Do the Germans and the Jewish people have the same forefathers????

[sevens]

Yes, I think so!

There seems to be a distant common blood connection with the German people and the forefathers of the Abraham and the Jewish people.

                 

8. THE DANUBIAN ANDONITES

The Andite peoples of   the Euphrates valley migrated north to Europe  to mingle with the blue men and west into the Mediterranean regions to mix with the remnants of the commingled Saharans and the southern blue men. And these two branches of the white race were, and   now are, widely separated by the broad-headed mountain survivors of the earlier Andonite tribes which had long inhabited these central regions. 

These descendants of Andon were dispersed through most of the mountainous regions of central and southeastern Europe.   They were often reinforced by arrivals from Asia Minor,   which region they occupied in considerable strength.    The ancient Hittites stemmed directly from the Andonite stock;  their pale skins and broad heads were typical of that race.   This strain was carried in   Abraham's ancestry    and contributed much to the characteristic facial appearance of his later Jewish descendants who, while having a culture and religion derived from the Andites, spoke a very different language.

and this part

     

The tribes that dwelt in houses erected on piles or log piers over the lakes of Italy, Switzerland, and southern Europe were the expanding fringes of the African, Aegean, and, more especially, the Danubian migrations.

   The Danubians were Andonites  , farmers and herders who had entered Europe   through the Balkan peninsula and were moving slowly northward by way of the Danube valley.  They made pottery and tilled the land, preferring to live in the valleys.   The most northerly settlement of the Danubians was at Liege in Belgium.  These tribes deteriorated rapidly as they moved away from the center and source of their culture. The best pottery is the product of the earlier settlements. 

which connects the Germans with the Danubians and this part which connects the current Germans to the Same Danubian heritage, the same as Abraham back to the Euphrates valley.

               

The primitive culture of Europe, which was encountered by the invading Nordics, was that of the retrograding Danubians blended with the blue man. The Nordic-Danish and the     Danubian-Andonite    cultures met and mingled on the Rhine as is witnessed   by the existence of two racial groups in   Germany today  .

So there you have it the German and the Jews are connected by the Distant Danubian Andonite Hittite the same forefathers as Abraham from the Euphrates Valley where the Andites lived and no doubt the Hittites and the Andonite Danubians had some traces of Adamic and Nodite Gene within them to.  This is the first time this connection has been made.

I gotta laugh at all the racism when in actual fact these people, the Germans and the Israelis are the same blood line or blood kin of the same distant Andonite Hittite Danubian blood line!  What was all that WW2 holocaust all about considering they are brothers both from the Andonite/Hittite/Danubian gene pool and when they migrated they became the Danubian Andonite peoples that eventually populated the Rhine Valley Germany. The same Stock that connects with Abraham Descendants, The Hebrews, the Jews in bloodline many thousands of years back during the Andite years in the Euphrates Valley.

Unbelievable!  Both peoples which are the same bloodline come from the Euphrates Valley.

Now found! in the Urantia Book

Would the characteristic be like dark hair brown eyes... or "pale skins and broad heads" dont now, maybe?

The family connection of the Germans and the Jews.  They come from the same distant family gene pool.


ahahahah I have to laugh at that, I find that completely ironic! considering the past of what one brother did to another which is one of regret.

  UB link 

and here is the linage of Abraham through the Father of Jesus.

 

The ancestry of the father of Jesus went back to   the days of Abraham  and through this venerable patriarch to the earlier lines of inheritance leading   to the Sumerians and Nodites  and, through   the southern tribes of the ancient blue man  , to   Andon and Fonta.   

Interesting Gene Pool

And here something about Marys Gene pool and where it leads to.

   

Mary, the earth mother of Jesus, was a descendant of a long line of unique ancestors embracing many of the most remarkable women in the racial history of Urantia. Although Mary was an average woman of her day and generation, possessing a fairly normal temperament, she reckoned among her ancestors such well-known women as   Annon, Tamar, Ruth, Bathsheba, Ansie, Cloa, Eve, Enta, and Ratta.  No Jewish woman of that day had a more illustrious lineage of common progenitors or one extending back to more auspicious beginnings. Mary's ancestry, like Joseph's, was characterized by the predominance of strong but average individuals,   relieved now and then by numerous outstanding personalities in the march of civilization and the progressive evolution of religion.  Racially considered, it is hardly proper to regard Mary as a Jewess. In culture and belief she was a Jew, but in hereditary endowment she was more a composite of   Syrian, Hittite, Phoenician, Greek, and Egyptian stocks,  her racial inheritance being more general than that of Joseph.

          Of all couples living in Palestine at about the time of Michael's projected bestowal, Joseph and Mary possessed the most ideal combination of widespread racial connections and superior average of personality endowments. It was the plan of Michael to appear on earth as an average man, that the common people might understand him and receive him; wherefore Gabriel selected just such persons as Joseph and Mary to become the bestowal parents

Interesting Mary's linage seems to be more from the Adamson Civilization going back.

Ub link

Sevens

[sevens]

sevens

[Jonna Herring]

I don't see it. What do the genetic studies say, anyone know?

[sevens]

Oh I thought it was interesting that we are one big family at the end of the day.

I wouldn't have a clue what geneticists say, what I posted was on the run.

You would have to put a study together I suppose.

A study would have to include all sorts of things I suppose but it would be related to skull types and DNA from what I can gather.  But the parameters of the study would have to be based on guidelines that fit with the information being relied on.  Like looking at the info and then working out ways to find the evidence and see if it fits or falls over.

sevens

[King Crimson]

JEWISH GENES
DNA Evidence for Common Jewish Origin and Maintenance of the Ancestral Genetic Profile
By Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman
(Use with permission only)

Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics – the study of DNA sequences – indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.

Jewish men from communities which developed in the Near East – Iran / Iraq, Kurds, Yemenites, Roman Jews, and Ashke****m / European Jews – have very similar, almost identical genetic profiles.

"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora." (M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, June 9, 2000)

The basis of this new field of population research is the study of the Y-chromosome, which is passed virtually unchanged from father to son. The rare mutations – which are changes in the non-coding portion of its DNA – can serve as markers which can distinguish peoples. By studying the genetic signatures of various groups, comparisons can be made to determine the genetic relationships between the groups.

Y-chromosome research of the Jewish people began as an outgrowth of the study of Cohanim – the Jewish priestly family. These studies showed a very high genetic affinity among present-day Kohanim – indicating that they do have a common paternal ancestor, estimated to have lived some 3,000 years ago. (See: DNA Chain of Tradition – The Discovery of the "Cohen Gene")

This genetic research consists of obtaining DNA samples, and doing laboratory analysis and comparison of the DNA markers on the Y-chromosome – which is passed from father to son, and the on mtDNA – which is passed intact from mother to son and daughter. This genetic anthropology promises to be particularly informative for tracking the history of Jewish populations, and helping to resolve the debate on the origins and migrations of Jewish communities in the Diaspora.

The researchers proposed to answer the question whether the scattered groups of modern Jews are really the modified descendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible, or are some groups of modern Jews instead converted non-Jews and other groups so diluted by intermarriage that little remains of their "Jewish genes."

The complex recorded history of dispersal from the land of Israel and subsequent residence in and movements between various countries in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East is expected to produce a complex pattern of genetic relationships among Jewish populations and between them and the non-Jewish peoples among whom they lived.

The research was basd on samples from 29 populations, 7 Jewish, categorized into five major divisons: Jews, Middle-Eastern non-Jews, Europeans, North Africans, and sub-Saharan Africans.

The findings were that most Jewish communities, long separated from one another in Europe, North Africa, the Near East and the Arabian peninsula do indeed seem to be genetically similar and closely related to one another, sharing a common geographical origin.

These Jewish communities are more closely related to each other and to other Middle Eastern Semitic populations – Palestinians, Syrians, and Druze, than to their neighboring non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora.

The results also indicate a low level of admixture (intermarriage, conversion, rape, etc.) into the gene pool of these various Jewish communities.

Among the Jewish communities sampled, North Africans (Morrocans, etc.) were most closely related to Babylonian (Iraqi) Jews. These populations may best represent the paternal gene pool of the ancient Jewish / Hebrew population dating back to the First Temple period, before the Babylonian exile (approx. 2,500 years ago).

The Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Jewish and Semitic populations. In contrast, the paternal gene pool of Ethiopian Jews more closely resembles that of non-Jewish Ethiopian men.

Although the Ashke**** (European) community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups, originating in the Middle East.

A low rate of intermarriage between Diaspora Jews and local gentiles was the key reason for this continuity. Since the Jews first settled in Europe more than 50 generations ago, the intermarriage rate was estimated to be only about 0.5% in each generation.

The Ashke**** paternal gene pool does not appear to be similar to that of present-day Turkish speakers. This finding opposes the suggestion that Ashke****m are descended from the Kuzars, a Turkish-Asian empire that converted to Judaism en masse in or about the 8th century C.E.

The researchers are continuing and expanding their studies particularly of the Ashke**** community. They are hoping that by examining the DNA markers in Jewish populations from different parts of Europe, they will be able to infer the major historical and demographic patterns in Ashke**** populations.

In addition to questions of medical interest, there are many interesting possibilities concerning the origin of Ashke**** populations and how they migrated in Europe. It seems likely that Jews began to arrive in Eastern Europe perhaps 1,000-1,200 years ago, when settlement was already sufficiently developed to provide them with opportunities to make a living.

One theory claims that the Jews of Eastern Europe derive predominantly from Jewish migrants from the Rhineland or from Italy, being fairly direct descendants of the original ancient Jewish / Hebrew populations.

A second theory suggests a northerly migration from the Balkans or from Central Asia, with the possibility of large scale conversions of Slavs and/or Kuzars to Judiasm.

This argument parallels the controversy over the origin and development of Yiddish – the language of Eastern European Jews. One theory proposes that Jews migrating from the Rhineland and neighboring regions spoke an old form of German which was to provide the basis of Yiddish.

Other scholars reject the German origin of Yiddish. These linguists see Yiddish grammar as fundamentally Slavonic, with modern Yiddish developed by incorporating large numbers of German and Hebrew words into the context of a basically Slavic grammar and syntax.

There has not been enough historical evidence to decide between such theories. Now, with the newly developed genetic methods, it is possible to test these ideas, for example to see if there was a significant Slavic contribution to modern Ashke****c Jewry. Early indications from this study seem to support the "Mediterranean – To Europe – To Eastern European" pattern.

The researchers plan to continue their research by investigating genetic variation in populations that can trace their Jewish ancestry to localized communities of Europe, in order to better understand the history and development of Ashke****c Jewry.

These genetic research findings support Jewish tradition – both written and oral. After over one thousand years of history in the Land of Israel, Jews dispersed to many and distant locations throughout the world.

Some Jewish exile communities were relatively stable for two millenia – such as in Babylonia (Iraq) and Persia (Iran). Others developed centuries later, following successive migrations to North Africa and Europe.

All of these communities maintained their Jewish customs and religious observance despite prolonged periods of persecution. Jews remained generally culturally isolated from their host communities. These genetic studies are a testimony to Jewish family faithfulness.

Only the Jewish people in the history of mankind has retained its genetic identity for over 100 generations while being spread throughout the world – truly unique and inspiring.

Perhaps, even more unique and inspiring, is that this most unlikely scenario was a prophecy and a promise.

"And G-d shall scatter you among all the peoples from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth…" Devorim 28:64

"And G-d shall return your captivity and be merciful to you, and will return and gather you from all the nations whither G-d has scattered you." Devorim 30:3

"As the natural laws are set before Me, so shall the seed of Israel never cease from being a nation before Me, forever." Yirmiyahu 31:36

http://www.cohen-levi.org/jewish_genes_and_genealogy/jewish_genes_-_dna_evidence.htm

[sevens]

Thanks King Crimson

I found that post very inspiring to

There was a couple of points that seem to confirm the Urantia case which was

Although the Ashke**** (European) community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups, originating in the Middle East.

One theory claims that the Jews of Eastern Europe derive predominantly from Jewish migrants from the Rhineland or from Italy, being fairly direct descendants of the original ancient Jewish / Hebrew populations.

and

A second theory suggests a northerly migration from the Balkans or from Central Asia, with the possibility of large scale conversions of Slavs and/or Kuzars to Judiasm.

The above seems to point to the Urantia fragments

I was was completely surprised when it occurred to me that there is a connection between the Jews Abraham and the gene pool that went to Europe and that can be identified.

That was completely interesting

and these the fragments that got me going

8. THE DANUBIAN ANDONITES

The Andite peoples of  the Euphrates valley migrated north to Europe to mingle with the blue men and west into the Mediterranean regions to mix with the remnants of the commingled Saharans and the southern blue men.

They were often reinforced by arrivals from Asia Minor,

and

The Danubians were Andonites  , farmers and herders who had entered Europe   through the Balkan peninsula and were moving slowly northward by way of the Danube valley.

and

Danubian-Andonite    cultures met and mingled on the Rhine as is witnessed   by the existence of two racial groups in   Germany today.

and

The ancient Hittites stemmed directly from the Andonite stock;  their pale skins and broad heads were typical of that race.   This strain was carried in  Abraham's ancestry and contributed much to the characteristic facial appearance of his later Jewish descendants who, while having a culture and religion derived from the Andites, spoke a very different language.

I'm really interested in finding out the truth of origins, I think its a good study.

It might be that we all have a commonality in Genes in Europe and might be very interesting to know that we have more in common than what divides even in our Genes. 

It interesting 500 years after Abraham left the Euphrates Valley, UR collapsed and there would of been a large exodus then and even before to the Rhine/Danube River.  At around 2500BC there was a great dispersal of Andites and that would of included the Abraham/Hittite strain going to Europe, However 500yrs later Abrahams particular Hittite line left UR, the Euphrates Valley to Palestine via Nathor and met with Melchizedek, the Sage of Salem! 2000BC and thats when everything began to where we are today!

What even more amazing is that 4000 years later from Melchizedek, The Son of Man Jesus came and today in our times we are in (I believe) the twilight of great enlightenment through the books and discovery, verification of the former cities which will lead to a new destiny in truth and could lead to a call to rapture and some judgement as well.  I dont know see what happens.

I have to laugh at that one for such a connection for Easter to find out that are large majority of Europeans are all connected to the Andites of the Euphrates river or the Sumerian's which go back to the Andonite, Adamite and the Nodite with some Adamson gene pool and which go back to the original and first Cities Dalamatia City, Dilmun/Babel 1stEden, 1stSusa and then to Egypt.

Here is another piece

3. The southern white race. This brunet Mediterranean race consisted of a blend of the Andite and the blue man, with a smaller Andonite strain than in the north. This group also absorbed a considerable amount of secondary Sangik blood through the Saharans. In later times this southern division of the white race was infused by strong Andite elements from the eastern Mediterranean.

and this part for background

For almost twenty thousand years the Andonites had been pushed farther and farther to the north of central Asia by the Andites. By 3000 B.C. increasing aridity was driving these Andonites back into Turkestan. This Andonite push southward continued for over a thousand years and, splitting around the Caspian and Black seas, penetrated Europe by way of both the Balkans and the Ukraine. This invasion included the remaining groups of Adamson's descendants and, during the latter half of the invasion period, carried with it considerable numbers of the Iranian Andites as well as many of the descendants of the Sethite priests.

By 2500 B.C. the westward thrust of the Andonites reached Europe. And this overrunning of all Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, and the Danube basin by the barbarians of the hills of Turkestan constituted the most serious and lasting of all cultural setbacks up to that time. These invaders definitely Andonized the character of the central European races, which have ever since remained characteristically Alpine.

mm interesting

See we are all one big happy family!


ahahahahahahahahah


Sevens

[Thought Adjuster]

I think you'll find that our Jewish friends here will have some problem with having some genetic linkage with their German friends, sevens. Apparently, they have a problem with what they perceive as racism in the Urantia Book, but tend to like to be quite the clique themselves.   

[sevens]

Hey thought adjuster.

You could be right!  But I dont think that all of the above is a detrimental thing, actually I see it as a positive thing as we see commonality that should reduce the race issue to zero knowing that we all apart of the other even to our genes.  The UB seems to support that in its commentary of our racial history with key fragments that can be proved by DNA from what I see in the above article and through other methods that leads to the scientific hypothesis.

I think that is a good thing and it is a test of attitude as well from all sides in light of truth on the run and what we find in the books of religion, we have to recognize ourselves in light of truth and that may entail a correction of attitude! which can come from both sides.

I believe this discovery on Easter only highlights how flawed racist ideas are when we are all technically connected to each other as discovered.  It proves that racists ideas are on shallow foundations as found in the first post.  It really highlights "Who are we to judge our fellow brother"  Based on what regarding race?? when we are all connected in genetic terms particularly of the Abrahamic gene Line and its commonality with the German Andonite Danubian culture in the Rhineland.

To me this is one of the things that will highlight itself for our correction and one of the truth things of the time we are in and that will highlight itself through the research and its discoveries along the way.

See whether its Jew of the Abrahamic Line in Israel or a German in the Rhineland we should be all one happy family! as we all come from the Euphrates Valley in Sumeria.

That to me is a find and a half! I believe this is the technical proof through the books of religion that annuls race issues technically speaking. We all have, from one common family gene pool which can be traced back to 2000 - 3000 BC in Sumeria and Further. One or many branches went to Europe through the Danube, the Balkans and then to the Rhineland and other branches went to Israel but one branch went to Melchizedek that doesn't mean we all not connected.

Hey! I don't have a race issue with anyone because you are my brother!  We go back to UR Sumeria.

Sevens

[sevens]

I suppose its when we find the truth of the matter in parallel with the Father in the personal discovery that all the various Genes within us activate and to know that love for one another on all levels even within forgiveness activates the higher propensities of our genes and we actually feel it, the light of truth that manifests from within ourselves.

Fear and suspicion holds us back from the full fruits of the first fruits!

Sevens

[sevens]

2,750 - 2,000 BC Early Helladic (Mycenean) period in mainland Greece - settlers from the north, speaking a non-Indo-European language; place names ending in "-ssos"

Early Minoan period in Crete

http://www.drshirley.org/hist/hist01.html

I wonder if "-ssos" is a distant reflection is Sato and still perpetuated in the language?

Almost two thousand years after the settlement of Crete a group of the tall descendants of Adamson made their way over the northern islands to Greece, coming almost directly from their highland home north of Mesopotamia. These progenitors of the Greeks were led westward by Sato, a direct descendant of Adamson and Ratta.

SATO = SARTO maybe = SO maybe = SOSS

So many questions.

Ok Im going back in the timeline particularly about Crete.

During the decline of culture in Mesopotamia there persisted for some time a superior civilization on the islands of the eastern Mediterranean.

About 12,000 B.C. a brilliant tribe of Andites migrated to Crete. This was the only island settled so early by such a superior group, and it was almost two thousand years before the descendants of these mariners spread to the neighboring isles. This group were the narrow-headed, smaller-statured Andites who had intermarried with the Vanite division of the northern Nodites. They were all under six feet in height and had been literally driven off the mainland by their larger and inferior fellows. These emigrants to Crete were highly skilled in textiles, metals, pottery, plumbing, and the use of stone for building material. They engaged in writing and carried on as herders and agriculturists.

By 5000 B.C. the three purest strains of Adam's descendants were in Sumeria, northern Europe, and Greece. The whole of Mesopotamia was being slowly deteriorated by the stream of mixed and darker races which filtered in from Arabia. And the coming of these inferior peoples contributed further to the scattering abroad of the biologic and cultural residue of the Andites. From all over the fertile crescent the more adventurous peoples poured westward to the islands. These migrants cultivated both grain and vegetables, and they brought domesticated animals with them.

About 5000 B.C. a mighty host of progressive Mesopotamians moved out of the Euphrates valley and settled upon the island of Cyprus; this civilization was wiped out about two thousand years subsequently by the barbarian hordes from the north.

Another great colony settled on the Mediterranean near the later site of Carthage. And from north Africa large numbers of Andites entered Spain and later mingled in Switzerland with their brethren who had earlier come to Italy from the Aegean Islands.

When Egypt followed Mesopotamia in cultural decline, many of the more able and advanced families fled to Crete, thus greatly augmenting this already advanced civilization. And when the arrival of inferior groups from Egypt later threatened the civilization of Crete, the more cultured families moved on west to Greece.


The group which finally settled in Greece consisted of three hundred and seventy-five of the selected and superior people comprising the end of the second civilization of the Adamsonites. These later sons of Adamson carried the then most valuable strains of the emerging white races. They were of a high intellectual order and, physically regarded, the most beautiful of men since the days of the first Eden.

This one "By 5000 B.C. the three purest strains of Adam's descendants were in Sumeria, northern Europe, and Greece" So by 5000BC you have and Adamic sons and there culture in Greece and the Greeks (Adamson's) on Crete and neighboring islands. Then 3000BC years ago around the spiritual decline of Egypt 5000 years ago a group of the Adamsons from Crete finally settled on the mainland of Greece from  the Northern island and then onto the mainland led by Sato and 375 followers.  So we have the Adamson branch invading mainland of Adamite Greece from Crete 3000BC.

and is here is little fragment of the Andonite invasion including the Adamson progeny of Europe confirmed here by 3000BC, 5000 years ago.  This is around the the Adamson from Crete came to Greece.

By 3000 B.C. increasing aridity was driving these Andonites back into Turkestan. This Andonite push southward continued for over a thousand years and, splitting around the Caspian and Black seas, penetrated Europe by way of both the Balkans and the Ukraine. This invasion included the remaining groups of Adamson's descendants and, during the latter half of the invasion period, carried with it considerable numbers of the Iranian Andites as well as many of the descendants of the Sethite priests.

Is this the same Greek culture in History that we are more familiar with today?

This may explain the differences in the Macedonians, the Spartans and the Greeks but really they are off the same family thousands of years earlier but reconnecting at later time interval but there history goes back to Adamson and Ratta and his father Adam  the same common family.  The beginning!

Then to the North of Greece you have the Danubian admixation which its own characteristics.

So where did the second Adamsonite civilisation come From?

From here

line 123: This center of civilization was situated in the region east of the southern end of the Caspian Sea, near the Kopet Dagh. A short way up in the foothills of Turkestan are the vestiges of what was onetime the Adamsonite headquarters of the violet race. In these highland sites, situated in a narrow and ancient fertile belt lying in the lower foothills of the Kopet range, there successively arose at various periods four diverse cultures respectively fostered by four different groups of Adamson's descendants. It was the second of these groups which migrated westward to Greece and the islands of the Mediterranean. The residue of Adamson's descendants migrated north and west to enter Europe with the blended stock of the last Andite wave coming out of Mesopotamia, and they were also numbered among the Andite-Aryan invaders of India.

and again this is the end track of this Second Adamson civilisation that migrated through to the isle of the Med from the Adamson headquarters in Iran.

The group which finally settled in Greece consisted of three hundred and seventy-five of the selected and superior people comprising the end of the second civilization of the Adamsonites. These later sons of Adamson carried the then most valuable strains of the emerging white races. They were of a high intellectual order and, physically regarded, the most beautiful of men since the days of the first Eden.

And this connects with the last Andite wave that came out of Euphrates period 2500-2000BC which Abraham was the last you could say to leave Mesopotamia and ended up in the Eastern Med and Egypt where he had a distant cousin on the throne which does relate to the Shepherd King period in Egypt.

The residue of Adamson's descendants migrated north and west to enter Europe with the blended stock of the last Andite wave coming out of Mesopotamia

So the last Andite wave went to Europe and Abraham went to the Eastern Med.  The parting of the ways  to the North or East and that was the crossroad of that common family between the Danubian Germans of the Rhine and The Jews with the same common family back in the Euphrates Valley in Sumeria.

So we can trace this back to Adamson's highland in Iran which I believe is this place.



12,000 years ago the Greeks, the 2nd Adamson civilisation came from here. No wonder they had tales of the Elysian Fields, islands home of the Gods and tales of immortality from the apples of the tree of immortality, food of the Gods.

Yet this Saga and this place goes much further back to the real beginning city of Dalamatia City and in 1st Eden where another Saga took place.

See we are all one happy family!

ahahahahahahahah

Sevens

[sevens]

While Im on the Subject of the Greeks and there background.  Here is an interesting piece

PAPER 98 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE OCCIDENT

The Melchizedek teachings entered Europe along many routes, but chiefly they came by way of Egypt and were embodied in Occidental philosophy after being thoroughly Hellenized and later Christianized. The ideals of the Western world were basically Socratic, and its later religious philosophy became that of Jesus as it was modified and compromised through contact with evolving Occidental philosophy and religion, all of which culminated in the Christian church.

For a long time in Europe the Salem missionaries carried on their activities, becoming gradually absorbed into many of the cults and ritual groups which periodically arose. Among those who maintained the Salem teachings in the purest form must be mentioned the Cynics. These preachers of faith and trust in God were still functioning in Roman Europe in the first century after Christ, being later incorporated into the newly forming Christian religion.

Much of the Salem doctrine was spread in Europe by the Jewish mercenary soldiers who fought in so many of the Occidental military struggles. In ancient times the Jews were famed as much for military valor as for theologic peculiarities.

The basic doctrines of Greek philosophy, Jewish theology, and Christian ethics were fundamentally repercussions of the earlier Melchizedek teachings.
1. THE SALEM RELIGION AMONG THE GREEKS

The Salem missionaries might have built up a great religious structure among the Greeks had it not been for their strict interpretation of their oath of ordination, a pledge imposed by Machiventa which forbade the organization of exclusive congregations for worship, and which exacted the promise of each teacher never to function as a priest, never to receive fees for religious service, only food, clothing, and shelter. When the Melchizedek teachers penetrated to pre-Hellenic Greece, they found a people who still fostered the traditions of Adamson and the days of the Andites, but these teachings had become greatly adulterated with the notions and beliefs of the hordes of inferior slaves that had been brought to the Greek shores in increasing numbers. This adulteration produced a reversion to a crude animism with bloody rites, the lower classes even making ceremonial out of the execution of condemned criminals.

UB Link

Interesting!

and this fragment with a recommendation at the end

The evolution of religious philosophy among the Hellenic and Hebrew peoples affords a contrastive illustration of the function of the church as an institution in the shaping of cultural progress. In Palestine, human thought was so priest-controlled and scripture-directed that philosophy and aesthetics were entirely submerged in religion and morality. In Greece, the almost complete absence of priests and "sacred scriptures" left the human mind free and unfettered, resulting in a startling development in depth of thought. But religion as a personal experience failed to keep pace with the intellectual probings into the nature and reality of the cosmos.

In Greece, believing was subordinated to thinking; in Palestine, thinking was held subject to believing. Much of the strength of Christianity is due to its having borrowed heavily from both Hebrew morality and Greek thought.

In Palestine, religious dogma became so crystallized as to jeopardize further growth; in Greece, human thought became so abstract that the concept of God resolved itself into a misty vapor of pantheistic speculation not at all unlike the impersonal Infinity of the Brahman philosophers.

But the average men of these times could not grasp, nor were they much interested in, the Greek philosophy of self-realization and an abstract Deity; they rather craved promises of salvation, coupled with a personal God who could hear their prayers. They exiled the philosophers, persecuted the remnants of the Salem cult, both doctrines having become much blended, and made ready for that terrible orgiastic plunge into the follies of the mystery cults which were then overspreading the Mediterranean lands. The Eleusinian mysteries grew up within the Olympian pantheon, a Greek version of the worship of fertility; Dionysus nature worship flourished; the best of the cults was the Orphic brotherhood, whose moral preachments and promises of salvation made a great appeal to many.

Page 1080 All Greece became involved in these new methods of attaining salvation, these emotional and fiery ceremonials. No nation ever attained such heights of artistic philosophy in so short a time; none ever created such an advanced system of ethics practically without Deity and entirely devoid of the promise of human salvation; no nation ever plunged so quickly, deeply, and violently into such depths of intellectual stagnation, moral depravity, and spiritual poverty as these same Greek peoples when they flung themselves into the mad whirl of the mystery cults.

Religions have long endured without philosophical support, but few philosophies, as such, have long persisted without some identification with religion. Philosophy is to religion as conception is to action. But the ideal human estate is that in which philosophy, religion, and science are welded into a meaningful unity by the conjoined action of wisdom, faith, and experience.

That last piece is the recommendation like in this journey to the ancient places and the truth behind each place, a meaningful one.

But the ideal human estate is that in which philosophy, religion, and science are welded into a meaningful unity by the conjoined action of wisdom, faith, and experience.

The best from each.  Well I reckon that works and that approach is the best way as I know through this journey to the ancient places.

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Ok so I looked up the keyword Orphic brotherhood and this is what I found in the UB

The Eleusinian mysteries grew up within the Olympian pantheon, a Greek version of the worship of fertility; Dionysus nature worship flourished; the best of the cults was the Orphic brotherhood, whose moral preachments and promises of salvation made a great appeal to many.

and now this quote from
http://www.octc.kctcs.edu/crunyon/e261c/09-NT-Augustine/TroubledEmnoire.htm

D.     Spread of Mystery Religions (Mithracism, Christianity); Communal partaking of sacred food or drink common; often food was thought to takeon, by santification, the powers of the god, which were then magically conveyed to the communicant; Each of the great cults had "mysteries" associated wth them and all assumed the possibility of magic; Preachers claiming divine inspiration traveled from city to city, performing apparently miraculous cures
      1.    Tammuz : still hailed in towns of Syria with the cry, "Adonis is risen," and his ascension into heaven was celebrated

      2.    Dionysus:
         a. Greeks continued to commemorate his agony, death, and resurrection
         b. Orphicism--influenced by hindu and Pythagorean ideas, the Orphic cult taught throughout Greece that the soul is imprisoned in a succession of sinful bodies and can be released from this degrading reincarnation by rising in ecstatic union with Dionysus. At their gathering, the Orphic brotherhood drank the blood of a bull sacrificed to--and identified with-- the dying and atoning savior

      3.    Demeter: initiates mourned with the goddess the snatching of her daughter into Hades, and meanwhile lived on consecrated cakes and a mystic mixture of flour, water, and mint; on ther third night a religious drama represented the resurrection of Persephone, and the officiating priest promised a rebirth of every purified soul; the Eleusian rites required initiates to confess sins, abstain for a time from certain foods, bathe for spiritual as well as physical cleansing, and then offer an animal sacrifice

Google search Orphic Symbol 

Reproduction based on an Orphic seal, 3rd century AD.

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/christ/xt-sbd.htm

Here is some Orphic writings

TAUGHT THE ROAD TO THE LOWER WORLD

(The Funerary Gold Plates)

[Plate from Petelia, South Italy, fourth-third century B.C.]

Thou shalt find to the left of the House of Hades a spring,

And by the side thereof standing a white cypress.

To this spring approach not near.

But thou shalt find another, from the Lake of Memory

Cold water flowing forth, and there are guardians before it.

Say, 'I am a child of Earth and starry Heaven;

But my race is of Heaven (alone). This ye know yourselves.

But I am parched with thirst and I perish. Give me quickly

The cold water flowing forth from the Lake of Memory.'

And of themselves they will give thee to drink of the holy spring-

And thereafter among the other heroes thou shalt have lordship.

[Plate from Eleuthernai in Crete, second century B.C.]

I am parched with thirst and I perish-Nay, drink of me (or, But give me to drink of)

The ever-flowing spring on the right, where the cypress is.

Who art thou?.....

Whence art thou?-I am the son of Earth and starry Heaven.

[Plate from Thurii, South Italy, fourth-third century B.C.]

But so soon as the spirit hath left the light of the sun,

Go to the right as far as one should go, being right wary in all things.

Hail, thou who hast suffered the suffering. This thou hadst never suffered before.

Thou art become god from man.

A kid thou art fallen into milk.

Hail, hail to thee journeying the right hand road

By holy meadows and groves of Persephone.

[Three more tablets from Thurii, of roughly the same date as the previous One. ]

I come from the pure, pure Queen of those below,

And Eukles and Eubuleus, and other Gods and Daemons.

For I also avow that I am of your blessed race.

And I have paid the- penalty for deeds unrighteous,

Whether it be that Fate laid me low or the gods immortal

Or . . . with star-flung thunderbolt.

I have flown out of the sorrowful, weary circle.

I have passed with swift feet to the diadem desired.

I have sunk beneath the bosom of the Mistress, the Queen of the

underworld.

And now I come a suppliant to holy Persephoneia,

That of her grace she send men to the seats of the Hallowed.

Happy and blessed one, thou shalt be god instead of mortal.

A kid I have fallen into milk.

From here
http://mircea-eliade.com/from-primitives-to-zen/171.html

I thought the above was absolutely fascinating and in my mind.   I can see reflections of the Adamson heritage in distant reflection of this Orphic writings and distant views of the rapture when man becomes gods so to speak.

The lake of Memory, sipping from the waters of the lake of memory sounds like a distant past to once paradisaical  place like 1Eden but also could mean the future as well, like in this journey sipping out of the Lake of Memory literally.

Here is some information about the Orphic Brotherhood.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/pr/pr06.htm

The Orphic Brotherhood and Monasticism.

http://www.idahomonks.org/sect301.htm

Another Link

http://www.iamuniversity.ch/Orpheus-Founder-of-the-Greek

Another Link

http://www.carnaval.com/orpheus/orpheus-history.htm





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Even if you look at the following link and in metaphor relate the fragments used in the commentary to the journey of the ancient places and its characteristics and what it represents you find that story becomes alive and tells a story with characteristics that relate to the submerged cities.

http://www.theoi.com/Kosmos/Haides.html

Its like this fragment

In ancient Greek mythology and religion the DOMOS HAIDOU or "realm of Haides" was the land of the dead, the final resting place for departed souls. It was a dark and dismal realm in which bodiless ghosts flitted across grey fields of asphodel. The Homeric poets knew of no Islands of the Blessed or Elysian fields, or for that matter a Tartarean hell, instead all the spirits, including those of the great heroes, descended into Haides.

Doesn't the above have characteristics of the ancient cities.  Like the submergence of the a City of the Gods, descending in to earth taking its people with them.  A true story that perpetuates in the story and yet this place has spiritual significance related to the after life.  A place that takes resemblance of a holy Temple and the knowledge it regards to the next world.  A city like what we have in Dalamatia City.

And this next commentary, doesnt this have all the hallmarks and fits the description of the lost City of the Gods

In the Iliad the realm is a damp and mouldy place buried inside the hollows of the earth. The dead cross a river, pass through gates guarded by the Hound, and present themselves before King Haides and Queen Persephone. The ghosts of the unburied dead are allowed to return to the realm above to visit the living in their dreams and demand a proper burial. The land of Haides is quite distinct from Tartaros, the prison-house of the Titanes, which is described as lying as far beneath Haides as earth beneath the heavens.

"pass through gates guarded by the Hound, and present themselves before King Haides and Queen Persephone"  Like what we have with the submerged cities.  We have the cities located in the images with connecting symbolism.  You have to pass through gates to enter the city like what is present on the front end of the sevenfold website, all the same characteristics.

There is a King and Queen within the city and in a temple or a city.  All the same characteristics as we see in the literal.  "prison-house of the Titanes"  We see characteristics of the rebellion and images of them interned as in the reality of today and there demise was related to the fall in Dalamatia City.

"The ghosts of the unburied dead are allowed to return to the realm above to visit the living in their dreams and demand a proper burial."  This seems to have reflections of the sleeping survivors awaiting the dispensational completion so they can move on, like the dead raising.  Dalamatia City could be instrumental in this process and it does represent the Father as in the first temple.


Sometime I wonder whether this is mythologies way of its own end time description key features even with a physical location.

THE REALM OF HADES IN THE ILIAD

In Homer's Iliad all the dead descend into the murky subterranean realm ruled by Haides and Persephone. It is known either as the dôma Aidao "the house (domain) of Haides" or domoi Aidao "dwelling-places of Haides." Aïdao itself is literally "the unseen." The unburied dead cannot cross the river and roam the earth until their funeral rites are complete. In this manner the ghost of Patroklos visits Akhilleus in his sleep and demands burial (23.63 ff). After the rites are complete the soul (psykhê) crosses over the River (23.63 ff) and passes through the gates (pylai) of Haides and joins the company of the spirits of the dead. The gates are guarded by the Hound of Haides (kynos Aidou) (8.361 ff).

In the above there seems to be references to gates and the dead passing through through the river.  The gates are guarded.  This same reality does exist with the gates to the first and second temple of the ancient places in metaphor online.  These gates of Dalamatia City is related to next world, the kingdom of heaven though the viechle of the ancient cities in a physical demonstration.

In our case of the city Dalamatia City we have the knowledge of the fruit of the tree of life within the gates of this city where attitude is main the focus on passing through the gates.  Attitude is all related to the future.

I thought it was interesting seeing if there are reflections in mythology that relate in characteristics to this journey and what it represents and personally I think there is a connection or description which is like an insight into this journey in different ways.  But then perhaps I'm seeing to much into it.  Over focalisation ahahahahahah

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[Tovah Silverstein]

Why do you want to make light of the Jewish people in such a way? 
Don't you know the history of the Jewish people, the Germans and all the evil that occurred on behalf of the Germans towards them, all in the name of race?
it is unthinkable to stir up so much terrible history anew! 

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Hey, I'm just going through the books to see if there is some commonality thats all.

I'm not stirring up anything, I'm just writing about what I found in the books.

The point that I'm making is that there should never been the disasters of the past as both races do have commonality of the same culture many thousands of years ago which can be read.  Meaning both cultures are  brothers from long ago and there should never be persecutions between brothers.

Whats wrong with that point! 

Gee! this whole effort to the ancient places is for the Jewish people and for Christianity an effort that no one lifts a finger for, everyone is just slothfull being comfortable in the comfort zone avoiding the truth of everything for out of fear! 

I like the Jewish people and Christianity, why just recently I thought I had a Jewish girlfriend even though I was wrong as it turned out. I had no problem in having a relationship with a Jewish girl and would have no problem if she was Muslim either as to me its the heart and motive that count not the race nor religion.

Personally, I wish I could find a partner who has similar focalisations in her faith so we could walk together in a oneness and do things for the Father together! More than anything this is what I desire, more than money, more than prestige and career more than anything!

Unfortunately, I dont think I am going to find a partner on this planet that I can love unreservedly,  so now I look to the Adamic children in heaven in the hope that I find a partner amongst this holy race who will descend with the elect at judgement. 

This very race of Adam is going to be with the Elect after all things have reached there consummation on this planet.  The Adamics and the elect will both be supping of the tree of life having large families and fixing the planet for the next 1000 years.

The rest of the Adamic Family in Heaven know exactly what is happening here and are being prepared for this great responsibility that they have for this planet!  I'm sure the Adamics in heaven know all about this bloke on the planet fighting the battle against ignorance and pride! and who are busting to give this guy a hand in getting the truth out there.

There is only one thing.  How tall are the Adamic progeny...9 ft??  I am 6ft 4 tall, might be a little tall for me ahahahahahaha but they were the most beautiful race on earth then and they are especially preserved by the Kingdom of Heaven for this time now and for the elect and with all the right propensities that lead to success!

All I know is that when all is finished on this unbelieving planet, I and my partner will be supping of the tree of life, living immortality with my new and beautiful partner for the rest of the ages having babies and a large family.  Both of us will be glowing a violet hue and that will be the mark of the tree of life and its fruits.  That will be the identifying mark of the Elect and the literal Sons and daughters of the Father through Adamic progeny on Earth.

In essence in truth, the Sons of God that defaulted lost this promise of the future and what they lost we receive but its in the attitude and thats the reason for this great test of mankind which includes his religion and all things.


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