Message #73157

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Smiley4554

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Member # 332

  posted 01-25-2005 10:11 AM                   
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Thanks, Tom.
Absonite: You are the first to point out that the names of the oceans were not what we call them today, but say that the Mediterranean was no harbor based upon what it appears today.


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the Atlantic Ocean (or simply "Ocean") of the ancients of the times of Plato, Herodotus, Aristotle and others was the whole of the earth encircling ocean.

This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean;


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This description is distinctly separating 2 completely different bodies of water ... i.e. the Atlantic Ocean and the "true ocean" beyond which would be the ocean that you are speaking about.

But, it is quite clear that they are 2 distinctly different bodies of water, and the ancients knew the difference.

Also, in this passage, the location is clear. An island was

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an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles
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, and this distinctly locates Atlantis in front of the open mouth of the Mediterranean Sea.

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You think the Mediterranean is just a harbor? Try swimming it sometime.
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You are "assuming" that the Mediterranean has always been as it is now, but it hasn't. There was a time when a whole lot more land was above the Mediterranean Sea's level. So, if we put it into perspective, at one time, the Mediterranean could have been what they would have called a "harbor".

Why do you think that they find so many submerged cities?


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Who called it a harbor?
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This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which you call the Columns of Heracles: the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from the islands you might pass through the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbor, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a continent.
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If you note, he said specifically

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for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbor, having a narrow entrance,
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So, yes, he did say that the Mediterranean Sea was a "harbour", but he also was comparing & distinguishing it from the Atlantic Ocean so that no one would get the 2 confused with each other. Whether or not he meant it as such is another matter.


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