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The Eighth Continent

Charles Berlitz

Supposing that the land mass of Atlantis were shaken by earthquakes, as most of it descended into the sea, it would still have been possible for some forms of life to have survived on the tops of its mountains, which became small islands over the
surface of the sea.  This possibility would explain the survival on some of the isolated Atlantic islands of animals whose presence there would be difficult to
otherwise explain, unless they were brought there in ships from other continents.

The Canary Islands were not named for birds but for dogs (Latin: canes) observed
in quantity by early European visitors.  The dogs were native to the islands, as were the islanders themselves, who had not broought the dogs or other animals such as goats, sheep and cattle to the islands by boat from Africa or Europe.  In
fact, the indigenous Canary Islanders did not use boats, so greatly did they fear the sea and remembered the legends of their former homeland being swallowed by the ocean.

There is also the matter of a small crustacean and its connection with the legend
of Atlantis.  In Lanzarote, one of the Canaries, where  there are ancient buildings and tombs of undetermined age and origin, there exists a small, blind species of
shrimp, the "munidopsis polymorpha", which has residual eyes, but has lost its sight, is closely related to another local crustacean, the"munidopsis tridentata",
practically identical to the first except that, not being locked into the subterranean tidal pool, it is able to see.  A theoretical explanation of the loss of sight by the
"munidopsis polymorpha" is that it was trapped within the dark subterranean pool
by a sudden seismic shift and, remaining in total darkness and not needing vision, lost it over the intervening centuries.

There were no people living on the Azores when the first recorded European navigators arrived, but there were so many land birds and rabbits evident that the explorers named the group of islands after hawks (Acores) and the individual islands after the land birds or animals found there.  The present islands of Sao
Miguel, Corvo and Flores were recorded on the earliest maps as the Portuguese equivalent of "Isle of Doves, Isle of Crows and Isle of Rabbits".  But there is no
explanation for the presence of these mainland birds and animals on small
islands a thousand miles from the nearest continent.

Two kinds of seals, the monk and the siren, are found off the coast of the Azores,
although they both belong to a variety of seals that frequent continental coasts or inland seas: the monk seal of the coastal water of the Mediterranean and the Caribean and the siren seal of the coastal water of west Africa and eastern South America.

As a supporting statement to the theory that such seals were among the birds and
animals isolated on the ocean islands after the diappearance of their former habitat of continental proportion, there exists an unusual reference in classical
literature about seals AND Atlantis.  Aelien, a classical writer of the thid century AD,
made mention of the "rams of the sea" (seals) in his work entitled THE NATURE OF ANIMALS.  He wrote "....the male ram has around his forehead a white band.  One would say it resembled the diadem of Lysimachus or Antigonus or some other Macedonian king.  The inhabitants of the shores of the ocean tell that in former
times the kings of Atlantis, descendants of Poseidon, wore on their heads, as a mark of power, the headband of the male rams and that their wives, the queens, wore, as a sign of their power, headbands of the female rams."

This passing reference to the use of seal skin in Atlantis as a royal headpiece is an
example of how a minor observation about dress, in this case, a style of head
covering, can serve many centuries later as a substantiation of theories having to do with zoology, geology, oceanography and the prehistory of the world.
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2007, 08:10:44 am »

EELS, SEALS, BIRDS AND SHRIMPS                                                          continued

Even such ephemeral species as butterflies have been suggested as a linkage
between the existing continents or the western and eastern shores of the Atlantic and a former continent in the middle of the ocean.  Among the species of butterflies extant in the Atlantic islands, two-thirds also exist in Europe and Africa and almost one-third in the Americas.  Lewis Spence, the Scottish Atlantologist, has
suggested that the "catopsilia" butterfly of the north coast of South America may
genetically remember a land area in the ocean northeast of Guyana, since every year the male butterflies of this species undertake a fatal mass flight over the ocean until, "in great coloured clouds, they fly into the sea."

The instinctive urge of animals,birds and insects to return to a remote homeland or breeding ground is termed NOSTOPHILIA and may also explain a striking phenome-
non reported by seamen and fishermen in an area south of the Azores as they observed flocks of migratory birds,  on their annual winter flight from Europe to South America.  As the birds arrive within this area, the flocks begin to circle around
over the open sea as if looking for a place to land,some of  the tired birds falling into the ocean.  After flying in great concentric circles and not finding land, the birds continue their flight and eventually repeat the same process when they return from
South America.

This instinctive memory may also explain the mysterious mass suicide of the lemm-
ings, small Norwegian rodents that periodically overbreed and exhaust their food supply.  At this point, some latent instinct impels them toward the shores of the Atlantic where, in great swarms, they enter the ocean and swim westward until they all drown.  This instinct, which effectively serves as a form of population control, has also frequently been attributed by partisans of Atlantis to an instinctive
memory of a land that once existed in the west, perhaps a common homeland, shared with other small continental animals, where food could be found by the starving lemming horde.

But perhaps the most striking example of instinctive memory is the case of the European and American eels, both of which species make a journey over thousands
of miles of rivers, seas and oceans, eventually to spawn in one of the most mysterious areas of the Atlantic Ocean - the Sargasso Sea - considered by some investigators to cover what was once the western part of the continent of Atlantis.

Aristotle, the Athenian philosopher, a pupil and later critic of Plato, was also an in-
terested observer of natural phenomena.  He made the first historical comment on
the breeding habits of the European eel, which, every two years, disappeared from the lakes and ponds of Europe and swam at sea, swam back up the rivers to the lakes, but their breeding grounds, somewhere at sea, remained unknown. 

It was not until the middle of the present century (20th), that the mystery of the
breeding ground was solved.  It is now known that the eels go to the Sargasso
Sea, making their way under the ocean in a single enormous bank of eels in a journey that takes four months to complete.  When they arrive at a point within the Sargasso, they spawn in underwater concentrations of seaweed, which protects the eggs, then die.  The young eels return to Europe via the northern
sweep of the Gulf Stream and the process repeats itself after another two years.

Aristotle would have been even more puzzled had he known about the eels from America, which accomplish a similar underwater pilgrimage to the Sargasso Sea but
in inverse order to that of the European eels;from the west to the east, returning to America following the southern, westerly-directed sweep of the Gulf Stream   (the same route followed by Columbus).

Although the mystery appears to be solved, the explanation is elusive.  Possibly the genetic memory of eels on both sides of the Atlantic forces them to return to an ancestral breeding ground, a river or former waterway now covered by the sea, but whose residual vegetation, the seaweed of the Sargasso Sea, still affords the young eels the protection they need for survival.

It is also interesting to reflect that Aristotle, the skeptic who derided Plato's account of Atlantis, was the first to call attention to the mystery of the eel migration, which itself has become a thought-provoking suggestion concerning the one-time existence of a continental land mass now beneath the Atlantic Ocean.



The Eighth Continent

Charles Berlitz
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2007, 09:49:48 am »

Hi Bianca

Hard at work again, I see!

I think this biological evidence is some of the strongest evidence for Atlantis. Thanks..,
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2007, 10:09:10 am »

The question of how animals and birds may have reached the Azores or Canaries applies equally to Atlantis - assuming it were a large, mid Atlantic Island.

Unless it had been connected to mainland Europe or N America in recent geological time, one would expect it's flora and fauna to have evolved into different forms - just as happened on Australia.  And, indeed, how, why and when would humans have reached the island?

This, IMO, is one of the strongest arguments against a mid Atlantic Atlantis.

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2007, 12:44:01 pm »


This may seem like sound reasoning
if you stood logic on its head
But that posture is not pleasing
so lets put this argument to bed

It is not a question of how various species got to Atlantis

1. Its a guestion of why do migratory animals return to the same location in Atlantic ocean every year

         a. The answer is quite obvious, it was at one time their original destination.

          b. Since eels spawn in fresh water, and birds lay their eggs on dry land, I think its reasonable   
              to assume this location was at one time above water.

2. Since we are talking about migratory animals that travel between continents, I fail to see how

    environmental isolation can apply to them.

3. How various species got to Atlantis is a seperate question, but I refer you to your own example of

    Australia for a clue. The majority species that live in Australia, where there when the continent

    seperated from eurasia.


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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2007, 01:05:00 pm »

Thank you, Unknown;

Regardless of whether it was Plato's Atlantis or not, there are umpteenth  clues that point to the fact that a landmass or
landmasses once were above water in today's Atlantic Ocean.

The same is possibly true of the Mediterranean Sea, especially,
as it is much smaller and way more shallow.  It also contains a
massive amount of still active or dead volcanoes, way too many
for such a small, contained area.  All one has to do is look at the
Lipari Island, just offshore of Sicily's northeast shore.

Plain common sense.

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ATLANTIS - The Eighth Continent

Charles Berlitz - 1984

During the last several thousand years, the finding of gigantic bones of
dinosaurs in remote areas of the world has doubtelessly given rise to world-
wide legends about dragons.

Some cultures have tried to "pad out" the bones in an effort to portray how
the monstrous animals looked when they were alive and it is to these
attempts that we probably owe the general concept of dragons as depicted
on the walls of Babylon, in the old legends of Europe and the art forms of

Some Western theologians of two centuries ago explained the giant dino-
saur bones as having been created (and buried") by God when He made the

The practical Chinese, however, for centuries have ground up the bones found
in the Gobi Desert into dragon-bone pills, a reputedly effective remedy still
being used for a multitude of ailments and for the reinforcement of virility.

Some reptiles resembling small dragons are still alive.  The Komodo dragons, or
giant lizards of Indonesia, ten-foot-long saurians, can still be observed on their
survival island of Komodo.  t\The persistent native legends about the existence of
these "dragons', at least, have proved to be an undeniable fact, as observers who
have been attacked and bitten by them, can testify.
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There exists a possibility that other isolated survivals of a few species of
prehistoric animals continued to exist into the time frame of former civi-
lizations on the planet; that is, before the end of the last Glacial Age,
12,000 years ago

On an example of ancient Scythian goldwork from southern Russia, a
struggle between hunters and animals shows men fighting what appears
to be a clear portrayal of a saber-toothed tiger, suggesting this animal
survived to an age in which man was already sufficiently developed in the
use of metals to cast this prehistoric tiger in gold, as an adornment.

But it is in the Americas that the greatest survival mysteries occur.  On
ceramic pottery unearthed in the ruins of Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, and also
on stonework there, an animal is shown that is easily recognizable as a
paleontological reproduction of a toxodon, an animal resembling a hippo-
potamus, supposedly extinct for millions of years.

The site of this unusual discovery is in itself extraordinary: Tiahuanaco,
now 13,000 feet above sea level, gives indications of having been con-
structed at a time so long ago (estimated by the archaeologist Posnansky
at 13,000BC), that the climate, as well as the ALTITUDE, has since changed. 

It appears to have been a port, because of stone docks and quays, but
the only nearby water is Lake Titicaca, several miles away.
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Tiahuanaco must at one time have supported a large population, in
order to have built the great city of which only ruins remain, but the
area is too high and too barren to support such culture.

The remains of extensive terraced cornfields, found under the perma-
nent snow on the surrounding mountains, are an indication that the
climate was once considerably warmer and that agriculture once
supported a large population.

Saltwater ocean fossils are found on the land, in the mountains and
under Lake Titicaca.  The probability of the whole area having risen
from sea level is reinforced, because of the great fault running through
the Andes chain and the fact that the Andes are the most recent of
the world's great mountains, the western part being about 30,000
years old.

The rising of the Andes may have been accelerated by the same enor-
mous Earth change that resulted in the sinking of Atlantis and that
caused parts of the South American coast to crest into the heights of
the Andean plateau.
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The elevation of the Andes Mountains, from four miles below sea level
at the Nazca-Milne Trench, then, within 125 miles, to a height of four
miles above sea level in Peru and Bolivia, is one of the most precipitous
elevations in the world's geology.

In widely separated areas of North and South America, construction of
earth mounds and artificial shaping of hills and cliffs show familiarity on
the part of the ancient artisans with animals supposedly extinct in the
Americas for thousands and, in some cases, millions of years.

A great mound in Wisconsin is shaped like the outline of an elephant or
mastodon, perhaps meant to be recognizable only from the sky, like the
animals of Nazca, Peru.

Some pre-Incan people carved the rock cliffs of the Marcahuasi Plateau
in Peru into huge representations of lions, camels and something resem-
bling a stegosaurus.
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In the vicinity of the village of Ocucaje and Ica, in Peru, a collection
of rounded stones, totaling perhaps 16,000 and weighing from five
pounds up to huge boulders of 800, pounds has been amassed by Dr.
Javier Cabrera, who has about 11,000 of them in his crowded museum.

What is unusual about these "stones of Ica" is that they are covered
with incised drawings ostensibly made by carvers of past civilizations.

The engraved drawings show people, extant and extinct animals, star
maps, the star ring of the Zodiac, and maps of unidentifued land areas.

The people are shown hunting or struggling with a variety of monsters
that resemble brontosaurs, triceratops, stegosaurs and pterodactyls,
which properly belong to the Mesozoic Era. 

Even more surprisingly, human beings are portrayed as having domes-
ticated animals that appear to be dinosaurs and are using them for
transportation and warfare.  People are shown using telescopes, looking
at the stars, and performing surgery.

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Understandably, these "picture stories" have been qualified as spurious by
archaeologists, especially since their source has not been precisely pin-
pointed for them to be examined IN SITU and new stones keep appearing
- the number is now approaching 50,000. 

In addition, one of the local villagers admists to having manufactured a
number of like stones for sale to archaeologists, an example of business
acumen on the part of the supposedly simple natives, not limited to Peru.

The Peruvian authorities eventually decided to classify the stones not as
antiquities, which cannot be exported, but simply as artifacts to be labeled
"made in Peru", as they all, the old and the new, undoubtedly were.

These undatable stones would be easy to dismiss as one more example of
archaeological "plants" were it not for a report of their having been sent
back to Spain by Spanish explorers in 1562 - an indication that the stones
are at least not of recent origin.  That they are at least several centuries
old is attested to by the oxidation produced by the aging of minerals cover-
ing the incisions of the drawings.   

Also, their very number, their size, and the time it would have taken to
completely cover them with incised pictures would tend to indicate that a
number of them are what they appear to be, however active the imagination
of the original carvers.
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As far as the logistics of a modern family group carving the thousands of
stones and then planting them to be discovered, it has been observed by
Hamilton Forman, an amateur archaeologist who has researched the
mystery of the Ica Stones:  "If one family did this, they must have had an
army of elves helping them.:

Another unusual find of apparently ancient models of prehistoric animal and
men was made near the town of Acambaro, in the Mexican state of Guana-
juato.  This series of finds has been the subject of meticulous archaeological
investigation which, however, has not yet identified or dated the culture to
the satisfaction of the majority of archaeologists.

The figures were first found by Waldemar Julsrud, a Danish storekeeper living
in Acambaro.  In 1925 Julrud was on an inspection tour of his ranch, which he
was making on horsebck, accompanied by his foreman, when he noticed a
small ceramic figure projecting from the side of a rut in the rain-washed road.

The artifact was of a type quite unlike other Indian artifacts previously found
in the area and, when he probed further, he began to uncover additional mo-
dels of people and animals resembling those portrayed on the Ica stones, the
giant saurians of the Jurassic period of millions of years ago.

Julrud instructed his foreman, Tinajero, to look for further figures and subse-
quently paid him for such finds, apparently modestly, since julrud eventually was
able to amass 33,000 of them.
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The human figures and the animals were frequently portrayed together.
Some of the dinosaur-like reptiles appear with women in non-violent or
non-hunting situations, as though they were domestic animals or pets.

The human figures show details of dress somewhat resembling those of
the ancient middle East; laced sandals, chain mail, shields and a variety
of weapons.

Since the figurines are made of clay, containing bits of organic material
inside them, some of the artifacts have been dated.  According to carbon
14 test, some of them were made in 5930BC, +/- 170 years, while others
appear to be of contemporaneous manufacture.  This anomaly can doubt-
less be explained by the reward offered by Julsrud to the local Indians for
additional artifacts, which encouraged them to make copies of the works of
their presumed ancestors.

Nevertheless, the verified ancient dates obtained from the Acambaro figures
would establish this Indian or pre-Indian culture as having existed thousands
of years before any other accepted date of Amerindian civilization.

Other anachronistic drawings in out-of-the-way places cannot be dated.  On
a wall of the Havasupai Canyon in California, for example, some ancient artist
has sketched a tyrannosaurus characteristically standing straight up with the
additional support of its great tail, possibly a good guess on the part of the
artist in an attempt to show how the great animal, whose bones were found
nearby, would look if he were alive.
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Ancient drawings or carvings of extinct animals, while they suggest through
carbon-14 dating when possible that civilized or semicivilized man is conside-
rably older than previously supposed, do not prove, of course, that human
beings encountered surviving species of animals from the Jurassic period.

It is nevertheless interesting to single out the example of the coelanth, a fish
with "legs", which has survived its supposed extinction twenty million years ago
and is apparently still living in the Indian Ocean, where several examples have
been caught within the past few years.

Perhaps, like the coelacanth and the giant sloth of South America, other modi-
fied species from former periods have survived into the Pleistocene epoch, which
ended, like fabled Atlantis, about 12,000 years ago.

But we do not need statuettes, drawings or cave paintings to prove the presence
and subsequent sudden deaths of a multitude of large animals in different parts
of the world.

The finding of their bones and quick-frozen bodies suggests a connection with a
worldwide catastrophe both through the time of their death and the manner in which
they died.  This occurred in the case of the protoelephants that suddenly vanished
in a variety of areas about 12,000 years ago, as a result of sudden climatic changes
or other disaster.
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