ATLANTIS & the Atlantic Ocean 1 (ORIGINAL)

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George Erikson
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   posted 12-10-2006 11:40 AM                       
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Carolyn,

Your FloridaSmart list somehow does not include my work, Atlantis In America: Navigators of the Ancient World. Otherwise, it is pretty good.

National Geographic Channel "Is it Real? Atlantis" [TV-G]
Saturday, December 30, 2006, at 6PM EST. Check listings for CST & MST airings.


Ever since Plato first described the existence of an island paradise populated by an advanced civilization, the myth of Atlantis has captured the human imagination. Join NGC on a quest that traverses the globe in search of the ever elusive lost civilization of Atlantis. The special features, among others, Prescott anthropologist George Erikson. Erikson presents evidence that Atlantis existed in the Yucatan and in submerged lands off the Yucatan, Bahaman, and Cuban coasts 11,500 years ago when sea levels were up to 400 feet lower than today. Erikson presents Plato's argument that civilizations are periodically destroyed, often by the people who inhabit them, and only a few of the unlettered survive to eventually create new civilizations unaware of the past.

www.AtlantisInAmerica.com 

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According to most experts, it is possible that there was a kind of "Atlantis" at Tartessus (or Tarshish) in southwest Spain. Tartessus had so much silver, legend says, that the hogs ate from silver troughs and the Phoenicians, who traded there, made anchors of silver so that they could transport even more of the precious metal home. The Greeks learned of Tartessus in about 631 B.C., and it disappeared in about 500 B.C.; no one knows why. In the 1920s, Professor Adolph Schulten of Erlangen dug up the site of Tartessus, but the high water table kept him from finding much except artifacts from later civilizations.

http://www.trivia-library.com/a/search-for-the-lost-city-of-atlantis-part-3-the-search-continues.htm 

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   posted 12-10-2006 11:54 PM                       
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George, I think that list came from the new guy, Icarus, not Carolyn, but, yes, it did leave some of the best Atlantis rescources off there, your website and work among them (and this one, too).

 

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Originally posted by docyabut:
According to most experts, it is possible that there was a kind of "Atlantis" at Tartessus (or Tarshish) in southwest Spain. Tartessus had so much silver, legend says, that the hogs ate from silver troughs and the Phoenicians, who traded there, made anchors of silver so that they could transport even more of the precious metal home. The Greeks learned of Tartessus in about 631 B.C., and it disappeared in about 500 B.C.; no one knows why. In the 1920s, Professor Adolph Schulten of Erlangen dug up the site of Tartessus, but the high water table kept him from finding much except artifacts from later civilizations.

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Docyabut, the Phoenician historians also said that Tartessos had written records going all the way back tens of thousands of years, to the time of Atlantis. Too bad that no one has ever found Tartessos, it might make for some really interesting finds.

 

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Scientists marvel at sea life miles deep By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP Science Writer
Sun Dec 10, 4:30 PM ET



WASHINGTON - Peering deep into the sea, scientists are finding creatures more mysterious than many could have imagined. At one site, nearly 2 miles deep in the Atlantic, shrimp were living around a vent that was releasing water heated to 765 degrees Fahrenheit. Water surrounding the site was a chilly 36 degrees.

An underwater peak in the Coral Sea was home to a type of shrimp thought to have gone extinct 50 million years ago.

More than 3 miles beneath the Sargasso Sea, in the Atlantic, researchers collected a dozen new species eating each other or living on organic material that drifts down from above.

"Animals seem to have found a way to make a living just about everywhere," said Jesse Ausubel of the Sloan Foundation, discussing the findings of year six of the census of marine life.

Added Ron O'Dor, a senior scientist with the census: "We can't find anyplace where we can't find anything new."

This year's update, released Sunday, is part of a study of life in the oceans that is scheduled for final publication in 2010. The census is an international effort supported by governments, divisions of the United Nations and private conservation organizations. About 2,000 researchers from 80 countries are participating.

Ausubel said there are nearly 16,000 known species of marine fish and 70,000 kinds of marine mammals. A couple of thousand have been discovered during the census.

The researchers conducted 19 ocean expeditions this year; a 20th continues in the Antarctic. In addition, they operated 128 nearshore sampling sites and, using satellites, followed more than 20 tagged species including sharks, squid, sea lions and albatross.

Highlights of the 2006 research included:

_Shrimp, clams and mussels living near the super-hot thermal vent in the Atlantic, where they face pulses of water that is near-boiling despite shooting into the frigid sea.

_In the sea surrounding the Antarctic, a community of marine life shrouded in darkness beneath more than 1,600 feet of ice. Sampling of this remote ocean yielded more new species than familiar ones.

_Off the coast of New Jersey, 20 million fish swarming in a school the size of Manhattan.

_Finding alive and well, in the Coral Sea, the type of shrimp called Neoglyphea neocaledonica, thought to have disappeared millions of years ago. Researchers nicknamed it the Jurassic shrimp.

_Satellite tracking of tagged sooty shearwaters, small birds, that mapped the birds' 43,500-mile search for food in a giant figure eight over the Pacific Ocean, from New Zealand via Polynesia to foraging grounds in Japan, Alaska and California and then back. The birds averaged a surprising 217 miles daily. In some cases, a breeding pair made the entire journey together.

_A new find, a 4-pound rock lobster discovered off Madagascar.

_A single-cell creature big enough to see, in the Nazare Canyon off Portugal. The fragile new species was found 14,000 feet deep. It is enclosed within a plate-like shell, four-tenths of an inch in diameter, composed of mineral grains.

_A new type of crab with a furry appearance, near Easter Island. It was so unusual it warranted a whole new family designation, Kiwaidae, named for Kiwa, the Polynesian goddess of shellfish. Its furry appearance justified its species name, hirsuta, meaning hairy.

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Associated Press writer John Heilprin contributed to this report.

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On the Net:

Census of Marine Life: http://www.coml.org

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Sort through the media disinformation:
http://mediamatters.org/
 

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George Erikson
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   posted 12-12-2006 09:40 AM                       
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Trent,

What is your website? 

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Trent

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   posted 12-13-2006 02:55 AM                       
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Sorry, George, I don't have one. All my investigations (if you want to call them that) have been pretty limited so far.

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   posted 12-28-2006 10:51 PM                       
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SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
By R. Cedric Leonard

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In spite of the tradition carried down to us that King Cadmus of Tyre invented the alphabet from whole cloth (Jackson, 1981), there are equally ancient and venerable traditions which point to a western, rather than an eastern, origin of our alphabet. For instance, Diodorus (1st Cent. B.C.) records an important alternative:


Men tell us . . . that the Phoenicians were not the first to make the discovery of letters; but
that they did no more than change the form of the letters; whereupon the majority of mankind
made use of the way of writing them as the Phoenicians devised. (Lib. Hist., Book V).


In the same work Diodorus mentions that the Phoenicians had discovered a marvelous Atlantic island during their excursions outside Gibraltar. Atlantis was long gone, of course, but the survivors of that catastrophe still existed on the Canary Islands (and possibly others) and it is known that the Guanches inhabiting those islands possessed a system of characters which the Phoenicians could have commandeered.


Manetho (250 B.C.) also recorded that the Egyptians themselves derived the elements of their writing from an island in the west. Ancient Egyptian papyri also attribute the invention of writing to the god Thoth who ruled a "Western Domain". These same papyri declare that Thoth came from an Island of Flame (Atlantis was very volcanic, and perished in flames). The Turin Papyrus (1700 B.C.) lists Thoth as one of the ten kings who reigned during the "reign of the gods," more than 12,000 years ago.


Strabo, the Greek historian, records a tradition that Tartessos (on the coastal tip of Spain) had written records that go back 7,000 years before their time (500 B.C.), which is equivalent to saying that writing was being utilized on the Atlantic coast of Spain 9,500 years ago.


These are strong traditions suggesting the existence of an older, unnamed culture in the west that had long been familiar with the art of writing. We cannot help but remember the 12,000-year-old Azilian painted-rocks as well as the 20,000-year-old bone calendars (Marshack, 1972). Both of these are possibly a form of writing according to experts in anthropology and paleography.


Can a relationship be demonstrated between some of the better known western alphabetic (actually syllabic) writing systems and our Glozel prototype? The answer is, "Yes!"


First, there are the inscriptions on the Canary Islands (especially those on Hierro and Grand Canary): the script resembles Numidian and appears to be composed of some twenty four characters and a number of ideograms (Cline, 1953).


Although usually called an alphabet, the ancient Numidian (Berber) writing is actually a syllabary (Gelb, 1974). The Tuaregs of North Africa speak Tamachek, but their written language, T'ifinagh, is also syllabic and is closely related to the Basque language. T'ifinagh is being forgotten before it can be either properly classified or translated (Friedrich, 1957).


Even the Aymara Indians living along the shores of Lake Titicaca in South America were in possession of an ideographic form of writing when the Spanish conquistadors appeared on the scene (in spite of a ban on writing put in effect by the 63rd Inca ruler, Topu Gaui Pachacuti). Some of these signs correspond exactly to the characters found on the Canary Island inscriptions and among the Tuaregs and Berbers in North Africa (Wilkins, 1946).


Does all this sound familiar somehow? Basques, Berbers, Tuaregs, Guanches, and even the Aymaras of South America? We are talking about the same areas, the same people, the same language, and the same culture called "Atlantic" by learned scholars. In other words, our Cro-Magnon-Atlanteans.


There must have been a "western" prototype (which I believe we have in the Glozel Tablets), completely independent of the eastern writing system which evolved later in Sumar, for all these "Atlantic" systems to be so much alike.


Prof. W. Z. Ripley (1899) agrees: "A system of writing seems also to have been invented in western Europe as far back as the Stone Age." We will demonstrate the validity of this startling statement in the article entitled Ancient Alphabets Compared.


Since Cro-Magnoid skulls have also been unearthed in South America, it would be interesting if some competent linguist should inquire into possible linguistic links between the Basque (Euskara) and South American (e.g., Quechua and/or Aymara) languages. Any such study should, of necessity, be based largely on structural and syntactical correspondences rather than vocabulary similarities.


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Bibliography

Champollion, Jean Francois, (translator) The Turin Papyrus, 1700 B.C.
Cline, Walter, "Berber Dialects and Berber Scripts," Southwestern Journal of Anthropology,
Vol. 9, 1953.
Diodorus Siculus, Library of History (Oldfather's translation), Book V, 8 B.C.
Friedrich, Johannes, "Extinct Languages," Philosophical Library Inc., New York, 1957.
Gelb, Isaac J., "A Study of Writing," The University of Chicago Press, Chicago & London, 1974.
Jackson, Donald, "The Story of Writing," Taplinger Publishing Co., New York, 1981.
Manetho, Egyptian Dynasties, circa. 250 B.C.
Marshack, Alexander, "The Roots of Civilization," McGraw-Hill Book Co., New York, 1972.
Ripley, W. Z., "The Races of Europe," D. Appleton & Co., New York, 1899.
Strabo of Amasya, Geography (63 B.C.-24 A.D), translated by H. L. Jones, Loeb edition, 1917-1932.
Wilkins, Harold T., "Mysteries of Ancient South America," Rider & Co., London, 1946.


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It's really amazing how scientist keep ignoring the similarity between the Glozel writing and the Phoenician alphabet. If you look at the writing, it is similar. And Diodorus does say that the Phoenicians got their language from visiting a large island.
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Tartesso. 

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Tartesso.
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you should put that as your signature DOC !

 

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Carolyn whether or not the Earth has had multiple Moons is an unproveable assumption. The revulation that our present Moon will tear apart and shower the earth with debrie is totally the opposite of what is known to be occuring. The Moon has been moving away from the Earth for a very long period of time. In time our Moon will break away from the gravity of Earth and become a minor planet, revolving around the sun on its own.

 

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Docyabut, have you ever entertained any other theories than Atlantis in Tartessos? That one seems a bit shaky to me, too

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Tempest, just about all of them. Tartesso is the only logical theory. I think ancients were no different then today`s people, in writing fiction based on a few true facts. 

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The Azores

The origin of the name Azores was derived from the archaic Portuguese word "azures" the plural of the word blue. Some say that it was named after the goshawk bird (Açor in Portuguese). However, since such bird never existed in the Azores, most historians have concluded that this the least probable explanation.

Sete Cidades Lake - Sao Miguel Island





The Azores Islands are located in the Atlantic Ocean, about two hours flying time and 930 miles (1500 Km) from Lisbon, and about five hours flying time and 2422 miles (3900 Km) from the eastern coast of North America. The Azores have a total area of 910 square miles (2355 Km2). Their individual areas vary between S. Miguel's 290 square miles (747 Km2) and Corvo's 7 square miles (17 Km2). Its nine island archipelago extends over the parallel that runs through Lisbon (39º43'/39º55' north latitude), giving it a moderate climate with mild annual temperature oscillation.


The Azores sit atop of the Atlantic ridge and are of volcanic origin. Santa Maria is the only island that has signs of reef sediment. The volcanic origin of all Azorean islands is revealed by their volcanic cones and craters. Pico, a volcano that stands 7725 feet (2,351 meters) high on the island of the same name has the highest altitude in the Azores.


The archipelago of the Azores is and Autonomous Region of the Portuguese Republic since 1976 extending for 373 miles (600 km) from Santa Maria in the western group to Corvo on the eastern group. It forms an exclusive economic zone of 425 square miles (1.1 million km2). Portuguese is the official language, although there are some dialects of Flemish and African origins. The current president of the Azores is Cesar Carlos. The Presidency for the autonomous government sits in Ponta Delgada (S. Miguel), with the Supreme Court in Angra do Heroismo (Terceira) and the Legislative Assembly in Horta (Faial). Ponta Delgada is the largest city with about 55,000 habitants.


The Azores where discovered in 1427 by Goncalo Velho (a contested fact by historians), a captain sailing under the command of Henry the Navigator. The colonization of the Islands started in 1439 with people from Portugal, North Africa, Flanders and Spain. There were no humans living in the Azores at time of discovery.


Azores Archipelago


The 9 islands of the Azores archipelago are divided into three groups:


The Eastern Group of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria


The Central Group of Terceira, Graciosa, Sao Jorge, Pico and Faial


The Western Group of Flores and Corvo.


The Azores, an outline of garden-like islands on the horizons of the Atlantic ocean. Peace and quiet, flowers in the fields, in the villages, in the houses. The blue and green of dreamy lagoons. A pace of life in which there is time to stop and appreciate living. Art treasures that recall pages of a centuries-long history. Nature in its original splendor. A meeting with the past involved in everyday life. An invitation to discover and experience a different world, repeated on each of the nine islands of the Azores.

http://www.azores.com/azores/azores.php