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Pagan Beliefs vs. Christianity (A Second Darkness Covers the Lands) - Original

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« Reply #375 on: December 30, 2007, 10:53:15 pm »

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Beginnings

Pelagius was born c. 354. It is commonly agreed that he was born in the British Isles, but beyond that, his birthplace is not known. He was referred to as a "monk" by his contemporaries, though there is no evidence that he was associated with any monastic order (the idea of monastic communities was still quite new during his lifetime; solitary asceticism was more typical) or that he was ordained to the priesthood. He became better known c. 400 when he moved to Rome to write and teach about his ascetic practices. There, he wrote a number of his major works — "De fide Trinitatis libri III," "Eclogarum ex divinis Scripturis liber primus," and "Commentarii in epistolas S. Pauli," a commentary of Paul's epistles. Unfortunately, most of his work only survives in the quotations of his opponents.

In Rome, Pelagius became concerned about the moral laxity of society. He blamed this laxity on the theology of divine grace preached by Augustine, among others.

Around 405, it is said that Pelagius heard a quotation from Augustine's work Confessions, 'Give me what you command and command what you will.' This verse concerned Pelagius because it seemed from this verse that Augustine was teaching doctrine contrary to traditional Christian understandings of grace and free will, turning man into a mere automaton.

When Alaric sacked Rome in 410, Pelagius and his close follower Caelestius fled to Carthage where he continued his work and briefly encountered St. Augustine in person.


Persecutions

An objective view of Pelagius and his effect is most difficult. His name has been maligned and used as an epithet for centuries by both Protestants and Catholics alike, and he has had few defenders. The Roman Catholic church denounced his work in word and yet the Reformation accused Catholics of succumbing to his ideas regardless and condemns both Pelagius and the Catholic Church. Meanwhile the Eastern Orthodox Church is silent. Regardless, Pelagius stands, both in reality and in icon, as a radical from the traditional thoughts on original sin and the means of salvation. In any analysis of his work, we should bear in mind that Pelagius' chronology and teachings can only be understood through the actions of his opposition because they have left the only record of him and his works.

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Augustine of Hippo

Pelagianism was quickly spread, especially around Carthage, one reason the opponents acted so promptly and strongly. Augustine contributed four letters specifically to Pelagianism, "De peccatorum meritis et remissione libri III" (On the Merits and Forgiveness of Sins Book III) in 412, "De spiritu et litera" (On the Spirit and the Letter) and "Definitiones Caelestii" (The Heavenly Definitions) in 414, and "De natura et gratia" (On Nature and Grace) in 415. Here he strongly affirms the existence of original sin, the need for infant baptism, the impossibility of a sinless life without Christ, and the necessity of Christ's grace. Augustine's works are intended in part for the common people and for this reason do not address Pelagius or Caelestius by name.


Jerome

Pelagius soon left to Palestine, befriending the bishop there. Jerome was involved as well. Jerome wrote against Pelagius in his letter to Ctesiphon and "Dialogus contra Pelagianos." With Jerome at the time was Orosius, a visiting pupil of Augustine, with a similar apprehension of the dangers of Pelagianism. Together they publicly condemned Pelagius in Palestine where all three of them currently resided. Bishop John of Jerusalem, a personal friend of Pelagius, called a council in July 415. Church sources claim Orosius' lack of Greek fluency rendered him unconvincing and John's Eastern background made him more willing to accept that humans did not have inherent guilt. Yet the council still had no verdict and passed its outcome to a Latin decision because Pelagius, Jerome, and Orosius were all Latin.


Diospolis

It was only a few months later in December of 415 that another synod formed in Diospolis (Lydda) under a Cesarean bishop initiated by two deposed bishops who came to Palestine. However neither bishop attended for unrelated reasons and Orosius had left after persecution by Bishop John. Pelagius explained to the synod that he did believe God was necessary for salvation because every human is created by God and claimed that many works of Celestius did not represent his own views. He also showed letters of recommendation by other authoritative figures including Augustine himself who, for all their disagreements, thought highly of Pelagius' character.

The Synod of Diospolis therefore concluded: "Now since we have received satisfaction in respect of the charges brought against the monk Pelagius in his presence and since he gives his assent to sound doctrines but condemns and anathematises those contrary to the faith of the Church, we adjudge him to belong to the communion of the Catholic Church."

Pope Innocent I

When Orosius returned to Africa, two local synods formed and condemned Pelagius and Celestius without their presence. Because the synods did not have complete authority unless approved by the papacy, Augustine and four other bishops wrote a letter urging Pope Innocent I to likewise condemn Pelagianism. He agreed without much persuading.

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Pope Zosimus

Pelagius' own guilt in the eyes of the Church, however, was undecided. Pelagius wrote a letter and statement of belief showing himself to be orthodox and then sent them to Innocent I. In these he articulated his beliefs to not contradict what was formally condemned. Pope Zosimus entered the office by the time the letter reached Rome in 417. Zosimus was duly impressed and declared them innocent.
St. Augustine, shocked that Pelagius and Celestius were not judged to be heretics, called the Council of Carthage in 418 and clearly stated nine beliefs of the Church that Pelagianism denied:

1. Death came from sin, not man's physical nature.
2. Infants must be baptized to be cleansed from original sin.
3. Justifying grace covers past sins and helps avoid future sins.
4. The grace of Christ imparts strength and will to act out God's commandments.
5. No good works can come without God's grace.
6. We confess we are sinners because it is true, not from humility.
7. The saints ask for forgiveness for their own sins.
8. The saints also confess to be sinners because they are.
9. Children dying without baptism are excluded from both the Kingdom of heaven and eternal life.


Every canon was accepted as a universal belief of the Church and banished all Pelagians from Italy.
The last canon is no longer widely accepted, for example current Roman Catholic Church doctrine states that children who die without baptism are entrusted to the mercy of God (CCC 1261); thus leaving unbaptized infants' salvation still in question.

Pelagius and the Doctrine of Free Will

After his acquittal in Diospolis, Pelagius wrote two major treatises which are no longer extant, "On Nature" and "Defense Of The Freedom Of The Will." In these, he defends his position on sin and sinlessness, and accuses Augustine of being under the influence of Manicheanism by elevating evil to the same status as God and teaching pagan fatalism as if it were a Christian doctrine.
Augustine had been converted to Christianity from the religion of Manicheanism, which stressed that the spirit was God-created, while the flesh was corrupt and evil, since it had not been created directly by God. He argued that their doctrine that humans went to hell for doing what they could not avoid (sin) was tantamount to the Manichean belief in fatalism and predestination, and took away all of mankind's free will.
Pelagius and his followers saw remnants of this fatalistic belief in Augustine's teachings on the Fall of Adam, which was not a settled doctrine at the time the Augustinian/Pelagian dispute began. Their view that mankind can avoid sinning, and that we can freely choose to obey God's commandments, stand at the core of Pelagian teaching, and comes through even in the writings of Pelagius' opponents.
An illustration of Pelagius' views on man's "moral ability" not to sin can be found in his Letter to Demetrias. He was in Palestine when, in 413, he received a letter from the renowned Anician family in Rome. One of the aristocratic ladies who had been among his followers was writing to a number of eminent Western theologians, including Jerome and possibly Augustine, for moral advice for her 14-year-old daughter, Demetrias. Pelagius used the letter to argue his case for morality, stressing his views of natural sanctity and man's moral capacity to choose to live a holy life. It is perhaps the only extant writing in Pelagius' own hand, and it was, ironically, thought to be a letter by Jerome for centuries, though Augustine himself references it in his work, "On the Grace of Christ."

Death and Later

Pelagius probably died in Palestine around 420, as reported by some. Others mention him living as many as twenty years later. The cause of his death is unknown, but the prevailing rumours suggest either that he was killed by his enemies in the Catholic Church, or that he left Rome in frustration and headed into Africa or the Middle East.
His death did not end his teachings, although those who followed him may have modified those teachings. Because little information remains with regard to Pelagius' actual teachings, it is possible that some of his doctrines were subject to revision and suppression by his enemies (followers of Augustine and the Church leadership as a whole at that time).
Belief in Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism was common for the next few centuries, especially in Britain, Palestine and North Africa.

Possible Influences on Pelagius

It is likely that Pelagius and Pelagianism were influenced by both Pelagius's Celtic ancestry and his Greek styled learning. Greek thought emphasized punishment over guilt, as the Latin church did; thus Pelagius tried to hold humanity up to a greater responsibility for individual actions. Celtic paganism championed a human's ability to triumph even over the supernatural, which Pelagius may have applied to sin, to some extent. Finally, the Greek philosophy of Stoicism was said to be an influence leading to his ascetic lifestyle.
[edit] Pelagius in Literature and Film
The Pelagius Book by Paul Morgan is a historical novel that presents Pelagius as a gentle humanist emphasizing individual responsibility in contrast to Augustine's fierce fatalism.
Pelagius is referred to in Stephen Lawhead's book, The Black Rood, and makes an appearance in Patrick where he has a discussion with the Anglo-Irish saint.
Pelagius is frequently referred to in Jack Whyte's series of books known as A Dream of Eagles, where a major character's belief in Pelagius' ideas of Free Will and the laxity of the Roman Catholic Church eventually cause him to come into conflict with Church representatives.
The government of the English-Speaking Union (Enspun) in Anthony Burgess' The Wanting Seed is locked in a perpetual cycle, rotating between the 'Pel-Phase', named after Pelagius, and an Augustinian phase. The former is one of police and social services, the latter is characterized by martial law.
Curiously, Pelagius was the macguffin in the recent movie King Arthur. Although not a major character, he is portrayed as the mentor of young Lucius Artorius Castus, or Arthur. Upon hearing of Pelagius's murder in Rome, Arthur's affection for the monk leads him to break off loyalty with the Roman Empire and help the Britons fight the Saxon invaders.

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« Reply #378 on: December 30, 2007, 10:58:37 pm »

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Heather,

There is one more very famous magic user that is missing from your list; possibly the model for the most famous of all magicians:

St Patrick, King Arthur's Merlin?

In Gaelic, Ártùr (Aertwr in Cymraeg) means "a tower of battle or slaughter." (Ár in Gaelic and aer in Cymraeg means battle or slaughter; tùr in Gaelic and twr in Cymraeg is a tower.) As a name, the phrase became popular shortly after the reign of Comgall of Dalriada, the great-uncle of Artúr mac Aedan. Like the legendary Arthur, Comgall was born between 456 and 460 CE. His grandfather, Fergus Mor Mac Erc ("son of Erc" is a reference to the kingdom of Ercing or Ergyng, which is associated with Arthur in legend) was a Culdee supported by St Patrick himself, whose prophesy said that Fergus' line would rule a "greater kingdom" than that of his brother, Lughaidh in Ireland.

The period of Arthur's "twelve battles" during which he gained a reputation of invincibility occurred when Comgall was between 25 to 36 (or 29 to 40) years old, that is, the years 485-496 CE. Comgall did not become king of Dalriada until his father's death in 496 CE. Just as we would call someone "A Tower of Strength" today, Comgall became known as "A Tower of Battle or Slaughter", an Àrtùr.

According to the list of battles said to have taken place between 491 and 496, Arthur waged war in every year except in 493 CE when St Patrick died. It is known that Comgall was present at Patrick's death. He was either 33 or 37 at the time.

While Patrick is venerated as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church, he was more likely to have been a Celtic Christian, and a practioner of a combination of Druidic/Culdee beliefs, including shape shifting - there is a very famous story of Patrick's transformation of himself and his followers into deer to escape an ambush set by the Irish King. The spell he used is called St Patrick's Breastplate, “Today I gird myself with strength of sky, light of sun, brilliance of moon, speed of lightning, swiftness of wind, depth of sea, firmness of earth and the power under the earth.” - And, while Patrick is said to have fought against the Druids, it should be remembered that it was the Druids of this same King Lughaidh, the brother of Fergus Mor Mac Erc, against whom he fought as he struggled to establish Fergus' "greater kingdom".

The last of Arthur's twelve battles, the Battle of Mt Badon, took place in 496 CE, the year Comgall's father, Domangart, died in battle and the year Comgall became king of Dalriada. He ruled for 46 years. Àrtùr is said to have ruled for 45 years after the Battle of Mt. Badon.

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« Reply #379 on: December 30, 2007, 11:02:44 pm »

So ends the original version.

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& Happy New Year, everybody!

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« Reply #380 on: June 03, 2008, 11:26:50 am »

Hi Heather,

I am a Pagan. I'm also new to this site. I have neighbors who are **** Christians. In fact, they banned me from their bible studies and from their home after they learn secrets that I kept from them. Over the years, they have tried to convert me in to Christianity.

Anyways, I've just been wondering; Why is it so hard for Christians to believe that EVERY holiday that, even they celebrate, came from the Pagans? Hasn't that even been proven?? 

Take your time to answer back. There is no rush. Smiley
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« Reply #381 on: June 24, 2008, 01:11:43 pm »

Sure, here is the answer (and welcome to the forum, by the way):

Christians are very protective of their religion and have been brainwashed from an early age that every aspect of their religion is divinely inspired!  That is why different narratives like the one presented in the Da Vinci Code and Holy Blood, Holy Grail are so shocking to them.

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