completly clear - as we get 10.000 years back in time. Present geology (US/England/Norway 2002)actually points to 10.300 BP as the last date of existence of the Scandinavian Glacier. And still the next date; 9.900 BP identifying the abscence of the Glacier, - still stands...
The growing consensus within geological circles are stating that the process of disappearance have been VERY fast. Excluding "melting" - and thereby "climate-change" as a main-factor to explain the end of the Eurasian/American ice-time. Mass-movement have MUCH more to do with, - correlating the present discoveries within the ocean, - presenting wide profs of a sudden rise in the Ocean Level, "some 8.700-11.000 years" ago.
Hundreds of islands in the North Atlantic Seas were populated after ice-time. From arctic people - from the west-coast Europe. The only reasonable logic from all known facts about this populations tell of a arctic sea-culture evolving out of the Scandinavian area. Thus North-Way become the trade mark of the land, where the large ocean-current ("Gulf-stream") reach the 62-65 degree North. In this area experienced sailor could turn west - and head into the larger realm of the Atlantic. With good wind, a straight ship - and "16 men behind oars" they could cross the Gulf-drift (3 knots here) and reach Iceland in less than 48 hours...
Then we have the atlantic island-jumping; populating The Orkney islands, The Feroe Islands and South-WEST Greenland. Before returning back home - to Norway?! Maybe, - but only in the initial phase. Turning around and sailing straight back towards Feroe islands is another matter thou. Then You may wait for months, to get SOME wind, - blowing SOUTH and east. Which (today) normally appears in the period January-March. When the worst winter is deep frozen and completly dark...
Thus the way further west, - following the southwards stream became apparent. Finding the "sources" of the eastward stream, - reaching the British Isles and Europe. Which they really DID. We have proves of a stranded Scandinavian "Viking-ship" found in Haiti (1974), carbon-dated at just about the year 1000 (AD). If we pull Indian, Norse and Mediterranean history and legend together - we may understand that the archaeological evidences - such as the pre-columbian mining in Michigan - is ONE of the many memories still existing - of the culture that Plato called Atlantis.
Its 2005 and about time to take our very own eyes, ears and senses seriously. Even if we are educated. A large amount of pre-conceived knowledge have shown to contain a large amount of "errors" to. As we discover that some "errors" of the history-book are based on fraud or deception we may feel strange about some of these things. Thus we need brush our small greys and look again - with fresh eyes. All real research build on that.

Hundreds of islands in the North Atlantic Seas were populated after ice-time. From arctic people - from the west-coast Europe.
The only reasonable logic from all known facts about this populations tell of a arctic sea-culture evolving out of the Scandinavian area. Thus the North-Way become the trade mark of the land, where the large ocean-current ("Gulf-stream") reach the 70 degree North.
In this area experienced sailor could turn west - and head into the larger realm of the Atlantic. With good wind, a straight ship - and "16 men behind oars" they could cross the Gulf-drift (3 knots here) and reach Iceland in less than 48 hours...
Then we have the Atlantic island-jumping; populating The Orkney islands, The Feroe Islands and South-WEST Greenland. Before returning back home - to Norway?!
Turning around and sailing straight back towards Feroe islands is another matter thou. Then You may wait for months, to get SOME wind, - blowing SOUTH and east. Which (today) normally appears in the period January-March. When the worst winter is deep forzen and completely dark...
Thus the way further west, - following the southwards stream became apparent. Finding the "sources" of the eastward stream, - reaching the British Isles and Europe. Which they really DID. We have proves of a stranded Scandinavian "Viking-ship" found in Haiti (1974), carbon-dated at just about the year 1000 (AD). Though - 30 years ago this found was not accepted as "significant" - since it did not fit the present "opinion" of the authoritative historians.

The findings of New Foundland 1962 was still not accepted. First after the Colombus jubilee (1992) did the "Norse discoverer Leif Eriksson" become "comme-il-faut" within broader academic circles. In 1995 Heyerdahl started a survey on the earliest sources of information about the Norse connections to Greenland-America. Based on the works of Kare Prydz it is clear that the Norse sailors of the old North was covering all the North Atlantic, - from a capitol city in the Trondheim area. The sailing-route went from Mid-Norway, via Greenland to Chesapeake Bay, or further, - from where they could hit the Ocean current, - all the way to Ireland.
Thus Dublin and Isle of Man was so important to the old Norwegian Sea-Kingdom. It completed the entire circle, being the "magical" ROUND-TRIP of the North Atlantic.
In 1999 Heyerdahl made another important precision. The collected source-material does NOT say that Leif Eriksson discovered Amerika. They says that he LIVED there, - as part of a widespread culture that reached all the way down to Virginia. Governing from Greenland - where his father, - the royal Erik ruled, - from the royal seat of "Brattalid". It is even reported that father Erik was most unhappy that his son Leif had brought the first "black-men" (priests) with him - back from the annual meeting at the Royal Palace in Trondheim, Norway.
The meeting in question happened 995 or 996, just as the first Roman collaborator amongst the Norwegian nobility had made a coup-de-etat, - starting a "Christianization" of all Norwegian cities. Thus the regional chiefs, Leiv included, had to bring priests with them home, build them churches and get the population to arrive there - giving 10 % of their income for their "salvation".
Backed by Vatican annals it is obvious that Leiv Eriksson did not discover America. But he was the one taking the first German-Roman clerics there, - as "missionaries" to the local populations.
The updates on the political changes of Northern Europe - during the period 800-1100 (AD), - shows that there already existed sailing-routes to America, that was PART of the old Norwgian kingdom. The sagas refer to TWO kings, one ruling the North Sea - from the Bay of Oslo,- while the other ruled the North Atlantic. Thus they are consequently referred - in different sources - as "Sea-kings". Their population, culture and "regime" was spread "over an enormous area - over seas". Their possessions were not land, but overseas areas.
A third centre of sea-fare and trade was build by Gota River, where today lays Goten-bourough. Today Gotenborough is part of Sweden - but still it is the capitol city of Western Gotaland. Eastern Gotaland streches to Got-land itself. The old law-books of this two "lands" still exist. Connected to this mideval laws of the Goter, there exist a small "Myth of Origin", stating that "We all come from Gotland (the island)". The expression "We all" is referring to all Gotic branches,- from where also the Norwegian Sea-Kings - and their produce; the Norwegians, - are descending.

 
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Thus we may understand that even old Swedish law-books are pointing to a common origin of the Scandinavian peoples - placed on Gotland. Law-books from western Norway also shows that the Norwegian (Gotic) Kingline, governed Greenland, as well as Markland, Ildland, Helluland, Vineland and other districts of today US east-coast.
Later the climatic "minimum" - peaking 1350-55 - weakened the entire population of Northern Europe. In Scandinavia MORE than 75% of the population died - and the connections with Greenland difficult. A Papal letter of 1352 tell that the Norse populations in Greenland and America had died out - or "fallen from the rigth belief and moved west - to the savage". By 1372 gun-ships extinguished the last, defenceless Norsemen on Greenland. The "savages" to the west - Norse villages - was ransacked and the people taken slaves, - starting a trade that made Portuguese geographers name the area "Labradores". Though the old Norse Sea-Kingdom was broken down, - and the parts "eaten" by the new rulers; the Portuguese and Spanish sailors of The Holy Cross. Thus the entire history of the "island empire" of the North Atlantic became erased - to make way for the New Lords to discover America, - and instignate the "New Time" also there, - in "The New World".
In other words - the unknown part of Eur-American connections and history - is still bigger than the known parts. But we DO know that practical issues created a curiousity for the land in the west - and its southern shores. First time already some 7-9000 years ago. We just do not know exactly when, yet. But at last the American archaeologists have started to accept the fact that they are Scientists, - and not social behaviourists, intellectual opinionists or contra-productive hypo-critics. Denying and supressing "alternative opinions" are one thing, overlooking facts another. Making a fool out of yourself in a different thing. Making a fool out of us all quite another. Especially when their bread is paid by all of us common taxpayers.

The rest of us may play around as we like, - as many posts on this site shows. But also the ones genuinly interested in the legends of Atlantis, - as myth, legend and reality - may have to re-consider the framework of their investigations, since the historical Atlantean culture appeared - populating all Islands - from Greenland to Tenerife - after ice-time. The remains of that peculiar sea-culture still exists - in the boat and ship-culture we find in some rural areas of the North-Atlantean islands. But the conscious connections to the pre-Atlantean culture have vanished, - except from the puzzling - obviously FRAGMENTED - legends that still exist.
If we pull Indian, Norse and Mediterranean legends together we may understand that the archaeological evidences - such as the pre-Columbian mining in Michigan - is ONE of many remnants of the same culture that Plato called Atlantis.


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Boreas, how could a group of homo sapians be living 80,000 years ago in Finland, when 70,000 years ago there were only 5 to 10 thousand people living on the earth from a mass extinction from the Toba eruption.
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The ensuing cold millennium
which killed almost all Hss (estimate of 10,000 left)
This was right at a minimum temperture of about 7 degrees C below current temperature.
The eruption took the temperature down to about 9 degrees C below current temperature for about 1000 years.


 
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