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ATLANTIS & the Atlantic Ocean 1 (ORIGINAL)

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« Reply #510 on: December 30, 2007, 07:55:28 am »

Jaime Manuschevich

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 Originally posted by Desiree:
In the first place, Jamie, we never see any scientific evidence from you, only a lot of talk that you have some. The fact that you have yet to produce any to support any of what you say, in my opinion, at least, speaks volumes.
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That is your problem. Based on which I have read about which you have written here, I concluded that you do not know what is scientific methodology and specifically, which are technical methodologies and of investigation in social sciences, specifically history. I do not know if you know to distinguish between a data authorized by an investigation made by a specialist, a hypothesis of a specialist, that sometimes it is valid, but is necessary to prove, and the simple opinion of a non specialistic person, (“lego” in Spanish). I ignore in which category are you. I either if you distinguishes between knowing and believing. For that reason, I conclude that you do not understand what I have been indicating. These are its not simple opinions formulated at random. Are conclusions based on collected data of investigations and work made by scientists and specialists. They are not my "simple and personal opinion". It is a conclusion sanctioned by investigations. And, I mention each specialist in my conclusions.

In order to help you, I go to explains you with an example. You say that the Greeks considered that Gibraltar is narrow. On which data are you based to say such thing? There is some Greek document that specifically talks about the point? It exist some compared data? Or it is the conclusion made by some specialist endorsed by an investigation? Or simply, it is your idea? The same it happens with mud and seaweed. That is not the opinion or conclusion of a specialist. A specialist never would say something thus without having, at least, some concrete data.


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 In the second place, regarding a cataclysm like Brig speaks of, of course, it would be know to people, irregardless of where Atlantis was located if these people were a sea-faring people like most people believe.
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Therefore, from the point of view of science, all that is a simple speculation... that is to say, signify nothing . It is as if I said that in the Mars planet there are human beings... what it was verified when we discover them...


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You know, all this talk of a cataclysm, it occurs to me that that is another thing your theory is missing: Israel never had an Atlantis like catastrophe strike it. So while you are criticizing other people's theories, your certainly could use a great deal of cleaning up, too. In fact, probably more than some of the others.
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Although we did not discuss my theory here, I can say that the disaster existed in the 5600 BC... and is very well documented by many scientific works...

Also you criticize to me because I criticize the other theories. What a pity that you bother, but to demonstrate that a hypothesis is correct, this must be put under the critic. From my point of view, all hypothesis of Atlantis must pass three basic tests : Data collection and use of sources : All the data must be sufficiently scientific support. Concordance , is to say that it agrees with the indicated thing in the myth: island, that this one is greater than Libya and Asia, bulls, civilization marine, monotheism (you like or not), date, agriculture, invasion to Egypt, that exists mud, that are a sea that are not navigable, that a port exists, great population, channels, Straits, that exist a small sea and one greater, a temple, mining, etc. I established ninety (90) data that must be verified. No serious investigator can that way walk saying that he discovered the Atlantis because he found something that could be a piece of the puzzle, without a work of investigation solidly endorsed. Presentation of the conclusions : the investigation must be presented of a way so that it fulfills the minimum requirements of a work of scientific research. It must exist a publication of this work, or an article a scientific magazine or a book. The theory of Spain, Ireland, America, Crete, even Bolivia and perhaps others, has data that to analyze and are presented as it corresponds, thus have a value in itself. Nevertheless, they fail in the second test, the concordance. I must say that the theory of the Atlantic not even surpasses the first test of validity of the theory, because not even there are data that to analyze, single speculations.


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 I'm thinking that language was invented earlier, I think the marks we see in the Canaries are a language that hasn't been deciphred yet! I'm also thinking Egypt was a lot older than Egyptologists say it is.
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Uff… To confuse language with writing seems to me terrible...


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 Well, there you go the destruction of civilization would be caused by an asteroid and a massive extinction of animals would also take place.
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