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Love everyone's contributions here. It appears we are making our own bastion of knowledge for the knowledge of the ancients.

Here is mine, one of the teachers at Alexandria, a man who's ideas could have changed the world had the world actually had the intelligence to utilize more of the principles he came up with:


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Heron of Alexandria

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Born: about 10 in (possibly) Alexandria, Egypt
Died: about 75

Sometimes called Hero, Heron of Alexandria was an important geometer and worker in mechanics. Perhaps the first comment worth making is how common the name Heron was around this time and it is a difficult problem in the history of mathematics to identify which references to Heron are to the mathematician described in this article and which are to others of the same name. There are additional problems of identification which we discuss below.

A major difficulty regarding Heron was to establish the date at which he lived. There were two main schools of thought on this, one believing that he lived around 150 BC and the second believing that he lived around 250 AD. The first of these was based mainly on the fact that Heron does not quote from any work later than Archimedes. The second was based on an argument which purported to show that he lived later that Ptolemy, and, since Pappus refers to Heron, before Pappus.

Both of these arguments have been shown to be wrong. There was a third date proposed which was based on the belief that Heron was a contemporary of Columella. Columella was a Roman soldier and farmer who wrote extensively on agriculture and similar subjects, hoping to foster in people a love for farming and a liking for the simple life. Columella, in a text written in about 62 AD [5]:-

... gave measurements of plane figures which agree with the formulas used by Heron, notably those for the equilateral triangle, the regular hexagon (in this case not only the formula but the actual figures agree with Heron's) and the segment of a circle which is less than a semicircle ...

However, most historians believed that both Columella and Heron were using an earlier source and claimed that the similarity did not prove any dependence. We now know that those who believed that Heron lived around the time of Columella were in fact correct, for Neugebauer in 1938 discovered that Heron referred to a recent eclipse in one of his works which, from the information given by Heron, he was able to identify with one which took place in Alexandria at 23.00 hours on 13 March 62.

From Heron's writings it is reasonable to deduce that he taught at the Museum in Alexandria. His works look like lecture notes from courses he must have given there on mathematics, physics, pneumatics, and mechanics. Some are clearly textbooks while others are perhaps drafts of lecture notes not yet worked into final form for a student textbook.

Pappus describes the contribution of Heron in Book VIII of his Mathematical Collection. Pappus writes (see for example [8]):-

The mechanicians of Heron's school say that mechanics can be divided into a theoretical and a manual part; the theoretical part is composed of geometry, arithmetic, astronomy and physics, the manual of work in metals, architecture, carpentering and painting and anything involving skill with the hands.

... the ancients also describe as mechanicians the wonder-workers, of whom some work by means of pneumatics, as Heron in his Pneumatica, some by using strings and ropes, thinking to imitate the movements of living things, as Heron in his Automata and Balancings, ... or by using water to tell the time, as Heron in his Hydria, which appears to have affinities with the science of sundials.
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On the dioptra dealing with theodolites and surveying. It contains a chapter on astronomy giving a method to find the distance between Alexandria and Rome using the difference between local times at which an eclipse of the moon is observed at each cities. The fact that Ptolemy does not appear to have known of this method led historians to mistakenly believe Heron lived after Ptolemy;

The pneumatica in two books studying mechanical devices worked by air, steam or water pressure. It is described in more detail below;

The automaton theatre describing a puppet theatre worked by strings, drums and weights;

Belopoeica describing how to construct engines of war. It has some similarities with work by Philon and also work by Vitruvius who was a Roman architect and engineer who lived in the 1st century BC;

The cheirobalistra about catapults is thought to be part of a dictionary of catapults but was almost certainly not written by Heron;

Mechanica in three books written for architects and described in more detail below;

Metrica which gives methods of measurement. We give more details below;
Definitiones contains 133 definitions of geometrical terms beginning with points, lines etc. In [15] Knorr argues convincingly that this work is in fact due to Diophantus;

Geometria seems to be a different version of the first chapter of the Metrica based entirely on examples. Although based on Heron's work it is not thought to be written by him;

Stereometrica measures three-dimensional objects and is at least in part based on the second chapter of the Metrica again based on examples. Again it is though to be based on Heron's work but greatly changed by many later editors;

Mensurae measures a whole variety of different objects and is connected with parts of Stereometrica and Metrica although it must be mainly the work of a later author;

Catoprica deals with mirrors and is attributed by some historians to Ptolemy although most now seem to believe that this is a genuine work of Heron. In this work, Heron states that vision results from light rays emitted by the eyes. He believes that these rays travel with infinite velocity.

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Heron.html

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Let us examine some of Heron's work in a little more depth. Book I of his treatise Metrica deals with areas of triangles, quadrilaterals, regular polygons of between 3 and 12 sides, surfaces of cones, cylinders, prisms, pyramids, spheres etc. A method, known to the Babylonians 2000 years before, is also given for approximating the square root of a number. Heron gives this in the following form (see for example [5]):-

Since 720 has not its side rational, we can obtain its side within a very small difference as follows. Since the next succeeding square number is 729, which has 27 for its side, divide 720 by 27. This gives 26 2/3. Add 27 to this, making 53 2/3, and take half this or 26 5/6. The side of 720 will therefore be very nearly 26 5/6. In fact, if we multiply 26 5/6 by itself, the product is 720 1/36, so the difference in the square is 1/36. If we desire to make the difference smaller still than 1/36, we shall take 720 1/36 instead of 729 (or rather we should take 26 5/6 instead of 27), and by proceeding in the same way we shall find the resulting difference much less than 1/36.

Heron also proves his famous formula in Book I of the Metrica :

if A is the area of a triangle with sides a, b and c and s = (a + b + c)/2 then
A2 = s (s - a)(s - b)(s - c).

In Book II of Metrica, Heron considers the measurement of volumes of various three dimensional figures such as spheres, cylinders, cones, prisms, pyramids etc. His preface is interesting, partly because knowledge of the work of Archimedes does not seem to be as widely known as one might expect (see for example [5]):-

After the measurement of surfaces, rectilinear or not, it is proper to proceed to solid bodies, the surfaces of which we have already measured in the preceding book, surfaces plane and spherical, conical and cylindrical, and irregular surfaces as well. The methods of dealing with these solids are, in view of their surprising character, referred to Archimedes by certain writers who give the traditional account of their origin. But whether they belong to Archimedes or another, it is necessary to give a sketch of these results as well.

Book III of Metrica deals with dividing areas and volumes according to a given ratio. This was a problem which Euclid investigated in his work On divisions of figures and Heron's Book III has a lot in common with the work of Euclid. Also in Book III, Heron gives a method to find the cube root of a number. In particular Heron finds the cube root of 100 and the authors of [9] give a general formula for the cube root of N which Heron seems to have used in his calculation:

a + b d/(b d + aD)(b - a),
where a3 < N < b3, d = N - a3, D = b3 - N.

In [9] it is remarked that this is a very accurate formula, but, unless a Byzantine copyist is to be blamed for an error, they conclude that Heron might have borrowed this accurate formula without understanding how to use it in general.

The Pneumatica is a strange work which is written in two book, the first with 43 chapters and the second with 37 chapters. Heron begins with a theoretical consideration of pressure in fluids. Some of this theory is right but, not surprisingly, some is quite wrong. Then there follows a description of a whole collection of what might best be described as mechanical toys for children [1]:-

Trick jars that give out wine or water separately or in constant proportions, singing birds and sounding trumpets, puppets that move when a fire is lit on an altar, animals that drink when they are offered water ...

Although all this seems very trivial for a scientist to be involved with, it would appear that Heron is using these toys as a vehicle for teaching physics to his students. It seems to be an attempt to make scientific theories relevant to everyday items that students of the time would be familiar with.

There is, rather remarkably, descriptions of over 100 machines such as a fire engine, a wind organ, a coin-operated machine, and a steam-powered engine called an aeolipile. Heron's aeolipile, which has much in common with a jet engine, is described in [2] as follows:-

The aeolipile was a hollow sphere mounted so that it could turn on a pair of hollow tubes that provided steam to the sphere from a cauldron. The steam escaped from the sphere from one or more bent tubes projecting from its equator, causing the sphere to revolve. The aeolipile is the first known device to transform steam into rotary motion.

Heron wrote a number of important treatises on mechanics. They give methods of lifting heavy weights and describe simple mechanical machines. In particular the Mechanica is based quite closely on ideas due to Archimedes. Book I examines how to construct three dimensional shapes in a given proportion to a given shape. It also examines the theory of motion, certain statics problems, and the theory of the balance.

In Book II Heron discusses lifting heavy objects with a lever, a pulley, a wedge, or a screw. There is a discussion on centres of gravity of plane figures. Book III examines methods of transporting objects by such means as sledges, the use of cranes, and looks at wine presses.

Other works have been attributed to Heron, and for some of these we have fragments, for others there are only references. The works for which fragments survive include one on Water clocks in four books, and Commentary on Euclid's Elements which must have covered at least the first eight books of the Elements. Works by Heron which are referred to, but no trace survives, include Camarica or On vaultings which is mentioned by Eutocius and Zygia or On balancing mentioned by Pappus. Also in the Fihrist, a tenth century survey of Islamic culture, a work by Heron on how to use an astrolabe is mentioned.

Finally it is interesting to look at the opinions that various writers have expressed as to the quality and importance of Heron. Neugebauer writes [7]:-

The decipherment of the mathematical cuneiform texts made it clear that much of the "Heronic" type of Greek mathematics is simply the last phase of the Babylonian mathematical tradition which extends over 1800 years.

Some have considered Heron to be an ignorant artisan who copied the contents of his books without understanding what he wrote. This in particular has been levelled against the Pneumatica but Drachmann, writing in [1], says:-

... to me the free flowing, rather discursive style suggests a man well versed in his subject who is giving a quick summary to an audience that knows, or who might be expected to know, a good deal about it.

Some scholars have approved of Heron's practical skills as a surveyor but claimed that his knowledge of science was negligible. However, Mahony writes in [1]:-

In the light of recent scholarship, he now appears as a well-educated and often ingenious applied mathematician, as well as a vital link in a continuous tradition of practical mathematics from the Babylonians, through the Arabs, to Renaissance Europe.

Finally Heath writes in [5]:-

The practical utility of Heron's manuals being so great, it was natural that they should have great vogue, and equally natural that the most popular of them at any rate should be re-edited, altered and added to by later writers; this was inevitable with books which, like the "Elements" of Euclid, were in regular use in Greek, Byzantine, Roman, and Arabian education for centuries.

Article by: J J O'Connor and E F Robertson

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Heron.html

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Thank you Aphrodite;

A wealth of knowledge we do indeed build for our Children and Theirs...

..if you can ever get them away from The Simpsons and Family Guy. 

Here's a copy of the post in Tribes II of the Hyksos story which compares to Critias.

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We have discussed the Hyksos at some lengths in previous posts, so lets take another look at them since I brought up King Belus.
Here's some interesting comparisons with the Hykso of 1684-1567 bC..

Imagine if Solon learned of this story while he was visiting Egypt.

Lower Egypt was taken over seemingly with little fighting by the invading or perhaps just immigrant Hyksos.

Greek writers, beginning with Manetho, called them "Hyksos," which was mistranslated as "shepherd kings." Egyptians seem to have called these kings heqa-khasut, rulers of foreign lands, but they generally referred to invading foreigners as amu, asiatics or shamu, sand-dwellers.

The foundation of their capital Avaris, which used to be referred to as Tanis, and the beginning of their domination of the Delta took place in about 1720, according to the 400 year stela of Ramses II found there,

(Avaris>Atlas, Atlantis>Tanis)
(or compare Avaris to Sais)

Their rule over Lower Egypt lasted from the conquest of Memphis by Salitis (Sheshi) in 1674

Egyptian religion was respected; Egyptian was the language of government;

Their most important contributions to Egyptian culture were perhaps the introduction of Canaanite deities such as the Storm God whom they identified with Seth, (Poseidon>Earth Shaker)

Foreign culture became established at a few eastern Delta sites, and the Egyptians acquired new military techniques, such as the use of the horse-drawn chariot and the composite bow during this period

The Hyksos seem to have behaved in accordance with Egyptian manners, laws, and theories of monarchy since the times of Khyan (Iannas, last third of the 17th century).

They maintained tribute or trade relations with the Minoans and Babylonians and Egyptian artifacts bearing Khyan's name were found as far as Babylon, Knossos and Hatti.

An aggressive Egyptian family from Thebes waged a fierce set of wars against the Hyksos kings. Apepi I (Auserre, c.1600 to 1560) tried unsuccessfully to counter the threat posed by Tao II (Sekenenre) and Kamose (Apis Bull)

Amosis (Ahmose I), the great general, drove the Hyksos out of Egypt by 1550 (compares to the later Amasis as told in Critias)
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/history12-17.htm#amenemhetiii

To make it more interesting we have a written record of the quarrel between Apepi I and Sekenenre.
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/apophis.htm

It once happened that the land of Egypt was in misery, for there was no Lord, L.P.H., (as) (sole) king. A day came to pass when King Sekenenre, L.P.H., was (still only) ruler, L.P.H., of the Southern City. Misery was in the town of the Asiatics, for Prince Apophis, L.P.H., was in Avaris, and the entire land paid tribute to him, delivering their taxes, (and) even the north bringing every (sort of) good produce of the Delta. Sallier Papyrus, ca. 1274 BCE L.P.H.: Life, prosperity, health Sekenenre: Tao II Southern City: Thebes Apophis: Apepi I Auserre, (ca.1600 to 1560)Asiatics: Here: Hyksos
the town of the Asiatics: Avaris

So King Apophis, L.P.H., adopted Seth for himself as lord, and he refused to serve any god that was in the entire land ex[cept] Seth. He built a temple of fine workmanship for the eternity next to the House of the [King Apo]phis, L.P.H., and he appeared [at break of] day in order to sacrifice ... daily to Seth, while the officials [of the palace], L.P.H., carried garlands, exactly as is practiced (in) the temple of Pre-Harakhte.
Now as for King A[pophis], L.P.H., it was his wish to s[end] an inflammatory message (to) King Sekenenre, [L.P.H., the] Prince of the Southern City. And a[fter] many days following this, King [Apophis, L.P.H.], then had [the high official]s of his [palace] summoned, [and he proposed to them that a messenger should be] sent [to the Prince of the Southern City with] a complaint...[concerning the] river, [but he was unable to compose it himself.
Thereupon his] scribes and wise men... and high officials [said: "O so]vereign, [our lord, demand that there be a withdrawal from the] canal of hippopotamuses [which lies at the east of the City because] they don't let [sleep come to us either in the daytime or at ni]ght, [for the noise of them is (in) our citizens' ear(s)."
And King Apophis, L.P.H., answered them saying: "I shall send to the Prince of the [Southern Ci]ty... command... [that we may assess the power of the god who is] with him as protector. He does not rely upon any god that is in the [entire land] except Amun-Re, King of the Gods."
Now after many days following this, King Apophis, L.P.H., then sent to the Prince of the Southern City (with) the complaint that his scribes and wise men had concocted for him.
And when the messenger of King [A]pophis, L.P.H., reached the Prince of the Southern City, he was then taken into the presence of the Prince of the Southern City. Then one (Sekenenre) said to the messenger of King Apophis, L.P.H.: " Why have you been sent to the Southern City? Wherefore have you come journeying here?"
The messenger then told him: "It is King Apophis, L.P.H., who has sent (me) to you in order to say, 'Let there be a w[ithdrawa]l from the canal of hippopotamuses which lies at the east of the City, because they don't let sleep come to me either in the daytime or at night,' for the noise of them is (in) his citizens' ear(s)."
Then the Prince of the Southern City became stupefied for so long a while that he became unable to render [a reply] to the messenger of King Apophis, L.P.H. Finally the Prince of the Southern City said to him: "Is it through this (remark) that your Lord, L.P.H., would investigate matters regarding [the canal of hippopotamuses which lies at t]he east of the Southern City?"
Then the messenger [said to him: "Effectuate the m]atters for which he sent me."
[Then the Prince of the Southern City caused] th[e messenger of King Apophis, L.P.H.], to be taken care of [with] good [thing]s: meat, cakes,....[The Prince of the Southern City said to him: "Go and tell] your [lord], 'As for whatever you will tell him, he will do it,' so you shall tell [him]" ...
[Then the messenger of King] Apophis, L.P.H., hastened to journey to where his lord, L.P.H., was.
So the Prince of the Southern City had his high officials summoned, as well as every ranking soldier of his, and he repeated to them every issue concerning which King Apophis, L.P.H., had sent to him. Then they were uniformly silent for a long while, without being able to answer him, be it good or bad. Then King Apophis, L.P.H., sent to ................

(The remainder of the story is lost)

Where have we heard that before?
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Also, it is falsely attributed to Chariots having come from the Hyksos.

Try 1000 years earlier:)

There were Chariots around 3500.bC as their were Dragon Claw Orbis Ships.

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In effect we can divide the Kingdoms as follows;

6482.bC, the Destruction of The Great Flood,and "peak" warming of the Ice Age.

6000.bC, Crete,Malta Civilizations and Temple Building.

5000.bC The Civilization of Egypt. The change to Barbaric Warriors.

4000.bC Minoan Thallassocracy, (rulers of the Sea-Med.)

The Height of The Tarxiens,Malta known in The Bible as Tarshish. (Pharaoh Tshsh,Palermo Stone)

3500.bC The Bronze Age and The Battle of Atlantis, 10 Fallen Kings Narmer Palette,Gebel-el-Arak Knife, Tomb 100 map, Dragon Claw Orbis Ships, Chariots. Possible construction of Atlantean Twin Pyramids and Lions upon Egypt, just prior.

StoneHenge Erected, England.

3240.bC. The "NEW UNIFIED" Egypt of Pharaoh Menes (aka Narmer)
Respected of The Atlanteans who he also respected...JA and Atlantean Philosophy of Thoth, perhaps upto DEN.

Trades with Lebanon and Palestine abundant, Egyptian Ships Sail.

Sais and Buto Priesthoods of Tatenen.

2500.bC. The Trismegistus of Khufu from Snofru's Blood of Brine.
.........Philitis The Good Shepherd upon Egypt
.........The Oracle of The Prodigal Child not of the Blood of Khufu.
.........150 years of Darkness fall upon Egypt.

2000.bC. The poison of thou "Shalt be put to death" inflicted upon the lands by Egypt and Phoenicia from The Blood of Brine.

1862.bC Sesostris II Subjugates Europe and Phoenicia.

1500.bC Supposed Flood of Deukalion compares to 2600.bC Gilgamesh epic.

Ares Etruscan Atlanteans battle Greek Olympian Titans.

1700.bC, Hyksos retaliate (Greek name) for Shepherd Assyrio-Palestines of Ecbatana, perhaps.
Ecbatana has knowledge of Atlantis.

1500.bC. The Forked Tongue of Egypt and The Ramses Kings continue the "Poison" and merge bloodlines with Persia.

Zeus,Hera and Posedion replace Jove,Juno and Neptune.
Egytpian King Belus.

1200.bC Macedonian's launch Aechean Attack on Troia.

1190.bC Sea People pirates from Troia Battle launch attack upon Egypt, great time of depression throughout entire Mediterranean.

Phonecians spread throughout Europa and North Africa.

1000.bC Etruscan Thallassocracy, Carthage and Latins.

Greeks "terrified" to sail the Tyrhennian Mare until Massiliots ca 600.bC.

Muslim/Islamic Invasions-"thou shalt be put to death".

Fez Caps in Morocco.

Greeks forget Ancient History ca 800.bC.

Gades, Carthage, Tartessos, powerhouses of the Balearics.

700.bC, The Seven Hills of Rome, the Great Western "PUSHBACK" to preserve Christianity and Europa's History.

600.bC Solon Archonship at Athens.

570.bC Fate of Egyptian extinction leads to Saitic Head Priest, Uadjahor-Resne revealing the Truth of Solon and Atlantis.

332.bC Alexander The Great driven by Aristotle's Wand, The Bible already being Translated.

Great Library of Alexandria constructed in Egypt.

30.bC Great Roman Emperor, Augustus.

0 - Birth of Christ according to Constantine Bishops and The Bible's reformation of a Unified Religion with Phoenicia.

330.aD, Constantine Niceane Creed reforms religion and The Bible,joining East with West.

Chalcidius preserves Plato's work Timaeus, no record of Chalcidius for Critias.

413.aD, Hypatia the Neo-Platonist Murdered.

Fall of Alexandria, Fall of Wisdom.

800.aD. Irish Monk preserves Timaeus by Chalcidius.

1150.aD Ken Digby preserves Timaeus by Chalcidius bound with "The Song of Roland" -Normandy.


2575 years from Amassis II....Riven....

The Redeemer of Plato.

Atlantis Verified as Legend and not Myth. 

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Nice timeline, Riven, with many new observations in it. You don't have Atlantis sinking in it, though, or is that to be the original 6482 bc date? Any particular reason why you choose that for the date of the Great Flood? The Deucalion flood dates to much later.

Not really sure how Malta fits in there, except as maybe an Atlantean colony of sorts.

It's interesting how both the Egyptian myths and the Bible have a character named "Seth" among them. Might they be the same one? Seth is seen as the good son in Adam & Eve, a sort of new hope for humankind. Seth in the Egypt story is a villain, could be that he is an Atlantean and the Egyptians wanted to villify him. Then, maybe "Seth" was just a common name back then.
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Artemis;

There are many reasons for this 6482.bC date.

The Peak of the Ice Age.
The Flooding of the Bosphorous Straites.
The eruptions of Mt.Hekla and Mt.Vesuvius.
The mass extinction of cultures in Lower Egypt
The difference in Chaldaen Lunar and Egyptian Solar around 2700.bC (345/1000 yrs)
The average time of Creation by many scholars (ben franklin 4000-7000.bC).
The Chapters of The Old Testament.
The Eye of Ra Myth
The conjunction of Planets and Pluto leaving the hand of Orion into the Eye of Leo.(see Astrologicaly Atlantis)
The Day of Destruction/All Saints Day (Oct 31-Nov1st)
The Start of Temple building in Malta....

to name a few!

True, Seth, and Nephthys are the real Children of GEB, Osiris and Isis are Eastern influences perhaps with the rise of The Sun Temples, as we also see this Sirius Mystery, which really isn't a myster at all and irrelevant to Egypt other than to mark events accordingly when it was visible.

It has been recently discovered, I just posted in TOA, that our POLE STAR IS A "TRIPLE" STAR SYSTEM!!!!!

The Father,The Son,The Holy Ghost or The Hermes Trismegistus, or the 3 Pyramids of Giza also.

Funny that all this seems to point to a distant Galaxy that we may have come from...

this is my latest quest as you can see from my Pythagoras map.....

I believe we may have come from a Nebula or "extinct" Galaxy or Star System....

I'm not sure if they are entirely gone, though this saddens me to see the dance of Galaxies entwine with each other, even 4 0r 5 Galaxies at a time....

Seems there is no conditioner for Angel Hair.

I will find them though......in time.

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Thanks for all the information on the Hyksos, Riven! Looks like you sure have done a lot of research into all of this. Have you always been interested in Atlantis, by the way, or is it just a recent development?
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Thanks for all the information on the Hyksos, Riven! Looks like you sure have done a lot of research into all of this. Have you always been interested in Atlantis, by the way, or is it just a recent development?
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Riven, about the idea of the Westcar Papyrus being a forgery, you have come across that idea in your researches, haven't you? I've also heard that one of the reasons that experts believe them to be forgeries is that something in them supports the idea of an earlier Sphinx. Haven't seen that in any of the passages I've come across yet, though.

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  posted 01-10-2006 03:44 AM                       
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Jenni; Pearl of essence;

I grew up knowing about Atlantis like everyone else, Walt Disney and Cartoons,Video games....a Myth like Santa Clause...


Something that was and wasn't, but yet still is...


Truly, I never cared for History in high school, because it was mostly focused around "rebellions and fantasies of Lies".

Tis true, that we know more about the Americans than they...and this Queen of uncircumstance, but little of our own, always theirs...

Actualy, I was kicked out of Grade 12 at 17,worked summer jobs since I was 13. Worked Hard,played hard....

My first "Man's" job out of High School, was at a Steel manufacturer lifting 320 pound sheets of steel with Mr Monolith..Stanley. Quite the Character of a Giant Ogre with glasses and a tin lizzy hair do. (I lit his tool pouch on fire one time to buzz his mind, you know teens.)

I got paid 190 dollars and would in turn give my paycheck to my father who gave me 20.00.

I felt pretty small for the hard work and pride I came to understand and going through 5 pairs of work gloves a day full of steel slivers, to merit 20 measely bucks...but I worked, always more for our family and others.

When I worked for a certain Aerospace company, contracted also to NASA, we had 2 of the Astronauts present a talk in the lunchroom, after their talk, I intruded into their office, and walked up to the Astronaut, shook his hand, and gave him a picture of the Space shuttle with him and his co-pilot exiting it. 

Without boring you further, I am a Self taught person of many talents, and uncomprehensible gifts as you can see.

I tried automotive in college for a bit, but it just wasn't my cup of tea punching those dirty engines all day long.

High Performance car building is one of my passions, not volvos.

Back then, it was fast cars and fast women as you know.

After my father passed away, I recalled his words of how he told me about Kings and Queens that we were related to, and his work on the American Air force base in the Azores Islands, where I was born. He was a foremost Jazz drummer also. I also became a drummer and I have an LP with a Local band here when I was 15 years old back in 1976.

Searching for my Father's words, brought me back to Atlantis as a mature man with new understanding of the World, 2 years ago. Naturaly, if you google Azores, you will come to Atlantis. They are one and the same as we now know.

When I finaly found Timaeus and Critias, it was very touching and rang of truth, a truth I needed to know, for if these were my people, what happened to them, and why did they disappear?

I always knew the lies of the World, so, I realized I had not only a Great Empire to Save, but also our Great History...

clearly unbiased as you can see, for surely I would also be afraid of saying Ja was our Ancestral God that we remembered AFTER the Great Flood.

The Vatican will probably try to excorcise me, for this blasphemy against their Bactrian influences.

But, it will be I who excorcises them, and their demons.

You see, Jenni, that is also why they have the statue of Uadjahor-Resne in their Museum, because it is a very well thought of, and wisely chosen artifact with hidden meaning...other than the Fall of "Egytp".

The new insignia of the new pope, also reveals this, above a circle with a canal!

But the truth, is that, I have no wish, for I know how easily man can destroy that wish, to sit here for hours absorbing the secrets of the World at an astonishing rate, work, and support a family of 5....let alone the hunger of a Lioness!

No, this is not from me, but through me..

it is a great mystery unknown even to myself and what I am becoming for the Son of Man guides me...

"Tis not thy ink nor thy Books that I needeth to gaze upon...nor thy words of Doctrine"-Riven.


SaJaRa-Riven A True Atlantean King.

Thank you Jenni....be confident.

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  posted 01-10-2006 04:06 AM                       
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Sarah; Foal of the Woods.

Yes, the language of forgery is confirmed by those who know not.....

Funny you should say it was for the reason of the "Missing Sphinx".

I geuss we have our answer.

Djedi,The Magician, was not a liar.

It could have been he, who made the wood slither, for the "Spike" of Egypt, I see in The Vanished Labyrinth...

Let us rebuild our Great Library of Latium Tarraconensis.

Thank you...don't eat red berries.

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  posted 01-10-2006 05:37 AM                       
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Angel Haired Faith and Chivalry Chronos;


Twas not only the Library of Alexandria that was a great loss of wisdom, by the Allah or Allayah, whichever they can decide of not....

but also the Covenant of God...Ja.

For truly the Spike was laid upon the Labyrinth...

3300 years prior to the Second great destruction of Allah, when he found this great work....

which proclaimed him....and Mamounad in the Octagon of ....

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   posted 01-10-2006 07:57 PM                       
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Riven, so why not 10,500 bc? So many other things were also happening in that time.

Redating of the Great Sphinx
Giza complex aligned with the Orion Constellation
End of the Ice Age
Possible Azilian writing
Nearer to Plato's traditional end for Atlantis of 9600 bc
Possible cataclysm happened at that time detailed in the book, Cataclysm
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