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« on: February 18, 2008, 08:21:35 pm »

Evaluating the Urantia book, trance channeling and
EVALUATING THE URANTIA BOOK


by Stephen F. Cannon


The recent media attention given to "trance channeling" (See, Shirley
MacLaine's two best-selling books, Out On A Limb and Dancing in The
Light) has also led to a resurgence of interest in trance revelations.
Among these "New Age" revelations is a weighty volume called The Urantia
Book.

This four-pound, 2097-page tome (with 7-inch by 10-inch pages),
purports to be a history, cosmology and theology of the central and
superuniverse, the local universe and the history of our own planet,
which is properly named "Urantia." The last -- and most important for
Christians -- section of the book is a purported revelation of the true
life and teachings of Jesus.

According to the Urantia Brotherhood, which is "a voluntary and
fraternal association of believers in the teachings of The Urantia
Book," (Letter from Urantia Brotherhood dated Sept. 1977.), "The account
of the life and teachings of Jesus in The Urantia Book is much more
complete than that of the New Testament, but not contradictory." (Basic
Concepts of The Urantia Book, Urantia Brotherhood, Sept. 1975, pg. 2)

An analysis of that section, however, shows not only contradiction of
the New Testament, but a systematic denial of all the basic tenets of
Orthodox Christianity.
That Urantia doctrine and Christian doctrine are
contradictory can best be demonstrated by analyzing the book's origin
and its claims about Christ and His teachings.

The Urantia Foundation filed as a tax-exempt common law educational
foundation in 1950 in Cook County, Illinois. This group holds the
copyright to The Urantia Book and is committed to "perpetually preserve
inviolate the text of The Urantia Book and to disseminate the
principles, teachings and doctrines of (that book)." (Letter dated May
1978) The book was first published in 1955. Its beginnings, however, go
back to the early 20th century.

Dr. William Samuel Sadler (1875-1969), psychiatrist, surgeon,
theologian and author, appears to be the primary force behind the
compilation and publication of what was then known as the Urantia
Papers.

Sadler was baptized into the Seventh-Day Adventist Church in 1888. He
rose to a position of prominence in that church and held various
appointments in church hospitals and sanitariums. There is ample
evidence that Sadler enjoyed a personal relationship with SDA prophetess
Ellen G. White, and was called on to write articles for and speak to SDA
groups.

As a result of the strong teachings of Adventism against Spiritualism,
Sadler spent a great deal of time debunking spiritistic phenomena. He
chronicled his findings in two books: The Truth about Spiritualism
(1923) and the more comprehensive The Mind at Mischief: Tricks of the
Subconscious Mind (1929).

In these two volumes, Sadler recounts his work with numerous psychics,
mediums, trance talkers, and automatic writers. He concludes that with
"... one or two exceptions ... all cases of psychic phenomena which have
come under my observation have turned out to be those of auto-psychis"
(i.e. tricks of the subconscious mind or outright fraud). (Mind at
Mischief, pg. 382) It is to one of these exceptions that our attention
is drawn.

In the appendix of The Mind at Mischief Sadler recounts a story of one
investigation into the psychic realm that he could not debunk. From the
summer of 1911 until the time of his writing in 1929 he had a subject
under observation who would go into a deep sleep out of which he could
not be awakened. Sadler wrote: "This man is utterly unconscious, wholly
oblivious to what takes place, and, unless told about it subsequently,
never knows that he has been used as a sort of clearing house for the
coming and going of alleged extra-planetary personalities" (Mind at
Mischief, pg. 383). Of the communications themselves "I can only say
that I have found in these years of observation that all the information
imparted through this source has proved to be consistent within itself.
... Its philosophy is consistent. It is essentially Christian and is, on
the whole, entirely harmonious with the known scientific facts and
truths of this age." (Mind at Mischief, pg. 384.) Sadler wanted to say
more on the subject, but the person under investigation would not give
his permission to do so.

Enter Harold Sherman.

Harold Sherman, author, screenwriter, and psychic investigator, came
into contact with Sadler and the original Urantia Forum in 1942. In his
book How to Know What to Believe (Fawcett Publishing House, Greenwich,
Conn. 1976) Sherman gives an account of his years as a Forum member and
recounts some details of the origin of the papers as told to him by
Sadler. Sherman recalls that "It was an evening appointment, and we
found the doctor to be in an unusually amiable, talkative mood, disposed
to give us a more complete version of the origin of the papers than we
had ever heard of before or since. As soon as the long session was over,
Martha (Sherman's wife) and I crossed the street to our apartment in the
Rutledge Hotel and worked into the early hours to make a detailed
written record of the information that the doctor had imparted." (How to
Know, pg. 62) The details of Sherman's account essentially fit within
the framework established by Sadler's account above and has the ring of
authenticity.

After recounting the details of how Sadler and his wife came into
contact with the "subject," and after observing on several occasions the
subject's apparent desire to talk while in a trance, Sadler began asking
him questions. It was then that they learned that the subject was being
used by extra-terrestrial entities. (How to Know, pg. 64) Apparently,
this question-and-answer format accelerated with the appearance of newer
and higher entities. As these events were happening with the sleeping
subject, the Sadlers began having a few friends over for Sunday
afternoon tea to discuss topics of religion and other mutual interests.
The year was 1923 and the Forum was born.

The subject of Sadler's encounter with extra-terrestrial entities
became the focus of the group meetings. Eventually, Forum members were
called upon to submit questions for the intelligences to answer. In
November 1923 the members put together a list of 4,000 questions. These
questions were submitted to the "higher intelligences." After several
weeks Sadler called to the home of the subject and there he found a
manuscript of 472 hand-written pages. According to the wife of the
subject, the entire manuscript had been written in one night. Sadler
wrote: "I took a look at the manuscript and saw to my great astonishment
that it was the answer to all of the questions that had been formulated
by ourselves in our forum group!" (How to Know, pp. 65-67)

Of course these questions led to further questions and more papers
came through. The first stage of the revelation came to a close late in
1934. It was several years later when the last group of papers were
revealed. Sherman recalls Sadler's words: "It was finally decided by
those controlling transmission of The New Revelation Book (The Urantia
Book) to permit seventy-five papers giving a detailed and comprehensive
account of Jesus' life on earth, from His birth to His death, to be
added." (How to Know, pg. 68)

Sadler supposedly summed up by saying "The book is eventually to be
published without any human personalities to be identified with it in
any way and no authorship to be ascribed to it. These higher beings have
refused to use their own names and have only specified their type of
being in the universe.

"There are only a few of us still living who were in touch with this
phenomenon in the beginning, and when we die, the knowledge of it will
die with us. Then the book will exist as a great mystery, and no human
will know the manner in which it came about," Sadler said. (How to Know,
pg. 68-69)

This position of trying to divorce the book from all human origin has
been taken by the Urantia Foundation to this day. Any inquiry as to the
origination of The Urantia Book brings a copyrighted form letter titled,
The Urantia Book: The Question of Origin. While the above accounts of
the transmission of the book are alluded to, the main thrust of the form
letter is: "Don't be concerned with the mechanics of how the revelation
came to us, only judge the revelation on the basis of experiencing its
internal truths."

"First of all, let us acknowledge that no human being knows many of
the details and specifics regarding the origin of the Urantia Papers."
(The Urantia Book: The Question of Origin, Urantia Brotherhood Corp.,
1978, pg. 1)

"Only a first-hand experience of the superlative message of the book
can confirm the spiritual source of its origin. In reality, information
about its origin has nothing to do with the truth or spiritual quality
of the book." (The Urantia Book: The Question of Origin, pg. 2)

Subtle psychological pressure is brought to bear to try to make the
investigator guilty for even raising the question of origin. "Upon
reflection, you will recognize the persistent questions about the
unrevealed details concerning the origin of the book as a psychological
parallel to the recurring demand put to Jesus: 'Show us a sign.'" (The
Urantia Book: The Question of Origin, pg. 3)

Repeated attempts on my part to have the Foundation either confirm or
deny Sherman's account of The Urantia Book's genesis have met with
silence. In a letter to me from the foundation I was essentially told
the same thing that the Question of Origin paper advised, "...we hold
the issue of the authenticity or validity of the teachings of the book
to be a matter determined on the basis of personal faith and belief.
Only the individual, by reading the book and contemplating its
teachings, can determine for him/herself whether the teachings are
valuable. The wise person does not question, but they determine truth
for themselves and do not ask an authority to validate truth for them.
(Letter from Urantia Foundation to author dated Dec. 11, 1980)

Despite the foundation's position, the question of origin is
important. With so many purported divine revelations available, it is
necessary to examine the origin of each.

The Bible is clear in stating that any "revelation" is to be examined
in light of what has been already given in the Bible and the Person of
Jesus Christ. (Acts 17:11) We are cautioned to test supposed spirit
communication (1 John 4:1). If these communications do not square with
the already established Good News, we are to have nothing to do with
them, even if they come from angels. (Galatians 1:Cool

By their desire to keep the origin of The Urantia Book a "mystery",
the foundation tries to make it more difficult to properly evaluate this
revelation and surround the book with an aura of mystical spirituality.
Once the facts are known about how the original papers came to be,
however, we can see that their origin is really no different than any
number of other communications from "extra-terrestrial" sources,i.e.,
channeling information, while in a trance, from alleged extra-
terrestrial beings who have possessed a subject. From Shirley MacLaine
to L. Ron Hubbard, bookshelves are loaded with knowledge and wisdom from
our supposed brothers from the stars, most of which is contradictory,
confusing and often downright silly.

In all such communications this author has examined, The Urantia Book
included, religion is brought up and Christianity is dismantled.


The Urantia Book on Jesus

The Urantia Book's section on the life of Jesus and his religion is
claimed to be much more complete than the New Testament but not
contradictory to it. A brief examination of the book proves that claim
to be false.

To say that The Urantia Book takes a dim view of the Bible is an
understatement. On page 1767, The Urantia Book quotes Jesus saying to
Nathaniel: "Nathaniel, you have rightly judged; I do not regard the
Scriptures as do the rabbis. ... These writings are the work of men,
some of them holy men, others not so holy. ... The Scriptures are faulty
and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the
best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in
all the world at this time."

There goes the authenticity of the Old Testament.

The New Testament is dismissed on page 2091 as "a discussion of Paul's
religious experience and a portrayal of his personal religious
convictions."

With the Judeo-Christian Scriptures out of the way, the stage is set
for denial of orthodox Christianity.

Saying at one point that it was deliberate, at another that it was
unintentional, The Urantia Book maintains that early Christianity was
transformed from the religion of Jesus to a religion about Jesus. (The
Urantia Book, pg. 2075) First, Jesus taught the "true" gospel of the
Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man. This message was corrupted
by the Apostles Paul and Peter (The Urantia Book, pg. 2091) and then
further changed by other apostles. (The Urantia Book, pg. 1825) The
Christian churches are the chief obstacles to the true teachings of
Jesus (The Urantia Book, pg. 2085) and Christianity is an obstacle to
the spiritual advancement of human civilization. (The Urantia Book, pg.
2084) The two greatest mistakes of Christianity are: 1) The organization
of Christian teachings so completely around the person of Jesus and 2)
"...to connect the gospel teaching directly onto Jewish theology, as
illustrated by the Christian doctrine of the atonement." (The Urantia
Book, pg. 1670)

The blood atonement of Jesus Christ appears to be the doctrine most
rigorously attacked by The Urantia Book. Paul and Greek philosopher
Philo were the chief misinterpreters of the significance of the
atonement, The Urantia Book says, and it was these two who blended in
the pagan ideas of atonement with the religion of Jesus. (The Urantia
Book, pg. 1339) The Urantia Book maintains that the very idea of blood
atonement is barbarous, puerile, primitive, and pagan. "It is an affront
to God to believe, hold, or teach that innocent blood must be shed in
order to win his favor or to divert the fictitious divine wrath." (The
Urantia Book, pg. 60)

Despite clear biblical passages to the contrary, (Romans 5:8-9;
Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:22) The Urantia Book tells us that Jesus did
not die to atone for man's sin (for there is no real sin, The Urantia
Book, pp. 984, 1739, 2093). The Urantia Book also says that man does not
obtain salvation through Christ's sacrifice. (The Urantia Book, pg.
2016) "All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted
and grounded in selfishness ... Salvation should be taken for granted by
those who believe in the fatherhood of God." (The Urantia Book, pg.
2017)

The rejection of this key doctrine of blood atonement leads the
authors of The Urantia Book to denials of other key doctrines. If there
is no real sin (as noted above), then there is no need for any
atonement. No atonement is needed because there was no fall of man. (The
Urantia Book, pg. 846) Man is ever evolving to higher and higher planes.
Also, since Christianity teaches blood atonement, then Christianity must
be denied. (The Urantia Book, pg. 1011) If no real blood atonement
(physical) was needed, then no physical resurrection was needed. (The
Urantia Book, pp. 2020-2021) And, if there was no need for the purity of
the Messiah's bloodline, then there was no need for the virgin birth of
Jesus. (The Urantia Book, pg. 1327)

How one can read the above and draw the conclusion that this does not
contradict the New Testament defies both reason and logic. Moreover, how
one can say that despite the systematic denials of The Urantia Book that
this volume is "essentially Christian" stretches the imagination to the
breaking point.

It is apparent that one can either accept the teachings of The Urantia
Book or one can accept the Bible. One can't accept both. Their teachings
are opposed.

On the one hand is the Bible, which has been substantiated as to its
historicity, authenticity, and authority by internal bibliographical,
archaeological and philological tests. On the other hand is The Urantia
Book, which was given to us by trance channeling through an unknown
subject supposedly possessed by extra-terrestrial spirits named
Manovandet Melchizedek and Vorondadek Son.

One can choose the real Jesus Christ, the only manifestation of God in
human flesh who was miraculously born of a virgin, who suffered the
shedding of his blood to cleanse us all from real original sin, and who
rose bodily, physically from the grave to give a sign to everyone that
he was who he said he was -- God Incarnate. Or you can choose the Jesus
of The Urantia Book: Michael of Nebadon; a son of the Eternal Son of the
Paradise Trinity, "grandson" of God the Father, one of over 700,000
creator Sons. This Jesus was born naturally into the world to show us
that "We must earn every inch of progress by study and training under
the guidance of angels and other competent teachers, and chiefly by
service which we give to those following us." (Basic Concepts, pg. 2)

It can either be justification by the grace of God through faith in
the finished work of Jesus the Christ, or a constant striving to earn
inches of progress by trying to pull oneself up by one's spiritual
bootstraps. It can either be the eternal rest in that grace as explained
in the Bible or it can be the constant struggle of works righteousness
enumerated in The Urantia Book.

It cannot be both; the time for choosing is now.


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Bible verses that warn us not to add/subtract from Biblical Revelations
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Introduction 
Know your enemy and know your own limits
Deuteronomy 4:2 
Deuteronomy 12:32
Proverbs 30:5-6
Revelation 22:18-19 
Galatians 1:6-12
Proof that the Human authors of the Bible were inspired by God 
Testing the spirits - the Insurmountable Hurdle
 

Introduction

One common tactic that Satan uses to deceive people is to claim new revelations that aren't in the Bible.  His bag of tricks includes written "revelations" like the Book of Mormon, the Urantia book and the Koran.  It also includes direct spiritual revelations like the alleged Marian apparitions.  These extra-Biblical revelations are often very seductive because they offer alleged secret knowledge that wasn't revealed in the Bible. Books like the Urantia book are even more seductive because of their elaborate, in-depth expose of the spiritual world and the alleged universes beyond our own.   


Know your enemy and your own limits

What most people who get caught up in these cults don't realize is who they're matching wits with.  Most of us like to think we've got reasonably good instincts and that we're pretty good at spotting a phony.  We probably can do a pretty good job when matching wits with most other people.  Perhaps that gives us a false sense of security that we mistakenly think also applies to matching wits with the spiritual world.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:  1 Peter 5:8
The problem is that when we try to match wits with Satan, he's going to win almost every time if we try to go it alone.  It is vital to remember who Satan is.  When he was created, he was number two in Heaven, second only to God Himself.  It was because of his amazing, in-depth knowledge and power that he became prideful and foolishly believed he could be an equal to his creator.  When Satan was ejected from Heaven, the Bible didn't say that God took away all that knowledge or his ability to engage in supernatural activities.  The truth is that Satan is a master deceiver and story teller.  He knows what ingredients he must weave into his story telling to make them alluring to unsuspecting, and uninformed people.  His goal is to seduce us away so that we will follow him willingly, even cheerfully.  He's not going to have near the success if he tries clobbering us over the head with obvious demonic doctrines and he's smart enough to know that. He mixes just enough truth in with his lies to sneak the lies past us, under our radar.   

He understands the intense curiosity that humans posses and plays to it by spinning elaborate tales that dazzle and amaze us.   His ability to engage in razzle-dazzle would make even the best Hollywood special effects artists blush.   He plays on our fears by soothing us with lying reassurances that Hell does not exist, or by focusing only on God's love and mercy while distracting us away from God's judgment and wrath.  He plays to our pride and or desire for power by telling us we too can become gods.  He exploits our desire to trust by false reassurances that these extra-Biblical revelations are in harmony with the Bible. He plays to our desire to be loved by mixing in strong messages of love with the poison that will ultimately lead to our spiritual death in Hell.  His ability to deceive would make the combined Psychological Operations units of all the world's military's seem like childish amateurs. The Urantia book is an excellent example of his masterful story telling abilities.  It is rich with alleged details about the spiritual world, and exploits virtually all of the human emotions listed above.   

For those who lack a solid biblical foundation about how Satan operates, and what Biblical doctrines he normally attacks, he can play them like a fiddle.  These deceived people will often experience a false sense of peace that comes from the new "enlightenment" they believe they've received from the extra-Biblical revelations, whatever they happen to be.  They may go to their graves thinking all is well, and looking forward to an eternity in heaven, only to discover the ugly truth when it's too late.  They will learn in the next life that like sheep to the slaughter, Satan had been leading them around by the nose the whole time with his tall tales, signs and wonders and clever deceptions.   

It doesn't have to be this way.  The good news is that God did not leave us defenseless against this kind of trickery.  He gave us everything we need in the Bible to enable us to separate the wheat from the chaff.  The bible verses that follow represent only a tiny fraction of what God revealed to us that enables us to see through even Satan's best efforts to deceive us.  For a more complete look at what God revealed to us on this topic, see our Cults and False prophets link at:

http://Creationists.org/cults.html

Sadly, many of these deceived people will never turn to the Bible for the life-saving guidance it can give them.  They avoid the Bible for a variety of reasons. Some do so because of sin in their life they're afraid they'll have to give up if they fully submit to God's authority in the manner God demands it of them in scriptures.  Others won't turn to the Bible because Satan has already thoroughly deceived them into not trusting it.  Others will turn to the Bible but because they are members of liberal churches who engaged in what could only be described as highly tortured Bible interpretation, they won't find the truth even though it's right under their noses.  The bottom line is this.   

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
You can't trust someone else to do your thinking and studying for you.  You have a personal responsibility to God to earnestly seek the truth, and to not ignore God if you sense He's calling you back to the Bible to find His truths there.  In the end, you will be judged on Judgment Day for how well YOU put forth effort to discover His truth, not how well others did your thinking for you.  Do not squander an eternity of unimaginable happiness and joy in the presence of your God and creator just to avoid some sacrifices and self-denial in this short life, which is a mere flicker of time by comparison.

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2008, 08:35:37 pm »

Deuteronomy 4:2

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

This is the first verse we'll examine that makes the case that there will be no further written revelations from God beyond the Bible. The book of Deuteronomy was written in 1410 BC. Note the emphasis on not adding or subtracting from Godís "word". As Matthew Henryís commentary states, this was Godís written Word, that had been revealed to them up to that point in history.

Matthew Henry commentary on this verse:

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/MatthewHenryComplete/mhc-com.cgi?book=de&chapter=004

John Gill's commentary on this verse:

http://www.gospelcom.net/eword/comments/deuteronomy/gill/deuteronomy4.htm


Deuteronomy 12:32

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.


Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


Revelation 22:18-19

The previous verses quoted were from old testament books. The final book of the Bible was the book of Revelation. It is physically the last book in the Bible, but it was also the last book written in the Bible (90 AD). Revelation begins with these verses:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.  Revelation 1:1-3

Revelation ends with these verses:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

POINT #1. The first thing to note about the book of Revelation is that the revelations in it came directly from Jesus to John. So it has the highest possible authority.

POINT #2: The Urantia society, for instance, teaches that the Bible was for the people who lived during Biblical times, and that the Urantia bookís additional revelations are for today. But Revelation 1:3 clearly states that the revelations in this book are for all who will live from that time forward, including those who will live in the last days, just prior to Jesusís second coming. There are many other  verses in Revelation that support the idea that it is a book that is focused heavily on the events that will affect those who are living in the last days. We know that in the case of Revelation 1:3, it too is meant for those in the last days because of the phrase "which must shortly come to pass".   Now if youíre thinking hey wait a minute, this verse says "shortly come to pass", and itís been almost 2,000 years since these words were written. "Shortly" sounds like something pretty imminent, not 2,000 years later.

Before jumping to the conclusion that the prophecies in Revelation are not for today, you must approach your interpretation of this verse using sound Bible interpretation principals. One of those principals is that you must look at everything the Bible has to say about a particular issue before you can accurately judge the meaning of many verses. In this case, one must consider what God tells us about His perspective on time itself. Remember, he created time. He can operate within or outside its boundaries. Hereís a pretty good clue from God about His view of time:

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

So from Godís perspective, "shortly" could easily mean a few thousand years and He tells us not to be ignorant of that fact. It is also important to pay attention to the fact that many Biblical prophecies about the "last days" are coming true today, thousands of years after they were predicted. An interesting video about end-time prophecies is available on-line. It may be viewed in its entirety at this link:

http://creationists.org/countdown_to_eternity/english.html

Among those prophecies is the fact that "angels" (demons) would lead many away from the truth about the Bibleís message of salvation through faith in Jesus through false "doctrines". In other words, extra-Biblical false revelations would come directly from spirits claiming to be from Heaven. Books like the Urantia book or book of Mormon claim such authorship.  That fact alone should immediately set off major red flags about their contents.

 

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2008, 08:36:13 pm »

Galatians 1:6-12

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

John Calvinís commentary on Galations 6-9:

http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol41/htm/iii.iii.ii.htm

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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2008, 08:37:01 pm »

In these verses we see a) that the Gospels of the Bible are revelations by Jesus Himself and b) that God warns us about a different gospel message from an angel from heaven. 

There are no verses anywhere in the Bible that state there will be additional written revelations after the book of Revelation. Since Revelation deals with events clear up to the very last days, no additional revelations are needed.  On the flip side, as we saw above, there are explicit warnings not to add or subtract anything to the last book of the Bible, Revelation. Additionally, several old and new testament books in the Bible do predict additional false revelations from Satan, demons and human false prophets including in the last days.

The purpose of these additional extra-Biblical revelations are to mislead people away from the central truths of the Bible's Gospel message of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ (as the Bible defines it). In addition to the Galatians verse above, these other Bible verses are examples of warnings about false doctrines that originate from extra-Biblical revelations and false prophets:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.  Matthew 24:24

For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:13-14

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2Peter 2:1

This is an important point because books like Urantia and the Book of Mormon claim to be additional revelations. They also claim to have originated from spirits claiming to be from Heaven. In stark contrast, not one book of the Bible was authored by an angel or from a human that was being inspired to write what he did by an angel. God Himself (the Holy Spirit) directly inspired all of the human authors of the Bible or they got the information first-hand from Jesus Himself.


Proof that the Human authors of the Bible were inspired by God

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:15
It is interesting that one of the most common reasons for trying to deny the authority of the Bible is actually one of the strongest reasons for proving itís divine inspiration and authenticity. How many times have you heard that the Bible canít be trusted because it was written by mere men? Itís a common straw man argument that many atheists, agnostics and cults use to try to deny itís authority and accuracy. But when considering the following facts, it's God-inspired human authorship is actually a strength, not a weakness:

Collectively it was written over about a 1,500 year period. It had about 40 different authors. Yet in spite of that, the old testament books are in complete harmony with the new testament books.  This is quite remarkable when you consider how difficult it would have been for 40+ men to have perpetrated a hoax as complex and wide-spread as the Bible over a 1,500 year period, and the fact that many of the Bible's authors died a martyr's death because of their absolute belief in it's authenticity.


Numerous scientific facts that modern science didnít discover until many centuries later appear in the Bible. Given the fact that jets, submarines and other modern technology were in rather short supply during Biblical times, how were mere human authors able to know these things with virtual 100% accuracy?  For some examples of this scientific foreknowledge, see:
http://Creationists.org/foreknowledge.html

The Old Testament contains about 300 prophecies about the Messiah, Jesus. Just eight of these prophecies were examined in the book Messages from Heaven (See pages 58-61 of the book). The entire book can be read on-line at:
http://www.harpazo.net/EternalProductions/ApparitionsofMary/MFH.pdf

They calculated the statistical odds that just these eight prophecies would come true and it turned out to be one in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. That staggering number is even more amazing when you consider that there were about 290 more prophecies that also came true that they didnít factor into the equation! It simply would have been impossible for mere men to have prophesied these things or even conspired with others many centuries after they had died to somehow "make" these things happen the way they did. The authors who wrote these prophecies were clearly inspired by God to write what they did.  We can be certain that demons did not feed them this information because one test of whether prophecies are from God or from demons is the 100% accuracy test (Deuteronomy 18:22).  Satan can get it right sometimes, but not always.  The Bible authors had a perfect record.

There are many prophecies about the last days.  It certainly appears that a good number of them are coming true in this generation. The prophecies about Israel are especially stunning. For more information about these prophecies, see the video Countdown to Eternity at this link:
http://creationists.org/countdown_to_eternity/english.html



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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2008, 08:37:59 pm »

Testing the spirits - the Insurmountable Hurdle

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

Even if you could convince yourself after reading the above verses that God still might allow for additional revelations like what are in the Koran, Urantia Book and Book of Mormon, there is still one insurmountable hurdle that none of these books can overcome.  They will all fail the "test the spirits" Bible tests miserably.

God clearly established the Bible as the one and only baseline to measure all other doctrines against to see if they are inspired by the spirit of God, or the spirit of demons. Hereís two good links that explain how to test the spirits in more detail:

testthespirits.html

http://Creationists.org/cults.html#12

When applying these Biblical tests to the Urantia book, book of Mormon, the Koran and other alleged holy books, they are quickly exposed for the demonic masterpieces they truly are. The quickest way to expose any alleged holy book or revelation as heresy is to compare what it says about the person and work of Jesus against what Jesus reveals about Himself in the Bible. In spite of the claims of the Urantia book, book of Mormon and others that they are in harmony with the Bible on these important points, they are polar opposites. For a good overview of what the Bible has to say about who Jesus is, and why his death and resurrection were so important to us, see tape #5 at this link:

http://Creationists.org/cults.html#5

Arm yourself with this important Biblical knowledge first, and the false doctrines of demons will be far easier to spot.  Those who are not armed with this important Biblical knowledge are unfortunately sitting ducks for all kinds of seductive demon trickery.  For more information about this, see People who Are Vulnerable to Cults.


http://www.creationists.org/cults_new_revelations.html#proof
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2008, 08:41:37 pm »

Raelian cult
UFO cult claims to have cloned first human, and that
aliens used genetic engineering to create human life on earth



A UFO cult called Raelian, which operates a human cloning company called Clonaid, has recently been in the national spotlight because of its unsubstantiated claims to have cloned the first human.  It was allegedly a baby girl named "Eve".  This cult claims to have 55,000 followers in 84 countries.  Some of the key tenants of its beliefs are that:

Life on Earth is not the result of random evolution, nor the work of a supernatural God. It is a deliberate creation, using DNA, by a scientifically advanced people who made human beings literally in their image.

They are direct decedents of aliens.   

They claim the Bible refers to these aliens in Genesis as Elohim.

Intelligent Design (ID) - Competition for Christianity

Evolutionists and many in the Satan controlled liberal secular news media have been claiming that the recent efforts to have Intelligent Design included in the Ohio science curriculum was really Christian creationism in disguise.  We have been saying all along that was not the case, and this UFO cult is proof of that. The truth is that even if ID were mandated in Ohio public schools, Christianity would still need to compete with several other explanations of who or what the "intelligent designer" is.  Examples include:

aliens

the false gods of various other religions

So far we haven't seen this particular cult attempt to use the "Intelligent Design" movement to their advantage.  But based on what I've read about their beliefs, it appears that they could easily attempt to exploit ID their advantage. Answers in Genesis, the largest Creation organization in the world, warned us about this in this excellent article:

http://answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0830_IDM.asp

Christian response

Several web sites already exist that provide a Christian response to the Raelian cult and UFO cults in general.  Rather than to reinvent the wheel, we've put links to some of those sites below.

http://www.creationists.org/cults_raelian.html
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 12:43:32 am »

You are so irrelevant this has nothing to do with raelian crap! or Aliens even though Ezekiel mentions chariots.

Still continuing with the proposal

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,7222.msg65926.html#msg65926

Your posts is not even your work and is offensive and  judgmental.  posts of no worth nor with physical hard evidence.

Continuing on...

After we verify the both the temples of the Father submerged we can then take a trip to Iran and the verify the 3 coplanar circles of symbolism at Vans highland headquarters as in there 3 co planar symbols from there



You haven't got a chance, you are already on a sinking ship of doctrine that is due for correction.

You have failed in the beforehand and so has the doctrine of your secular religion.

Your religion has very little to do with Jesus it never had anything to do with him just your church and paying members through emotional blackmail used as a weapon against man.

Continuing on with the proposal in the test of religion and here is a link to the Former place where the judgment of mankind will occur and churches of today are not excluded.

There motivation and attitude in the great test will be considered.


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,5741.msg65929.html#msg65929

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 06:54:05 am »

Hi Calvin,

There are some good Christian psychics.  Don't judge all of them because of one bad apple!

And by the way, didn't King Saul prophesy?
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 08:07:44 am »





QUOTE:


"And by the way, didn't King Saul prophesy?"


Tom, he's the one who consulted the "Witch of Endor"........
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 03:29:12 pm »

Hey Tom if you have something to say, say it.

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Don't judge all of them because of one bad apple!

Come out with it man in your judgement explain yourself for a change.

Say it buddy be a man rather than this attitude of yours.

Your just sitting on the fence again with nothing to contribute as always except for smart comments without anything to contribute.

I find you rather insulting and you have shown nothing of yours in all the years, least I am always honest in whatever I say and you have had the benefit of reading my posts as entertainment.

Come on show something worthwhile of your self for a change or are you just another one of those hit and run cowards with nothing to offer.

You're are the bad apple if ever I have seen one and gutless to.

Just go away man if you nothing worthwhile to say! except little quips like that.  You've already proved yourself as a drain on energy.

You have nothing to say in the final analysis.  Run join your mates   

Lets see your evidence! with analysis and images and source links....anything that is worthwhile.

Although I must say Calvin, did post his stuff and that far more than what you have ever done, ever in all the years that I have known you.

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2008, 05:22:42 am »

Hi all.

I have been self reflecting and I feel I have been to personal and getting to aggressive in my stand.  I would like to apologize for my own attitude and judgment on others in their own beliefs.

Its not the witness of Jesus and I realize that.

I'm sorry

In future I will defend my beliefs in a mature way hopefully, I will try and show a little example if I can and keep my emotions out of the way.  All I ask is that I'm not provoked as this research is very intense and I am an intense guy and passionate about my beliefs.

I hope I didn't hurt to many people.

This life on this world is a battle and I was a little over the top.  Essentially we all have our thoughts and beliefs and I should respect that.

All the best


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