I dont respect the commentaries at all because you have not proven a thing on any level except doctrine and you aspersions will fail at the end of the day.
Before you read the following lets go to the great proposal of religion that will prove itself in the great contest of truth in the discovery
here is some research I did a few days ago on 2nd Eden using all the books of religion not just the one book that you look at in a narrow way.
Adam mourns over the changed conditions. Adam and Eve enter the Cave of Treasures.
1 But Adam and Eve cried for having come out of the garden, their first home. 2 And indeed, when Adam looked at his flesh, that was altered, he cried bitterly, he and Eve, over what they had done. And they walked and went gently down into the Cave of Treasures. 3 And as they came to it, Adam cried over himself and said to Eve, "Look at this cave that is to be our prison in this world, and a place of punishment! 4 What is it compared with the garden? What is its narrowness compared with the space of the other? 5 What is this rock, by the side of those groves? What is the gloom of this cavern, compared with the light of the garden? 6 What is this overhanging ledge of rock to shelter us, compared with the mercy of the Lord that overshadowed us? 7 What is the soil of this cave compared with the garden land? This earth, strewed with stones; and that, planted with delicious fruit trees?" 8 And Adam said to Eve, "Look at your eyes, and at mine, which before beheld angels praising in heaven; and they too, without ceasing. 9 But now we do not see as we did; our eyes have become of flesh; they cannot see like they used to see before." 10 Adam said again to Eve, "What is our body today, compared to what it was in former days, when we lived in the garden?" 11 After this, Adam did not want to enter the cave, under the overhanging rock; nor would he ever want to enter it. 12 But he bowed to God's orders; and said to himself, "Unless I enter the cave, I shall again be a transgressor."
So obviously there were prepared Groves near the place where the former people lived, the Cave of Treasures and fled after hearing that Adam was on the way with his people.
The people that fled went to the east. Note the question mark beside the
Groves? in the text!
Isaiah also mentions not to forget the former things and the definition of the former things is seen in this verse in the book of Adam and Eve and makes direct connection to 1stEden of Cyprus.
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to what it was in former days, when we lived in the garden?" " This appears to be a direct link between Isaiah and the the first ancient places which in this case relates to 1st Eden directly.
Here is something our of Enoch that may connection to the former thing, the 1stEden
1Enoch 89:39
I also saw that the Lord of the sheep produced a new house,
great and loftier than the former, which He bounded by the former
circular spot. All its pillars were new, and its ivory new, as well as
more abundant than the former ancient ivory, which he had brought out.
Very reflective of the journey to ancient places in a literal and in metaphor.
Hence the circular spot of the former, Dalamatia City, The first temple of the Father
enlargement
http://www.sevenfoldbooks.com/dalamatia1.jpgand again the co planar circles of 1stEden, the 2nd Temple of the Father
The verification and fulfillment of the above Enoch verse all circular spots, the confirmation!and I like this one to
1 Enoch 92:17 The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers shine with sevenfold splendor for ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in righteousness.
I believe this is the Sevenfold connection of the new earth and heaven and its is associated with the Sevenfold.
Maybe another connection
1Enoch27
4 In the days of judgement over the former, they shall bless Him for the mercy in accordance with 5 which He has assigned them (their lot).' Then I blessed the Lord of Glory and set forth His glory and lauded Him gloriously.
It seems that judgement is attached to the former things, which includes the former things of the past and that have relation to 1stEden.
Moving on
Here is the Isaiah fragment which came to mind before.
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Just states plainly, the former things of relating to 1stEden making the connection to the book of Adam and Eve.
Here is one from Sarah's book, the Sepher.
The Third Path is the Sanctifying Intelligence, and is the basis of foundation of Primordial Wisdom, which is called the Former of faith, and its roots, Amen; and it is the parent of Faith, from which virtues doth Faith emanate.
Here is a fragment from Haggai but I haven't got the chapter because its late and Im doing a speed lightning search.
9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the Lord of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts.
and here is a curious connection to Jane Lead about the former things
is indeed a Sign of the near Approach of the Overthrowing of the Kingdom of this Anitchristian Beast, may very well be hop’d: yea there can be no manner of doubt made hereof by them, who are wise to search into the Calendar of former ages, or who have but an Ear open to hear and receive what by Truth’s Infallible Oracle it self deliver’
That was interesting kinda like support for the journey to the ancient places.
Here Isaiah 44
22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
The above was a powerful and all made sense to the journey. Huge!
And here is Isaiah again
Isaiah 46.9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Oh, another huge discovery, Isaiah came into my mind before and look how powerful it is in relation to the journey. Very, very powerful and direct connection to 1stEden as in the former place mention in Book of Adam and eve. Real definition.
Oh and another powerful one by Isaiah
Isaiah 48:2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The Lord of hosts is his name.
3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.
There you go all about the ancient places and an exact description of this experience. No doubt about it.
And III end with this interesting piece
Zechariah 7 11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. 12 Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the Lord of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the Lord of hosts. 13 Therefore it is come to pass, that as he cried, and they would not hear; so they cried, and I would not hear, saith the Lord of hosts:
Zechariah 8 11 But now I will not be unto the residue of this people as in the former days, saith the Lord of hosts. 12 For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things. 13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
Well the above and all the scripture are completely relevant and judgment is attached.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm done and doing my job, if no one hears and makes fun or spurns and scorns this project, thats your problem, not mine, all I know is that judgement is attached via the connection of the definition of the former things as in the book of Adam and eve relating to 1Eden and connected with the prophets and scriptures of all places and there is more to go.
So I believe the parting of the ways is directly related to the former places and the former things which are the same.
Good luck everyone, because all will need it at a time place that no one knows it will just happen.
Sevens
This is a demonstration of all the books of religion being used, not just one book and Calvin you will fail and the JWs you represent.
You are in the failure already. You and your doctrine and church. Jesus will not recognize you! even though you have you used his name to get FAT.
You are on a sinking ship and religion on the whole has failed man and this planet and the Father will bring in his own truth and will bring your church to its knees because of your hypocrisy. You will be left behind and so will your church because of such a poor attitude and dispersions against the new book and it will come from the former places.
Also the church is responsible for many millions of deaths and that will be corrected in such poor doctrine.
The problem is you are to deep to be corrected because of your doctrine of pride and prejudice.
So let go and prove the point, let go to the ancient places, I'm ready are you? The JWs are Fat with money because of the emotional blackmail you have placed the congregation under using doctrine as a tool and a weapon against man especially in the tithing system to make your system of things stronger.
You have robbed mankind and accumulated money in the name of Jesus from mankind which really belongs to Jesus. Well lets use Jesus' money to do a few expeditions, your church is FAT and if there is something that appears to have merit in discovery that is related to religion and connects to Jesus, let prove it buddy. Its the Churches responsibility
Get of your backside and lets go out there and prove either way, right or wrong rather than all your crappola.
Lets get it on as there is no point talking to a fool who is deceived by the last rebel.
Weak man using other people research rather than your own, its just laziness and slothfulness.
By the way Sarah, you can come to since you and Calvin are mates and maybe Israel might want to sink some money into this and prove the case or are they too afraid that I am right.
Runs for the hills Calvin with your doctrine, there is no boldness in your posts. Just Crap from the church who have never demonstrated a thing only using religion as weapon against man through fear.
There is no love of Jesus in your heart, void of the Holy spirit! All I can see is just crap and words and nothing in the doing.
