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INTERNATIONAL MILOS CONFERENCE 2005 :ATLANTIS (Ulf Richter)

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« on: March 29, 2008, 09:39:20 pm »

This is a thread I never read but I thought would be invaluable here: Ulf's observations of the 2005 Milos Conference, which he attended shortly before he died. 

God Bless, Ulf

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 09:41:19 pm »

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The International Conference : THE ATLANTIS HYPOTHESIS: Searching for a Lost Land
took place 11 - 13 july 2005 in the "Milos Conference Center - George Eliopoulos" on the Greek island of Milos.

There were 105 participants from 15 nations, 42 of them coming from universities or scientific research institutes. Specialists in the field of archaeology, geology, volcanology, seismology, oceanography, history, philosophy presented and substantiated their views regarding the Atlantis enigma.

The abstracts of most of the presented papers can be found in:
http://milos.conferences.gr/index.php?id=2851&L=0

The book with the Conference Proceedings will be puplished within a few months and, according to the conference center, will the be available at the electronic book shop www.conferences.gr


As participant in this conference I found it encouraging that so many university professors have dealt with the Atlantis topic and have brought it to a real scientific discussion level.

From our "Atlantis Rising" forum were present: Erick Wright, Christian Schoppe, Ulf Richter. Jonas Bergman was unable to attend in the last moment, and I read his announced paper for him.

With Erick I agreed after the conference, that we should inform this forum about the results of the conference and our impressions. Erick as native English speaker promised to do the greater part, but he prolonged his stay in Greece and will come home next week. I think we should combine the informations and discussions in this new thread.

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 09:41:57 pm »

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Welcome back from Greece Ulf:)hope you have a good time. I also find it encouraging that many university professors have now dealt with the Atlantis topic and have brought it to a real scientific discussion level.

Was Georgous Daiz`s hypothesis, and discoveries ever mention?

If we want to really believe Plato`s description of the city of Atlantis we`d have to these find deep canals, not just small and large concentric circles, that are found everywhere such as this one in Russia, which makes your theory a little more tested.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/15814_Arkaim.html


How did Erick theory go, there is no Atlantis, anyone throw stones? 
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A science emposium, in Greece, about Atlantis. I am sooooo envious! :-) Greece is my geographical love, second only to Montana, and therefore I have already been to Santorini mutiple times and even have an entire wall of my home done in a photo-mural of the island that I look out over everyday. I am also a geologist and have only recently realized that many really obvious signs in my life seem to be pointing me in the direction of studying Atlantis. However, I am a newbie on this subject, and so the jargon in the posted links is a bit over my head. So, I thought I would ask you guys in this forum - -

What books do you all recommend to get me up to speed studying about Atlantis???

I am impelled and interested to know all I can, but need a foundation of terminology to catch up! Help! :-)
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 09:43:01 pm »

 
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Mish,

In Smiley´s thread I have posted Plato´s dialogues about Atlantis, which are the first and nearly the only historical sources about the sunken state of Atlantis:

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000953;p=6

Read it first of all and get your own picture, before you go over to other literature.

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Ulf - Danke. :-) I am planning to print & read it over breakfast this morning, Thanks a lot for the link on where to get started!!
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2008, 09:43:56 pm »

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docyabut,

Georgeos could not come, and he did not send any paper, so his theory was not represented at the conference. Werner Wickboldt brought satellite photos which showed ring shaped structures in the Guadalquivier delta in southern Spain. See the abstracts nr.7. Also some Greek authors didn´t exclude that Atlantis was near Cadiz/Spain. Mr. Collina-Girard brought his theory about Atlantis in the strait of Gibraltar (nr.21), and Marc Gutscher supported him with a geological analysis of the Bay of Cadiz and the straits of Gibraltar(nr.28).

Your link to the Russian circular city of ancient Indo-Aryan origin is very interesting indeed. I think we will hear more about it, and also rockessence and Boreas would be very much like this stuff.

Erick didn´t bring his theory, that there was no Atlantis, but his studies about synonymous words in Egyptian hieroglyphic language and Greek language (see abstracts nr.11), which were recognized by Greek professors with interest. I think when he is back he can write more about
this himself, and also what he is thinking about the existence of Atlantis, now.

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Ulf,

I will enjoy following the info on the Milos Conference as it comes forth!

I think that it may be discovered that there are many more ancient cities/places with the circular footprint discovered in the future. It is possible there will eventually be more confusion rather than less in trying to nail this down.

It so great to see that greater communication is rising in this huge subject. It is really wonderful to be a part of this discussion.

By the way, I remember when I was a kid I heard my dad say "Venus de Milos" (mee-los) and I remember wondering "HUH??"

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 09:45:49 pm »

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Author: Hylke Akkerman (129.125.47.---)
Date: 19-Jul-05 09:23

Last week was the International conference on Atlantis at the Island of Milos in Greece.

I had a great holiday travelling around in Greece. Coincidentally the conference was in the middle of my planned holiday so I could visit this one also. The people of the conference were academics, specialist in different fields and just interested people.

I really like the conference. The report at the News Desk of this site, that Atlantis was in the south of spain, according to satellite images, was also given at the conference. I thought this was one of the "not-so-good" talks. Basically you can't see anything on the photos, but after applying several kinds of digital color filters, some characteristics becamoe visible. Well...they used the wrong software for these techniques to reult in something valid.

The talks were sometimes in Greek, with Greek slides. This was really bad for an international conference. Also too bad that more "controversial" submitted talks were not accepted, while a guy from Athens (one of the organizers) got numerous talks about mythology. Too bad.

But most of the talks were awesome. About geology, catastrophes and the story ofcourse. Something like ten locations were offered as a location of Atlantis but nothing really conclusive.

So in the end, no one knows where Atlantis is, but most were quite in agreement that it hasn't been found yet, contrary to the zillion reports of Atlantis findings last couple of years on the internet.

All the best,
Hylke

ps1. The new lay-out of the website is really nice with the pictures at the news items.

ps2. Did you guys check out this awesome software? (maybe posted before)
http://earth.google.com/

ps3. If you get the opportunity to visit the Greek Islands and/or the Greek mainland, do not hestitate.

ps4. A really nice article about new time travel possibilities appeared in the Physics Review Letters, 95, p. 021101, 2005
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 09:46:24 pm »

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rockessence,

yes, we saw a copy of the "Venus de Milo" in the archaeological museum of Milos in Plaka. The original was found in 1820 by a peasant in a cave and sold to the French consul in Constantinople, who presented it to the king of France. Now it is exposed in the "Louvre" in Paris. http://cc.oulu.fi/~yseppa/pages/page1_1.html

But Milos is also famous since the neolithic time, because there were the only obsidian mines in the eastern Mediterranean, and the island was in prehistoric times a center for the obsidian trade. We saw the neolithic city of Filakopi, with its obsidian workshops, where still today millions of small cut off obsidian fragments could be seen.

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Riven,

I met Hylke Akkerman in Milos. Where did you get his post?

Frank Joseph, an American journalist, gave a lecture in form of a video, because he could not attend. He had the same opinion which I found in your posts, that the central city of Atlantis was at the Horseshoe Abyssal Plain, outside the Pillars of Heracles in the Atlantic Ocean. The geologists I asked about this possibility denied violently, that within the last 20000 years in this area an island could have sunken down to such a depth.

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I do find Erick `s studies about synonymous words in Egyptian hieroglyphic language and Greek language interesting.There could very well have been a city that sank and Solon using synonymous words together that yielded a story.
Georgous Diaz in studying the languages before came up with some pretty good tranlations. Do you know if his book is out yet and in english?
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Ulf:

I found his post in the grahamhancock (oddfellows) forum. The Geologists don't have a clue as to what they're talking about,they are like parrots repeating the results of each others research. The seamounts still remain to this day. Part of the reason for the sinking of Atlantis was the underwater current from the straites 1000 metres below their canal and city slowly eroding the land beneath them.

Parts of Atlantis fell into the Horseshoe Abyssal plain 5000 metres below from the Torre,Dragon,Josephine,Gettsyburg,Ormonde Seamounts that once formed their nation.

People seem to forget that unlike tidal waves, Tsunamis move the entire ocean from top to bottom clearing anything in it's path. It is also not just the ocean floor that we have to search,but also below the ocean floor as well which buried evidence with the fallen landmass also.
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In the website of the Milos Conference you can find under "press releases" a summary of the Conference:


Atlantis: If, when and where?


Scientists and researchers from 15 countries gathered on Milos Island from 11th to 13th July in order to exchange their ideas and opinions about Atlantis. During the Conference “The Atlantis Hypothesis – Searching for a Lost Land”, specialists in the field of archaeology, geology, volcanology and other sciences presented and substantiated their views regarding the place where Atlantis existed, the time when it was destroyed and the causes of its destruction, whilst a number of people expressed their doubts as to whether it actually existed.


Based on the accounts of Plato, the conference participants agreed on the following 24 criteria, which a geographical area must satisfy in order to qualify as a site where Atlantis could have existed:

1. The Metropolis of Atlantis should have been located where an island used to be and where parts of it may still exist.
2. The Metropolis of Atlantis should have had a most distinct geomorphology composed of alternating concentric rings of land and water.
3. The Atlantis should have been located outside the Pillars of Hercules.
4. The Metropolis of Atlantis was greater than Libya and Anatolia and Middle East and Sinai (combined).
5. Atlantis must have sheltered a literate population with metallurgical and navigational skills.
6. The Metropolis of Atlantis should have been routinely reachable from Athens by sea.
7. At the time, Atlantis should have been at war with Athens.
8. The Metropolis of Athens must have suffered a devastating physical destruction of unprecedented proportions.
9. The Metropolis of Atlantis should have sunk entirely or partly below the water.
10. The Metropolis of Atlantis was destroyed 9000 Egyptian years before the 6th century B.C.
11. The part of Atlantis was 50 stadia (7,5 km) from the city.
12. Atlantis had a high population density, enough to support a large army (10,000 chariots, 1,200 ships, 1,200,000 hoplites)
13. The region of Atlantis involved the sacrifice of bulls.
14. The destruction of Atlantis was accompanied by an earthquake.
15. After the destruction of Atlantis, the passage of ships was blocked.
16. Elephants were present in Atlantis.
17. No physically or geologically impossible processes were involved in the destruction of Atlantis.
18. Hot and cold springs, with mineral deposits, were present in Atlantis.
19. Atlantis lay on a coastal plain 2000 X 3000 stadia surrounded by mountains falling into the sea.
20. Atlantis controlled other states of the period.
21. Winds in Atlantis came from the north (only in Northern hemisphere)
22. The rocks in Atlantis were of various colors: black, white, and red.
23. There were canals for irrigation in Atlantis.
24. Every 5th and 6th year, they sacrificed bulls.


In response to the above criteria, some views doubting the existence of Atlantis were also presented. The main representative of such doubt was Professor Christos Doumas, Director of Akrotiri Excavations in Santorini and member of the Scientific Committee of the Conference, who supported the theory that the existence of Atlantis is a myth and its pursuit a utopia.


“The same conference will be organised again in three years in order to establish what progress has been made in research about the Lost Land and it will probably be then that the scientific community will be ready to bring to light the secret of Atlantis”, stated Mr. Kostas Konstantinidis, Managing Director of Heliotopos Conferences, who also had the original idea of the conference.


The Atlantis Book Exhibition that took place alongside the conference was of particular interest. During the exhibition 50 books and magazines about the Lost Atlantis, Greek and foreign, old and new publications, were presented. The book exhibition was coordinated by Mr. Manolis Lignos, founder of the Folklore Museum of Santorini.


The conference was organised within the framework of Milos Conferences and was supported by the Milos Conference Centre and S&B Industrial Minerals S.A.


The eagerly awaited Conference Proceedings will include all of the presentations and will be the first book about Atlantis to contain such a wide range of views and approaches to the Atlantis hypothesis. The book will be published within a few months and will be available at the electronic bookshop at www.conferences.gr


Photographs in high resolution (300 dpi):

1. View of the audience in the hall of the Milos Conference Centre - George Eliopoulos.


2. Mr Kukal, Mr Tsikalas, Mr Papamarinopoulos, Mr Fytikas, Mr Richter and Mr McMcoy during the round table discussion entitled "What is the physical identity of the capital of Atlantis".
Click here to download the photo in high resolution.

3. Professor Christos Doumas, during his subversive presentation, receiving comments from Professor Stavros Papamarinopoulos.


Last update: 19 July 2005


The 24 points were set up at the evening of the second conference day, when everybody was tired and a lot of the participants had already left. Prof. Kontaratos had postulated in his lecture the first 10 points, and it was not possible in the short discussion (the buses for the conference dinner were waiting) to change them, in spite some opposition came especially to the points 1, 4 and 10. In point 10 could only the word "year" be changed into "Egyptean year", whatever this may mean (eventually moon years?).
The other 14 points came from the audience as undisputed statements from Plato´s texts.

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All I read of this conference is we are back to square one, did Atlantis ever excist? 
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