Ancient Nuclear War

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Here is an oldie but goody. The world has actually not been coming making strides towards civilization in the last twelve thousand years, but actually been re-emerging from a nuclear catastrophe suffered around 9 - 10,000 b.c.!
In other words, we have all been through this before!

The war, the one between the ancient Vimani and the Atlanteans, listed in the verses of
the Mahabharata:

The ancient religious epic of India called the Mahabharata attributed to
the sage Vyasa, was written down from 540 to 300 B.C. It is seven times
the length of the Iliad and the Odyssey combined according to one site )
and contains the lines:
...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendor...

...it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

...The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognizable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.

After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
....to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment.
* Berlitz, Charles, Mysteries of Forgotten Worlds, Doubleday, New York,
1972.


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Guys, here is some information concerning the dating of the Mahabharat
War: http://www.geocities.com/dipalsarvesh/mahabharat_astronomy3.html

The Scientific Dating of the Mahabharat War
By Dr.P.V.Vartak


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INTRODUCTION

The Mahabharat has excercised a continuous and pervasive influence on
the Indian mind for milleniums. The Mahabharat, orginally written by
Sage Ved Vyas in Sanskrut, has been translated and adapted into numerous
languages and has been set to a variety of interpretations. Dating back
to "remote antiquity", it is still a living force in the life of the
Indian masses.

Incidently, the dating of the Mahabharat War has been a matter of
challenge and controversy for a century or two. European scholars have
maintained that the events described in the ancient Sanskrut texts are
imaginary and subsequently, the Mahabharat derived to be a fictitiou
tale of a war fought between two rivalries. Starting from the so- called
Aryan invasion into Bharat, the current Bharatiya chronology starts from
the compilation of the Rigved in 1200 B.C., then come other Ved's,
Mahaveer Jain is born, then Gautam Buddha lives around 585 B.C. and the
rest follows. In the meantime, the Brahmanas, Samhi- tas, Puranas, etc.
are written and the thought contained therein is well-absorbed among the
Hindu minds. Where does the Ramayan and Mahabharat fit in ? Some say
that the Ramayan follows Mahabharat and some opine otherwise. In all
this anarchy of Indian histography, the date of the Mahabharat (the
mythical story!) ranges between 1000 B.C.to 300 B.C. Saunskrut epics
were academically attacked occasion- ally - an attempt to disprove the
authencity of the annals noted therein. For example, the European
Indologiest Maxmuller, tried the interpret the astronomical evidences to
prove that the observations recorded in the Hindu scriptures are
imaginary, probably because it did not match the prevelant views of
European historians!

On the contrary, many Bharatiya scholars have vehemently maintained the
actual occurance of the Mahabharat War. Astronomical and literary
evidences or clues from the Pauranic and Vaidik texts have been deci-
phered to provide a conclusive date for the Mahabharat War. The fifth
century mathematician, Aryabhatta, calculated the date of the Mahabharat
War to be approximately 3100 B.C. from the planetary posi- tions
recorded in the Mahabharat. Prof. C.V. Vaidya and Prof. Apte had derived
the date to be 3101 B.C. and Shri. Kota Venkatachalam reckoned it to be
3139 B.C. However, the astronomical data used by the above, and many
other, scholars contained some errors as examined by a scho- lar from
Pune, Dr. P.V. Vartak. Using astronomical references and variety of
other sources, Dr. Vartak has derived the date of the ini- tiation of
the Mahabharat War to be 16th October 5561 B.C. This pro- posed date has
been examined by a few scholars and has been verfied. This may prove to
be a break-through in deciding the chronology of the events in the
history of Bharat (and probably the World).

In the following few posts, I have made an attempt to provide a glance
at the proofs provided by Dr. Vartak in propounding the date of the very
important landmark in the history of Bharat (World?), i.e., Mahabharat
War. Only major points have been extracted from two sources: Dr.P.V.
Vartak's Marathi book "Swayambhu" and "Scientific Dating of the
Mahabharat War" in English.

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INSCRIPTIONS

Some scholars rely on the various inscriptions found in the temples and
elsewhere to fix the date of Mahabharat War. If there is no other
alternative then this method is tolerable, otherwise it is not reli-
able because all the known inscriptions are dated as far back as 400 AD.
Those who prepared those inscriptions were not conversant with the
scientific methods available now in the modern Science Age. So, why
should we depend on the conjectures of the ancient people? Why not use
scientific methodology to come to the conclusion ourselves? I will
prefer the use of the modern scientific ways to fix the date of
Mahabharat War rather than to rely on the Inscriptions which are vague
and inconclusive. Let us examine two famous inscriptions always quoted
by the scholars.

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AIHOLE INSCRIPTION

All the scholars have relied on this inscription found in the Jain
Temple at Aihole prepared by one Chalukya King Pulakeshi. It says,
according to scholars, that the temple was constructed in 30+3000+700+5
= 3735 years, after the Bharat War and 50+6+500 = 556 years of Shaka era
in Kali era. Today Shaka era is 1910. Hence 1910- 556 = 1354 years ago
the temple was constructed. Thus the year of inscribing this note is 634
AD. At this time 3735 years had passed from the Bharat War. So the date
of the War comes to 3101 BC. This is also the date of Kali Yuga
Commencement. Naturally, it is evident that relying on the beginning of
Kaliyuga Era and holding that the War took place just before the
commencement of Kaliyuga, this inscription is prepared. It is obvious
from the Mahabharat that the War did not happen near about the beginning
of Kaliyuga. (I have considered this problem fully at a later stage.) If
we can see that the inscription is prepared by relying on some false
assumption, we have to neglect it because it has no value as an
evidence. Moreover the interpretation done by the scholars is doubtful
because they have not considered the clauses separately and they held
Bharat War and Kali Era as one and the same.

The verse inscribed is :

Trinshatsu Trisahasreshu Bhaaratdahavaditaha | Saptabda Shatayukteshu
Gateshwabdeshu Panchasu | Panchashatasu Kalaukale Shatasu Panchashatsu
cha | Samatsu Samatitasu Shakaanamapi Bhoobhujaam | |

I would like to interprete the verse considering the clauses of the
verse. It says "3030 years from the Bharat War" in the first line, (
Trinshatsu Trisahasreshu Bhaaratdahavaaditaha) where the first clause oF
the sentence ends. in the second line, the second clause starts and runs
upto the middle of the third line thus ( Saptabda.....Kalaukale) This
means 700+5+50 = 755 years passed in the Kali Era. The remaining third
clause is ( Shatasu

Here the verse does not specifically say the Shalivahan Shaka but
Scholars have taken granted that it is Shalivahan Shaka without any base
or reasoning. The verse may have mentioned some other Shaka kings from
ancient era. So we we neglect the doubtful part of the Shaka counting
which is useless and adhere to the Kali era expressly mentioned. It is
clear from the former portion of the verse that 3030 years passed from
the Bharat War and 755 years passed from Kali Era. Kali Era started from
3101 BC. 755 years have passed so 3101-755 = 2346 BC is the year when
3030 years had passed from the Bharat War. So 2346+3030 = 5376 BC
appears to be the date of Bharat War.

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HISSE BORALA INSCRIPTION OF DEVA SENA
This inscription is of 5th century AD and scholars hold that it throws
light on the time of Mahabharat War. It states. that Saptarshis were in
Uttara at the time of this inscription. Scholars hold that Saptarshis
were in Magha at the time of Yudhishthira because Varahmihira has stated
so in Brihat-Samhita. Scholars also hold that Yudhishthira's time is
3137 BC. Saptarshis stay in one Nakshtra for 100 years, and there are 27
Nakshatras. Hence Saptarshis would be again in Magha 2700 years later
during 4th century BC. From here if we count upto 5th century AD there
fall eight Nakshatras. Hence in the 5th century AD, Saptarshis should be
in Anuradha and not Uttara. From Anuradha to Uttara Ashadha there is
adifference of five Naksha- tras, while from Anuradha to Uttara Phalguni
there is a difference of six Nakshatras. So it is quite evident that at
the time of Yudhisthira Saptarshis were not in Magha as held by the
scholars. Here I have shown a mistake of five to six hundreds of years.
More- over, there are three 'Uttaras' and the inscription has not stated
specifically which Uttara it denotes. Thus this source is unreliable and
should be rejected.

I have considered Saptarshi Reckoning in details at a later stage on
page 11. While going to examine the sources scientifically, I shall give
the honour of the first place to Astronomy. One may question that how
far Astronomy was advanced in those olden days? I say affir- matively
that Astronomy was far advanced in the ancient times, and the ancient
Indian sages had perfected the science of time measure- ment relying on
Astronomy.

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GREEK RECORDS

1. "The Greek Ambassodor Magasthenis has recorded that 138 generations
have passed between Krishna and Chandragupta Maurya. Many scholars have
taken this evidence, but taking only 20 years per generation they fixed
the date of Krishna as 2760 years before Chandragupta. But this is wrong
because the record is not of ordinary people to take 20 years per
generation. In the matter of general public, one says that when a son is
born a new generation starts. But in the case of kings, the name is
included in the list of Royal Dynasty only after his corona- tion to the
throne. Hence, one cannot allot 20 years to one king. We have to find
out the average per king by calculating on various Indian Dynasties. I
have considered 60 kings from various dynasties and calculated the
average of each king as 35 years. Here is a list of some of important
kings with the no. of years ruling.

Chandragupta Mourya 330-298 B.C. 32 years.
Bindusar 298-273 B.C. 25 years.
Ashok 273-232 B.C. 41 years.
Pushyamitra Shunga 190-149 B.C. 41 years.
Chandragupta Gupta 308-330 A.D. 22 years.
Samudragupta 330-375 A.D. 45 years.
Vikramaditya 375-414 A.D. 39 years.
Kumargupta 414-455 A.D. 41 years.
Harsha 606-647 A.D. 41 years.
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327 years.

The average is 327/9 = 36.3 years.


Multiplying 138 generations by 35 years we get 4830 years before Chan-
dragupta Mourya. Adding Chandrgupta's date 320 B.C. to 4830 we get 5150
B.C. as the date of Lord Krishna.

2. Megasthenis, according to Arian, has written that between Sandro-
cotus to Dianisaum 153 generations and 6042 years passed. From this
data, we get the average of 39.5 years per king. From this we can cal-
culate 5451 years for 138 generations. So Krishna must have been around
5771 B.C.

3. Pliny gives 154 generations and 6451 years between Bacchus and
Alexander. This Bacchus may be the famous Bakasura who was killed by
Bhimasena. This period comes to about 6771 years B.C.

Thus Mahabharat period ranges from 5000 B.C. to 6000 B.C.

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SHRIMAD BHAGWAT
a) Bhagwat gives 28 Kaurava kings from Parikshit to Kshemaka. "From
Kshemaka, the Pandava Dynasty will end in Kaliyug, and Magadha Dynasty
will start." [Bhagwad 9-22-45]. This implies that the Pandava kings
ruled before the advent of Kaliyug, i.e., before 3101 B.C and Magadha
dynasty will not super-impose the Pandava Dynasty.

b) Further it is stated in Bhagwat that after 28 Kaurava kings, Magadha
Dynasty would rule and 22 Magadha kings would govern for 1000 years.
Here it is given a average of 1000 years for 22 kings. It can be found
that the 28 Kaurava kings would have ruled for 1273 years and then
Magadha Dynasty started with King Sahadeva, whose son was Somapi. On the
other hand, Maghasandhi was the son of Sahadeva and the grand- son of
Jarasandha [Ashwamedh-82]. many scholars have neglected this fact and
have assumed that this Sahadeva fought in the Mahabharat War and was the
son of Jarasandha.

c) Ripunjaya is the last king in the list of 22 Magadhas. But Bhagwat
12.1.2-4 mentions that Puranjaya will be the last king who will be
killed by his minister Shunak. It is to be noted that there is no men-
tion of the kings between Ripunjaya and Puranjaya. People have wrongly
taken the two names as that of one and the same person, without any
evidence.

d) Bhagwat 12.1.2-4 state that Shunak would coronate his son Pradyota as
the King and later five Kings would rule for 138 years. After this
Pradotya Dynasty, Shishunga Kings, 10 in number, would rule for 360
years. Thereafter 9 Nandas would rule for 100 years. Nanda would be
destroyed by a Brahmin and Chandragupta would be enthroned. We know that
Chandragupta Maurya ascended the throne in 324 B.C. So we can thus
calculate backwards:

9 Nandas 100 years
10 Shishungas 360 years
5 Pradotyas 138 years
22 Magadhas 1000 years
28 Kauravas 1273 years
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74 Kings 2871 years


We find here only 74 kings, but Megasthenes tells us about 138 kings. So
138-74=64 kings are missing. These may be from the period between
Ripunjaya and Puranjaya. Thus calculating from the data of 74 kings who
ruled for 2871 years, we get a period of 2496 years for 64 kings. Adding
the two we get 5367 years for 138 kings. This is preceding
Chandragupta's time, who came to throne in 324 B.C. Hence, 324+5367 =
5691 B.C. is the approximate date of Parikshit.

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YUDHISHTIRA ERA AND KALIYUG

Scholars accept the date of the Mahabharat War to be 3100 B.C. which
also happens to the initiation of the Yudhisthira Era. But this Era, is
mentioned nowhere in the Mahabharat text itself! At the time of
Aswamedha of Yudhisthira, Vyas has given descriptions in minute detail
like collection of "Sruva", formation of wells and lakes, but never has
written even a word about, such an important event, as the begin- ning
of the Yudhisthira Era.

Mahabharat also never mentions anything about the beginning of the
Kaliyug, even at the time of Krishna's death. Mahabharat Adiparva 2.13
states that the War took place in the interphase ("Antare") of the
Dwapaar and Kali Eras. Thus it makes it clear that the evening of the
Dwapaar has not yet ended and the Kaliyug had not started when the War
took place.

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SAPTARISHIS

Bhagwat states at 12.2.27-32 that Saptarishis stay 100 years in one
Nakshatra. At the time of King Parikshit, the Saptarishis were in Magha.
When they proceeded to Purvashadha, Kali would start. There are 11
Nakshatras from Magha to Purvashadha. Hence it is seen that Shukacharya
tells Parikshit that after 1100 years Kaliyug will start. Kaliyug
started at 3101 B.C. Hence 3101 + 1100 = 4201 B.C. is the date of
Parikshit.

Other references from Shrimad Bhagwat points quite closely to the same
year as above.

But who is this Parikshit ? Is he the son of Abhimanyu ? No. A minute
observation of this reveals that the above is not Abhimanyu's son
because Bhagwat is told to this Parikshit. On the other hand, Mahabharat
is told to Janamejaya. In the Mahabharat, Parikshit's death has been
recorded. Hence it is evident that Mahabharat was written and published
after the death of Parikshit, the son of Abhimanyu. Bhagwat is written
after Mahabharat according to the Bhagawat itself. This Bhagwat is told
to some Parikshit. How can this Parikshit be the son of Abhimanyu who
died before the Mahabharat writing ? So this Parikshit appears to be
somebody else than Abhimanyu's son.

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EQUINOX

Mahabharat mentions the ancient tradition as 'Shravanadini
Nakshatrani',i.e., Shravan Nakshatra was given the first place in the
Nakshatra- cycle (Adi-71/34 and Ashvamedh 44/2) Vishwamitra started
counting the Nakshatras from Shravan when.he created 'Prati Srushti'. He
was angry with the old customs. So he started some new customs. Before
Vishvamitra's time Nakshatras were counted from the one which was
occupied by the sun on the Vernal Equinox. Vishvamitra changed this
fashion and used diagonally opposite point i.e. Autumnal Equinox to list
the Nakshtras. He gave first place to Shravan which was at the Autumnal
Equinox then. The period of Shravan Nakshatra on autumnal equinox is
from 6920 to 7880 years B.C. This was Vishvamitra's period at the end of
Treta yuga. Mahabharat War took place at the end of Dwapar yuga.
Subtracting the span of Dwapar Yuga of 2400 years we get 7880 - 2400 =
5480 B.C. as the date of Mahabharat War.

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ASTROLOGY
Some scholars rely on the horoscope of Lord Krishna to calculate his
birth-date so as to establish the period of Mahabharat. But they do not
realise that the horoscope is a forged one, prepared many thousand years
after Krishna's death. Mahabharat Bhagvat and Vishnu purana have not
given the planet positions at the time of Krishna's birth. It is
well-known and is recorded in many scriptures that Krishna was born in a
jail, then who could have casted his horoscope? Moreover Krishna was not
a prince so nobody would have casted his horoscope. Hence it is not wise
to rely on the horoscope. It is prepared recently by consid- ering the
charateristics of Krishna and so is useless to fix the birth-date.

Mr. G.S. Sampath Iyengar and Mr. G.S. Sheshagiri have fixed the
birth-date of Krishna as 27th July 3112 BC. 'The horoscope shows Lagna
and Moon 52 deg. 15' Rohini, Jupiter 91 deg. 16' Punarvasu, Sun 148 deg.
15' Uttara Phalguni, Mercury 172 deg. 35' Hasta, Venus 180 deg. 15'
Chitra, Saturn 209 deg. .57' Vishakha, Mars 270 deg. 1' Uttara Ashadha
Rahu, 160 deg. 1'.

At present on 27th July 1979 the Sun was at 99 deg. 57', while at
Krishna's birth, according to their opinion, the sun was at 148 deg.
15'. The difference is 48 deg. 18'. This shows that the Sun has receded
back by 48 deg. 18' due to the precession at the rate of 72 years per
degree. multiplying 48 deg. 18' by 72 we get 3456 years. This shows that
Krishna was born 3456 years ago or substracting 1979 from it we can say
that Krishna was born during 1477 BC. Thus 3112 BC is found to be wrong.
We cannot accept such a wrong date derived from a manipulated borscope.
(This horoscope is printed in "The Age of Bharat War" on page
241-Publisher, Motilal Banarasidas 1979).

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ARCHEAOLOGY

In 1971, when I hinted at the date of Mahabharat war as 5500 years BC,
Archeaologists frowned at me saying it as impossible because no cul-
ture was found in India dating so much back. But now evidences are
pouring in Archeaology itself showing cultures in India upto 30000 to
40000 years BC. Padmashri Late Mr. V.S. Wakankar has dated the paint-
ings in the caves of Bhimbetaka of Madhya Pradesh to about 40000 BC.

Recently Dr. S.B. Rao, Emeritus Scientist of the National Institute of
Oceanography, Dona Paula, Goa, 403004, has discovered under the sea,
Dwaraka and dated it as between 5000 to 6000 BC. This news has been
published by all the leading newspapers on 22th October 1988.

Motilal Banarasidas News Letter October 1988 gives a news on page 6
under the heading "50,000 year old Relics" as follows:

Spectacular culture and physical relics dating back to 50,000 years BC
have been excavated from the Central Narmada Valley in Madhya Pradesh. A
team of Anthropological survey of India recently con- ducted the
excavation. It explored sites in two districts Sebore and Hoshangabad.

In my book "Vastava Ramayan" I have shown the presence of culture in
India as far back as 72000 years B.C. This recent news points to that
ancient period. I am sure after some time Arecheaology may get evi-
dence to show the presence of culture in India 72000 BC.

In Vastava Ramayan I have shown that Bali, the demon king went to south
America during 17000 BC when the vernal equinox was at Moola Nakshatra.
MLBD News letter Oct. 1988 gives a news thus :-"Dravidians in America" -
According to a press report the Brazillian nuclear phy- sicist and
researcher Arysio Nunes dos santos holds that the Dravi- dians of South
India reached America much before Christopher Columbus.

Mr. Nunes dos Santos, of the' Federal University of Minas Gerais
maintains that the Dravidians colonised a vast South American region
11000 years before the Europians reached the new world. Vestiges of the
Dravidian presence in America, he says, include the strange phonetics of
Gourani, Paraguay's national language. Moreover Bananas, Pine Apple,
Cocunut and Cotton, all grown in India could have been taken to America
by those navigators.

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THE EXACT DATE OF MAHABHARAT WAR
16TH OCTOBER 5561 YEAR B.C.

Harivansh (Vishnu Purana A. 5) states that when Nanda carried Krishna to
Gokul on Shravan Vadya Navami day, there was dry cow-dung spread all
over the ground and trees were cut down. The presence of Dry Cowdung all
over in Gokul indicates the presence of Summer in the month of Shravan.
Trees are usually cut down in Summer to be used as fuel in the rainy
season. The seasons move one month backwards in two thousand years.
Today the rainy season starts in Jeshtha but two thousand years ago, at
the time of KaIidas, rainy season used to start in Ashadha. At the time
of Krishna's birth the Summer was in the month of Shravan while today it
is in Vaishakha. Thus the summer is shifted by four months, hence
Krishna's period comes to 4x2000 = 8000 years ago approximately. This
means about 6000 years B.C., the same period we have seen above.

At the time of Mahabharat, the Vernal Equinox was at Punarvasu. Next to
Punarvasu is Pushya Nakshtra. Vyas used "Pushyadi Ganana" for his Sayan
method, and called Nirayan Pushya as Sayan Ashvini. He shifted the names
of further Sayan Nakshtras accordingly. At that time Winter Solstice was
on Revati, so Vyas gave the next Nakshatra Ashvini the first palee in
the Nirayan list of Nakshatras. Thus he used Ashvinyadi Ganana for the
Nirayan method. Using at times Sayan names and at times Nirayan names of
the Nakshatras, Vyas prepared the riddles. By the clue that Nirayan
Pushya means Sayan Ashvini, it is seen that Nirayan names of Nakshatras
are eight Nakshatras ahead of the Sayan names Thus the Saturn in Nirayan
Purva, and Sayan Rohini, Jupiter was in Nirayan Shravan, and Sayan Swati
(near Vishakha), while the Mars was in Nirayan Anuradha, and Sayan
Magha, Rahu was between Chitra and Swati, by Sayan way means it was in
Nirayana. Uttara Ashadha (8 Nakshtras ahead). From these positions of
the major planets we can calculated the exact date. My procedure is as
follows:

I found out that on 5th May 1950, the Saturn was in Purva Phalguni. From
1950 I deducted 29.45 years to get the year 1920 when the Saturn was
again in Purva. In this way I prepared a vertical column of the years
when the Saturn was in Purva. Similarly, I prepared vertical columns of
the years when the Jupiter was in Shravan and Rahu in Uttara Ashadha.
Then I searched in horizontally to find out the year common in all the
three columns. It was 5561-62 B.C. when all the three great planets were
at the required places. Then I proceded for the detailed calculations.

Bhisma expired at the onset of Uttarayan i.e. on 22nd December. This is
a fixed point according to the modern Scientific Calendar. He was on the
arrow-bed for 58 nights and he had fought for ten days. Hence 68 days
earlier than 22nd December the War had started. This shows that the War
started on 16th October. We have to calculate the plane- tary positions
of 16th October 5561 B.C.

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SATURN

Encyclopedia of Astronomy by Larousse states that one rotation of Saturn
takes 26 years and 166 days. One year means 365.25 days. So the Saturn's
round takes 29.4544832 years.

5th May 1950, Saturn conjugated with Purva. We have to see its posi-
tion in 5561 years B.C. 5561+1950 = 7511 years. 7511 divided by
29.4544832 gives 255.00362 rounds. This means that Saturn completed 255
rounds and has gone ahead by 0.00362 or 1.3 degrees. Hence Saturn was in
conjugation with Purva on 5th May 5561 B.C. On 16th October' 5562nd B.C.
i.e. 164 days later it must have travelled (0.0334597 degrees (daily
pace) multiplied by 164 days =) 5.487 degrees. So Saturn was at 141
degrees or in Purva Nakshatra.

In October 1962, Saturn was at 281 dgrs. 1962 + 5561 = 7523 years. 7523
devided by 29.4544832 gives 255.41103 turns. After completing 255 full
turns, Saturn has gone back by 0.411003 turn i.e. 148 dgrs. 281-148= 133
degrs. This was the position of Saturn in Purva.

Calculating from 1931 or 1989 also Saturn appears at 141 dgrs. in Purva.
Thus on 16th of October 5562nd B.C. Saturn was in Purva as told by Vyas
in Mahabharat.

RAHU

Rahu takes 18.5992 years per rotation. It was at 132 dgrs. on 16th Oct.
1979. 1979 + 5561 = 7540, divided by 18.5992 gives 405.39378 turns.
0.39378 turns means 141.7 dgrs. Rahu always goes in reverse direction.
We have to go in the past, so adding 141.7 to orginal 132 we get 273
dgrs. This is Uttarashadha where Rahu was situated (by Nirayan method).

Calculations from 1989, 1962 and 1893 confirm Rahu in Uttara Ashadha.

JUPITER

Jupiter takes 11.863013 years per rotation. On 16th October 1979, it was
at 129 dgrs. 1979+5561 = 7540. 7540 divided by 1.863013 gives 635.58892
turns. 0.58892 turn means 212 dgrs. So Jupiter was 212 dgrs behind the
orginal position. 129 - 212 = -83. -83 means 360 - 83 = 277 degree 277
dgrs is the position of the star of Shravan. So Jupiter was in
conjugation with Shravan. The span of Shravan is 280 deg. to 293 deg.

Calculations from 1989, 1932 and 1977 show Jupiter in 285 and 281
degrees or in the zone of Shravan. This confirms the position told by
Vyas.

MARS

Mars takes 1.88089 years per rotation. On 16th October 1979, Mars was at
108 dgrs. 1979 + 5561 = 7540 yrs. 7540 divided by 1.88089 gives
4008.7405 turns. 0.7405 turns means 266 dgrs., Mars was 266 dgrs behind
the original position of 108 deg. 108 - 266 = 158. 360 - 158 = 202 deg.
This is just beyond the star of Vishakha which is at 200 dgrs. Though in
Vishakha-zone Mars has crossed the Star of Vishakha and intends to go in
Anuradha, so the description of Vyas as "Anurad- ham Prarthayate" that
it requests or appeals Anuradha, appears to be correct.

Calculations from 1962 and 1900 show Mars at 206 and' 208 dgrs and
therefore though in Vishakha, it can be called as appealing Anuradha
"Anuradham Prarthayate". Thus it is seen that Vyas has used tricky but
correct terms. He has not written any false statement because he was the
Truth-abiding Sage.

HELIOCENTRIC AND GEOCENTRIC

Here an expert may raise a question whether I have used Heliocentric
method or Geocentric method. I make it clear here that I have used the
Heliocentric method that means I have considered the rotations of
planets around the Sun. But after fixing the position of the planet
around the Sun I have also seen where that planet will be seen from the
earth.

I would like the scholars to consider one more point here. When I say
that an insect is sitting near one o' clock position on your watch or
clock, one may think that the insect is between 12 and 1 while other may
think that it is between 1 and 2. So the span to find that insect is
from 12 to 2. Similarly Vyas has mentioned the Nakshatra in the vicinity
of the planet and therefore we have a scope of one Nakshatra on either
side to find out the planet. Thus if our answer is between +13 deg. and
-13 deg. from the given position we are successful. In my calculations I
have achieved the perfect positions, but by chance, somebody gets a
different position he is requested to consider a span of -,+ 13 degrees.
The positions given by otheer scholars are far away than the positions
recorded by Vyas, so they are not acceptable.

I request the scholars, to be careful while doing calculations not to
take a retrograde position of the present planet, because that may give
a false position. Please note that all the planets become retro- grade
only apparently when our earth is approaching them. We need not consider
their retrograde motion each year because their rotational periods
around the Sun are fixed and in that they are seen retrograde from the
earth apparently. We have to see if the last position of the planet is
retrograde. This can be done easily by considering the position of the
Sun and planet. Any external planet becomes retrograde when it is in the
house from 5th to 9th from the Sun.

LEAP YEAR

Please note that i have taken 365.25 days for a solar year. It covers
the general leap years, but it does not take into account the leap years
abandoned at centuries. At the interval of 400 years leap years are
taken according to the modern scientific calendar. If these cen- tury
years are considered, there may be an error of 50 days in 7500 years
duration. As for dates these 50 days are automatically accounted for
because we have taken the winter solstice as fixed on 22nd December, and
it is referred by Vyas, while describing Bhishma's death. As far as the
planets like Saturn, Rahu and Jupiter are con- cerned 50 days are
immaterial because in 50 days the Saturn will move only 1.6 deg. while
Jupiter 4.1 deg. as an average. Hence their error is negligible.

Now, we have seen that all the four important planets satisfy their
positions as told by Vyas on 16th October 5562nd B.C. Hence we have no
other way but to accept this date as the exact date of Mahabharat War.

Please note that, so far, not a single Scholar has shown a date with the
planetary positions satisfying the description by Vyas in Mahabharat.
Late Mr. C. V. Vaidya and Prof. Apte show 3102 B.C., but their Mars is
in Ashadha, Jupiter is in Revati, Saturn in Shatataraka and Rahu in
Jeshtha. Prof. K. Shrinivasraghavan, Mr. Sam- pat Ayangar and Sheshagiri
show 3067 B.C. but they put Jupiter and Saturn in Rohini and Sun, Rahu,
Mars in Jeshtha. Garga, Varahmihir and Tarangini show 2526 Before Shaka
i.e. 2449 B.C. But their Mars comes in Dhanishtha, Jupiter and Saturn in
Bharani and Rahu in Hasta. P.C. Sengupta gives 2448 with Saturn 356
deg., Jupiter 8 deg., Mars 157 deg., Venus 200 deg., Sun 200 deg.,
(Ancient Indian chronology" Calcutta University). The Western scholars
as well as Romeshchandra Datta and S. B. Roy show 1424 B.C. but their
Saturn is in Shata- taraka, Jupiter in Chitra, Rahu in Purva and Sun in
Anuradha with no eclipse. Billandi Ayer shows 1193 years B.C. but his
Mars comes in Mula, Jupiter in Purva Bhadrapada, Saturn in Purva Ashadha
and Rahu in Punarvasu. At 900 B.C. as is proposed by many other
scholars, Jupiter comes in Mula, Rahu in Vishakha and Saturn in Jeshtha.
Thus not a single scholar could coroborate his date with the facts
written by Vyas.Hence, their dates have to be dismissed. (C. V. Vaidya's
Upasamhar page 94." Age of Mahabharat War").

I have shown all the planetary positions correct to the description of
Mahabharat. In addition I have shown that the seasons tally with my
date, and the seasons never tally with other dates. I have solved all
the planetary riddles from Mahabharat which nobody could dare. So 16th
October 5562nd BC. is the exact date of the first day of the Mahabharat
War. At the beginning of the War, Vyas promised Dhrutarashtra that he
will write history of the Kauravas; so most probably Vyas must have
written the Astronomical data immediately.

URANUS (known to Vyas in 5561 B.C)

All the planets, viz., Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and Rahu
show correct positions mentioned in the Mahabharat on 16th December 5561
B.C. This must be the exact date of the Mahabharat War. After
pin-pointing the exact date, it struck to me that the three additional
planets mentioned with positions by Vyas, may be Uranus, Neptune and
Pluto. Vyas has named them as Shveta, Shyama and Teevra. Let us see if
the conjecture is correct. We have to prove this with the help of
Mathematics, because we have to go scientifically.

Vishesheena hi Vaarshneya Chitraam Pidayate Grahah....[10-Udyog.143]
Shevtograhastatha Chitraam Samitikryamya Tishthati....[12-Bheeshma.3]

In these two stanzas, Vyas states that some greenish white (Shveta)
planet has crossed Chitra. This means that the planet was in Swati (or
Vishakha, because Chitra and Swati are close together). This is the
Sayan position hence Nirayan position is eight Nakshatras ahead in
Shravan (or Dhanishtha). Neelakantha calls this "Mahapata" which means
having greater orbit. Greater orbit indicates a planet beyond Saturn.
Hence I assumed Shveta to be Uranus. Let us calculate and see if this
true.

In October 1979, Uranus was at 206 degrees. Uranus takes 84.01 years per
rotation. 1979 + 5561 = 7540. 7540/84.01 = 89.75122 turns. 0.75122
rotation means 270.4392 degrees. 206-270 = -64 = 296 degrees. This comes
in the zone of Dhanishtha, but the star of Dhanishtha is at 297 degrees,
so the position given by Vyas is confirmed. Hence Shveta must be Uranus.

In October 1883, Uranus was at 151 degrees. 1883 + 5561 = 7444 years.
7444/84.01 = 86.608498 rotations. 0.608498 turn means 219 degrees.
151-219 = 292 degrees. This is Shravan Nakshatra. So Uranus was in
Shravan during Mahabharat War as stated by Vyas under the name of
"Shveta".

1930 calculations show Uranus to be at 292.54 degrees or Shravan. Thus
our mathematics proves that Vyas has given correct position of Uranus
under the name of Shveta. This proves that Vyas had the knowledge of
Uranus under the name of Shveta, supposed to have recently discovered by
Herschel in 1781. Shveta means greenish white. Uranus is actually
greenish white in colour. So Vyas must have seen Uranus with this own
eyes. Uranus is of 6th magnitude and is visible to the naked eye
according to the modern science.

Neelakantha of 17th century also had the knowledge of Uranus or Shveta.
He writes in his commentary on Mahabharat (Udyog 143) that Shveta, or
Mahapata was a famous planet in the Astronomical science of India.
Neelakantha was about 100 years before Herschel, who sup- posedly
discovered Uranus. So we can conclude that one hundred before Herschel,
Uranus was known to the Indian Astronomers and Vyas had discovered it at
or before 5561 year B.C.

NEPTUNE (was known to Vyas in 5561 B.C.)

In 1781 A.D., Herschel discovered Uranus; but its calculated positions
never corroborated with the actual positions. So the experts thought of
another planet beyond Uranus. They fixed its position by mathemat- ics,
and at that site, it was discovered by German Astronomers in 1846 A.D. I
have found that Neptune is also mentioned by Vyas in Mahabharat, under
the name of "Shyama".

Shukrahah Prosthapade Poorve Samaruhya Virochate Uttare tu Parikramya
Sahitah Samudikshyate....[15-Bheeshma.3] Shyamograhah Prajwalitah
Sadhooma iva Pavakah Aaindram Tejaswi Naksha- tram Jyesthaam Aakramya
Tishthati...[16-Bheeshma.3]

Here Vyas says that there was some luminary with Venus in Poorva Bha-
drapada. He adds further that a bluish white (Shyama) planet was in
Jyeshtha and it was smoky (Sadhoom). Saayan Jyeshta means Nirayan Poorva
Bhadrapada, so this is the description of one and the same planet named
by Vyas as Shyama. Neelkantha calls it "Parigha" in his commentary on
Mahabharat. Parigha means circumference, so this planet may be at the
circumference of our solar system.; and so may be Nep- tune. Let us see
by Mathematics is this statement is true. We will determine the position
of Neptune on 16th December 5561 B.C.

Neptune takes 164.78 years per rotation. It was at 234 degrees in 1979.
1979 + 5561 = 7540 years. 7540 divided by 164.78 gives 45.75798
rotations. 0.75798 turn means 272.87 degrees. 234 - 272.87 = -38.87 =
321.13 degrees. This is the site of Poorva Bhadrapada. So Neptune was in
Poorva-Bhadrapada during 5561 B.C.

In 1948, Neptune was at 172 degres. 1948 + 5561 = 7509. 7509/164.78
gives 45.56985 turns. 0.56985 turn means 205 degrees. 172-205 = -33
=360-33 = 327 deg. This is the zone of Poorva Bhadrapada.

In 1879, Neptune was at 20 degrees. 1879 + 5561 = 7440 years. 7440
divided by 164.78 gives 45.15111 turns. 0.15111 turn means 54.39 deg. 20
- 54.39 = -34.39 = 360 - 34.39 = 325.61 degrees. This is Poorva-
Bhadrapada.

Thus the position of Shyama or Parigha is factually proved in the case
of Neptune. Thus, we conclude that Vyas did know Neptune too. Vyas might
have got his knowledge by Yogic Power or by Mathematics or by using
telescopic lenses. Mathematics was far advanced then, that is why
ancient Indian sages fixed the rate of precession of Equinoxes
accurately. Even the world famous scientist Gamov praised the sages for
their remarkable work in Mathematics. So could have mathematically
calculated the position of Shyama or Neptune.

Mirrors are mentioned in the Mahabharat. So lenses too might have been
present at that time. They had Microscopic Vision (Shanti A. 15,308). As
microscopic vision was present, there might be telescopes too. Planets
can be seen with mirrors as well as lenses. Vyas must have "seen"
Neptune; its proof lies in the fact that he says that it is bluish white
(Shyama). Neptune is, in fact, bluish white in colour. Hence we conclude
that Neptune was known to Vyas in 5561 B.C.

PLUTO (was also known to Vyas in 5561 B.C)

Krittikaam Peedayan Teekshnaihi Nakshatram......[30-Bheeshma.3]

Vyas states that there was one Nakshatra, i.e, some immobile liminary
troubling Krittika (Pleides) with its sharp rays. This "star" in Krit-
tika must have been some "planet". It must have been stationary for many
years, that is why Vyas called it Nakshatra which means a thing that
does not move according to Mahabharat itself [Na Ksharati Iti
Makshatram].

Hence the Nakshatra was a planet moving very slowly like pluto which
takes nine years to cross one Nakshatra of 13 degrees. My assumption
that this Nakshatra was Pluto gets confirmed by B.O.R.I (Bhandarkar
Oriental Research Institute?) Edition which states thus :

Krittikasu Grahasteevro Nakshatre Prathame Jvalan...... [26- Bhishma.3]

Some editions mention 'Grahasteekshnah'. Thus Teevra, Teekshana and
Nakshatra are the names of one and the same planet (graha) which was in
Krittlka in 5561 B.C. Let us see if Vyas has given these names to Pluto
and if Pluto was in Krittika. It is stated that Krittika was troubled
with sharp rays by that planet - this indicates that it was Nirayan
Krittiika.

Pluto was at 175 degrees in 1979. It takes 248 years per rotation.
1979+5561=7540 years. 7540 divided by 248 gives 30.403223 turns.
0.403223 turn means 145 degrees. 175 - 145 = 30 degrees. This is the
site of Krittika. Thus it is proved beyond doubt that Vyas bas men-
tioned the position of Pluto, which was discovered to the modern world
in 1930. Vyas could have used his Yogic Vision or mathematical brain or
a lens or some other device to discover Teevra, Teekshna' or Nakshatra
or Pluto.

Thus all the three so-called 'New' planets are discovered from
Mahabharat. It is usually held that before the discovery of Herschel in
1781 AD, only five planets were known to the world. This belief is wrong
because Vyas has mentioned 'seven Great planets', three times in
Mahabharat.

Deepyamanascha Sampetuhu Divi Sapta Mahagrahah....[2-Bhishma.17]

This stanza states that the seven great planets were brilliant and
shining; so Rahu and Ketu are out of question. Rahu and Ketu are
described as Graha' 23 meaning Nodal points. (Parus means a node).
Evidently Rahu and Ketu are not included in these seven great planets.
The Moon also is not included, because it was not visible on that day of
Amavasya with Solar Eclipse. From the positions discovered by me and
given by Vyas it is seen that Mars, Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Uranus, Venus
and Neptune were the seven great planets accumulated in a small field
extending from Anuradha to Purva Bhadrapada. So they appeared to
Ved-Vyas as colliding with each other, during total solar eclipse.

Nissaranto Vyadrushanta Suryaat Sapta Mahagrahah....[4-Karna 37].

This stanza clearly states that these seven great planets were 'seen'
moving away from the Sun. As these are 'seen', Rahu and Ketu are out of
question. This is the statement of sixteenth day of the War, naturally
the Moon has moved away from the Sun. Hence, Moon, Mars, Mercury,
Jupiter, Uranus, Venus and Neptune are the seven great planets mentioned
by Vyas.

Praja Samharane Rajan Somam Sapta grahah Iva......[22-Drona 37].

Here again seven planets are mentioned, excluding the Moon.

Even if we do not consider the planetary positions, from the above three
stanzas, it is clear that seven planets are mentioned which do not
include the Sun, Moon, Rahu and Ketu. Naturally the conclusion is
inevitable that Vyas did know Uranus (Shveta) and Neptune (Shyama) as
planets.

If they were known from 5561 years B.C. then why they got forgotten ?
The answer is simple, that these two planets, Uranus and Neptune were
not useful in predicting the future of a person. So they lost impor-
tance and in the course of time they were totally forgotten. But, in any
case, Neelakantha from 17th century knew these two planets very weIl.
Neelakantha is about a hundered years ancient than Her- schel, and he
writes that Mahapata (Uranus) is a famous planet in the Astronomical
science of India. He also mentions the planet 'Parigha' i.e. Neptune. 22
So both were known in India, at least one Hundered years before
Herschel. Vyas is 7343 years ancient than Herschel, but still he knew
all the three planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

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[Psycho]

ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE
Kshaya or Vishvaghasra Paksha

A fortnight of only thirteen days is told by Vyasa which occured just
before the great War. Such a fortnight comes at the interval of 22
years. Calculations show that at 5562nd B.C. Kshaya Paksha did occur. It
had occured 1962 and 1940. 1962+5562 = 7524 is completely divisi- ble by
22.

Amavasya confirmed

Krishna and Karna fixed the day of War on Amavasya (Udyog 142). Vyas
also indicates in Bhishma 2 & 3 that the War started on the day second
Amayasya, because two successive Amavasyas appeared then. Bhishma died
on the day after 67 (58+9) nights from the onset of the War, on the
occasion Uttarayan i.e. 22nd December. So the War must have commenced on
16th October. Let us see if Amavasya comes on this day.

In 1979, Amavasya was on 21st of October. Amavasyas repeat after the
intervals of 29.53058 days. The Lunar year is of 354.367 days while the
Solar year is 365.25 days. 1979+5561 = 7540 multiplied by 365.25 and
divided by 354.367 gives 7771.5616 Lunar years. 0.5616 Lunar year means
199.0125 days. 199.0125 divided by 29.53058 gives 6.7392005. This
indicates that 6 Amavasyas are completed and 0.7392005 lunar month or 22
days are left. These 22 days are left for 21st October and we have to go
behind upto 16th October. So adding these 6 days to 22 we get 28 days.
After 28 days Amavasya can occur. After 29 days it always occurs. Thus
on 15th and 16th October 5562nd year B.C, there were two successive
amavasyas as mentioned by Vyas.

Another method gives the same conclusion. At the interval of 19 years
the Amavasya falls on the same date. 19x365.25 divided by 29.53058 gives
235.00215. So in 19 years 235 Amavasya are completed. I found that on
17th October 1963, there was an Amavasya. 1963+5561 = 7524 divided by 19
gives 396. This division is complete, so there was an Amavasya. Thus it
is established that Vyas has reported Amavasya correctly.

Eclipses

Vyas has mentioned that there was Solar as well as Lunar eclipses in one
month at the time of Mahabharat War. Calculations confirm that in
October 5561 year B.C, both the Solar and Lunar eclipses did occur. Rahu
and Ketu were in Uttara Ashadha at 273 deg. & 279 deg. so total eclipse
of the Sun took place on the Margashirsha Amavasya day Only 13 days
earlier, according to Vyasa, there was Pournirma with lunar eclipse,
causing pallor of the Moon. Thirteen days earlier the sun would have
been 13 deg. behind at (279 - 13 =) 266 in Purva Ashadha. It was
Pournima so the Moon was diagonally opposite at (266-180=) 86 deg. in
Punarvasu, just beyond Mruga, so it was Margashirsha Pournima though it
is wrongly or enigmatically told to be Kartika Pournima. Rahu was at 273
deg., so Ketu was diagonally opposite in Punarvasu, so the ellipse of
the moon was possible which was not total.

A Big comet

Vyas has mentioned that at the time of Mahabharat War a big comet was
seen just beyond Pushya Nakshtra. There are many comets. Indian Astro-
nomical works refer to more than 500 comets, but big comets are very
few. Haley's comet is one of the big comets which comes at the regu- lar
intervals of 77 years. It was seen in 1910 and 1987. If we add 1910+5561
= 7271. 7271 is divisible completely by 77. Evidently it seems that it
was Haley's comet was seen at the Mahabharat War.

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Conclusion

All the twelve planets confirm their said positions on 16th October 5561
years B.C. along with two Amavasyas, two eclipses, Kshaya Paksha and a
Comet. Thus, in all 18 mathematical positions fix the same date.
Therefore, we have to accept this date of the Mahabharat War, if we want
to be scientific. Please note that all the twelve planets will come in
the same positions again only after 2229 crores of years. That means it
will never happen again in the life of our earth, because life of the
earth is only 400 crores of years. So the date of the Mahabharat War is
pin-pointed as 16th October 5561 B.C.

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APPENDIX

Hereunder is provided a short table dates of important Mahabharat events
in years. (Dates and Tithis in years in Rama Samvat assuming Shri Rama
Samvat 1st January. 1 equivalent to 1st Jan 7323 B.C. Rama's birth date
has been conclusively proved to be 4th Dec. 7323 B.C.( "Vastav
Ramayan").

EVENT DATE

Going to forest 4th Sept. 5574 BC

Kitmeet Killed 7th Sept. 5574 BC

Going underground 19th May 5562 BC

Keechak killed 1st April 5561 BC

Anukeechak-Massacre 2nd April 5561 BC

End of secret life 9th April 5561 BC

Cows stolen 15th April 5561 BC

Arjuna exposed 16th April 5561 BC

All pandavas exposed 19th April 5561 BC

Marriage of Uttara 4th May.
& Abhimanyu.

Krishna set out for a treaty. 27th Sept.

Stay at Upaplavya 27th Sept.

Stay at Vrukshthala 28th Sept.

Dinner to Brahmins 29th Sept.

Entry into Hastinapur 30th Sept.

Krishna meets Kunti etc. 1st Oct.

Invited for meeting 2nd Oct.

First meeting 3rd Oct.

Second meeting and an attempt 4th Oct.
to arrest Krishna.

Third meeting Vishvaroopa 7th Oct.

Stay at Kunti 8th Oct.

Krishna meets Karna. War 9th Oct.
fixed.

Krishna returns 9th Oct.

Pandavas preparation 11th Oct.
Balaram's visit.

Mahabharat war started 16th Oct.

Abhimanyu killed 28th Oct. 5561 BC.

End of War 2nd November 5561 B.C.

Yudhishthira crowned 16th Nov. 5551 BC.

Bhishma expired 22nd Dec. 5561 BC

Pandava campaign 15th Jan. 5560 BC
for wealth

Parikshita born 28th Jan. 5560 BC

Pandavas return 25th Feb. 5560 BC

Ashvamedh Deeksha. 1st March 5560 BC

Return of Arjuna Horse 15th Jan. 5560 BC

Ashvamedh yajna 22nd Feb. 5559 BC

Dhrutarashtra went to forest 18th Aug. 5545 BC

Pandavas visited Kunti 18th Aug. 5543 BC
Vidura expired

Death of Kunti, Dhrutarashtra, Sept./Oct. 5541 BC
and Gandhari

Yadava Massacre 5525 B.C.

Parikshit Dead 5499 B.C.

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References

P.V.Vartak, Swayambhu (in Marathi), Ved Vidnyana Mandal, Pune

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Since last many years, I have trust in the dating of Mahabharata war by Prof. Vartak.

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