Nordic Aliens (Original)

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There are some facts and speculations about history that might need to be considered (or reconsidered) In light of all the storys and reports that have come forwards in recent years about Nordic Aliens.
In 1933 a short dark hair Austrian by the name of Adolph Hitler rose to power in Germany preaching his idea of a tall blue eyed blond haired Nordic Master Race. Historians has often wondered where this
man devised his ideals that that he did not embody.

Hitler was Fascinated with the occult and it has long been speculated by ufologist that Nazi Germany was the first government to make
contact with extraterrestrials crediting his V2 rocket program with "off world" technology.

Once in power he began a systematic extermination of the Jews (known as gods chosen people) which resulted in millions of deaths.


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Hi Griffin,
Unfortunately AH's "Master Race" was from another time, never to come again. He was refering to the Aser. The part he missed was that their real world-wide "Race" perfection (breeding program) pre-dated their blondeness by about 500 million years.

People who are facinated by the occult have yet to discern their own God-self. Occult matters are trivial and damaging and just lead in blind circles.

He really did no better or worse than many Popes on the grand scale of orchestrating mass murder. Lord, what a club!!


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It's possible that Adolph may have met some Nordic types and been "inspired," but more than likely it's as Rockessence said. I would like to stress once again, for the umpteenth time that this thread is NOT about racial superiority! It happened cause I am just interested in the Nordics, is all.
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have anyone ever heard of alec newald,he claimed he was abducted by gaurds,is ordeal sound really genuine and fascinating,hhe written a book about his experience and frightening accounts face to face with guardings,he said he had even atrip to their home planet,here some of his shared experience which can't be describe by mere words it is one of the most interesting detail i have ever heard,i am not gullible but i know a GOOD ENCOUNTER when I hear one 1)Looking up, I realised we were being approached by three aliens, the tallest of them looking like my female escort from earlier on. The second one was just a little shorter and was male as far as I could tell. The third was smaller, much smaller, and walked ahead of the other two.
He, for want of a better word was slightly built with a roundish head and rather unusual, squinty eyes which were well spaced and placed rather lower down than are our own. He had a very small mouth, but I did not notice any ears or much of a nose. His physical appearance, however, was of almost no consequence, for I was immediately struck with an almost overpowering feeling of his presence. I cannot say it was hypnotic; if anything, the opposite. It was as if his energy was being projected and absorbed by my body.

There is no way I could ever adequately descibe this sensation to you, using mere words. Those who have had this experience will know just what I mean! His communication with me was also much stronger and clearer than I had experienced with any of the others.

This was still not the "alien" I had read about or seen graphically illustrated in various magazines or papers. The size was about right - four feet in height with a slight frame.

"Welcome", he said. "I am the designated Guardian of this section. Anything that you feel you might need to make your stay with us more pleasant, ask and I shall do my best to supply it. The suit you have been given will make it possible for you to understand us, and us you".

He must have read my mind as he entered the room, for I had just asked about the suits.

"We do not speak as such, as you will have noticed by now. Sometimes a verbal sound message is necessary in long distance." "I will not enquire if you wish to stay or return at this time. I would hope you may desire the chance to absorb more knowledge and understanding before you make that decision. There are things we cannot tell you at this point in time. You will understand I hope. Nevertheless, you will have the chance to acquire some considerable knowledge on a wide variety of subjects, including your own kind, before you make up your mind up on this. However, some or all of this knowledge may have to be removed from you, should you decide to leave us and return to your own planet."(2)The first most striking thing about the city was it's neatness and order; the second, it's immensity. Even from well up I could not make out the boundaries. There may well be bigger cities on Earth, but where I come from this place would be rated big, VERY big. It stretched out in both directions, following the coastline out of my line of sight. There seemed to be only a thin strip of land that was not coastline or desert, and the city was sandwiched within it.

As we dropped in altitude, the sea lost it's bluish look and turned almost black. There could not have been much wind as it looked very glasslike. I could make out a dark outline not too far off the coast which presumably was a deep drop off from the coastal shallows.

The last thing really to make an impact upon me was the lack of tall buildings, save for the odd tower or two, and the dominicance of a small circular shapes among a few larger pyramid shaped constructions.

Hardly more than a minute had passed since we had entered the atmosphere, but now the craft had already settled. There was a mixture of apprehension and excitement within me. Now that I was here - whereever "here" was, just what had happened to me really started to sink in. Would I ever see home again? Was anyone looking for me?

My panic soon eased, however and curiosity won the day. I eagerly scanned the viewer for my first close look at the alien landscape. What I could see was an area of level ground, similar to a courtyard, leading to two pryamid shaped buildings. They appeared to be made from a material that looked just like tinted glass or semi-transparent plastic. I couldn't quite see the apex of these buildings from my vantage piont, but later I was to find that they were capped with a spiral tower or antennna arrangement. The height of the tower added approximately twenty five persent to the buildings overall height. Each building in turn was topped with what I can only describe as a large light bulb. As peculiar as it may sound, I was sure I had seen something like this before, in the distant past. These bulbs glowed day and night, and upon closer inspection appeared to be of a net or mesh construction rather than being glass spheres.(3)There was a short walk to one of the large structures which I had seen from inside the craft. The air was still and amazingly quiet. Indeed, it was not until I had stepped out of the transporter that I realised there must have been some sort of background noise on board although I'd not noticed it at the time. The surface upon which I was walking was not unlike cork, it appeared to be porous and slightly yielding underfoot.(4) I was at a loss as to which way to look for awhile, such was my curiosity and awe at what was around me. Some buildings resembled those on Earth, but the outer walls were sloped back at approximately thirty-degree angles and set back some distance at each floor level, making them look more like steps up a hill. Most of the buildings were circular or tube like in shape. They were laid out in a spiral pattern with the tallest buildings in the centre, but the heights became progressively lower as the buildings spiralled out. All the buildings appeared to be made of glass or plastic.

Access to the upper levels of the home I was staying, was by way of a gentle slopping spiral ramp which skirted the curved perimeters of the walls. This ramp could also be seen from the outside of the building. My personal observation of this feature is that it could have been a form or frame or reinforcement for the dwelling.

The rooms or, rather, the various levels were lit by some form of diffused lighting, both day and night, but I could find no direct source to explain this light. As we reached the second level, their main living area, I was stunned by the beauty and layout. No matter how hard I try here, my description cannot do it justice. The colour was predominantly pearl white with perhaps a touch of silver grey within. This may have helped remove any glare, for I can assure you there was none. Reflected from even deeper within were all the colours of the rainbow, not unlike a mother of pearl seashell. The soft light I mentioned earlier appeared to radiate from everywhere. To say it was a truly amazing sight is grossly inadequate I'm not even sure if it was the colour that was the most stunning aspect of the interior, for I was equally smitten with the moulded flow of form from one section, shape or partition into the next. It was as if the whole dweling, inculding every item of furniture, had been constructed simultaneously. Again there appeared to be no joints or seams that I could distinguish. However this dwelling had been constructed, similar techniques to those used in the transporter must have been employed. The floor, a smooth, padded rubber, was soft to walk on; the colour, just one or two shades darker than the walls.

The furnture looked to be made from the now quite familiar glass or plastic substance. Although it was slightly tinted or smoky, all the colours of the rainbow seemed to be deep within it. These colours could be changed by a person's thought patterns, so if you were excited there was no way to keep it a secret as the room's colours would dance about right through the colour spectrum. When a person was in meditation, the light level would drop and only the softer tones would come through.

The central space of this room upon the second level was circular and used as a general purpose area, including for meditation. Bedrooms as such had been made totally redundant, with meditation having entirely taken the place of sleep. These meditative states would last for an hour or two each day.


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I certainly wasn’t trying to make a comment on racial superiority, nor do I know that there is a connection between AH and Nordics. I Do think that it is an interesting theory.
It seems that the general opinion is that the Nordic type is benevolent and I can’t say that I have seen much evidence to support that. It seems that there are ample abduction story that involve a mix of different Alien types to suggest that all or most are working together (at least where the earth is concerned).

rock essence said

“AH's "Master Race" was from another time, never to come again. He was refering to the Aser.”

When I search the Aser I find a very limited amount of info on them connected to Atlantis and perhaps Hitler Via the Thule Society.

Thule was a legendary island in the far north, similar to Atlantis, supposedly the center of a lost, high-level civilization. But not all secrets of that civilization had been completely wiped out. Those that remained were being guarded by ancient, highly intelligent beings http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html

Perhaps we need to discuss the connection between the Nordic Aliens and the Aser.
http://www.misterpoll.com/1120445081.html

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himmler was true architect behind the racial program,his keen aim was to virtually annihilate all who he see unfit to live,throughtout the ages time has shown us the nordic people are clearly the most sophisticated and well intuitive,they are technologically advanced people no doubt,for eg. the germans they are notable for their inginuity and technological inovation,i think the germans are the ancestors of atlantians sounds wierd put I think its true ,I think after the catastrophe of the destruction of atlantis,atlantians migrated to the north close to the arctic then migrated south to germania,which we now know as germany,sounds like an odd hypothesis but i think it really happen,there is an even wierder chapter lead to beginning of atlantis,it is said a giant asteroid from space hit earth bringing with it the seed of aryan stock with this great fortune,the nordic man grown to become naturally superior to the ape man of earth.I presume the nordic race have amnesia because we forget our purpose and past and most importantly atlantis,we must remember that we are the true masters' of the world.
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Parsifal,
Here is the reconstruction of the Boreas thread: http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001044.html


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Parsifal, your observations sound a good deal like Edmund Kiss, I take it you've read him?
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Here's a passage from an article dealing with German myth in relationship with Atlantis that I thought you might find interesting:
http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/3/nagl3art.htm

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Glacial Cosmogony or the Universal Ice Doctrine (Welteislehre) and the Atlantis myth had a particularly close relationship. Atlantis (or Thule) represented the Earthly Paradise and the original home of the Teutonic Aryans, while the cyclic recurrence concept of Glacial Cosmogony ensured that Atlantis would rise again. Thus the Atlantis myth and Glacial Cosmogony became the dominant themes of German SF in the 1920s and 1930s. Either the re-emergence of Atlantis caused the submergence of the countries of the Entente14 (possibly according to the principle of communicating vessels), or remains of Atlantis, which had been destroyed by cosmic events, were discovered in space, admonishing the German astronauts to reconstruct the legitimate Aryan (i.e. German) global empire, to return to racial purity, to a leadership mystique and to irrationalism called "Aryan science":
Human beings were much closer to the soil in those days. They controlled the mysterious forces of nature not by virtue of their knowledge, let alone their science, but by virtue of their very being. The more humanity learned to think rationally, the more they lost their visionary powers. They delighted in their cleverness and failed to notice the waning of their primaeval powers.15

Naturally, the various crashes of the Moon onto Earth in Glacial Cosmogony always occurred at times of racial and ethical turpitude.

The Atlantis-faith and Glacial Cosmogony also inspired the about 600 members of the "Society for Space Flight"15 who wished to escape from the German misery by means of spaceships. They wanted to discover "new worlds, as modem conquistadors";17 they planned to augment Germany's greatness by building a space-station whose "strategic value" was among other things to consist, as Willy Ley wrote, in "creating tornadoes and rainstorms, destroying marching troops and their supply-lines, and burning entire cities."18 Thanks to the active propaganda of this society, the idea of space travel grew so popular that moon-rockets became a regular item in carnival parades, and Fritz Lang was stimulated to make the film The Woman in the Moon (1928) for which he asked the Society for expert advice.

The leading Nazis had a special weakness for the Atlantis myth. The racist professor and pamphleteer Herman Wirth played a leading role in this connection, advocating in their inner councils "a tremendous turning back of culture, away from the age of reason and consciousness, toward the age of a 'sleepwalking certainty,' the age of supra-rational magic." Heinrich Himmler and Wirth founded the "Study Group for Spiritual History" "Deutsches Ahnenerbe" (German Heritage) which propagated such pseudo-sciences and which was, for example, responsible for the deep-freeze experiments (with subsequent coition, "an ancient folk-remedy"!) in the concentration camps, as well as for the collection of skeletons in Strasbourg plentifully supplied from murdered "inferior race" specimens.19 Thus they found praiseworthy the efforts of Government Building Counsellor (Regierungsbaurat) Edmund Kiss, one of the most successful exploiters of the Glacial-Cosmogony/Atlantis themes. Apart from general adventure novels, he wrote a tetralogy20 in which he presented a mythologized version of the fall of the German empire, its reconstruction, and its coming world supremacy under fascist rule.

In Kiss's first volume, The Glassy Sea, John's apocalypse, which "embodies the primaeval knowledge of the cosmos and our world,"21 is re-interpreted as a description of the global catastrophe which resulted from the fall of the "tertiary moon." Before that event there had been order in the world: slaves had been trained with the "mammoth whip" (pl2O). Now the time has come for the "blue-eyed blonds" to "keep their heads high under the bludgeonings of fate" (pl69), and to ensure "the continued existence of the human race" by seizing the available women--motto: "Make them trust you, then grab them" (p240).

In the second volume, Spring in Atlantis, the "Ases" (i.e. Aryans) have succeeded. They have multiplied rapidly in their northern kingdom, to the point where they have built the "organic community of a world-wide empire" (p11) with its centre and capital in Atlantis. "Slant-eyed brown-skins" work for the "blonds with the narrow skulls." Thanks to an effective "spiritual guidance," the Ases are revered as "white gods" (pl2, pl8). "The slave nations visit Atlantis in order to take the profound and ineradicable impression of the overwhelming and irresistible might of the Nordic will back to their distant homes" (p4l). (Hitler had the same ideas concerning the measures he would employ to inculcate a "master-consciousness" in the "non-German population of the occupied Eastem zones": "He also thought that superstition was a factor that had to be reckoned with in the business of leading men, even if one is oneself quite superior to it and laughs at it"; "the only allowed purpose of geography lessons should be to teach that the capital city of the Empire is called Berlin, and that everybody should have visited Berlin at least once in his life"; "once a year a troup of Kirghizes will be given a guided tour through the capital city in order to impress their imagination with the might and power of its stone monuments.")22 Back to Kiss: the "Racial Bureau of Asgard" (pl7) supervises the maintenance of racial purity in the master race;23 however, the leaders have to make the same concessions that the Nazis found unavoidable:

The desire of millions [is] to create a granite racial cornerstone as the foundation of the empire, not a block of absolute racial purity--the sins of our forefathers have made that impossible--but a block of precious racial assets with the wealth of the Nordic soul as its important heritage. (p278)

The hero already has the fixed "Führer stare" that Hitler is supposed to have practiced in front of his mirror, and that is strongly reminiscent of the results of a hyperactive thyroid:

But in the same moment...the golden spark shone again from the depths of the grey compelling eyes, the spark that constituted the mystery of the child-like radiant essence of this man. When this spark died, the eagle features set into an expression of iron-willed and predatory determination, and the pale-grey icy glare compelled many an enemy, not usually given to such actions, to avert his eyes. (p72)

The third volume, The Last Queen of Atlantis, shows the empire of the Ases at the height of its power. The "Nordic men" live in "isolated castles and fortified farmsteads on the border marches." Atlantis continues to provide them with "racially pure" or pedigreed women (p28)--as we can see, precisely the way of life that the Nazi elite envisioned for itself in occupied East European territories:

We watched the labourers for a while, those strong, animal-like Zipangus, whose skulls are bound in early infancy to develop backward so that they can be kept as the group designed for physical labour. (p48)

We Atlantians knew from our millenial history, so full of conquests and defeats, that only a caste of higher human beings can effectively govern the globe that is our beautiful Earth. Inferior races must be trained and shaped to fulfill the needs and purposes that promote the growth of the realm. (p49, and similarly p258)

Alas! The "hammer of fate" (p101) "strikes with mighty blows" (p118), the appearance of a new Moon (ours) dooms Atlantis, and the Ases are once more reduced to a people who must "fight for their place in the sun" (pl92).

In The Singing Swans from Thule, the surviving Atlantians fight their way (bearing with them, naturally, the blue and white swastika-banner of Atlantis) back to the country of their origin. In their "struggle for life, territory, and power" (p27) the principle of leadership is re-asserted: "Desperate situations can only be saved if one man commands and the others obey" (p65). In order that even the dimmest reader will understand the reference, the Ases find "Teutenland" inhabited by a "Nordic peasant population of...fairly good race" (p208). With the genetic help of the natives, the Ases breed--in a world full of "coloured rabble," "human animals" and "useless men" (pl83)--"a new, hard and chill nobility" (pl88). In order to achieve this, they occasionally raid neighbouring tribes for "blood stock" (pl69), to use Hitler's terminology.24 The novel culminates in the following statement:

Only a man who will protect both his aims and his freedom with a keen sword in attack and defence, can retain mastery over his life on this earth. Attack is his best policy. It is never a question of our right to do so. This is ours by virtue of our existence. It is a question of might. (p206)

The things which Kiss projected into the distant past, and which Hitler and Himmler wanted to realize in Eastern Europe, were projected into the near future by Paul Alfred Mueller (pseudonym "Lok Myler") in his pamphlet series Sun Koh, The Heir of Atlantis, and Jan Maygn.25 The heroes, charismatic leader types, have been chosen by fate--and also provided by it with the resources of a sophisticated and extremely powerful technology. It is their vocation to create new and arable territories for the German people and the White races. This they achieve by raising Atlantis out of the ocean and by making Greenland (Thule) arable. The manner in which "Sun Koh" and "Jan Mayen" treat the rest of humanity in the pursuit of their aims is distinguished from Nazi methods only insofar as the fictive inferior peoples speedily submit. Mueller was also one of the authors who propagated the "Hollow World" theory.


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Akelius,
I have come back to this posting three times now and just now read more of the article it is from. I thought a bit more from just before what you offered:

"Lanz derives these insights from his "theozoology" and "racial metaphysics," each of them a kind of occult science. If one subtracts the no longer fashionable overt racism, racial metaphysics could be seen as the blueprint for a considerable part of the SF produced nowadays:

Practical race-metaphysics are concerned with research into the history of the races before their earthly development cycle (pre-terrestrial) ... into the future of the races following their earthly period (post-terrestrial), and finally with research into the extra-sensory, extra-terrestrial, cosmic forces that influence racial development in the present.11

The inherent contradictions of this or similar systems will not be discussed here. An analysis of such items as the simultaneous rejection of Darwinism and the acceptance of the pseudo-Darwinist "survival of the fittest," or the arguments for a universe peopled with intelligent beings which are contradicted by the concept of a racially ethnocentric universe, would merely illustrate the irrational basis of these insane systems in detail. It seems more fruitful to point out the striking congruence of such constructs with the psychotic symptoms and fascist tendencies of the "authoritarian character" such as (1) the sado-masochistic desire for submission to an irresistible external force (variously interpreted as an "agent" of Providence, or Nature, or Fate, etc.), with the concomitant desire to make weaker people pay in compensation for it; (2) the projection of one's own destructive and primitive drives onto unpopular minorities; (3) the rejection of rational politics, indeed, of any and all intellectual enlightenment; (4) the legends of "conspiracies."12

The degree to which conspiracy fantasies were pure projections of their own secret intentions is demonstrated by the way they were first nurtured in occult-science groups of a secret society kind. These groups and their obscurantism were of considerable significance in the early development of the Nazi Party, its ideology, and its later cadre organization in "orders.13

From the confused mass of abstruse concepts that were used in SF, four vague attempts at systematization can be abstracted: "Glacial Cosmogony," the Atlantis/Thule myth, Theozoology, and the Hollow World theory. These systematizations could mingle, and lean one on the other."
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Then was the piece from your posting. After that was this:
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"This theoretical import from the USA experienced the height of its popularity in 1941-42, when the German Fleet Ministry apparently actually performed radar experiments, that would have--were the theory correct--permitted them to observe the Scapa-Flow from Reugen in the Baltic Sea. The Hollow World theory was tolerated by the Nazis27 but had only a few adherents in the party's higher echelons. Thus Mueller had to maneuver carefully when he tried to make the Hollow World theory into the official world-picture of the Nazis. In his novel, the high Nazi party functionary who has been converted to the theory has a fatal accident on his way to speak to the Fuhrer.

"Theozoology," propagated by Josef Lanz in the Ostara pamphlet series, The Library of Blonds and Males' Rights,28 was not overtly adopted in official Nazi treatises, and was only rarely exploited in SF.29 However, this theory shows the most obscure motivations of racist Manichaeism, ideas that are still widespread in SF today. Lanz cannot even lay claim to being the originator and inventor of this sexually-neurotic delusion system. A textbook case for psychoanalysis, Lanz merely reinterpreted the theosophic anthropogenesis of Blavatsky and Besant in sexual terms. In theosophy, mankind fell because the men copulated with female animals; in Lanz's system "all calamities in the history of the world ... have been caused by the liberated woman."30 According to his theory, first announced in 190531 (August Strindberg was one of the first converts):

The race of full-blooded and whole Aryan Man was not the result of natural selection alone. Instead, as the esoteric writings indicate, he was the result of a careful and conscious breeding process by higher and different kinds of being, such as the Theozoa, Elektrozoa, Angels, et sim., which once lived on this Earth.32

They were perfect electro-biotic machines, characterized by their supernatural knowledge and power. Their knowledge encompassed everything to be found in the universe and beyond, in the metaplfysical spaces of the fourth, fifth and nth dimensions: They perceived such objects by way of their electro-magneto-radiophotic eye on their forehead, the rudiment of which is the human pineal gland. They had knowledge of all things, and could read past, present and future from the ether. This is why they performed the office of oracles until well into historical times and live on, even today, in mediums. They possessed supernatural, "divine" powers, whose centre is located in the lumbar brain. (Note: see the "magic belts" that conferred inordinate power on gods and demons; the "invisibility hood" of Siegfried and Alberich.) Their bodies exude rays of fire and light, which ... materialize on the one hand and dematerialize on the other, breaking down atoms and reconstructing them, canceling out gravity.33

All harmful and useless species of plants, animals, and humans are naturally the work of the "Daemonozoa" (i.e. fallen angels). The original sin of the "Homo sapiens or, more precisely, the Homo Arioheroicus"34 was caused by the women of these blond, god-like Aryans, who--then as now--were attracted, "because of the magnitude of the member," to the male anthropo-saurians" (with their "**** bone"!) and to their descendants, the man-animal races" (Negroes, Mongolians, Jews, etc.). The women copulated with these lower beings "more sodomitico."35 Especially the facial features of the "Bolshy-Jewish blood-hounds ... remind us even today of the horrible faces of antediluvian dragon-monsters"; they are the direct "descendants of...the two-legged dinosaur-hominids" and properly still belong to "the animal kingdom"; Rosa Luxemburg, the murdered leader of the German left and Jewish by origin, was a "small, pure-breed Bezah-dwarf"--"just like those bred 2000 years ago in the temple-zoos of Palestine."36 Bolshevism, Marxism, Sovietism, Communism, Socialism, Democratism ... are offshoots ... of these primaeval, base, and inferior racial origins."37 In order to correct these racial and political conditions, the Aryans must practice scientific racial purity and breeding:

Through conscious and goal-oriented influencing of the secreting glands, we shall be able in the coming two centuries to rebuild atoms and cells of all living beings and ... finally to create a new human race, which will develop out of the Aryoheroical one.38

Any such technique, "the technology ... [And] all higher scientific wisdom ... is to remain the secret knowledge of a numerically small, pure-bred, heroic-Aryan ruling elite":39

A newly bred slave being with crude nerves and strong hands whose mental potential has been carefully limited ... will perform for us all those jobs for which we have not invented machines.... The proletariat and the under-humanity cannot be improved or saved or made happy. They are the work of the Devil and must simply be--of course humanely and without pain eliminated. In their place, we will have biological machines, whose advantage over mechanical machines will be that they repair and procreate themselve.... This 'robot' will be the key to the future since his existence will solve not only the technological but also the social and racio-economic problems--and thereby all political problems--that beset us. Total equality is nonsense!... The social question is a racial question and not an economic one.... Who can say where the equality of rights should stop? Why should it stop with the Australian aborigine? Gorillas, chimpanzees and bats have exactly the same claim to socialist "human rights."40

Lanz found himself in illustrious company with such ideas. Oswald Spengler articulated the fascist-technocratic concept of technology, science, and philosophy as instruments for domination in much the same manner--the Aryans were to again become "the learned priests of the machine"41 and cultivate the sciences as a ruling-class religion:

The group of Fuhrer-natures remains small. They constitute the pack of the true beasts of prey, the pack of the talented, which will dominate the growing herd of the others in one fashion or another.

There are ... not only two kinds of technology ... but also two kinds of human beings ... those whose nature it is to command, and those who obey, subjects and objects of any political or economic processes. The most significant symptom of the impending decline and fall is to be found in what I would like to call the betrayal of technology.... Instead of keeping scientific knowledge secret, the knowledge that represents the most sacred possession of the "White" peoples, it was boastfully revealed to all and sundry in universities, in conversations, lectures, and publications.... The irreplaceable advantages that the white peoples held have been wasted, dissipated, betrayed.42

Himmler and Hitler43 wanted to prevent the imminent break-down of "Western" civilization, in the conquered East-European territories at least, by means of precisely those methods that they imputed to the Judaeo-Bolshevists: "try to eliminate the national carriers of intelligence within a few years, in order to make the peoples ... ready for a lot of permanent slavery and oppression."44 The population of the "Eastern Territories" was, according to the ideas of Hitler and Himmler, to live in isolated village communities and develop their own "magic cults": "It would be best to teach them to understand only a sign language. Radio would provide unlimited music, which is good for such communities. They are not to learn to use their brains."45

Lanz's disciple Hitler also considered "Pure and applied science ... an almost exclusively Aryan achievement."46 Only "when knowledge re-acquires the character of secret, initiate knowledge, and ceases to be accessible to all and sundry, will it again fulfill its normal function, namely that of being the means and the power to control both human and non-human nature."47 With his undeniable instinct for what was publicly acceptable, Hitler discussed his favourite theories only among intimates. These ideas proved to be garnered almost exclusively from "popular scientific" treatises such as those of Boelsche and Lanz:

I have been reading a work on the origin of human races. I used to think a great deal about this subject in my younger days, and I must say that if one looks more closely at the traditional myths and legends ... one arrives at most peculiar conclusions. Nowhere is there a development within a species that is comparable in degree and kind to that which man must have undergone in order to cover the distance between a quasi-simian state and his present mode of being.... Myths cannot have been constructed without any foundation. Any concept must be preceded by the phenomenon from which it is derived. There is nothing to stop us, and Indeed I believe we would be right, to assume that mythological characters and situations are representations of a former reality.48

A new type of human being is beginning to manifest itself, very much in the scientific sense of a new mutation. The old, hitherto extant species of man now necessarily enters into the biological stage of degeneration.... The one will sink underneath man and the other will rise far above present day man.... Yes, man must be transcended.... The new man lives among us. He exists!... I shall tell you a secret. I have seen the new man, fearless and pitiless. And I was afraid.49

Lanz could not only claim to be one of the "grandfathers of Fascism and National Socialism,"50 he is also a legitimate ancestor of modern SF. As he himself stated in 1930, "a whole new generation of authors is already living off their exploitation of 'Ostara'-ideas."51

A science and technology functioning as a mass religion and the "transcending of man" are even now the favourite concepts of precisely those technocrats (and their literary allies) who think of themselves as particularly progressive and unprejudiced. Just as in fascism, frequently they also propagate a sane-way-of-life pseudo-philosophy, usually consisting of a Social-Darwinist barbarism as style of government and principle of social organization. As Hitler said: "Yes, we are barbarians. We actually choose to be such. It is a princely title. It is we who will renew the world, This world is dying."52 The epitome of all counter-revolutionary slogans, Lanz's "In our most distant past lies our most modern future,"53 was the sociopolitical motto of fascism. In SF--German and U.S.--this concept is still constantly utilized and reanimated (as for von Daeniken's bestselling title Memories of the Future, one could almost start a copyright-suit against him). Its traditional conjunction with racism has no doubt become less prevalent, but the programmatic combination of "sword and sorcery" as power-style and social structure with "science fiction," standing for uninhibited capitalist and technocratic industrialism, is still with us.

--Translated by Sabine Kurth, edited by DS.

From:
Manfred Nagl
"SF, Occult Sciences, and Nazi Myths"

Science Fiction Studies
#3 = Volume 1, No. 3 = Spring 1974

What a piece of work...Glad to have had the opportunity to read it. Thanks





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some of us are angels ... in transit.
and yes, i know a nordic alien. maybe two.
lucky me.
refutation means nothing. i just know. period.

have a nice evening, people. otherwise, it's just pathetic.


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I fled Him, down the nights and down the days; I fled Him, down the arches of the years; I fled Him, down the labrythine ways of my own mind ...
don't you see?


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I am glad you liked the article, Rockessence.
(What specifically did you like about it?)

Naturally, it was too long for me to try and print the while thing so I tried to limit it to the material about Atlantis, which I figured would be what would be of most interest to people in this forum.

I am struck by how much of it found it's way into the Ted Danson documentary, "Search for Atlantis." That dealt a great deal with the German interest in it.


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I did not so much "like" it as appreciate the view into that system of thought explained by someone who seemed to have such a wide understanding of the period.
The whole article was massive! There was plenty that I left out!

Danson is biting off a big chunk, but maybe still too small to get the real picture....


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Since you all were the ones to bring it up, I would like to ask everyone here just what type of racial type you all might envision the Atlanteans to have been. Blonde, Nordic? Maybe it's the Ted Danson special speaking to me, but that has always been how I envision them.
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