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« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2007, 11:46:32 pm »

Still no more images of what the Russians found at the Ampere Seamounts!  You'd think someone would have them.
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« Reply #76 on: September 16, 2007, 07:11:28 am »





QUOTE FROM WEBMASTER AT BEGINNING OF NARRATIVE:

"Although the information below maybe in some limited cases controversial about the Governments of both USA and Russia having a little too much to not say about the subject of Atlantis yet seemingly to be keenly interested about the subject when it literally shows up in artifacts, yet in their posture remains low profile to the public.

I think the letter is somewhat warranted in some of those controversial comments by Voronin in light of past history of many Governments reactions ranging from overly cool to hostile reactions about the subject of Atlantis as considered to many atlantologist a fairly irrational response in light of goofy propaganda attempts they sometimes make when something big for historical purposes is found.

Remember if you control the worlds history you control the world is maybe what they think but does not sound like a very spiritual credo to me! "



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We may never be able to see those pictures, the government has them.
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« Reply #77 on: September 16, 2007, 07:50:08 am »







MORE OF THE SAME:




"Near Cadiz in the middle of  1970s the archaeologists found at the depth of 30 meters the remains of huge four buildings with stony roads. Beginning from 1970s and up to 1990s here military marine forces of USA conducted their secret research expeditions. According to the rumors exactly military men found in Spanish waters the remains of Atlantis.

    The modern scientist Jeremy Horwick is going to publish the book “Mission- Atlantis: What do Seamen Know About Destroyed Continent”, in which he describes these operations. Horwick refers to declassified official documents and questioning of the former seamen from submarine. He maintains that military men managed to rise to the surface and take out the specimen of antediluvian techniques and armor of Atlantis.

Later on Americans wanted to apply the unique technology of Atlantis in the cold war with Soviet Union.

All this knowledge was used by the scientists of USA to create mighty military technique among them the invisible airplanes of the type “stells”, anti-missile system, cosmic technologies. Later on all publications about find were voted as mystification. From reliable sources it is known that here American special services took part which spread rumors with intention about supposedly deliberately false information."



 In 2001 to the south-west from Azores islands American and  Spanish geologists fixed underwater plateau of 90 km long. In the center of plateau  not destroyed temple with nine columns is found. Nearby the remains of five circle channels with bridges were placed. As American atlantologists assure all the information and photographs of the buildings are blocked by military departments of USA. According to our data exactly on Terseira one of the most secret bases of  military marine forces of USA is situated. May be it is connected with mysterious anomaly zones on archipelago itself and in the coastal waters? Portuguese's call such zones “Misterios”.
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« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2007, 05:58:11 pm »








                                           •   •   •   RUSSIAN RESOURCES   •   •   •



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Atlantida. "Poslanie Nerozhdennym"   •   zerkalo
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Al'manakh Atlantida  •  zerkalo
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Institut metaistorii: ATLANTIS
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Svidetelstvo Solona. Srednizemnomorje ili Atlantika? Kromanjoncy-atlanty. Donelli i drugije...


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« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2007, 01:35:53 am »

Yes Bianca ,

Those famed pics of Ampere Seamount, we never get anything more on that.. About that elusive Jeremy Horwick book about the American military having found Atlantis, did you say it's not been published yet?  I thought it had been . I want to get my hands on it if it is out,, I realise the dangers of going down this conspiracy theory path but aslong as you stay grounded and just consider the evidence it is worth a look .
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« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2007, 04:47:47 pm »










                                    RUSSIANS SEEK ATLANTIS OFF CORNWALL





Monday, December 29, 1997 

For centuries explorers have searched for the remains of Atlantis - the fabled city under the sea.

Now a team from Russia says it has identified it - 100 miles off Land's End, off the south-west coast of England. And this summer they intend to prove it.

The team from the Moscow Institute of Meta-History is one of two new projects to start in the New Year. The other is a 30-strong British expedition to Bolivia to find Atlantis under a lake.

The Russian search is based on a re-reading of classical Greek texts. They believe Atlantis is at Little Sole Bank, a hill on the Atlantic seabed.

The site is at the edge of the Celtic Shelf which, before the Ice Age, was above sea level.

The site description fits in with the Cornish myth of the land of Lyonesse - also known as the City of Lions. Lyonesse is said to have stood between Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly.
 

Plato, the Greek philosopher who detailed Atlantis' location

Atlantis was first described by the Greek philosopher Plato in his work The Republic nearly 2,500 years ago.

Plato said the city existed for more than 9,000 years with walls paved with silver and gold.

In The Republic, Atlantis is destroyed by the gods when its people become wicked and decadent.

But classical scholar Dr Peter Jones told the BBC: "Historically Atlantis is nonsense."

He added that Plato was using a political allegory but also that he was very precise about the location of Atlantis.

"It is an island in front of the straits of Gibraltar, and no such island exists," said Dr Jones.

"This is pure invention. It's not history, it's not even myth, it is an allegory - a fabulous science-fiction superstate - a utopia, and ancient philosophers like Plato use allegories like this all the time."

British explorer Colonel John Blashford-Snell, believes there is enough evidence in The Republic to justify a search for Atlantis in Bolivia. His team leaves in March.

His team has used satellite mapping technologies to analyse the topography in Bolivia and has found striking resemblances between the area and the site Plato describes, he says.


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« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2007, 04:51:53 pm »





As usual, that was the FIRST AND LAST we heard about that expedition.....

It's been ten years, now.....
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« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2007, 08:00:04 pm »






                    S Y K E S '   C O N T E M P O R A R Y   A T L A N T O L O G I S T S






Dr. N. Th. Zhirov



Dr. N. Th. Zhirov was a personal friend of Sykes for over twenty years. Unfortunately, Zhirov suffered from injuries received in World War II and never got out of Russia actually to see the Atlantic Ocean about which he wrote so much. Zhirov quoted early Russian classical sources; thus, he was an outstanding contributor to the study of Atlantis. He was very scientific and absolutely objective, and set a standard for Russian Atlantology. Zhirov died in December 1970 in Moscow. His obituary was published in the January 1971 issue of Atlantis.






Russians and Atlantis


The earliest original work on Atlantis was written by A.S. Norov and published in 1854 in Russian and German. In 1917, appeared one of the most serious works by V. Bryusov, the famous Russian poet, who was engaged in the scientific study of the problem until his death. He gave all of the data available as evidence that Atlantis was the cradle of the majority of subsequent civilizations. In the 1930’s, there was considerable interest in the problem with articles in small popular science brochures and the publication of B.L. Bogaevsky, a prominent Soviet historian, who dismissed the lost continent. Almost twenty-five years followed, in which not a single work on the subject appeared in the USSR. Impetus was given in 1954 by E. Andreeva’s most popular science book about Atlantis, Easter Island, and Sannikov’s land, in which she used scientific geological and oceanographic data to demonstrate the undoubted reality of Atlantis.

In 1963, Sykes received a Christmas card from Zhirov which had postage stamps issued in Russia commemorating two well known scientists who were also famous Atlantologists — Vladimir Obzuchev, Member of the Academy 1863-1956, and Valery Brussov, the famous poet and Atlantologist.



Zhirov’s Writings


In 1957, Zhirov published Atlantis in Moscow, a most informative book on Atlantis with a bibliography that included no fewer than eighty references in Russian, plus sixty references in other languages. The book was only available in Russian. Zhirov was an active contributor to Atlantis journal. In the November 1957 issue of Atlantis, Sykes published A Letter From Dr. Zhirov & A Short Contents Of The Book Atlantis, and in the September 1958 issue of Atlantis, An Open Letter From Dr. Zhirov To All Atlantologists was published.

In January 1962 in Atlantis, Zhirov, who was always looking for evidence that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge was once above sea level, reported in An Indisputable Demonstration Of The Great Subsidence Of The Mid-Atlantic Ridge,that N.N. Gorskiy’s book The Secrets of the Ocean, Moscow, 1960, showed two photographs of shallow water corals grown on rock, dredged up from the Mid Atlantic ridge from a depth of twenty-five-hundred meters by the Soviet oceanographic expedition ship Mikhail Lomonossov. No Carbon-14 dates available.

In January 1962 in Atlantis, Zhirov wrote A Critical Analysis Of The Material Culture Of Plato’s Atlantis in which Plato mentions iron, gold, silver, copper, tin, orichalcum (a copper alloy?), and the antiseismic architecture of Egypt and Mesopotamia.

On April 22, 1964, Dr. Zhirov’s The Existence and Destruction of Atlantis was read to the Leningrad House of the Scientists Geological-Geographical Section. The report gathered more than one-hundred-and-fifty scientists and students for two-and-a-half hours. The event was reported in the October 1964 issue of Atlantis in an article titled Atlantological News From The USSR.

Zhirov’s Atlantida was published in 1964 by the State Publishing House of Moscow. The preface was written by the editor, Professor Demetrius G. Panow, Doctor of Geological Sciences. The book was published in Romanian in 1967, while Sykes ranted impatiently that no copies were available in French and English. In the book, Zhirov painstakingly reviewed the latest knowledge of the formation of continents, structure of mountains and submarine ridges, seismic processes, cosmological influences, tectonic origins, and the effects of glaciations on the distribution of flora and fauna, and changes produced by the Gulf Stream. The accumulated evidence indicated that a land mass could have existed in the Atlantic. If this view could be proved, it would lead to a complete reversal of the views generally held concerning the migration and development of man.




Atlantis, Atlantology:

Basic Problems was published in Moscow in 1970. At the time, this book was the most extensive attempt to produce geological and geographical proof that Atlantis really existed. The great complexity of the geology of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is discussed. There was a thirty-five page bibliography of eight-hundred references. Sykes owned this book in three languages. The book was reviewed in the November 1971 issue of New World Antiquity.


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« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2007, 10:04:24 pm »

Thats great info Bianca,

I do have that book by Zhirov " Atlantis: Basic Problems". It is quite good ,but they say that the geological aspect of it is out of date .I take that fairly lightly because what that really means is that the present day doctrine doesn't match Zhirov's interpretations... But I think present day geological doctrines leave a lot to be desired anyway so I'm not too quick to dismiss his ideas.

There's always a Russian in there somewhere!.  I mean ,the Russians always seem to be at the forefront of human endeavors one way or another. Often when looking at the history of science ,you'll find that a Russian scientist was on the 'right' track years before the breakthrough arrives in the West.   
One example that springs to mind is the Continental Drift theory ,,even before Wegener a Russian scientist seriously proposed it.
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« Reply #84 on: November 18, 2007, 10:36:25 am »







                            Formerly Emerging Crustal Blocks In The Equatorial Atlantic





The above heading is the same as the title of a paper published in 1981 in the journal Tectonophysics. Enrico Bonatti, of Columbia University and the Marine Geology Laboratory in Bologna, Italy, and Andy Chermak, of the University of Miami, are the authors. The National Science Foundation (NSF) and the Office of Naval Research (ONR) sponsored their work, and it was carried out on the Romanche fracture zone shown on Figure 2.
 

 
Fig. 2.  Schematic representation of the structural pattern associated with the Romanche and other equatorial Atlantic fracture zones.  SPSP = St. Peter/St. Paul islets.  DSDP 25 = Deep Sea Drilling Project, sea-floor boring no. 25.  Solid black triangle indicates sites where shallow water limestones were recovered.  Modified from Fig. 1 of Bonatti and Chermak.

 

Among the results of their study, Bonatti and Chermak identified a strip of sea floor over 300 miles in length along the Romanche fracture zone (FZ) that is anomalously shallow by at least six-tenths of a mile relative to predicted depths. They suggest that the sea-floor high spots are capped by carbonate banks representing stages when they reached close to, and possibly above, sea level. They then estimate that the rate of uplift and sinking of the anomalous crustal blocks was about twice as fast as other crust of equivalent age.

The authors note further that at the Deep Sea Drilling Project (DSDP) hole 25 (Fig. 2), Eocene age shallow water limestones were recovered. They suggest that the emergent crust “may even have provided ‘land bridges’ for faunal migrations between Africa and South America in early Cenozoic times after the two continents had already been separated.” It is here that they bow to the hypothesis of sea-floor spreading and plate tectonics to explain their findings. That was in 1981. Only ten years later, however, the authors’ sea-floor spreading interpretation was to be disputed. 
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Russian Evidence Indicates Only Minor Sea-Floor Spreading





Ten years later we learn of Russian oceanographers hauling up all kinds of unusual dredge samples from the vicinity of the MAR, or from the slopes of the St. Paul FZ (see Fig. 2).  I won’t describe all of the various rock types recovered except to say that many dredge samples contained continental type rocks and microfossils.4  This led the authors to conclude, as follows.

The finds of continental rocks and sediments whose age is older than that determined by paleographic reconstruction in accordance with the ‘canons’ of plate tectonics are an important addition to geophysical data suggesting the ‘non-spreading’ origin of flank plateaus in the equatorial segment of the MAR…..A platform still persists on the downwarped flank plateaus of the MAR because sea-floor spreading was limited entirely to the axial part of its equatorial segment.








Implications of Russian Oceanographers’ Conclusions






It’s time for scientists to start trying to understand vertical sea-floor changes over time through more than the predominantly horizontal sea-floor spreading/plate tectonics model.  Recall that we have presented a different model to explain what could have been going on along the MAR in our review of Prof. MacKenzie Keith’s article on the plate tectonics theory’s “house of cards.”  Our review is entitled: “New Hypothesis Provides A Basis For The Reality Of The Legendary Continents Of Atlantis And Lemuria --The demise of the current sea-floor spreading and plate-tectonics theory.”  In our review we explain how Keith’s new model contributes to an understanding of the origin and destruction of the Atlantis of Cayce’s readings.


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« Reply #86 on: November 26, 2007, 11:45:27 am »









I FOUND A SERIES OF ARTICLES FROM 'PRAVDA.RU'.


HERE'S THE FIRST ONE:




Atlantis Under Antarctica?

























After WW II, scientists started to pay close attention to the issue of a supposedly once-existing civilization in Antarctica. The hypothesis is confirmed by some medieval maps and research of paleogeologists and glaciologists.



In January of 1820, Lieutenant of Russian Empire Fleet Mikhail Lazarev discovered a new continent. In the beginning of 20th century, a Russian encyclopaedia, while adducing the approximate square milage of south pole continent, reported that it was insufficiently explored and there was no flora and fauna. The author of the article also mentioned the richness of the algae and sea life.



Twenty years later, the director of the Istanbul National Museum, Khalil Edkhem, was sorting out a library of the Byzantine emperors in an old palace. He found an ancient map made on gazelle skin. On the map, there were the shores of western and southern Africa, as well as the northern shores of Antarctica. Khalil could not believe his eyes: the shores of the Queen Mod Land, to the south of the 70th parallel, was free of ice. An ancient cartographer marked a mountain chain there. The name of the cartographer was known: an admiral of the Ottoman Empire fleet, Piri Reis, who lived in the first half of 16th century.



The map's authenticity was without doubt. Graphology examinations of the notes on the margin confirmed that they belonged to the admiral.



In 1949, a combined British and Swedish expedition conducted intensive seismic measurements of the South Pole through the ice cap. According to the commander of 8th Technical Investigation Squadron of the US Armed Force Strategic Command, Colonel Harold Olmayer, " the geographical details of the bottom part of the map (the shore of Antarctica) correspond with the results of the seismic measurements. We cannot correlate these data with the supposed level of geography in 1513."



In his notes on the map's margin, made in the early 16th century, Piri Reis explained that he was not responsible for the cartography and that the map was based on earlier sources. Some of these "earlier sources" belong to his contemporaries (for example, to Christopher Columbus), while others could be dated to the 4th century B. C. Not later, because one of these sources belonged to Alexander the Great.



Of course, professional historians who specialize in ancient history could say the following: "This is only one more hypothesis. What about documentary and, what is more desirable, trust-worthy sources? The opinion of the Turkish admiral and notes on a margin You know, it is too disputable!"



Therefore, I would like to present the position of the late historian and professor of Keene College in New Hampshire, USA, Charles H. Hapgood. In the late 1959, he found in the Washington Congressional Library a map created by Orontheus Phynius in 1531. Orontheus Phynius depicted Antarctica with mountains and rivers, without glaciers. The relief of the continent's center was not marked, which, according to Hapgood, could mean that there had been an ice cap in that area.



In the early 1960s, Phynius' map was studied by Doctor Richard Stratchen of the Massachusetts Technology Institute together with Hapgood. Both scientists concluded that Phynius had indeed depicted Antarctica free of ice. The characteristics depicted were very close to the information that was obtained in 1958 by specialists from different countries.



Gerard Cremer, known in the world as Mercator, also trusted Orontheus' evidence. He included the Phynius map into his atlas, in which several maps of Antarctica by Mercator himself were also included. There is one interesting feature: on Mercator's map of 1569, the west shore of South America is pictured less accurately than on the earlier map of Mercator from 1538. The reasons for this contradiction are the following: while working at the earlier map, the cartographer of 16th century proceeded from ancient sources, which were not kept for our time, and while working at the later map, he proceeded from observations of the first Spanish explorers to South America. Gerard Mercato's mistake can be excused. In the 16th century, there were no precise methods to measure longitude: as a rule, an error could have been hundreds of kilometers!



Finally, we come to Philippe Boiche, full member of the French Academy of Science. In 1737, he published his map of Antarctica. Boiche presented a precise picture of Antarctica of the time when the continent was free of ice. On his map, the under-ice topography of the continent is presented, about which our civilization had no clear idea until 1958. Moreover, based on now-lost sources, the French academician depicted in the middle of the South Pole a body of water dividing it into two sub-continents, which were situated to the west and to the east from the line, where the Trans-Antarctic Mountains are now marked. According to the investigation in the framework of International Geophysical Year (1958), Antarctic is in fact an archipelago of large islands covered with 1.5-kilometers of ice.



Medieval maps show Antarctica without an ice cap or partially covered with ice. The precision of the 16th century cartographers was very high and even surprising. Their data surpassed the technical possibilities even of the late Middle Ages (for example, the determination of the longitude of a relief within one minute). This level was reached by mankind in the late 18th century, while in some cases, the 20th.



Scientists cannot comment on the high scientific level of medieval cartography. Information from almost 2000-year-old primary sources is supposed to be not well-founded.



Orthodox geology claimed that the age of the Antarctica ice cap was at least 25 million years; however, recently, it has been reduced to six million years.



Therefore, we should notice the following feature of the Reis map: the shore of the continent was free of ice. On the Phynius map, made 18 years after the Reis map, there is an ice cap around the South Pole within the limits of 80th and the 75th parallels. Two hundred years later, academician Boiche depicted Antarctica with glaciers.



The conclusion is obvious: we can see the process of the spreading of glaciers on the southern continent.



In 1949, Admiral Baird's expedition bore holes into the Ross Sea in three spots, where Orontheus Phynius marked river-beds. In the cuts, fine-grained layers were found, obviously brought to the sea with rivers, whose sources were situated in temperate latitudes (i.e. free of glaciers).



While using the nuclear dating method of doctor U. Oury from the Karnegy Institute in Washington, scientists discovered that Antarctica's rivers, which were sources of fine-dyspersated deposits, were flowing as depicted on the Phynius map, about 6,000 years ago. About 4000 years B. C., glacial sediments started to accumulate on the bottom of Ross Sea. Kernels show that before this, there was a long warm period.



Therefore, the maps of Reis, Phynius, and Mercator present Antarctica when the ancient Egyptian and Shumer civilizations were newborn. This point of view is excluded by almost all professional historians and could be regarded as an operating hypothesis that cannot be verified. Any historian would say that there were no civilization of the kind in the late 5th millenium B. C. According to Doctor Jacob Hock from Illinois University, the deposits in-question could be 6 to 12 thousand years old.



In September 1991, US and Egyptian archaeologists discovered at a distance of 13 km from Nile River, in Abidos, 12 large boats that belonged to Pharaohs of First Dynasty. The age of the boats is about 5,000 years. They are believed to be the most ancient vessels in the world, the leader of the expedition, D. O'Connor far, the find is estimated to be aimed for religious rites.



According to Herodotus, ancient Egyptians tracked stars more than 10,000 years ago. This statement of the "father of history" is supposed to be esoteric and, therefore, not true. However, land nations seldom produced astronomers. The fact that ancient Egyptians were interested in astronomy may indicate that they inherited some knowledge from an unknown civilization of navigators.



Workers of US technical intelligence determined the projection center of the Piri Reis map, whose data belongs to 4000 year B. C. The projection center was supposedly situated near today's Cairo. At that time, according to most historians, all then-existing nations were at a very low level of development.



Between the 5th and 10th milleniums B. C., there was a civilization on Earth that possessed great knowledge in the field of navigation, cartography, and astronomy, which was no less advanced than that that of the 18th century.



This civilization preceded our civilization, and it was not an extraterrestrial one. Its age could be several thousands years, while its location was probably on the northern shore of the most southern continent, or archipelago: Antarctica. Later, this civilization may have resettled to the north-east of Africa.



The reason for the death of the civilization was the covering of Antarctica with glaciers. This process started no earlier not than in 10th millenium B. C. It cannot be excluded that there were also large-scale floods, which were regular and cause long-term local deluges (this is confirmed by archaeologists). These disasters could have destroyed most of the civilization's cultural objects. However, some fragments might be found in the future under the thickness of ice. It can also be assumed that the survivors of Antarctica kept and handed down knowledge to the ancient Egyptians.



Therefore, if there will ever be an extensive exploration of Antarctica, mankind will most likely be surprised with the results.


Translated by Vera Solovieva

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                                                   Atlantes Still Alive



                   They live in their underwater cities and sometimes frighten people.



Everybody knows about UFOs. And what about UUOs? I mean, Unknown Underwater Objects? The Paseidon kingdom sometimes surprises sailors with fluorescent heads, devil circles and other miracles. Explorer Fedor Gard recorded evidence of sailors who had seen a strange phenomenon: "June 18, 1845, the vessel Viktoria crew saw in Mediterranean Sea three dazzling disks emerging. The disks seemed to be five times bigger than the Moon, and they were linked with each other with some thin fluorescent pivots."



Another piece of evidence originates from 1963: within four days sailors of the Wosp US aircraft-carrier and of five escort vessels saw during the manoeuvres near to Puerto Rico shore a mysterious object which moved under water with a high speed. The sailors tried to "break" it, though without effect.



July 20, 1967, at a distance of 120 miles from Brazil shore, an Argentine vessel captain wrote in his log book: "We saw a fluorescent object at a distance of 50 feet from the right board. It had a cigar shape and was 105 to 110 feet long. A strong white-blue radiance emanated from the object which produced no sound and left no track on water. It was moving for about 15 minutes simultaneously with the ship, then dove and moved under the ship and disappeared at all."



Some "fire dances" were observed in 1977 by the crew of the cruise motor ship Anton Makarneko in tropical waters. "Dancing circles" were described in 1976 by the crew of the Akademik Vorobiev vessel, while the echo-sounder registered some object presenting at a depth of 20 metres. Even Thor Heyerdahl saw similar phenomena (in particular, he writes about some round heads of 60-70 cm in diameter, which did not move and looked the sailors with their big aflame eyes).



So, what are these objects? Nobody can say it. In 19th century, scientists Adams and Jenkins assumed some intelligent creatures with gills live under water, accustomed to low temperatures and overpressure. Moreover, according to an old legend, in ancient times, there were Paseidonians living in ocean who were the human kind enlighteners. The underwater civilization representatives were not similar to Apollo.



Paseidonians are said to have taught Atlantes all science, so they even could travel in space. A woman from the city of Dnepropetrovsk who is said to have contacts with the extraterrestrial, got information about some mysterious civilization founded by extraterrestrial and called Atsor. Their descedants, who knew Solar System laws, forecasted a monster catastrophe which would put an end to their civilization. So, they built houses under ocean bottom. They resettled to their new houses before the cataclysm and still live there. While on the earth surface, only their probes can be observed, that above-mentioned underwater objects.



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« Reply #88 on: November 26, 2007, 11:49:08 am »








                                                 Atlantis Will Be Found





05/26/2003 11:19

Russian researchers have held the Second Congress of Atlantis Explorers in Moscow.



Has legendary Atlantis ever existed? Russian explorers and researchers have recently held a meeting in Moscow in order to discuss the material about the legendary continent and share their opinion with each other. Alexander Voronin, the director of the Russian association for studying Atlantis's problems stated at the meeting that Atlantis would be found. Alexander Voronin added that various findings in different parts of the planet proved the certainty of finding the lost continent.



Remains of the "big land" have been found in the water area of the Brazilian island of Sao Paulo; an undestroyed temple of thousands years old has been found in the sea not far from Europe. Voronin believes that such findings testify to the existence of a "central kingdom and numerous islands, on which ten Atlas brothers lived."



Participants of the meeting stated that there had been a lot of evidence collected to prove the existence of Atlantis. Researchers believe that one has to continue the quest, looking for other discoveries. As far as the significance of the lost continent's existence is concerned, Alexander Gorodnitsky, a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences said that the discovery of Atlantis might change the concept of nature and life development on planet Earth. Gorodnitsky believes that the proved existence of supreme civilizations in the past will make the up-to-date Darwinist society reconsider its views. Alexander Gorodnitsky has been on several expeditions to the places, where Atlantis allegedly existed. He still hopes to organize a targeted mission in order to study the problem in detail. "I am sure that this issue is extremely complicated and important, so one has to deal with it seriously, on a serious scientific level," Gorodnitsky was quoted as saying.



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Searching for the Lost Continent

07/09/2003 16:45



Russian scientist believes, Atlantis lies between Gibraltar and the Azores.



Doctor of Geology and Mineralogy, professor Alexander Gorodnitsky has recently celebrated his 70th birthday.  This is a world-known scientist from the Russian Institute of Oceanology. Alexander Gorodnitsky is also known in Russia as a poet and a song writer.



Alexander Gorodnitsky chaired the laboratory of the marine geophysics at the Arctic Geology Research Institute in Leningrad. He took part in a lot of expeditions in various areas of the World Ocean, he explored the ocean at the depth of five kilometers in underwater vehicles. He was the first scientist in the world to calculate the lithosphere power. The professor published more than 260 scientific works, including eight studies about the geology and geophysics of the ocean floor.



You wrote a song about Atlases, you read books about Atlantis. What is it: a return to the old romantic hobby, or something more serious?



It is probably both. Vyacheslav Kudryavtsev, Director of the Metahistory Institute, believes, there is a mouth of an ancient river on the continental slope to the south-west of the British Isles. Kudryavtsev thinks, an ancient town might have existed on the banks of the river too. He is determined to go there to explore that place. There is no actual evidence to prove that supposition, but a theory says that the Greenland ice melted in the beginning of the historic time, and the Gulf Stream made it to the north. The continent with such a beautiful name - Atlantis - was flooded as a result of the ocean level change. It seemed to be very interesting to me, especially after we came across a strange construction under the water - it looked like the ruins of an ancient city.



We have all necessary equipment at our disposal at the Oceanology Institute: we have underwater probes and vehicles, which allow to submerge to the depth of the ocean. We have already developed the project of the mission, freighted a ship, we have even obtained a permission from the UK. We just need $200,000 for the expedition, but Russian sponsors have refused to help us.



Why breaking a lance - a lot of people believe that there is no Atlantis at all, because there has not been any evidence found to prove the existence of the ancient continent.



The absence of findings is not supposed to be the base to say no to further attempts and works. It simply testifies to the low level of the research. About 15 years ago scientists found a proof that a large ancient civilization used to exist - the huge Hittite Kingdom.



I think that the lost continent is situated somewhere between Gibraltar and the Azores. In 1984 and 1986 our expedition was working on the slopes of Mount Ampere, when we found very strange constructions at the depth of only 100 meters - they looked like rooms and walls. I submerged to see that myself, made some sketches. Other geologists drew alters or walls - that was what they had seen, we could not take any photographs at that time. At first it seemed to me that those rooms and walls had been created by the nature, but the rooms were equal in size. The human psychology is organized very specifically: if someone had said that professor Gorodnitsky found the lost continent, no one would have believed such a message.



Yes, it is true, but there were a lot of other scientists, who were trying to find Atlantis, Jacques Yves Cousteau, for example.



It was Cousteau, who explored the sea floor around Santorin volcano and found the ruins of an ancient state there. A lot of people believed that it was Atlantis. However, such a point of view contradicted to Plato's words, who said that Atlantis was situated on the other side of Pillar of Hercules. From the point of view of the modern geology, I dare to prove that the underwater mountain chain between Gibraltar and the Azores is the lost continent. Canaries and Green Cape islands are the last peaks of Atlantis.



Atlas stands next to Pillar of Hercules, which means that ancient people had reasons for that. Of course, it would be ridiculous to think that we will find a golden statue or ruins of ancient towns. Any expedition has a chance to be a success, because there is always an opportunity to discover something new. If we manage to prove that Europe used to spread far behind the Pyrenees, it will change the perception of the human history. In addition to it, it is a great chance for Russian scientists to discover Atlantis!



Scientists say, the angle of inclination of the axis of the equator is changing, which will eventually make continents collide with each other. The collision will cause a monstrous earthquake, the land will sink under the water, tsunamis will flood practically everything. What is your attitude to such forecasts?



They are nonsense. The stability of continent plates tectonics is determined with endogenous (internal) factors. As far as the Earth's axis is concerned, one may not worry about it for the coming 100,000 years. It will remain as it is now and will not cause an earthquake that would be capable of destroying continents.



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