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« Reply #180 on: December 27, 2008, 04:57:09 am »

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« Reply #181 on: December 27, 2008, 04:57:29 am »

Before continuing our description of the process of excavation let us consider the conditions that existed in the world during the Ice Age. In that period tremendous quantities of water were taken out of the oceans and locked up on the land in the form of glacial ice. About one-sixth of all the lands now in existence were blanketed with ice. About one-half of North America was covered. The ice extended from Alaska to Greenland and southward to the Ohio and Missouri Rivers. South Carolina was not glaciated but it felt the effects in a somewhat cooler climate and in the fact that the sea was lowered at least 150 feet, possibly much more. This latter, as previously mentioned, greatly extended the land area to the southeast. From what is now the coast of South Carolina a broad flat extended seaward for more than 50 miles. This area lay close to sea level and parts of it doubtless were swampy traps for unwary animals, as are parts of the Coastal Plain today.

We should mention at this point there was not just one epoch of glaciation --- there were four. These cold epochs were separated by warmer inter-glacial epochs. During these times the ice melted, the glaciers retreated northward and sea level came back to normal. In South Carolina during each warm epoch the sea rose to cover the shelf that had been exposed during the preceding glacial stage. Sea animals flourished and shell beds were formed. As the glaciers re-advanced the sea retreated and the land animals that lived along the margin of the glaciers retreated southward ahead of the invading ice. They inhabited parts of the newly exposed land and left their bones to mingle with those of sea animals. These changes took place slowly, of course, and it is estimated that the entire Ice Age (not counting the present epoch, which may be just another inter-glacial stage) occupied a span of 2,000,000 years.

The fact that the Edisto deposits that now are being excavated contain the remains of bison and bears --- animals that apparently did not migrate into America until the closing stages of the Ice Age --- suggests that our deposit is fairly young. It is difficult to determine the exact age because the fauna that is being washed up is considerably mixed. The waves may have access to two or more thin deposits of different ages. Some of the sharks' teeth belong to species that antedate the Ice Age but these teeth are resistant objects that may have been reworked --- mixed up with Ice Age deposits during the Ice Age. Likewise, it is known that some of the typical Ice Age mammals that are now extinct -- American horses, the Giant Sloth, Mastodon, and Woolly Mammoth --- persisted in North America until a few thousand years ago. These particular animals were still in existence following the retreat of the last glacier and some, at least, after the arrival of the earliest human beings on this continent. You may ask, is it, then, not possible that the Edisto waves may uncover human artifacts or actual skeletal remains? It is possible but very unlikely.

We shall not attempt in this brief account to describe the appearance or the habits of all of South Carolina's numerous extinct animals but Mr. Kiener has sketched some of the commoner ones, basing his sketches on well known restorations. Only bones and teeth and plates are found at Edisto and Irving Gladstein has kindly photographed a number of these. Of particular interest are the tiny milk teeth of the elephants2 --- one from the browzing mastodon, the other from the mammoth, a grazing animal. Bones of the former have been found associated with human artifacts in Florida; frozen bodies of the latter have been recovered in arctic regions. The Giant Sloth that lived in the Edisto region bore little resemblance to his modern tree-dwelling relative. The Ice Age sloth was a ground-dweller that stood erect to pull down branches with its claws. It probably lumbered awkwardly on all-fours, walking on the outer edges of its feet. Some of the horses were as large as those living today.

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« Reply #182 on: December 27, 2008, 04:58:29 am »

Many believe that the fossils that are being washed up at Edisto are brought to the coast by streams, but to the writer it seems unlikely that such is the case. Nearby streams, such as South Edisto River, are sluggish and carry only fine sediment. It seems doubtful that they could bring down large heavy bones even if aided by tidal currents. Mr. Rutledge, who probably knows the area better than anyone, reported that the largest bone that he found weighed close to 40 pounds. The writer weighed the largest one now in the Edisto Museum --- a fragment of elephant bone --- and found that it weighed 20-1/4 pounds. Mr. Jaworski, who collected 967 specimens, reported that they were most abundant at high tide mark on the Edisto front beach and in the area immediately to the north east. Fossils were comparatively rare on Bay Point and on the beach fronting South Edisto River. Mr. Jaworski also pointed out that bone fragments less than 2/3 inches long were rare. In the writer's opinion, the waves at Edisto are eating into an unusually rich concentration of vertebrate remains buried just below sea level. In this connection it is interesting to note that the nearby Hunting Island beach, which, like Edisto, is receding rapidly landward, has not yielded a single fossil although it has been searched carefully.



(1) H. G. Richards, "Fauna of the Pleistocene Pamlico Formation of the Southern Atlantic Coastal Plain." Geological Society of America Bulletin, vol. 47, pp. 1638, 1640, 1936.

(2) My identification of these teeth has been verified by Dr. C. L. Gazin of the United States National Museum.

http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/regional_review/vol3-3b.htm
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« Reply #184 on: December 27, 2008, 06:44:52 am »


Dear.............BIANCA,

Dr Velikovsky was a psychiatrist but turned geologist in Princeton New-Yersy 1940
He got a clear INSIGHT that there appeared to be 500 non-existing yrs in the Standard-Egyptian Chronology

He contributed this to the use of book-scrole-Chapters,  which were accidentally interchanged, thus he concluded
that between year 1500 bc and year 1.000 bc there was a socalled" Dark Period " corresponding to an
equalling a simmilar " Dark-Period "in Greek continental history. Which mentioned unknown kings in unlocated cities

His discovery was like an earthquake change under the shakey foundation of Egyptian Timedating
If you want to beat a Dog a stick is soon found so he was acqused of of beiing everything but a( Professional-)Egyptologist.

Emillio- ESPEDICATO is just an italian  mathematicien yet he too dabbles in catastophic meteor-impacts on Earth
He reviewed that the Meteor called " PHAETHON " fell to Earth and caused the Deluge that submerged Atlantis,
yet he too is not a "professional" geologist but nobody accused him of wanting to" Change " ancient egyptian-history.

The ATLANTOii were originally the MINYERS from ORCHOMENOS, also called MEN; MINNAii; MINEANS; MINOANS; & MINYERS
MINERA or MITTANI was the LAND of DAN; the LAND of AD called SIN-Aii or AAU; PUNT / BUTHO; PUT & LUT in the Bible.

ATLANTIS is a Latin MISNOMER for Greek:" ATHETA" meaning " Land of Ad " coerrectly retranscribed into latin as ATLANTIS.
Atlantis doesn't exist but " Ad-Land " does in Greek called ATHE : in context:" White-Elephant Land "
Araby - FoELIX, too means(In context.)" white Holi-Elephant land" shortened to just " HOLI- LAND" in the Bible.

The White Elephant was the only God of Atlantis but when the assyrian God-King Salmanasser-3 capturesd ADEN in 855 bc
he demonised Atlantis and had the 1.000 white Eelphants( Called:" Pillars of Ad-Irem " slaughtered as tyhe ElephantkillerGod"SHIVA"

Heracles lived before Atlantis was submerged for a second time and was made a Vasal-King of Atlantis by God-King Salmanasser-3
Heracles was actually the Egyptian King HOREMHEB and ACHNATON was his Brother whom he hated or had to make taboo too.
On a black Stele of Salmanasser-3 Heracles-Horemheb-JEHU is shown as petty King in Israel(= another name for Atlantis.) Cry Shocked Cry

Velikovsky was a Zionist and, at the risk of sounding anti-Semitic (which I am NOT),

his whole outlook was coloured by his keen desire to see the creation of the State of

Israel, to which end caused him to try and glorify ('consciously or unconsciously') the

importance of Ancient Israel by any means possible.......
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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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« Reply #185 on: December 27, 2008, 07:02:22 am »

DEAR........................DHILL,

ELEPHANTS lived at any seashore site,
on the Amazone many Elephant-skeletons were found in it's embankments
but the Amazone river used to be a vast inland Sea

So to state the obvious that Elephants occupied America before humans did is an open statement
because land and water were interchanged during the iCE- AGE

My Axioma for Sealevel change is the following:

From : 10.000 until 855 bc a rise of 100=Hundred-Mtrs.

From : - 855   untill 755 bc a rise of 50= Fifty-meters !

This means that the Last Sea-level-rise that Atlantis experienced was 50 meters !

Thus the rivers that transported sediments before 855 bc were 50 meters LOWER than today !
Shocked

ATLANTIS was not sub but IMMERSED by not ONE but TWO Tsunamies
who's DATEs corresponds to the Titano-Machia(= 1055 bc.)
and the Giganto- Machia (= 855 bc.)

The MOON caused these Deluges every 50 Years
 But in Mythology it is called the PHENIX- Bird
which returns to Egypt every 500 years ,
Which is clearly an exagerated overstatement ! Cry Shocked Cry

The many Meteoric-impact sites at the SOUTH - CAROLINAS  BAY
are result of Mars-Debris caught by the MOON and deposited during
it's erratic orbits around Earth as the DRUNKEN- Moon".

Location of Atlantis:
 it was the CAPITAL of the KNOWN- world of Araby which is called ADEN today.
Thus the SEA of ATLAS was the GULF of ADEN. and the OCEAN was the Indian.O
Though encircling the Earth or KNOWN- World it was the RED- SEA
WORLD- Ocean and ATLAS Sea became confused or rather 'amalgamated' by the Roman Compilers !

Sincerely " BlueHue "dd 27-Dec.2008

Before continuing our description of the process of excavation let us consider the conditions that existed in the world during the Ice Age. In that period tremendous quantities of water were taken out of the oceans and locked up on the land in the form of glacial ice. About one-sixth of all the lands now in existence were blanketed with ice.From what is now the coast of South Carolina a broad flat extended seaward for more than 50 miles. This area lay close to sea level and parts of it doubtless were swampy traps for unwary animals, as are parts of the Coastal Plain today.
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( Blue's)THEORY, locating"original" Atlantis( in Aden-Yemen.)
1: ATLANTIS =Fake=Latin name, original Greek: ATHE(=a Region in Aden)
2: Atlantic-OCEAN=Greek: RIVER-of-Atlas+also" Known "World-OCEAN(=Red-Sea)
3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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« Reply #186 on: December 27, 2008, 09:08:18 pm »

Blue, elephants are NOT found everywhere.  At any rate, Plato probably meant mammoths, which is the whole point of the Atlantic Ocean mammoth tusks, who's pictures I just printed.
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« Reply #187 on: December 27, 2008, 09:17:22 pm »

This was an interesting article that wants to place Atlantis in England. Of course, Atlantis wasn't in England, on the other hand, the author makes an interesting case for the origin of the megaliths, the circular symbols that appear on the rocks, and Silbury Hill all having some Atlantean origin:
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« Reply #188 on: December 27, 2008, 09:18:04 pm »

Did Atlantis lay in England?

By E.J. de Meester.

Not only a part of the Odyssey could be moved to the British isles; legendary Atlantis may have existed there too. Countless theories have been invented about Atlantis. Most popular is perhaps the theory that Atlantis was the little volcanic island of Thera or Santorini, which perished during the reign of queen Hatshepsut (?) in a great catastrophe. The weak point of the theory is that Thera is not outside the Pillars of Hercules (the Strait of Gibraltar). According to the supporters of this theory, Atlantis did not perish 9000 but 900 years ago, counting from the time of Solon (600 BC). It is very likely that all numbers in Plato's Atlantis story are ten times too high.

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« Reply #189 on: December 27, 2008, 09:18:51 pm »

Plato tells about Atlantis in his dialogues Timaeus and Critias. Atlantis was situated on a large island in the Atlantic Ocean, apparently not very far from Europe. How many islands like this are there? I can find only two: Britain and Ireland. The capital was on the south coast and had a harbour. If Atlantis was in England, than it must have been near Portsmouth or perhaps near Exeter, Poole, Brighton of Hastings. Plato writes in Critias: 'The area as a whole was high and the coast was precipitous, but around the city itself there was a plain (...)' This refers clearly to the famous white cliffs of Dover, the first thing visitors see when they come to England, and to the South-English plain.

Atlantis lay in a fertile plain, surrounded by mountains. That is also correct. The plain is said to measure 370 by 550 km - far too large. But one tenth of that, 37 by 55 km, corresponds approximately with a rectangle between Salisbury and Chichester. The plain was divided into 60,000 (6000?) square fields, probably so-called Celtic fields, although the Celts came much later to England (from 550 BC). The city is said to have been round with a diameter of 24 km (2,4 km). The last number corresponds with the dimensions of the inner city of Amsterdam (without the Plantage quarter). The centre would be about as large as the area around the Dam Square.

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« Reply #190 on: December 27, 2008, 09:19:27 pm »

North of Poole, on the river Avon (derived from 'Atlantis'?), is the famous monument of Stonehenge. It is very strange that nobody connects Stonehenge with Atlantis. Both exert an enormous attraction to all sorts of mystics, hippies, romantics etceteras. There are some theories that identify the Atlantic civilisation with the megalithic civilisation that existed along the Atlantic coast. If Atlantis really existed and was not the Minoan civilisation on Crete, then this is the only possibility.

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« Reply #191 on: December 27, 2008, 09:19:59 pm »

A round city

An important clue is that Atlantis was a round city with canals, not unlike the inner city of Amsterdam. The Egyptians made everything square. So did the Greeks, although they sometimes built round temples. If Plato had imagined an ideal city, he would probably have designed a rectangular city. But Stonehenge is round and other monuments, like Avebury, are also round; quite different from Greek or Egyptian monuments. A symbol consisting of three concentric circles is often found on megaliths; it could represent Atlantis. Or perhaps Atlantis was built in the shape of this symbol, whatever it means.

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« Reply #192 on: December 27, 2008, 09:20:36 pm »

Gold has been found in tombs near Stonehenge; that also fits. In Atlantis there is said to have been a race course that could be made long or short. Near Stonehenge two race courses have been found, a long one and a short one (the Stonehenge Cursus, in the middle, and the Lesser Cursus, top left), possibly for chariot races. Even in the Roman era the ancient Britons fought in chariots. Also there were hot and cold sources (like those near Troy, according to Homer); that reminds one of Bath. The round dots on the map are tumuli; the rectangular fields mentioned by Plato are also visible. The Avenue runs from Stonehenge (centre) to the river Avon (bottom right) and perhaps to Atlantis?

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« Reply #193 on: December 27, 2008, 09:21:15 pm »

There were buildings made of white, black and red stone, hewn from Clito's hill in the middle of the city. Several differently coloured stones are found on the Isle of Wight. Was the Isle of Wight Clito's hill? If Clito's hill was not in the centre of the city, it may be Silbury Hill, an artificial hill, almost 40 m high, to the south of Avebury. Perhaps Avebury itself might be Atlantis, because it also has three rings; but then Plato must have been very fanciful indeed. We may assume that the stories about Atlantis are somewhat inaccurate, but not too much.

St. Michael's Mount and Mont St. Michel

If there really was a central hill of stone in the middle of Atlantis, it may have been St. Michael's Mount near Penzance in Cornwall. This is not located in a large plain, but it is possible that it used to be on dry land. Today it lies on the beach. Two things speak in favour of this location. In the first place, there used to be tin mines in Cornwall. Apparently the tin was loaded into ships near St. Michael's Mount. Secondly, there is a legend in Cornwall about a sunken city. It is supposed to have been near the Scilly Islands, but it is quite possible that it really was near St. Michael's Mount. In France there is a similar legend about a sunken city named Ys (=Atlantis?), not far from Mont St. Michel. The two rocks are very similar; it is quite possible that they were confused and that this legend came from Cornwall. Perhaps the rock was surrounded with defensive walls to protect the costly tin from plunderers. A temple for the sea god on the rock is not unlikely. The whole complex may also have been a gigantic lingam (phallus symbol).

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Mystics believe that St. Michael's Mount is connected with Stonehenge, Avebury and other monuments by means of 'ley lines', a kind of invisible power lines. The Michael line is supposed to run from St. Michael's Mount (bottom left) through Avebury to the north-east. On the line there are said to be 63 Christian monuments, all dedicated to St. Michael or Mary. I found this in a little Dutch book about crop circles. I don't believe in this New Age stuff myself, but for those who do, it ought to be fascinating.

A problem with St. Michael's Mount is that the plain of Atlantis, which should have been about 37 by 55 km wide, cannot have been there. The sea is also too deep; there is no shallow area which may be a submerged plain. And there are no great mountains to protect the plain against the north and west wind. In these respects the Lyme Bay near Torquay and Lyme Regis is a better choice. The bay is to the east of the high mountains of Dartmoor (the dark spot on the map). To the north of it are also mountains. In Dartmoor there are many ancient remains, probably dating from the early Bronze Age. At Grimspound and Legis Tor there are circular enclosures containing stone hut-circles. Other ancient monuments can be seen at Merrivale, Trowlesworthy Warren, Ditsworthy Warren, Erme Valley and Shovel Down. Near the coast they have probably disappeared long ago.

According to Plato the site of Atlantis is now muddy and difficult to pass for ships. The only spot on the south coast to which this applies is the estuary near Portsmouth, which is also not far from Stonehenge. So that is still the most likely spot.

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