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« Reply #270 on: January 20, 2008, 10:05:50 pm »

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Guys - Keep your fire and brimstone in your pockets. I am STUDYING the phenomenon of ghost apparitions, not inviting them over for tea.

Sandra - I was just out the other day doing the kind of documenting you spoke of. There have been two sightings in a nearby cemetery of a young boy with no shoes on. This cemetery is out in the middle of nowhere and covered in prickers and sagebrush, so it doesn't make sense a young boy would be there, shoeless much less. I was there yesterday taking tape and photos, just to see... haven't had them developed yet though.

So you reckon I am going to hell for this, eh everyone? I bet people in history have thrown that threat at a lot of people with 'new' ideas. The Salem witch trials come to mind.... :-)

BTW, there is a gorgeous old church that hangs right over my backyard. If my husband finds a pair of my shoes, empty and smoking in the backyard, I'll make sure to have him let you know.
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Jennifer,

What is ultimately contacted is not "the dead", meaning a whole personality of some one specific that has passed over. What comes through are "remnants of energies" of some one who has died without a coherent and whole personality. Those left over energies are parts of a personality that the person never integrated properly.....deviance, addiction, that type of thing. These energies will tell you ANYTHING you want to hear, so you will think it is what you want.
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BINGO!   Smiley

And by simpler ways, I do not mean all of this Madame Moonbeam Gypsy Lee necromancer **** - more like astral travel, dreams, ASC's where one does not "summon" these spirits/energies to ask a bunch of bulls**t questions - one just walks among them on their own plane in a non-invasive way, experiencing the energy. Not as glamourous as the movies I know, but there is really nothing glamourous at all about any of these sort of things - it's all about just blending in with the universe and co-existing with it.
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« Reply #272 on: January 20, 2008, 10:06:41 pm »

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Hey there's going to be a Ghost Hunter's Conference in my town! Beautiful Port Townsend WA Nov. 11-13

See information below...

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« Reply #273 on: January 20, 2008, 10:07:08 pm »

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"If there's strange in your neighborhood"
oh you know rest...

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several species of small furry animals gathered together and grooving with a pict in a cave

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« Reply #274 on: January 20, 2008, 10:07:36 pm »

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All kidding aside, there is NO danger in contacting the dead.

What are the dead? Disembodied souls, lost spirits, people who haven't passed on, in other words...US!!

How would you like it if someone blew you off?

Give them some respect, people!!

And on the third day, he rose again from the dead/

Jesus was dead, too, should his disciples have not talked to him, too? Your lord and savior, Jesus Christ?

Let's get our priorities straight here, people!!
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« Reply #275 on: January 20, 2008, 10:08:19 pm »

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Aries, you have a vested interest in making us want to communicate with the dead, since you told us you're one of them, too...
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Port Townsend Leader-Wednesday, August 03, 2005

Ghost hunters conference here in November

By Patrick J. Sullivan
Leader Staff Writer


This photo was taken last year at the Commander's House at Fort Worden State Park. Tomasina Doran of Seattle Ghost Investigations, who said Fort Worden is definitely a "haunted" place, believes this photo represents paranormal activity. Photo courtesy of Tomasina Doran, Seattle Ghost Investigations

Ghost hunters are looking for Port Townsend stories prior to the third annual Pacific Northwest Ghost Hunters Conference, Nov. 11-13 at Fort Worden State Park.

About 300 people are expected to register for the conference sponsored by the Amateur Ghost Hunters of Seattle-Tacoma (AGHOST). It's the first time the conference has been staged outside of Seattle.

"Given the rich history, legend and beautiful Victorian buildings elements lending themselves to stories of ghosts, haunted locations and unexplained mysteries it comes as no surprise that the largest and most technologically advanced ghost-hunting group in the Pacific Northwest has chosen Port Townsend as the location for its third annual Ghost Hunting Conference," said Joe Teeples, organization vice president.

AGHOST conducts paranormal research using basic investigative tools such as cameras (35 mm and digital), audio and video recording devices, Geiger counters and electromagnetic field indicators, as well as computerized surveillance equipment and infrared motion sensor cameras.

AGHOST does not charge for its services. Members also appreciate that not everyone living in a "haunted" building wants to be researched.

"We are very sensitive to those who do not want to be bothered with ghostly investigations, and we respect privacy," Teeples said.

Share stories

AGHOST does want to hear from property owners or visitors regarding any haunting.

"We'll research them, and if people want us to do an investigation, we do have open schedules between now and then," Teeples said. Ideally, one or two local stories could be investigated for conference review.

Reports should include the location of the incident, a brief description of the incident, and a point of contact that investigators can make to obtain more information.

"Interest is picking up in Port Townsend, and folks are starting to open up about their ghostly experiences," Teeples said after a recent visit.

Fort Worden

Fort Worden has various stories of mysterious noises and more, from the JFK Building to Officers' Row, Alexander's Castle to NCO Row. Manresa Castle is on the list and hosts the conference-opening event Nov. 11. Manresa and Palace Hotel are offering a discount to conference registrants.

"If you ask if they have any ghost stories, the front office manager will show you the file that has been kept for years with details of ghostly occurrences," Teeples said of The Palace. "As recently as June 2005, a visitor walking down the main stairway felt 'something brush against the back of my neck,' and when photographs were taken they revealed the presence of orbs in that area."

Cemetery 101

More details on how to register for the "Ghost Hunters Getaway" can be found at www.aghost.us, or call Ross Allison at 253-203-4383. The educational weekend costs $50 to cover expenses. The schedule includes:

Nov. 11 (7 p.m.) Meet with featured guest Tamara Thorne, author/ghost hunter, at Manresa Castle.

Nov. 12 (9 a.m.-11 p.m.) Classes, lectures and seminars in the USO Building at Fort Worden. Classes include Electronic Voice Phenomenon, Spirit Photography, Our Strange Death, Ghost Pets, Contacting The Dead, and Ghost Hunting 101.

Nov. 13 (11 a.m.-10 p.m.) Tours around town. Subjects include This Haunted Fort, Cemetery 101, Military Cemetery 101, and Haunted Port Townsend.

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« Reply #277 on: January 20, 2008, 10:09:13 pm »

 
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Ghost Hunters Conference...............LOL!!! That's too stupid to be true. The shame of it is that they are actually serious. So........what kind of equipment or weapons do these "ghost hunters" use? And what do they do with their bounty? Oh please..............these kind of things are for people who really have nothing better to do.
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Originally posted by Aries, God of War:
All kidding aside, there is NO danger in contacting the dead.

What are the dead? Disembodied souls, lost spirits, people who haven't passed on, in other words...US!!

How would you like it if someone blew you off?

Give them some respect, people!!

And on the third day, he rose again from the dead/

Jesus was dead, too, should his disciples have not talked to him, too? Your lord and savior, Jesus Christ?

Let's get our priorities straight here, people!!
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It is not necessary for one to "talk" - as in verbalise - in order to communicate with these energies.   Wink
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Mish, don't let what people say affect you. We both know you're doing interesting work and that this is an important field of study. Life after death is the biggest mystery after God, or how the universe was formed. I'd like to hear more about the little boy's spirit when there's more to tell.

Some of you may have heard of Resurrection Mary, those of you in Illinois most definitely have. I'm enclosing an article about the Chicago area's most famous ghost. What is most significant about this article (if you follow the link), is that there are photographs of the bars on the cemetery gate that the ghost was said to have grasped that are discolored and bent.


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Ghost Research Society
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"Resurrection Mary" is undoubtedly Chicago's most famous ghost. This blonde-hair, blue-eyed beauty has been seen since the latter 1930s. According to legend, she had went to a dance at the O'Henry Ballroom which is now called the Willowbrook, 8900 Archer Avenue and apparently got into an argument with her boyfriend. She then began to hitchhike down Archer Ave. and somewhere between the Willowbrook and the main gates of Resurrection Cemetery, 7600 Archer Ave. she was struck and killed by a hit and run driver. Soon after this, people began to see a girl in a long white dress and blond hair hitchhiking for rides along Archer Ave.


The very first, first-person account came from Jerry Palus, a south-side man who recently died. He picked up a girl at the Liberty Grove and Hall near 47th and Mozart and danced with her the entire evening. The only strange thing is that she was very cold to the touch. Later she asked for a ride home which was somewhere in the Bridgeport area of Chicago but decided she'd like to go for a ride past the large Catholic cemetery along Archer Avenue, Resurrection. As they began to approach the main gates, she began to act very strangely. She told Jerry to pull the car off the road and, for some reason, she had to run toward the cemetery and that Jerry could not follow. Before he knew what was happening, she darted from the car, ran towards the main gates but disappeared before reaching those gates in plain view of Jerry. He then began to put all of this together and surmised that he had been with a ghost that evening. On a later visit to the home of Mary, he was greeted by a woman who told him that her daughter had been dead for sometime. He even saw a picture of her sitting on a table and was convinced that she was the same girl he had been with. However, that was impossible!

Reprinted from the Suburban Trib, January 31, 1979 and written by Bill Geist: "It was Thursday night - would have been two weeks ago - and I was lost, basically," says Ralph , a cab driver.

"I'd dropped this big spender way the hell down in Palos Heights or Hills or someplace like that and was trying to make my way back to the tollway. I'd just turned on to Archer, down there where it's still a lonely road, especially at midnight.

"And there she was. She was standing there with no coat on by the entrance to this little shopping center. No coat! And it was one of those real cold ones, too.

"She didn't put out her thumb or nothing like that. She just looked at my cab. Of course, I stopped. I figured maybe she had car trouble or something.

"She hopped right in the front seat. She had on this fancy kind of white dress, like she'd just been to a wedding or something, and those new kind of disco-type shoes, with the straps and that.

"She was a looker. A blond. I didn't have ideas or like that; she was young enough to be my daughter - 21 tops.

"I asked her where she was going and she said she had to get home. I asked her what was wrong, if she'd had car trouble or what but she really didn't answer me. She was fuzzy. Maybe she'd had a couple of drinks or something or was just tired. I don't know.

"Oh, the only thing she did say really was 'The snow came early this year' or 'The snows came early this year' or like that. Other than that she just nodded when I asked sometimes if we were supposed to just keep going up Archer. She was just looking out the window at the snow and the trees and that. Her mind was a million miles away. Maybe she smoked something or something. Who knows?

"A couple miles up Archer there, she jumped with a start like a horse and said 'Here! Here!' I hit the brakes.


"I looked around and didn't see no kind of house. 'Where?' I said. And then she sticks out her arm and points across the road to my left and says 'There!'

"And that's when it happened.

"I looked to my left, like this, at this little shack. And when I turned she was gone.

"Vanished!

"And the car door never opened. May the good Lord strike me dead, it never opened."

I hope Ralph is reading this, because I've learned since talking with him that there's a simple explanation for what happened.

He was understandably upset - and not just about being stiffed for the fare - both when he told me the story over the phone and when he repeated it in person.

He wouldn't tell me his last name. He wouldn't give me his telephone number or let me see the car he was going to leave in. "You might trace my phone or my plates and put my name in the paper and make me look like a maniac or an idiot," he said. "No way. I'll call you."

He says he is not an idiot or a maniac, but rather "a typical 52-year-old working guy, a veteran, father, Little League baseball coach, churchgoer, the whole shot."

This simple explanation, Ralph is that you picked up the Chicago area's preeminent ghost: Resurrection Mary. All you have to do to accept this explanation and start resting easy is to start believing in ghosts - something you seem reluctant to do.

I hadn't heard of her either when we talked. But Resurrection Mary is a legend and has been one - particularly in the Polish neighborhoods on the Southwest side and southwest suburbs of Chicago - for about 40 years. There have been numerous reported encounters with her in that time.

The ballroom was closed Friday, January 12, and for about two weeks thereafter, owing to the blizzard. But Thursday the 11th it was open until midnight, an estimated ten minutes before Ralph says he picked up his gowned hitchhiker three blocks north.

It was a special night in the ballroom: a single night, for those without escorts to come and dance the waltz and the foxtrot just the way they did here for 40 years.

In May of 1978, in a slightly different type of encounter a young couple, Shawn and Jerry were driving down Archer when suddenly they saw a girl running across the road in front of them. Jerry yelled at her husband, Shawn, "Watch out for that woman!" He later related how he hit the brakes but knew it was too late and that he was going to strike the woman with the right front bumper of the car. As they braced for the impact, he saw the car cut right through the image and the image rapidly melting away; just a soft blur on the side of the road before completely disappearing.

On Tuesday night, August 10, 1976, the Justice Police Department received a phone call from a man who stated that he was driving past the cemetery gates when he saw a girl apparently locked in. It was going on 10:30 PM when SGT. Pat Homa of the Justice Police got there at the scene. He looked for the girl flash with his spotlight and then calling out on his loud-speaker but to no avail.


However, in shining his flashlight around the gates, he discovered that two of the bars has been bent apart. Imbedded in the metal, as he looked closely, were the impressions of hand-prints and skin texture. On the surface of the green patina of the bronze were scorch marks which looked, for all the world, like skin texture.

The marks were shown to various metallurgists, copper and bronze experts but nobody could explain how those bars could have been bent. Shortly after the first of the year, 1977, the bars were blow-torched by the cemetery. They attempted to blowtorch the marks off the bars and although they burned off the scorch marks, they could not obliterate the marks that were imbedded into the metal. More people came out to see those bars so about a week before Halloween the bars were hacksawed out by the cemetery and were hidden by the cemetery officials in an attempt to keep people from coming out to see those marks.

The cemetery denies this story emphatically. They claim that the bars were bent when a front-end loader truck backed into the gates while doing sewer work and in an attempt to straighten the bars by first blowtorching them to soften them a bit and then grabbing the bars with an asphestos glove which, according to the cemetery, made the hand-marks.

The Resurrection Mausoleum is also apparently haunted; the taped organ music, alarm system and lights go on and off by themselves. Several occasions while circling the cemetery on my Excursions Into The Unknown bus tours the lights have apparently all came on by themselves even though no human being was in the building at the time. A maintenance worker who was on my tour one evening experienced that phenomena and after the tour met with me and told me that that was not possible.

On October 10, 1979 there was a massive blackout in and along Archer Avenue but only in Justice. Commonwealth Edison and the police were riding around in the cemetery shining their light in the mausoleum because it was determined that the blackout was centered in the mausoleum in the middle of the night.

On August 12, 1976, just two days after the bars were discovered bent, a Cook County squad car investigating a CB radio call, an emergency call, about a hit and run victim. A woman lying face down on the side of the cemetery frontage. The squad pulled up to the intersection of 76th and Roberts Road to find a girl in her 1965 Mustang, CB microphone still in her hands in tears. They asked the girl , where the body was that she had just reported on the side of the road? The girl said that just as the squad turned on 79th Street to come in her direction, the body on the side of the road disappeared.

A man going to work about 2:30 am had just passed Chet's Lounge on his way to Argo Cornstarch when he saw a body of a woman lying right in front of the gates. He stopped his pickup truck to look at the young lady lying in the street. She was still alive, so he went straight to the police station, got the ambulance and came right back. However, the body was gone! The impression where the body was lying was still there though.

The last weekend in August (29th, 30th and 31st ) in 1980 between Friday night and Sunday morning, she was seen by dozens of people. Many who called the Justice Police to report they had just seen her. Squad cars were dispatched and although the police did not see her, they did find a number of people, many who flagged down the squad car to report what they had just seen.

On September 7th, 1980, Claire Lopez Rudznicki was traveling with her boyfriend and two other friends. Sunday morning, they were down at the racetrack and had stopped for a pizza and were coming home just after one in the morning. They were driving south, southwesterly down Archer Avenue when they spotted a girl walking on the grass on the right-hand side of the road. Instantly three of the group said, "It's Resurrection Mary!" Claire covered her head in fear because she really thought it was a ghost. The three people who did look as the car passed this figure all aglow got a real shock when they saw the girl had no face. Just a black hole or void where the face would have been.

September 5, 1980 was apparently a very good and a very remarkable happening occurred to a south side man. Tony K. is a non-believer and was driving south on Archer after leaving a softball game on that Friday night. As he passed the Red Barrel Restaurant on Archer near Kolmar he saw a girl standing on the side of the road with a white dress. He stopped the car and asked the girl if she wanted a lift. The girl said sure and got in and asked him to take her down Archer. He tried to draw her into conversation but it was no good. Every question was answered with, "Just take me down Archer." He said to her, "You look like Resurrection Mary but I know there's no such thing as Resurrection Mary." The ghost wouldn't be drawn into that conversation at all. He tried to get her to at Chet's Lounge. He asked her if she'd like a drink. From the stoplight at 63rd and Archer until he got past the main gates of the cemetery, his foot never left the gas pedal. He was going 45 MPH. He mad one last attempt to get the girl who was in the car to his right when suddenly she was no longer there. He hadn't stopped and was going 45 MPH.

On October 23, 1980, four people spotted what appeared to be Resurrection Mary walking through the main gates on the right-hand side.

Resurrection Mary has been, in earlier years, as far away as Harlem Avenue. Just before Christmas of 1980 she was seen dancing down the street, down Archer, east of Harlem. The two young men who saw her were instantly aware that there was something very unusual taking place. They stood and watched this girl dance by them, and they got the strangest sensation. There were other people walking by who didn't even notice the girl. The fellows ran home and told their father what they had seen. They never heard of Resurrection Mary but their father recognized her by the description they provided. A week before this sighting, Mary had been seen dancing around the fence of the cemetery.

The deacon of the Greek Church on Archer has also seen her on August 29, 30 & 31 or 1980. His story was investigated by the Valley Times, a newspaper published in Lyons.

A woman who tends bar at Johnny's Route 83, located on Rt. 83 across from 107th Street. She's been working there for four weeks at the time. Her first Friday night after work, she's driving down Archer and she's in the woods just south of where Saints and Sinners used to be when she sees, on the right-hand side of the road, a blond in a white dress. She hits the brakes, turns and no more girl. Over the weekend, there were four people who saw Mary on the 2022nd of May of 1983.

A Brookfield man named Nick was returning home early Sunday morning on August 13thof 1980 along Archer en route from the Holy Cross Hellenic Church where he had been working at the church's annual picnic. When he reached the main gates of the cemetery, he noticed a black object up the road out of view of his headlights.

Between the gates and the mausoleum he said his headlights hit the figure and it was a girl in a long flowing white dress. "She walked right up to the end of the road," Nick said, "then she just walked right into the middle of my lane. I could see her clearly. She was walking very slowly and I took my foot off the pedal and the car began to slow."

Nick guessed that he was traveling around thirty-five miles an hour and estimates that the figure was in his sight for roughly 10 seconds.

"She walked to the median strip, hesitated for a minute, and that's when I passed her. She had her palms kind of turned up and I don't think she was wearing any shoes. I thought at first it was a kid, pulling a prank. But it was so dark, so desolate. Nobody else was on the road. She just walked right out there in the middle, a short-haired blond girl, with this flowing white dress, her hands outstretched like that. It was creepy!"

Some believe that the ghost is that of Mary Bregovy. A young girl who died March 10, 1934 not along Archer Avenue but in downtown Chicago, has short black hair not blond and whose grave is in a section that the cemetery says was bulldozed a number of years ago because of drainage problems. Convenient stories or the truth. I'll let the reader decide.

Resurrection Cemetery is located at 7600 S. Archer Ave. in Justice, Illinois.
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Damn right, Allison, the dead are all around you, whether you want them to be or not.
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Hmm, haven't seen Mish for a few days, hope she hasn't been attacked by any ghosts...
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CLEVELAND -- What happens after we die -- do we continue on or is this life the end?

Many of us hope there is an afterlife, and now some Arizona scientists say they have proof through their afterlife experiments.

There are many people who say they have died and come back to life. They claim to have experienced an afterlife, even if for only a short time.

Scientists at The University of Arizona have done extensive research, and say that they have the proof that when we die we continue to live beyond our physical bodies.

"Almost anyone who sees the data says there's something real here," said one of the researchers.

Allison Dubois is a spiritual medium, or someone thought to be able to communicate with the dead.

Christine Vettore was brought in for a reading with Dubois, who attempted to contact Vettore's dead relatives.

"I'm hopeful that there's an afterlife so I can see everybody I've lost already," said Vettore.

It doesn't take long -- within seconds, Dubois says Vettore's daughter is coming through.

It is a gift Dubois says she's had her whole life, but it comes with a lot of criticism.

"I think there are some people that are Charlatans, and with any profession there's going to be some bad apples, so I mean that just goes with the territory, so the ones that are accurate and are legitimate just have to prove themselves," said Dubois.

This reading is part of a science experiment -- Dr. Gary Schwartz, of the University of Arizona, is observing.

The Harvard-trained doctor looked for what he calls hits and misses, or the accuracy of the reading.

He's building on his hypothesis that there is life after death, and that mediums can talk to those who have died. After Vettore's daughter is contacted, Dubois contacted Vettore's brother and mother. She is able nail facts, giving details about the relations that she could not have known beforehand.

For instance, Dubois tells Vettore that her mother knows there's a carrot cake and a bowl of peanuts in her house.

"None of those things do I ever have in my house. I have those things in my house this month, carrot cake and peanuts, so that was weird," said Vettore.

The accuracy is amazing to Vettore, because she had never met or talked to Dubois before. She said Dubois was accurate in 80 to 90 percent of everything she said.

Skeptics say that Dubois is just guessing, but Schwartz says it is impossible for someone to guess and be that accurate.

For the past seven years, he has been testing mediums and other things tied to death, using science to explain what happens when we leave our physical bodies.

"Saying that this is against the grain with academia sort of puts it mildly," said Schwartz.

Schwartz has done multiple experiments under very controlled conditions. One of the most intriguing studies included five of the most respected mediums in the world, hooked up to monitors and computers.

In the experiment, 10 people were read by the five mediums. In lab conditions, a medium sat down with an individual and there would be a divider between them.

When that medium finished, the next would come in, until all five mediums had given a reading for the individual.

Schwartz and his staff would then compare the readings. They were astonished to find that in most cases, the mediums would bring through the same people and the same messages, with an 80-90 percent accuracy rate.

"There are so many people that are going to try to find holes in what we've done there is not a hole to find when we agree, or get a final protocol done," said Schwartz.

The scientists call their findings survival of consciousness -- meaning our physical bodies die, but we continue on.

The research continues with studies that include near-death survivors.

Schwartz says near-death experience research completely dovetails and supports what's coming from the mediums.

He says he will continue his research, and that the data doesn't lie.

"When you look at the totality of the data from our laboratory, the simplest explanation is actually that survival of consciousness is real," said Schwartz.


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The Nature of Ghosts
From: http://www.mysticalblaze.com/GhostsNature.htm

Although ghosts and apparitions have been reported for thousands of years, surprisingly little information is available with regard to their nature or essence. Ghosts are an elusive and unpredictable, and the ways in which they manifest are surprisingly diverse. Contrary to popular belief, most ghostly encounters are not visual, but rather consist of noises, smells, sensations, voices, cold spots, electrical disturbances such as lights switching off or on, and displacement or movement of objects. Much of the available data is anecdotal and is therefore prone to exaggeration, embellishment, and sometimes outright deceit.

Although studies suggest that approximately 1 in 10 of us has the ability to perceive ghosts, those of us who are actively looking for them are apparently the least likely to have a ghostly experience. Children seem more apt to experience manifestations, suggesting that adults develop some kind of blocking mechanism as they mature. Women seem more attuned than men, and it appears that the higher your IQ, the less likely you are to experience ghostly phenomena.

So where does this leave us? Below are five interesting theories to consider regarding the basics of ghostly manifestations......

Theory #1:
Ghosts are the earthbound souls of the deceased.
This is the most common interpretation when confronted with a visible apparition, and it certainly does fit many hauntings where the apparition is more or less recognizable as someone who is deceased. For most of us, this theory is also comforting, as it hints at a life after the physical body is gone.

One common example of this type of manifestation is when an individual suddenly becomes aware of the death of a loved one through one or more senses. This type of occurrence is often visual, but may just be a sudden "feeling" as if relayed telepathically, or may even come in the form of a vivid dream. Typically, this type of manifestation relays important information to the observer.

We know from science that everything is composed of energy. Our thoughts, feelings, sensations, experiences, and indeed our very souls are all forms of energy. The theory is that when the physical body dies, this energy continues on in some form and can be tapped by living persons sensitive enough to perceive it. Animals seem to be quite sensitive to this type of energy, and many very reliable reports of them avoiding certain rooms, chasing unseen prey, or sitting contently as if being stroked and petted have been recorded throughout history - another indication that this type of phenomena is quite interactive.

Theory #2:
Events are somehow recorded in certain surroundings to be replayed over and over to living people sensitive enough to discern them.
This theory accounts for a lot of our ghost legends and is likely the source for virtually all hauntings that repeat again and again, such as the many "lady in white" sightings and ghostly battle reenactments. These apparitions are often visual, but sounds and smells are common too. The catalyst that starts the recording is usually very emotional or violent, such as a war or a mother losing a child. These apparitions never interact with the observer or acknowledge the presence of the observer in any way. They are reported as walking through walls or just disappearing into thin air, and they do not appear to be conducive to photography, though EVP recordings are occasionally successful.

Although most concur that these types of apparitions do appear to be "recorded" somehow in the surroundings, there is disagreement on how exactly we as observers perceive these recordings. One side postulates that it is something within the observer that sets the recording in motion, and that the recording thus "plays inside our heads." The other side postulates that the recording is being played externally for all to see, but that only those with the right "antenna" can experience it.

Thus, as frightening as this type of manifestation may be, the apparition is not a thinking entity, nor does it have a will or a purpose, and it is no more of a threat to the observer than watching a character on a television show.

Theory #3:
Apparitions are created from some type of naturally-occurring electrical, magnetic, or electromagnetic condition.
Many serious paranormal researchers believe that measurable properties such as electricity or magnetism play a part in why we experience ghostly encounters. Equipment for detecting anomalies in atmospheric, electrical, and magnetic conditions for the purposes of detecting paranormal activity is big business these days.

Many different variations on this theme have been postulated through time, likely originating with the "feelings" reported by observers in the vicinity of paranormal phenomena. Feelings of "magnetism" are often reported, as are sensations that the hair is "standing on end," a common occurrence around fields of high electricity. Temperature fluctuations have become the litmus test for detecting activity, as have vague feelings of the area being "energized" by some unknown process.

Many different theories regarding how naturally-occurring elements may interact to allow for paranormal phenomena have been offered, and include exotic theories ranging from energy emitted from earth ley lines, natural geologic fault lines creating bursts of energy, or some kind of natural vibration or earth harmonic.

One of the few things we do know for sure is that paranormal phenomena is more likely to be experienced at night, and sure enough, there is an scientific explanation for why this may be. In short, the earth is covered by a fluctuating membrane we all know as the atmosphere, which is constantly being bombarded by a strong solar wind from the sun. During the day, this membrane is at its thinnest and densest because it is being directly hit by the solar wind. However, at night, when sheltered from the sun, it expands much farther into space and has much less resistance (see illustration below). This explains why television and radio stations come in better at night, and why you can tune into stations much farther away than is possible during the day.


Therefore, the reason we see more paranormal activity at night is because there is much less resistance to every kind of magnetic and electrical current or force, making it easier for energy-based manifestations to appear. Indeed, the best time to go on ghost hunts is widely believed to be between 9 pm and 3 am, with midnight being optimal. For these same reasons, since ancient times, total eclipses of the sun have been the source of many legends and tales of paranormal occurrences.

Anyone who has ever gone on a ghost hunt has likely realized before too long that ghosts can be annoyingly camera shy, and the explanation for this may very well be related to the above discussion of electricity and magnetism. It stands to reason that if paranormal occurrences are energy-based, the arrival on the scene of man-made energy-based devices may put a kink in the environment needed for the apparition to appear. Even a battery-operated digital camera, voice recorder, or flashlight may put out enough energy to disrupt the natural energy of an area, to the chagrin of ghost hunters everywhere. This might explain why as a whole we are remarkably unsuccessful at capturing verifiable ghosts on film.

Theory #4:
Ghosts are actual beings living in one or more parallel dimensions.
The concept of a parallel universe is a fairly complex one. To put it simply, this theory suggests that there are one or more (perhaps an infinite number) of complete universes co-existing with us on a plane we are generally not aware of. Picture a lot of soap bubbles all floating around in a room. Each soap bubble contains an entire unique universe, and though there are hundreds of bubbles in the air, each is independent of all the others. Occasionally, two bubbles will collide and stick together, creating a passageway between the two universes.

Any type of spectral appearance, sight, sound, or anomaly can fit into the theory of parallel dimensions. Thus, when we see an apparition, especially one seemingly from another time and place, it could be that we getting a rare glimpse into another dimension or reality and we are seeing events develop in that plane of existence.

Interestingly, it is also theorized that each of us even have parallel selves living on different planes in different stages of development and that we may be aware of them at times on a subconscious level. Obviously, this theory is just that - a theory - but it is a particularly tantalizing one, and hopefully we we progress technologically, more scientific light will be shed on this topic. For more information in this same vein, please see Other Dimensions.

Theory #5:
Ghosts exist only as figments of our imaginations.
This theory can be made to apply to every kind of paranormal manifestation there is, and in some cases, it is probably at least in part correct. Medical studies have proven that when certain parts of the brain are stimulated, various perceptions are disturbed, such as visual, auditory, and tactile functions. Various external stimuli such as very low frequency sound waves and high fields of electricity can cause hallucinatory experiences that for the subject are indistinguishable from reality.

Indeed, schizophrenics often relate seeing, hearing, and even talking to very real entities that nobody else can see or hear, but medical science thus far has not found the cause for this. Are they really seeing things that nobody else can see or hear? The consensus seems to be no - it is "all in their heads" due to an unknown short circuit in the make-up of their brains, but nobody really knows for sure. Further study in this particular type of mental disorder may eventually shed light on some areas of the paranormal. However, there are still a lot of questions left unanswered by this theory, such as when more than one person sees the same phenomena. Skeptics use the term "mass hysteria" for situations like this, but nobody has offered an explanation for the core catalyst causing many brains to suddenly go haywire.

Obviously, this theory needs a lot of work, but it will probably be among the first to be proven or disproven by science. Time will tell....

http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Ghost/nature_of_ghosts.htm
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Europa - Killer posts! I love the bit about people who see ghosts normally having a low IQ!!I'm in trouble!!! :-) Hillarious!!! :-)

Here's a new thought guys... Unknown brought up auras to me recently and explained a bit about what they were, and it got me thinking... I was told years ago that I had a really big, purple aura. Unknown told me this is supposed to mean I am a very spiritual person. What I am wondering is if since reading an aura with K(?)-photos is like measuring a persons 'energy field', what if certain colors corresponded with certain frequencies (like since I am purple, I would be a high freqency person) and that frequency is what is needed to amplify the ghost frequency. Maybe this could mean that other 'purple' people (HA!) could also access the ghost visions I had if they were at the same house. Maybe my siblings are of a different vibrational frequency, and thereby colour, and hence did not amplify the 'ghosts' the way I did naturally, so therefore did not see them like I did. Hmmmm.

Do any of you know anything about auras and that Kirilian (Huh?) photography that lets them photograph the human aura? Do auras change over time or are they always the same - like a fingerprint? Maybe there is a correlation with people who 'see ghosts' or experience visions like I did having a specific frequency they vibrate at that is in harmony with the recording or ghost and thereby magnifies it to manifestation. Any thoughts?

Oh, BTW, I love ressurection Mary too. She is a ghost that really gets me because she moves around and dances with people! So much for my recording theory with her!!! :-)

And Aries, thanks for missing me. No ghosts have gotten me......yet. Heh-heh! :-)
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