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ATLANTIS & the Atlantic Ocean 1 (ORIGINAL)

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« Reply #525 on: December 30, 2007, 08:00:00 am »

Desiree

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   posted 04-20-2006 09:20 PM                       
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That is your problem. Based on which I have read about which you have written here, I concluded that you do not know what is scientific methodology and specifically, which are technical methodologies and of investigation in social sciences, specifically history. I do not know if you know to distinguish between a data authorized by an investigation made by a specialist, a hypothesis of a specialist, that sometimes it is valid, but is necessary to prove, and the simple opinion of a non specialistic person, (“lego” in Spanish). I ignore in which category are you. I either if you distinguishes between knowing and believing. For that reason, I conclude that you do not understand what I have been indicating. These are its not simple opinions formulated at random. Are conclusions based on collected data of investigations and work made by scientists and specialists. They are not my "simple and personal opinion". It is a conclusion sanctioned by investigations. And, I mention each specialist in my conclusions.
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You’re talking down to me only proves that you don’t even know what you’re talking about in the first place, Jamie, and therefore have to resort to a cheap tactic that you believe gives you some kind of an edge. It doesn’t. And if you think it does, ask yourself this, how many converts do you think you’ve made here? More to the point, has anyone you’ve known with any knowledge on Atlantis even supported your theory, at least in part? I doubt it.

But getting to the specifics you cited once again, in the first place, you haven’t quoted any experts here. You quoted Robert Sarmast earlier, another Atlantis investigator (spelling his name wrong incidentally), who also happens to be a follower of the Urantia Book, hardly a scientific document. The other person you quoted was Robert Ballard who, even though he searched the Atlantic to find the Titanic, never took part in an expedition to find Atlantis. He was offering his personal opinion, not his scientific opinion. But the point is, as I mentioned earlier, you aren’t offering any science here, the source for your entire theory happens to be the Bible, hardly a credible historic document. Your references to Ballard and the Black Sea flood only prove my earlier point, that you’ve put together this theory simply based on your faith, nothing more. Fine if you want to take the Bible literally, most would say it is not a historical document, though.

As for not understanding what a specialist does, hardly. But the point is moot because you have never cited any specialists, nor have you ever produced any scientific evidence either, simply alluded to it. You did the same thing in your debate with Herr Saltzman before he was banned, suggesting you had evidence but never producing it. Jamie, who do you think you’re fooling..?


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In order to help you, I go to explains you with an example. You say that the Greeks considered that Gibraltar is narrow. On which data are you based to say such thing? There is some Greek document that specifically talks about the point? It exist some compared data? Or it is the conclusion made by some specialist endorsed by an investigation? Or simply, it is your idea?
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Wow, gee , Jamie, I guess in attempting to refute me, you’re also refuting all the numerous Atlantis investigators that have traditionally put Atlantis, past Gibraltar, in the Atlantic Ocean. Did I come up with this idea? No, it has only been common thought for the last twenty-four hundred years. Lost to you also isn’t just the fact that the Straits match the geographic description, but that all the ancient sources locate the Pillars of Hercules at the Straits of Gibraltar. You want to argue who is speculating here? Check the ancient sources, it is sheer hack work on your part to ignore this.



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The same it happens with mud and seaweed. That is not the opinion or conclusion of a specialist. A specialist never would say something thus without having, at least, some concrete data.
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A specialist (which you’re not) would use common sense, and realize that Aristotle and others also mention the mud, outside of Gibraltar, and that there is probably no Greek word for seaweed.


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 Also you criticize to me because I criticize the other theories.
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No, I criticize you because you don’t have a sound theory, not to mention no evidence.


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What a pity that you bother, but to demonstrate that a hypothesis is correct, this must be put under the critic. From my point of view, all hypothesis of Atlantis must pass three basic tests : Data collection and use of sources : All the data must be sufficiently scientific support. Concordance , is to say that it agrees with the indicated thing in the myth: island, that this one is greater than Libya and Asia, bulls, civilization marine, monotheism (you like or not),
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Plato does NOT mention monotheism, the fact that you believe they had it is, guess what? SPECULATION! Just like you accuse me of doing. Plus, you’re not even talking about an island, let alone one greater than Libya and Asia combined.


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date, agriculture, invasion to Egypt, that exists mud, that are a sea that are not navigable, that a port exists, great population, channels, Straits, that exist a small sea and one greater, a temple, mining, etc. I established ninety (90) data that must be verified. No serious investigator can that way walk saying that he discovered the Atlantis because he found something that could be a piece of the puzzle, without a work of investigation solidly endorsed.
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Jamie, where are any of Plato’s elements in your story? You mention Israel had agriculture, guess what? Every other part of your theory is speculation, supported only by phantom evidence that apparently only you’ve seen.


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Presentation of the conclusions : the investigation must be presented of a way so that it fulfills the minimum requirements of a work of scientific research. It must exist a publication of this work, or an article a scientific magazine or a book. The theory of Spain, Ireland, America, Crete, even Bolivia and perhaps others, has data that to analyze and are presented as it corresponds, thus have a value in itself. Nevertheless, they fail in the second test, the concordance. I must say that the theory of the Atlantic not even surpasses the first test of validity of the theory, because not even there are data that to analyze, single speculations.
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Guess what Jamie? Get your map out cause, last I’ve seen, the Americas, Spain, Ireland, even Morrocco all border the Atlantic and are all candidates for Atlantis, to which I would also add the Azores, Cuba, Bahamas,/Bimini region and the Canary Islands. Now you can sit there and go down the list of what you believe all their various flaws to be, but guess what they all have over your theory? They’re in the Atlantic, no one has to pretend that the Greeks and Egyptians were entirely ignorant of their local geography in order to accept it.


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Uff… To confuse language with writing seems to me terrible..
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I misspoke, how cordial of you to bring it up. Guess I’ll have to start making a list of all your various misspellings, improper word usages, and poor English after all.

 
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