Message #70582

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Jonas Bergman
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   posted 07-23-2004 06:00 AM                       
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Quote Dhill: posted 07-22-2004 12:22
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Quote Jonas: 07/21
"True, but if we skip the fact that the story mentions The Pillars of Hercules and the Atlantic Ocean, we are left with a story which easily matches the geography of the eastern and north-eastern Mediterranean coastlands. Remember that Solon translated each original name into Greek."
Quote Jonas: 07/22:

Quote Dhill:You mentioned the geography matches Turkey better than the coastlines bordering the Atlantic.

"I didn't say that it matches Turkey better. I have always said that the best match is the Atlantic side of Morocco, without doubt."

So which is it?

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What I meant was that it may match parts of the eastern Mediterranean coastlands too. I´ll show you what I mean later.

Quote Dhill: Jonas, there are still disasters happening all the time in that part of the world. How many are so terrible that "the whole of Greece would go into a Dark Age, without any written documents." It had to be more than a flood, more than an earthquake and something similar to Santorini.

Or why not famine, drought, invasions, plague and earthquakes at the same time?

Quote from Collapse of the Bronze Age
However, there is no reason to believe, nor does the evidence require, that the collapse of Mycenaean civilization was produced by a single cause. Had there been but one cause, whether war or natural catastrophe, a society which was otherwise healthy could be expected to have recovered. The Mycenaean civilization of the mainland did not. It was wounded, recovered for a time and only to a degree, and then slid into oblivion. It is a common observation that trouble comes in twos or threes, and it has happened that a multiplicity occur nearly the same time. In year AD 1347, Plague raged in Cyprus. Then a devastating earthquake struck, destroying cities. It was followed by a damaging tidal wave that surged over much of the island, entirely destroying olive groves and the fishing fleet upon which the economy depended.
It is reasonable to expect that there were several contributing factors in the collapse of Bronze Age Greece.

Quote Dhill: You can take a lot of things from this, one of the most important being that there were other conditions than the Sea People that caused the Bronze Dark Age

When did I say that the Sea People caused the Bronze Dark Age?

Quote Dhill: Which means that the Atlantic reference had to come from somewhere, it didn't emerge out of thin air.

The Atlantic reference came from the name "Atlas".

Quote from Critias translated by Benjamin Jowett
And he named them all; the eldest, who was the first king, he named Atlas, and
after him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic.

If you want to find the word used in the original Egyptian account you must look for Egyptian words with equal meaning ( i.e to endure, to bear ), because Plato told us that Solon translated each meaning of the original names giving birth to "Atlas, Ampheres etc". If you find a word in the Egyptian language with the meaning "to endure, to bear" and the Egyptians used that word when they were refering to the Atlantic Ocean or an area there, then you probably have true reference to the Atlantic Ocean in the story of Atlantis. We can't just skip the fact that Solon translated the meaning of each original name into Greek.

Warm Regards,

Jonas Bergman

[This message has been edited by Jonas Bergman (edited 07-23-2004).]


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