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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2008, 07:38:44 am »








The Pyrenees

The Pyrenees Mountain area is home to a unique group of people who are called the Basques. In an article about the Basques, Robert Laxalt writes:

 
The seven regions of the Basque
 

They call themselves Euskaldunak, their country Euskal-Herria their language Euskara. Their little homeland, once much larger in size, straddles the crest of the western Pyrenees between France and Spain. It is land of deep oak forests, green mountain valleys and the rugged seacoasts of the Bay of Biscay. In size it is barely a hundred miles across and in numbers they claim some three million inhabitants. The Basques are easy to define geographically, but impossible to account for historically. Where they came from nobody knows. Evidently they wandered into the Pyrenees millennia ago. It was in matters of language and blood type that scientists came to the conclusion that the Basques were a distinct people totally unrelated to the Indo-Europeans who dominated the rest of Europe.


Philologists and linguists still searching for language links have come to dead ends in their attempts to find anything but tenuous connections with Celtic, Old Egyptian, Berber, the languages of the Caucasus, Japanese and even Iroquois Indian.24

Even though the linguistic links are described as “tenuous” they seem to be the only links that exist. Laxalt notes that their “homeland was once much larger in size”. With their unique language and association with the ancient cave art in the surrounding area, the Basque seem to be from a different time and culture. Just how old is difficult to say.  A recent study, using the latest genetic techniques, and using conservative models for estimating the age of genetic markers (alleles) unique to the Basque, show their age may be over 30,000 years old.25 I wonder what age they would have arrived at with a more liberal model. Some of their results26 are tabulated below:
 







 

Table 5.  Estimated Ages for Some Basque-Specific Alleles
   

Alleles Number of
copies each  Age
(years) Confidence
Interval
(years)


t8.39 t8.56 t10.23 t11.43 t11.61
t11.76 t11.115 t11.129 t12.33 t12.44
t12.65 t12.77 t12.92 t17.6   
 2 15,079 (3,720-28,240)
t8.51 t11.37 t11.143 t12.39 t12.72
 3 17,805 (8,860-30,360)
  t12.57 t14.01   
 4 19,441 (11,260-31,700)
  t8.63 t12.21   
 5 20,554 (12,900-32,760)
    t8.45     
 6 21,442 (14,100-33,580) 
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Their homeland being much larger at one time could also explain their close genetic relationship to Spaniards. Other genetic data that apparently identified Basques from surrounding populations were mostly based on blood groups. Although the Basque have the highest percentage of type “O negative” blood and the lowest type B of any population in the world, many of the surrounding areas of western Europe have a similarly high negative rh and low B group phenotype which may indicate that the Basque once inhabited these areas. Although they share similar blood types with some surrounding populations one study of the Basques concluded:


The main underlying cause of this spatial genetic pattern seems to be admixture with surrounding populations. Our results do not support the hypothesis that Basques are a relict population of ancient Europeans. They might be a consequence of the colonization of the Basque area by a long-distance migrating group.27


Is the migrating group that colonized the Basque area now considered “long-distance” because their original homeland is nowhere to be found? Some of these other similar surrounding blood group populations are completely off the continent, namely the old Celtic-speaking groups of Ireland and Wales. In a study of the genetic make-up of people living on the British Isles it was discovered that the Celtic speaking areas (Welsh and Irish) were closely related genetically to the Basque. In part they state,


The Y chromosome complements of Basque- and Celtic-speaking populations are strikingly similar. Haplotype 1.15 is also modal in the Basques and constitutes 41% of the sample, rising to 56% for the cluster of one-step neighbors. We call this the Atlantic modal haplotype (AMH)… We know of no other study, that provides direct evidence of a close relationship in the paternal heritage of the Basque- and the Celtic-speaking populations of Britain. In fact, treating Orkney as a single population, all pairwise comparisons of hg distributions between the populations included here are significantly different except for those within the Atlantic group Welsh, Irish, and Basques none of which are distinguishable, showing that they form a Y-chromosome community with members more closely related to one another than they are to the other European populations…. It should be noted that Basque-Celtic similarity not only implies that Basque- and Celtic-speaking populations derive from common paternal ancestors, but that genetic drift in these communities has not been sufficiently great to differentiate them. 28


While the British Isles are not specifically mentioned in reading 364-3 it would not take too much of a stretch in the imagination to see that Morocco, the Pyrenees and the Wales/Ireland area to be lands that were very near to what once could have been considered the east coast of Atlantis.   
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Yucatan and British Honduras (Belize)


From the map below, one can see from the brown shaded area that the Mayan civilization was in the same general area where Reading 364-3 stated there should be some evidence of Atlantis.
 

 


 

 

The later northward migration mentioned in some of the readings would seem to refer to the Aztec civilization (green shading) and eventually lead to the Mound Builders of America. Reading 3528-1 sheds some light on this subject:

The entity was among those of the second generation of Atlanteans who struggled northward from Yucatan, settling in what is now a portion of Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio; being among those of the earlier period known as Mound Builders.

From reading 5750-1, we read of Iltar and ten followers from the House of Atlan, on the island of Poseidia, that last Atlantean island to sink beneath the waves some 11,900 years ago:

The first temples that were erected by Iltar and his followers were destroyed at the period of change physically in the contours of the land. That now being found, and a portion already discovered that has laid in waste for many centuries, was then a combination of those peoples from Mu, Oz and Atlantis.

Hence, these places partook of the earlier portions of that peoples called the Incal; though the Incals were themselves the successors of those of Oz, or Og, in the Peruvian land, and Mu in the southern portions of that now called California and Mexico and southern New Mexico in the United States.

 

It is interesting to note that the Navajo Indians are the only other tribe west of the Great Lakes (except for the Sioux in the Dakota area) to have a few members (6.5%) in haplogroup X and are located in New Mexico (see Table 1).

While archeological sites literally cover the Yucatan peninsula, Mayan ruins are obviously not linked to Atlantis because there is no Atlantis to link it to. Although ancient pyramid builders were on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean it is perceived by mainstream archeologists as a “coincidence”. About the only statement that can be made about the Yucatan area is that it is obvious that some ancient people built an advanced civilization there that lasted for thousands of years. Again, no one knows where they came from. 
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                                                    Bimini and the Bahamas






EC: Yes, we have the land known as Bimini, in the Atlantic Ocean. In the formation of the land, we find this of the nature that would make the oil production very low, for this is of the coral structure in the greater part, but this is the highest portion left above the waves of once a great continent, upon which the civilization as now exists in the world's history found much of that as would be used as means for attaining that civilization.

996-1 (8/14/26)

It is somewhat surprising that there seems to be very little evidence of Atlantis on Bimini. The “Bimini Wall” seems to be composed of beach rock.29 No temple of the Poseidians has been located nearby as one reading suggests. Of course that doesn’t mean it wasn’t part of Atlantis, just nothing has been found to prove it. If we read 364-3 closely however, it does not actually state that evidence of Atlantis will be found here but that the British West Indies or the Bahamas and Bimini were “some protruding portions within this that must have at one time or another been a portion of this great continent.” It may have been a statement made to further clarify where Atlantis was once located as opposed to where evidence of its existence might still be located. As we search the Caribbean area, the only place that has made any “waves” is Zelitsky’s discovery of apparent megalithic structures off the coast of Cuba. (see THC article). Until these are fully explored (Cuban permit and financial concerns are holding things up) we cannot say much about them, but it is reported that one of the rock samples brought up from the structures was polished granite which is not indigenous to the area. If this is true, then something important may have been discovered and hopefully a full scientific exploration of the area could be organized.
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                                                          Conclusion





When checking the Cayce readings on Atlantis, a surprisingly high correlation is found between the readings and the scientific inferences and/or observations produced in this article. Since much of the evidence can be interpreted in various ways, the readings’ story of Atlantis cannot be scientifically dismissed out of hand. In fact, I believe I have shown that the readings are to a large extent validated by scientific observations.

There is much about our history that is based on conjecture and hypothesis. The further back that we travel into antiquity, the less certain science seems to be. Indeed, the various psychic sources channeled by Edgar Cayce may yet turn out to be better guides to our pre-history than science itself, for many years to come.
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Amplification of this sentence seems to be found in the following short note found in "Are The Readings’ “Monstrosities” Of Atlantean Days Represented By The Prehistoric “Composite” Beings Of Ancient Bone Carvings And Rock Art?" <back>

Maurice Ewing, “Exploring the Mid-Atlantic Ridge,” National Geographic, (1948) 94:3, <back>

Maurice Ewing, “New Discoveries on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge,” National Geographic, (1949), 96:5, <back>

Ewing, op. cit., p. 279 <back>

Ibid., p. 288 <back>

Ibid., p. 288 <back>

Ibid., p. 288 <back>

Ibid., p. 291 <back>

Ibid., p. 291 <back>

Ibid., p. 292 <back>

Ewing, op. cit., p. 613 <back>

Ibid., p. 613 <back>

Ibid. p. 614 <back>

Brown et al, “mtDNA Haplogroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North America?”  Am. J. Hum. Genet., 63:1852-1861, 1998<back>

Ibid. <back>

Derenko et al, “The Presence of Mitochondrial Haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia”,
Am. J. Hum. Genet., 69:237-241, 2001 <back>

Ibid.  <back>

Gomez-Casado et al, “HLA Genes in Moroccans”, Tissue Antigens, (2000):55; 239-249 <back>

 Chaabani H, Cox DW., “Genetic characterization and origin of Tunisian Berbers”, Hum Hered 1988;38(5):308-16 <back>

 A. Arnaiz-Villena et al, “HLA Allele and Haplotype Frequency in Algerians-Relatedness to Spaniards and Basques”, Human Immunology 43, 259-268 (1995)<back>

 Ibid. p.267<back>

R. Cedric Leonard, Ph.D., Quest For Atlantis (New York: Manor Books, 1979) <back> 

Ibid. p. 9 <back>

Robert Laxalt, “The Indomitable Basques”, National Geographic, (1985), 168:1, 69 <back>

Santos Alonso, and John A.L. Armour, “MS205 Minisatellite Diversity in Basques: Evidence for a Pre-Neolithic Component”, Genome Research, Vol. 8, Issue 12, 1289-1298, December 1998 <back>

Ibid. p.1296 <back>

 Calderon R. et al, “Immunoglobulin allotypes (GM and KM) in Basques from Spain: approach to the origin of the Basque population”, Hum Biol, (1998 Aug) 70(4):667-98 <back>

 Wilson JF et al, “Genetic evidence for different male and female roles during cultural transitions in the British Isles”, Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA. 2001 April 24; 98 (9): 5078–5083<back>

 McKusick, M., and Shinn, E.A., “Bahamian Atlantis Reconsidered,” Nature (1980) 287:11-12<back>


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                  ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE FOR THE ATLANTIS OF THE EDGAR CAYCE READINGS





                                                          Introduction





This article complements the previous article, Evidence for Atlantis, by Hutton Commentaries subscriber, Norman Scherer.

Two extracts from one of the readings in the Atlantis series state that 

….while the destruction of this [Atlantean] continent and the peoples are far beyond any of that as has been kept as an absolute record, that record in the rocks still remains….[emphasis added by Hutton]
 

The position as the continent Atlantis occupied, is that as between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand - and the Mediterranean upon the other.  Evidences of this lost civilization are to be found in the Pyrenees and Morocco on the one hand, British Honduras, Yucatan and America upon the other.  There are some protruding portions within this that must have at one time or another been a portion of this great continent.  The British West Indies or the Bahamas, and a portion of same that may be seen in the present - if the geological survey would be made in some of these - especially, or notably, in Bimini and in the Gulf Stream through this vicinity, these may be even yet determined.
364-3; February 16, 1932 
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There were really only two methods available to investigate the “record in the rocks” at the time of the reading in 1932. The first was to take rock cores by drilling on land (“in Bimini”); the second was to dredge from ships to recover exposed rocks from the steep cliff wall on the edge of the Gulf Stream off the west coast of Bimini.

Thus, from the perspective of the source of reading 354-3, it seems that these 1932-vintage methods for verifying the reality of Atlantis could have been most effective only at Bimini. It was there that this source recommended rock sampling that might in some way reveal the presence of former Atlantis.1

Since 1932, deep-sea-floor rock-coring and dredge-haul sampling techniques have been greatly improved. Several nations now routinely investigate the ocean floor record in the rocks from specially outfitted ships operating globally. Thus, because the field of ocean floor rock investigation has widened dramatically, new interpretations of Earth’s history are brought forward ever more rapidly. We will look here at one area of the Atlantic Ocean floor that seems to provide evidence of sinking “of the southernmost portion” of the Atlantean continent. (See 364-6 below).
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                       Approximate Boundaries of Atlantis Some 100,000-Plus Years Ago





Here are two reading extracts that bear upon the boundaries of Atlantis. We will use their information, together with that in 364-3 above, to plot the outline of Atlantis at the time of an individual named Amilius.

In the period, then - some hundred, some ninety-eight thousand years before the entry of Ram2 into India there lived in this land of Atlantis one Amilius, who had first NOTED that of the separations of the beings as inhabited that portion of the earth's sphere or plane of those peoples into male and female as separate entities, or individuals.

364-3; February 16, 1932

I am not a student of East Indian ancient history. My impression from the scant reading I’ve done, however, is that the latest that an “entry of Ram into India” could have occurred is about 3500 years ago, with the entry of Aryan tribes into the country. This is known as the Aryan invasion. But this particular individual, Ram, could have come to India far earlier, in an entry either peaceful or warlike. Thus the “time of Amilius,” mentioned in 364-6 below, would have been at minimum about 100,000 years ago.

Q) How large was Atlantis during the time of Amilius?

[100,000-plus years ago]?

A) Comparison, that of Europe including Asia in Europe - not Asia, but Asia in Europe - see? This composed, as seen, in or after the first of the destructions [about 19,400 years ago; see Table 1], that which would be termed now - with the present position - the southernmost portion of same - islands as created by those of the first (as man would call) volcanic or eruptive forces brought into play in the destruction of same.

364-6; February 17, 1932

That [westernmost portion of Atlantis] along the Atlantic board formed the outer portion then, or the lowlands of Atlantis.

364-13; November 17, 1932
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All of the boundary information from readings 364-4 and 364-13 must be integrated with that of 364-3 above, as further constrained by the approximate boundaries of “Europe including Asia in Europe - not Asia, but Asia in Europe.”

Using a Webster’s Geographical Dictionary, published by Merriam in 1949, I followed the word description for the boundary of Europe on page 347, and the maps found on Plates X and XI. I learned that the operative boundary specifications for Europe include the far northern islands of Novaya Zemlya, Kolguev, and Svalbard. Also, the eastern boundary of Europe is the Ural Mountains, the Ural River and the Caspian Sea.

Turkey in Asia is, obviously, not considered part of Europe, whereas Turkey in Europe is considered to be.3   The islands and peninsulas of the Mediterranean Sea are part of Europe. The most southerly point of Europe is in Spain, at 36º 2’ N.

I placed a piece of tracing paper on my globe and traced the outline of Europe. Then I cut out the tracing and transferred it to the Atlantic Ocean part of the globe. The cutout fit comfortably into the north Atlantic basin without overlapping adjacent lands anywhere. After marking the boundary of the “European Atlantis” cutout on the globe, I added some “protruding portions” for the Bahamas and southern Atlantis. Then, after expanding the boundary of the legendary island to the 2000-fathom (12,000 ft) depth contour adjacent to the continents, I got the approximate boundary of Atlantis shown on Figure 1.
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I assumed that, just as the Bahamas were said to have been at one time a part of the Atlantean continent (364-3),  so also might one expect that the Madeira, Canary, and Cape Verde islands had also once been part of Atlantis.

And so also might portions of the equatorial Mid-Atlantic Ridge and surrounding areas once have been “- with the present position - the southernmost portion of same [Atlantis].” Note that the phrase, “with the present position” (in 364-6), clearly implies that a shift of Earth’s rotational axis brought Atlantis, as well as planet Earth, to its present orientation in space. This is important because, as we shall see, six scientists working with the record of the rocks in the equatorial Atlantic require a pole shift to explain 1) a shift in the location of an ocean trench, and 2) how crustal blocks were once uplifted or submerged there.
 


Fig. 1.  Approximate outer limits of Atlantis at its greatest extent.  Vertical-stripe pattern indicates “protruding portions within this [Atlantis] that must have at one time or another been a portion” of the legendary lost continent.  MAR = Mid-Atlantic Ridge; FZ = fracture zone. 
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                             Formerly Emerging Crustal Blocks In The Equatorial Atlantic





The above heading is the same as the title of a paper published in 1981 in the journal Tectonophysics. Enrico Bonatti, of Columbia University and the Marine Geology Laboratory in Bologna, Italy, and Andy Chermak, of the University of Miami, are the authors. The National Science Foundation (NSF) and the Office of Naval Research (ONR) sponsored their work, and it was carried out on the Romanche fracture zone shown on Figure 2.
 

 

 
Fig. 2.  Schematic representation of the structural pattern associated with the Romanche and other equatorial Atlantic fracture zones.  SPSP = St. Peter/St. Paul islets.  DSDP 25 = Deep Sea Drilling Project, sea-floor boring no. 25.  Solid black triangle indicates sites where shallow water limestones were recovered.  Modified from Fig. 1 of Bonatti and Chermak.

 

Among the results of their study, Bonatti and Chermak identified a strip of sea floor over 300 miles in length along the Romanche fracture zone (FZ) that is anomalously shallow by at least six-tenths of a mile relative to predicted depths. They suggest that the sea-floor high spots are capped by carbonate banks representing stages when they reached close to, and possibly above, sea level. They then estimate that the rate of uplift and sinking of the anomalous crustal blocks was about twice as fast as other crust of equivalent age.

The authors note further that at the Deep Sea Drilling Project (DSDP) hole 25 (Fig. 2), Eocene age shallow water limestones were recovered. They suggest that the emergent crust “may even have provided ‘land bridges’ for faunal migrations between Africa and South America in early Cenozoic times after the two continents had already been separated.” It is here that they bow to the hypothesis of sea-floor spreading and plate tectonics to explain their findings. That was in 1981. Only ten years later, however, the authors’ sea-floor spreading interpretation was to be disputed.   
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                            Russian Evidence Indicates Only Minor Sea-Floor Spreading





Ten years later we learn of Russian oceanographers hauling up all kinds of unusual dredge samples from the vicinity of the MAR, or from the slopes of the St. Paul FZ (see Fig. 2).  I won’t describe all of the various rock types recovered except to say that many dredge samples contained continental type rocks and microfossils.4  This led the authors to conclude, as follows.

The finds of continental rocks and sediments whose age is older than that determined by paleographic reconstruction in accordance with the ‘canons’ of plate tectonics are an important addition to geophysical data suggesting the ‘non-spreading’ origin of flank plateaus in the equatorial segment of the MAR…..A platform still persists on the downwarped flank plateaus of the MAR because sea-floor spreading was limited entirely to the axial part of its equatorial segment.








                                   Implications of Russian Oceanographers’ Conclusions






It’s time for scientists to start trying to understand vertical sea-floor changes over time through more than the predominantly horizontal sea-floor spreading/plate tectonics model.  Recall that we have presented a different model to explain what could have been going on along the MAR in our review of Prof. MacKenzie Keith’s article on the plate tectonics theory’s “house of cards.”  Our review is entitled: “New Hypothesis Provides A Basis For The Reality Of The Legendary Continents Of Atlantis And Lemuria --The demise of the current sea-floor spreading and plate-tectonics theory.”  In our review we explain how Keith’s new model contributes to an understanding of the origin and destruction of the Atlantis of Cayce’s readings.
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                      Meaning of The Peculiar Composition of St. Peter and St. Paul’s Islets





In 1990, Bonatti published a paper on the St. Peter and St. Paul islets that lie on the north side of the St. Paul FZ (Fig. 2).  These islands are peculiar in that they are not volcanic islands, as is to be expected in terrain such as the MAR.  The isles are composed mostly of peridotites and have been interpreted by most investigators as representing sub-oceanic mantle rock.  Bonatti, however, interprets them as being relict sub-continental mantle “which was left behind during the opening of the equatorial Atlantic, and which was then tectonically uplifted to its present position.5

Fine, but I really don’t believe it necessary to do mental handsprings to make everything one observes fit into the plate tectonics mold.  Rather than try to do so, let’s just take Bonatti’s finding, and see if it might not fit in with the readings’ story of the first destruction of Atlantis. 

Suppose that the continent was in fact broken up 19,400 years ago by a man-induced, super-massive, volcano-like eruption that caused Atlantis near the Sargasso Sea to “go into the depths.” This was the upheaval that broke up the continent into five large islands and many smaller ones. The upheaval probably even started a pole shift. 

Could it not be possible that this event might also have massively affected the equatorial Atlantic sea floor as well?  If so, the uplift of sub-continental, or sub-oceanic mantle would not have been much of an aberration, would it?  And the sinking of any above-sea-level oceanic crust wouldn’t be much of an aberration either. 
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Table 1. Dates of Important Geophysical Events





In The History of Atlantis According To
The Edgar Cayce Readings And
The Author's Interpretations.







Date In Years Before The Present (B.P.) Geophysical Event(s) Reading Nos.


 
 
52,722 Approximate beginning of pole shift. (From an unknown position on Earth to northern Greenland. Author’s interpretation.) 262-39, 5249-1

30,000 "Second period of disturbance" when "there were small channels through many of the lands." 470-22

24,000? Period of the "second of the eruptions." Possible date of Noah’s Flood? 364-6

20,000 Age of an entire woolly mammoth found @ 62° N, 150° E.
   


  First Destruction   

19,400 Man-induced eruption causes the portion of Atlantis near the Sargasso Sea to go "into the depths." Volcano-like upheaval separates Atlantis into five islands and induces a pole shift (author’s interpretation) causing ice sheets to melt in Europe, Asia, and North America. 364-11, 364-4, 877-26, 440-5, 1291-1 (?) 488-5?



  Second Destruction
 
  Interpreted by author to occur in periods throughout this time interval between the first and third destructions. Many readings, but no dates



  Related Climatic Event   

12,940 to 11,640 Beginning and ending dates of the Younger Dryas climatic event during the middle of the ongoing deglaciation of the North Atlantic region. This 1,300 ± 70-year period marked a return to glacial-like climatic conditions. It terminated abruptly with a 7ºC rise in temperature over a few years’ time.

Note that the final destruction of Atlantis and the construction of the Great Pyramid occurred during this Younger Dryas period.
   


  Final (Third) Destruction   

12,700 to 11,900 "...wasting away in the mountains, then into the valleys, then into the sea itself, and the fast disintegration of the lands," and then, the last island (Poseidia) sinks below the waves. 364-4, 288-1,  339-1



  Related Cultural Event
 
12,488 to 12,388 Construction of the Great Pyramid in Egypt. 5748-6 
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