Jaime Manuschevich
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Rate Member posted 04-21-2006 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Rich:
Timaeus actually has 1 reference to the Atlantic. Critias has several.
The Myrina myth points away from the Atlantic.
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Here is the timaeus reference:
"from your legions to be erased out of Atlanticus Sea/Men the war with the all tribes and nations inflicting."
-- an unconventional translation here, that is probably wrong, is replacing the word "sea" with "men". "Mari" is most commonly translated as Sea. And in the context of Atlantic, the meaning seems clear. However, sometimes "mari" is short-hand for "maritus", which means "men". This is the only reference to the Atlantic in Timaeus.
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"May be therefore with our each the credulity you consume to the affirmation of the ancient men, because Terras and of Caelus the son may be Ocean and [Tethys], of these again Saturn and [Rhea] and Phorcus, of Saturn to the leek and Rhea the offsprings Jupiter and Juno and the other which are in the mouth of the men and with the minds and about the brotherhood of which the rumour is celebrated; " -- Plato's Timaeus
Terra + Caelus (Gaea + Uranus)
Oceanus + Tethys
Saturn + Rhea, Phorcus
Jupiter + Hera
Note: Plato says Saturn is the son of Oceanus, and not the son of Uranus. Phorcus is the brother of saturn. This follows the Orphic Genealogy.
Orphic discussion:
http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/titans.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For me, the most important point of this debate is to clarify, without prejudices, if the Atlantic sea that describe the text of Plato is the Atlantic Ocean which we know or no. I affirm that it is not it for several reasons that already I have indicated above. One of these reasons is that to the sea that we called Atlantic, formerly, in time of Plato, was called Okeano. To thus they indicate many writings it of the time (Anaximander, Homer, Hesiodo). In the general, all academic the specialists in mythology Greek accept that it is a titan, that is to say, a sea, whitch is the important thing for this debate. Of who was Okeano son, there are several versions. I put two versions different from the subject, classic and a other of the pelagos, (Greek Mythology, F.L. Cardona. Edicomunicaciones, Barcelona, 1996) but without a doubt there are many more.
In addition, if the text is reviewed with another view, we will see that there are several elements that make us put in doubt the classic version. Timaeus. 25, in the last part, is very interesting. (Penguin Classics, London, 1977) “advances from its bases in the Atlantic Ocean to attack the cities of Europe and Asia.” They controlled Libya, the border of Egypt, and Europe to far Tyrrhenia. So far from who? Libya and Egypt are more far if they come from the West... If they come from east, Tyrrhenia is but far... or is another Tyrrhenia..., that is what I think...
