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« Reply #855 on: January 02, 2008, 11:40:49 am »

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ok galaxy was a god not god, mother goddess like earth too, sun is the son sun-songod.
the big one is the god who made the universe i agree.
but for children mom is more important than the president.
 
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an example in esoteric christianism. st-anna the galaxy, mary the earth, jesus the sun.

"And as regards the second fundamental primordial cosmic law, namely the sacred Triamazikamno, cosmic Objective Science formulates it in these terms. A new arising from the previously arisen through the "harnel-miatznel, the process of which is actualized thus the higher blends with the lower in order together to actualize the middle, and thus to become either higher for the preceding lower or lower for the succeeding higher."

anna upper, mary lower, jesus middle.




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look at galactic pattern

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Earthquakes in the Azores


Since the Azore Islands have been inhabited, and probably long before then, they have been plagued by earthquakes. Some of these have been minor, but many of them through the years have been devastating. "Teremoto" is earthquake in Portuguese and surely a word that struck terror in the hearts of many of our ancestors! While researching death records or obitos, if you see that word associated with deaths, you will know that the region suffered greatly and that probably many lives were lost in that time.

The following excerpt is used with permission from Eloise Cadinha Emacadi@aol.com
"Some years back I was researching next to Dorothy, who was researching the Death Records in Calheta, Sao Jorge, in the 1700s when she asked me to give a look to what she was researching. So many deaths listed in the margins, 6, 3, 8, 4. She pointed to one record. Her ancestors wife had died along with all his children except one. The priest had mentioned the one survivor. The priest knew all his parishioners and wrote each entry well.

We thought we had come across some kind of plague...nearly killing all the residents of Calheta. I had looked at many death records but had never seen anything like those enteries in Calheta. I rolled the film back a couple of pages and there across the top of one page was the word TERREMOTO. I told Dorothy - these people had died in an earthquake. Dorothy, not knowing Portuguese, had missed this. I told her she should have pulled out her dictionary, which she always had near her.

When I had first visited Calheta I had been told of the terrible earthquake of 1757, and had later read about that devastating earthquake which destroyed the Calheta district. Yet, a few miles away in Velas the quake was scarcely felt.

Some years back when there was only the Portugal List - no Azores List - I did post the following to the list. It might be of interest because of the recent postings on the Death Records.

Before listing the dead, the Vicar of Santa Catarina Church, Father Joao Machado Teixeira, who had escaped death himself, wrote that his two brother priests were killed that night. He wrote a short account of what happened. Following is my translation.

"Following this note are the records of the people who died on the night of the 9th and early morning of the 10th day of July of this year 1757, that razed and demolished the stone walls of the fields, the cliffs, the fountains, and not a single house remained that had not rotated on its foundation, and a large part of its residents dead underneath these same ruins; and for them who lived through the Divine Kindness and Compassion will remain with a life so crushed and torn to pieces even though it can be said that by a miracle they escaped; nor would there be a place where the dead could be buried: - because the mother church of this town and the three chapels suffragans to the mother church are all turned around from top to bottom, nothing remaining in their church yards where they can be buried.

"God by his infinite compassion left me life, removing me from under the many large stones of my house that fell on top of me, he permits that these days that he conserved my life only to be fruitful in his saintly service, Blessed and Praised always Divine Compassion."

-- Neatly written, page after page, the dead are listed by household, the number of dead of each household written in the margin. How well Father Machado knew his parishioners. He gives their names and ages; single, married or widowed; where they came from if not natives of Calheta; and in many cases their occupations. What is so amazing is the amount of detail in these records at such a time of upheaval.

The churches in Calheta, Ribeira Seca, and Topo were destroyed and 1,034 people in the district were killed, and many others crippled or maimed. My ancestors in all three places survived the earthquake. One can imagine the terrible hardships of the people of this district.

In another earthquake on the 16th of April 1852 on Sao Miguel a lot of damage was done to parish churches, especially one of them, Santa Luzia, in Feteiras. Here the church was severely damaged, the churchyard walls fell in, many homes were destroyed, and people slept in the fields for weeks. My gg-grandparents living in Feteiras were 8 and 10 years old; old enough to remember it always. Later they lived in Hawaii. They must have remembered that day often when the goddess of volcanoes, Madame Pele, showed anger with earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. I wonder if they ever told their three children of that April earthquake.

Another earthquake closer in time, not a memory of the past, was the powerful earthquake of 1980 which destroyed so much of Angra. My father’s great-aunt and husband were killed in that earthquake.

Eloise"


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Bimini North Island

(Bahamas) hull ballast and slipway; Underwater stone platform, hull ballast (Andros: for more information please click here); second ‘road’ at Anguilla; third, Palm Beach, Florida; fourth, Miami ship canal, Florida. Jetty at Ft. Lauderdale is built with the same stones as those at Miami. Possible junk ballast. Many of the stones are marked with star-shaped borings (Charles Huegy)


A recent investigation into the Bimini road has come up with all sorts of interesting new information. In May 2005, a team of researchers made an extensive expedition to both Bimini and Andros in the Bahamas. In brief, at a second site about one mile from the formation known as the "Bimini Road," numerous stone circles were found along with stone anchors, wood under some of the large stones, and cut blocks of stone. This particular site is almost completely unknown. At the Bimini Road, numerous multiple tiers of stones were found, prop stones were found under the massive blocks, and cut rectangular slabs of stone were found stacked under some of the large blocks. A variety of other human artefacts were found including two dozen pieces of grey marble—found under a large block. To summarise, the team have found widespread evidence which suggests that the Bimini Road and the nearby Proctor’s Road formation can definitely be said to have been harbour work formations. Secondly, the presence of the various cut rectangular slabs, the wedge stones, and large stone anchors at Bimini point to a maritime culture more sophisticated than the Taino or Carib peoples. They believe they have found the remnants of a long-gone maritime culture. More recently we have been told that early tests suggest that the cut stones date to c.500 years ago. For more information please visit the following links:
http://www.mysterious-america.net/newunderwaterbim.html
http://www.mysterious-america.net/bimini-caysal200.html

Hull ballast and sail counterweights also at Moeraki beach, New Zealand.
For similarities between the Bimini Road and the slipways used in China please read Image of China - William Alexander by Susan Legouix, (Jupiter Books, London.)

An American archaeological team has discovered definitive evidence of underwater ancient harbor remains at two separate locations at Bimini. A free 30-page pdf report on the expedition containing 70 photos can be downloaded at: http://www.mysterious-america.net/biminihoax.html
On page 73 there is a painting dated November 16, 1793 'Boat passing over an inclined plane near Ning Po.' Part of the description reads "The inclined plane or glacis** over which the flat-bottomed junks were hauled by man-powered capstans was situated at the point where one canal met another at right angles. The boat was dragged up a gravelly** slope and propelled forward down another incline on the opposite side." NOTE** The plane is described as glacis (smooth) and later as gravelly. In my opinion it would be smooth because a gravelly surface could damage the boat's bottom - Jonathan Bingham

Stone dams and fishponds found by first Europeans:

Hawaii (M Armstrong) - Menehune (Oahu); Fish pond on on the Huleia river (Allen Wheeler)
Virginia (J Warsing) – Wyoming County – forts, dams.
New Zealand - S. Island & N Island (D Bell) – see N Z Evidence.
Westport, Mass (Jean Elder)
Fiji, Alof islet (Fortune) – Mariner’s Mirror vol 10 (140 15’ S 1780 10’ W);
Caribbean - Andros Island, circular fishponds (Huegy);
New Zealand S. Island (Marlborough); eel ponds (D Bell).
Australia, Warnambool, eel ponds.

Slipways

Bimini Road (B Swinley).
Anguilla Bahamas (Bruce)
Andros – underwater platform and harbour (Charles Huegy), Florida
Miami ship canal
Jetty at Fort Lauderdale is built with the same stone as those at Miami (Charles Huegy)
The discovery is of a large stone and mortar ramp under the water off the beach north of Jalisco, Mexico. It is constructed in large blocks approximately 3 meters by 10 meters by one meter thick. The ramp is roughly 20 meters wide and 400 meters long. It begins in 5 meters of water and runs toward an extremely protected beach – more information to be provided soon.
Possible stone pavements / slipways found from the outer reef to the shore on Maina Island in the south-west corner on the Aitutaki ground in the Cook Island (Lat: 18.8° S Lon: 159.8° W). The structure is similar to that of Bimini, Andros etc. The guide at the location could not provide any further information on the stones - Matt Barrett

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Timelines: A Phoenician Fable



The island of Corvo in the Azores is one of the most remote places on earth. To reach it, one flies first to Santa Maria or Terceira, and then, on a very small plane, to Flores to wait for the weekly mail run by a 20-foot motor launch that is the island's link to the world. Corvo is the tip of a volcano in the mid-Atlantic ridge and, except for a small area at the south end where a village and port are located, it rises up in sheer cliffs from the sea. Yet this ten-square-mile speck of land is the focus of a most remarkable story of ancient seafaring, a tale involving a statue and a hoard of Carthaginian coins. If true, the discovery of Corvo by Carthaginians would surely change our thinking about ancient navigation, for the easiest way to reach Corvo is to sail first to America on the Canary and North Equatorial Currents and then ride the Gulf Stream back to the Azores.

The roots of this tale can be found in the year 1567, when Damien de Goes, biographer of the sixteenth-century Portuguese kings, reported that a stone statue of a bareheaded man clothed in a Moorish cape and seated on a horse had been found at Corvo. His left arm rested on the horse's mane, while his right arm stretched straight out with the index finger pointing to the west. King Emmanuel of Portugal (1495-1521) sent for the statue, but those in charge of the project carelessly broke it. Nonetheless, the heads of the man and horse, and the right arm with the pointed finger are said to have been brought to the king's palace for display. De Goes added that in 1529 it was noted that the base on which the statue had stood was inscribed. Wax impressions of the inscriptions were made, but could not be read as the letters were very worn and "almost without form."

In 1628, Manoel de Faria y Sousa, another Portuguese historian, repeated de Goes's tale. It might well have died there, but in 1778 Johan Podolyn, a Swede born in Portugal, published a remarkable story. He claimed that in 1761, he went to Madrid to see Fr. Henrique Flores, a professor of theology and coin collector, who gave him two gold and five bronze coins from Carthage and two bronze coins from Cyrene, in North Africa, dated to ca. 200 B.C. He claimed that the coins were the remnants of a hoard found in November 1749 in a black pot near the foundation of a destroyed building in Corvo. Podolyn added to this account a description of the statue of Corvo, citing Faria y Sousa as his source, and discussed the possibility that Carthaginian sailors discovered Corvo, settled there, erected the statue, and left the coins. He then ventured the opinion that these colonists undertook an expedition "to the west," the statue indicating with its pointed finger where they had gone.

De Goes's statue and Podolyn's coins generated a literature of their own. Some accepted the finds as genuine; others rejected the idea of Atlantic voyages by Phoenicians or their successors, the Carthaginians, and offered other explanations: the statue never existed, or it was just a natural formation; the coins were a hoax, or modern importations to Corvo by Arabs, Normans, Spaniards, or early Portuguese settlers. Both stories, the statue and the coins, may be rooted in a Phoenician fable that has survived under various guises into our own time.

In order to guarantee a trade monopoly against the Greeks in particular, the Phoenicians promulgated the myth that the Atlantic was a muddy, impassable sea infested with monsters. The Phoenicians did not believe this myth themselves - they had colonies up and down the Atlantic seaboard and had circumnavigated Africa by the fifth century B.C. The Phoenicians and Carthaginians were secretive about their routes, and it served that secrecy to let the world believe that ships could not go beyond the Strait of Gibraltar. Plato and Aristotle were among those who accepted the myth as fact.

The name "Pillars of Hercules" for the Strait of Gibraltar may have referred to islands in the strait or to actual pillars in a Phoenician temple at Cadiz. In either case, they became a boundary; to sail beyond them was to court disaster. Eventually, the world of the Arab and Persian geographers contained actual pillars with statues on them at the boundaries of the known world. Ibn Khordadbey (mid-ninth century) said that at the outermost end of the world, off the Spanish coast, there was a warning monument: a bronze horseman who, with his outstretched arm, indicates that beyond here there is no clear way, and anyone who ventures farther will be swallowed up. As the known world expanded, geographers placed the statues progressively farther away - even to the east in Yemen and India. They were always just out of reach of the explorers, just at the border between the real and the mythical.

The myth of the warning statues found its way from Arab geographers to medieval European cartographers, and in 1367 made its clearest appearance on a map created by the Italian Pizigano brothers. At the edge of their map, just about where the Azores actually are, is a figure with an outstretched arm, and, next to it, a medallion with an inscription on it. The inscription is in part unintelligible, but the message is clear: there is a statue here and navigation beyond it is impossible. The Piziganos probably placed their warning in the area of the Azores by accident and that chance gave rise to the notion that the statue was in the Azores when the islands were discovered a few years later. It is likely that a natural rock formation on the north side of Corvo called Ponta do Marco - the boundary marker - came to have its name because early sailors identified it as the actual location of the statue. When the "edge of the world" disappeared with the discoveries of Columbus the statue had no new unknown land to move to.

The statue itself was supposed to have been destroyed in the sixteenth century, but the fable lived on. The next element to be added was first documented by one Captain Boid in 1835. In discussing the inhabitants of Corvo, he says: "Amongst other absurdities they state, with the utmost gravity, that to Corvo is owed the discovery of the western world - which, they say, originated through the circumstance of a large projecting promontory on the northwest side of the island, possessing somewhat of the form of a human being, with an outstretched arm towards the west; and this, they have been led to believe, was intended by Providence, to intimate the existence of the new world. Columbus, they say, first interpreted it thus; and was here inspired with the desire to commence his great researches."

On a visit to Corvo, we discovered that the myth is still alive. The current version has it that at Ponta do Marco there is (or was) a statue, sometimes described as a statue of the Virgin Mary, pointing toward - of all places - Boston. The explanation is that Azorians have been longtime emigrants to New England, first to work on the whaling ships (as noted by Herman Melville in "Moby Dick"), later to work in the textile mills. So over the years the statue has been transformed from a warning of dangers beyond to a sort of magical road sign, used first (according to Podolyn) by the Carthaginians to show that they had gone west, then by Columbus to discover the New World, and finally by Azorians to find work.

Whatever purpose it has supposedly served, Ponta do Marco is magical. It can still be reached by anyone willing to brave the Atlantic. Our first attempt to go there with a local fisherman nearly ended in disaster when a storm came up. After fighting our way back around the island for hours, we reached port to find the whole town waiting for us. A second attempt in the (only slightly larger) mail boat was even rougher, but we did manage to see Ponta do Marco. It rises straight out of the water and its top looks just like built masonry. In isolation, it might be interpreted as such, but the Azores have many such formations; Ponta do Marco is just a particularly spectacular example. The local population variously places the statue as being (or having been) on top of Ponta do Marco or on top of the cliffs behind, which do have a number of rock formations that look like statues. Atilla Aydin, a geologist at Purdue University, suggested that the "built masonry" and the "statues" are normal volcanic and erosional features.

So, if de Goes's "statue" is not evidence of early voyages, what about the Podolyn coins? Today it is impossible to say whether they were actually found on Corvo. If it was a hoax, what was the motive? To ascertain a motive, we need to know more than we ever will about Podolyn and Flores. Was it a simple error on their part? It is possible that the coins were indeed from a place called Corvo - not from the island but from the town of that name located in the tin-bearing region of the Portuguese mainland, a town that may have attracted the Carthaginians as it was within easy reach of their other settlements. Perhaps either Podolyn or Flores misunderstood where the coins actually came from. There is no memory on Corvo of the coins.

Over the years the problem of the Corvo coins has become an important element in any investigation of whether the Americas were discovered in antiquity. As recently as 1983, B.S.J. Isserlin of Leeds University surveyed part of the island. On our own trip in 1978, facilitated by Manuel de Sousa d'Oliveira and by the National Institute for the Protection of Historical Landmarks of Portugal, we spent eight days surveying the fields at the southern tip of the island, the only place where there is a landing place and fresh water. Neither survey found anything that could be dated before the modern age of exploration.

It is likely that the answer to the question of Corvo has less to do with archaeological proof (like new surveys of Corvo) than with close attention to the nature of the myth. We believe the story of the statue was just a chance conjunction of an old Phoenician legend, the end of the age of exploration, and natural phenomena. Further, the statue and the coins are probably not two separate stories but part of one process in which the coins were attached to the myth of the statue by Podolyn. As we left Corvo we were persuaded that stories of Carthaginian visits were probably nonsense.

We returned to Flores to start home, and while there we stayed at the French military base. One of the officers, Francois Valls, told us of an inscription on Flores that no one could read. Skeptically, we set out the next day and, after a long drive and a difficult trek down a steep wooded hill, found it. A second's excitement gave way, first to laughter, and then to amazement. It wasn't a Phoenician inscription, but it was a piece of evidence nevertheless: "Capt. W.H. Land and 11 men landed May 5, 1873 from Bark Modena of Boston Mass. Foundered April 22." Later we learned from William Hunnewell at the Peabody Museum and Lisa Halttunen at Mystic Seaport that the Modena left Sierra Leone for Boston and arrived at Bermuda "leaky" on March 9, 1873. She was subsequently abandoned just north of Bermuda on April 22, and the crew spent the next 13 days adrift at sea. Their lifeboat, caught in the Gulf Stream, took then more than 2,000 miles to Flores.

They commemorated their deliverance with a monument. If they hadn't, there would be no material evidence of their presence on Flores. Similarly, Columbus stopped at Santa Maria in the Azores on his first return voyage, but there is no material evidence on that island of his visit. We know about it only because, like the Modena's crew, he wanted the world to know. We can hardly expect that the Phoenicians and Carthaginians, who created the myth of an impassable sea, to have given out stories of lands on the other side of that sea if they made the voyage.

Is the "statue" of Ponta do Marco evidence of a Carthaginian voyage? Highly unlikely. Are the coins evidence? It is now impossible to say. Yet explaining away the statue and the coins begs the question: Could the Carthaginians have reached Corvo or the Americas? Most scholars now reject the idea, but by the eighth century B.C. at the latest, Phoenician ships were regularly going from Tyre and Sidon to the trading station at Mogador, a distance of more than 2,000 miles. Sailors who did that were perfectly capable of going farther. Mogador, an island off the coast of Morocco, is located just where the Canary Current starts west, just where the Columbus route to the Americas leaves the African coast. If the Azores were found in antiquity, shouldn't there be evidence of the fact there? Not necessarily, as there was no native population with which to trade. Stops for water, like the one Columbus made, would likely have left no trace. The Atlantic was not a muddy, impassable sea infested with monsters before 1492; scholars who reject even the possibility of Atlantic voyages in antiquity seem to believe the Phoenician myth that it was.


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If the story of the statue is true, it could mean that the Azores were inhabited prior to their discovery!

 
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Ancient historians

The Syracusan (Greek 100bc) historian Diodorus said the Carthaginians had a "large island" which was located "far out in the Atlantic ocean" - on which there were "many mountains" and "large navigable rivers". The land was rich in gold, gems, spices, etc. He stated that the Phoenicians had found it "by accident" while founding colonies on the west coast of Africa when some ships got lost. The Atlantic currents do in fact run straight at South America from that region so it would be possible for a lost ship to travel there, and the return voyage would be made easier by following the oceanic currents north then back east across the ocean. In fact this has happened in recent years, a small African fishing boat got lost in a storm and ended up on the coast of Brazil! In 1488 a certain Jean Cousin of Dieppe France, while sailing down the west coast of Africa was caught in a storm and blown across to Brazil. (This is four years prior to Columbus's more famous voyage.) The actual meteorological conditions do support this as probable. Diodorus said they (the Carthaginians) were "keeping it secret"!
Other historians (Herodotus and Polybius) have hinted at its existence, and further explained some of the other colonies. The coast south of Lixus was described as "teeming" with Punic trading colonies. One of the colonies founded by Hanno (500bc) which has not been located correctly was Cerne, (pronounced Ker-neh) it is my opinion this is today the Canary islands. When first discovered by the Portuguese, they found light skinned people, who had "writings" they themselves could not read and asked their Portuguese visitors if they could. They did not know what had become of their "motherland" - and this is taken by some authors to be proof of Atlantean influence, but I believe they were survivors of Cerne. The Portuguese were unimpressed with the people or their ruins and writings, and killed them - they also burnt the writings as possible heresy!

One of Plutarch's (2nd century ad) less known works* also states quite clearly the state of affairs. He cited a document which was found in the ruins of the old city of Carthage. He said the Carthaginians knew of a "true continent" which was located far to the west of Britain. He added that "greeks" had gone there and intermarried with the local peoples. The "greeks" who lived there, laughed at the people in Europe, which they said was a mere island by comparison - while they lived on the true continent which bordered the whole west side of the Atlantic.

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*Moralia XII, On The Face Of The Moon

It is my opinion that the "big island" was the Americas! I do not think the Carthaginian explorers founded big cities in the new world, rather they were more interested in commerce. There are several arguments against their having contact, one of which is there is not any ruins of any fort. However, there are a number of ancient earthwork fortifications scattered through the Ohio river valley that date to (about) 200bc - the height of the power of Carthage. Some strange artifacts have turned up in these ruins (called the Hopewell culture) including one amulet that appears very much Hebrew! In some of these ruins there are long stone structures that look remarkably like the 'boat sheds' used by Punic and Greek sailors to protect their ships during foul weather. Location is a problem, but they are close to a river even though the river is today too shallow for navigation, it may well have been deeper then.

Supposedly there are no written evidence of ancient contact, but in fact there have been a great number of writings found inscribed on stone scattered throughout the Americas. A number of them have been studied and deciphered, many by Barry Fell. (His books America BC and Saga America contain a good deal on this) Although they are nearly always denounced as "hoaxes" it is strange that only recently are many readable! Most have been in an ancient Celtic script called Ogam, and quite a number are Iberian and Punic, while some are even Egyptian! The seamanship of the ancient Celts is little respected, yet no less than an authority than Julius Caesar described their ships as quite large compared to his small Roman vessels, capable of traveling in the open seas!

The strange ruins of Mystery Hill in New Hampshire are in fact the remains of a Punic-Celtic colony. Aristotle mentioned that the Carthaginians had once attempted a colony in their "secret land" but later withdrew it, blocking others from attempting it including their allies the Etruscans and even the Tyrians fleeing the wrath of Alexander. Several other sites in New England are obviously related as well as a likely connection with the strange stone walls of southern California and several native American tribes of the southwest such as the Pima and Zuni.

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The true history of the Phoenician peoples and in particular the remarkable Carthaginians has never been told, virtually all we know of them is what was written by their enemies who were trying to paint them in the worst possible tones. Some of the worst of their practices such as human sacrifice were really nothing unusual for many cultures of their time. Even the supposedly civilized Romans buried alive two Gauls in an attempt to fulfill a prophecy which claimed that some part of Rome must be home to Gauls - not to mention the slaughter of countless thousands for entertainment! The Carthaginians may well have been the most accomplished explorers in history.

In conclusion here are a few collected articles for you to judge for yourself. I am working on a book to further explain this and present the evidence, if you are interested drop me a line at oroblanco@netscape.net. (the old address at USA.NET is discontinued 7/31/01) with your name and address, I will contact you to let you know when publication begins. (Please, no spam. It will not be opened or read.) *update, book project is still unfinished with new information now being added - anyone who has information and or photos they would like included is welcome to submit it for inclusion and full credit to sources.


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« Reply #863 on: January 02, 2008, 11:48:33 am »

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The large island was probably Africa (where the Phoenicians had colonies). It couldn't have been S. America, else there would be evidence that their culture was there. 
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« Reply #864 on: January 02, 2008, 11:56:40 am »

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There's plenty of evidence that the Phoenicians were there. Greg Little has said constantly that the Bimini Wall and the Andros Platform were built in the same style as Phoenician ports in the Mediterranean. Mainstream archaeologists reject this, but later on they'll come around (though maybe not in our lifetimes). 
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« Reply #865 on: January 02, 2008, 11:58:50 am »

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Or it could be that there actually was still a remnant of a large island in the Atlantic (Atlantis) that has sunk in recent times.
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« Reply #866 on: January 02, 2008, 12:00:26 pm »

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Obviously, there was an island in the Atlantic at one time or another that was called Atlantis and we simply haven't located which one it was yet. There are many secrets that the government is concealing from you, this is but one more.

 
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« Reply #867 on: January 02, 2008, 12:01:54 pm »

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I think that the Phoenician connection is a very real one. Both the Phoenician harbors in the Mediterranean and the ones in the Caribbean are both made of beach rock. They each have the same stone anchors (something like 20 stone anchors have been found near Bimini and Andros). Carthaginian coins were said to be found in both the Azores and South America, and we have coca in the mummies of Egypt. That, plus the fact that no one really knows where the Phoenicians came from (or even where they found their alphabet, which has symbols in common with ancient Azilian), and it all points back to Atlantis. 
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« Reply #868 on: January 02, 2008, 12:03:33 pm »

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I think that the Phoenician connection is a very real one. Both the Phoenician harbors in the Mediterranean and the ones in the Caribbean are both made of beach rock. They each have the same stone anchors (something like 20 stone anchors have been found near Bimini and Andros). Carthaginian coins were said to be found in both the Azores and South America, and we have coca in the mummies of Egypt. That, plus the fact that no one really knows where the Phoenicians came from (or even where they found their alphabet, which has symbols in common with ancient Azilian), and it all points back to Atlantis. 
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« Reply #869 on: January 02, 2008, 12:05:27 pm »

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Hi, artsnake, and welcome to the forum! Yep, I have seen that website and it has a lot of good material on it. It's too bad that Prof. Santos died before he got the chance to prove things!

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