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Jaime Manuschevich

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Rate Member   posted 04-17-2006 07:50 PM                       
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 Originally posted by George Erikson:

Brig, Speaking of bad translations...

Please read Plato's Timaeus and Critias translated by Sir Desmond Lee (Penguin Classics, 1965). The following passage is on pp 37-38 of the 1977 pbk edition.

"Among all the wonderful achievements recorded here of your city, one great act of courage is outstanding. Our records tell how your city checked a great power which arrogantly advanced from its base in the Atlantic Ocean to attack the cities of Europe and Asia. For in those days the Atlantic was navigable. There was an island opposite the strait which you call (so you say) the Pillars of Heracles, an island larger than Libya and Asia combined; from it travellers could in those days reach the other islands, and from them the whole opposite continent which surrounds what can truly be called the ocean. For the sea within the strait we are talking about is like a lake with a narrow entrance; the outer ocean is the real ocean and the land which entirely surrounds it is properly termed continent. On this island of Atlantis had arisen a powerful and remarkable dynasty of kings, who ruled the whole island and many other islands as well and parts of the continent. And, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island."
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The Egyptians speak about a sea small, almost like a great lake, with one narrow entrance and non navigable. In addition, it is a sea smaller than another neighboring sea, which if the true ocean can be called. The Egyptians use the word sea (pielago), the not ocean (okeano). The Atlantic Ocean does not have any of these characteristics: it is enormous, it is navigable, it does not have no narrow entrance, not this mud plenty. If the myth speaks of the Atlantic Ocean, Which is that other greater sea still? Nobody rationally can accept that it is the same sea, because apparently has the same name.


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 Plato had to be talking about the Americas. Outside the straits of Gibraltar (Pillars of Heracles) it is the opposite continent lying directly across the Atlantic Ocean. It is as large as Libya and Asia (Greek def.) combined. Parts of it were thought to be an impassable sea, Sargasso Sea). It was large enough to sustain a great power and ten kingdoms. 9,000 years before Plato larger areas of the Americas (Florida, the Yucatan, Caribbean Islands, Cuban land bridge, Bimini, the Bahamas, etc.) were inundated by great floods that came from the sudden release of great lakes at the end of the last Ice Age.
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The myths speak about mud, not seaweed, and these it do not so abundant for to block more than a small zone of that enormous sea.

In addition, in the region it indicates by George is not nothing indicates to us that there were bulls, elephants, cultivated fields, channels, great cities or indications that were a great center civilized something more ago there than 10 thousand years...

Reason why I have investigated, without a doubt the atlantean arrived at some moment at America. All the work of old navigators in America of George, I consider solid and very serious. I concluded just like he and Ivar Zapp. Study in special the drawings of Nazca, that are a map of the world with all the navigable routes known then, establishing all the civilized set up does one 6 to 7 thousand years. This map combines constellations with types of specific animals of each region, which are symbols unmistakable. But its colonization began after the disaster, is to say about 7 thousand years ago, not before.


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Sightlines from groups of spheres point directly toward Easter Island, Stonehenge, and Giza Like Polynesian sightings stones found in the Gilbert Islands at Arorae, the spheres indicate sailing routes, this time at the crossroads of worldwide navigational routes (at the middle of the Americas). Among items found in Costa Rica that repeatedly stress the navigational function of the spheres are Atlantean figures holding shallow concave bowls ( to determine zenith stars), repeated depictions of the Atlantean (Sailor's) Cross, and Stone Lapidas, found only in Costa Rica, so thinly carved that they mimic precisely the guara boards used in raft navigation by Peruvians at the time Europeans first encountered the "New World."
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These places are stamped or marked in the American routes because they are the facilities to follow the precession of the equinoxes there, key to guide by it stars. The map of Piri Reis puts the center geodesic in Gize, not elsewhere.


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 Why take Plato's word for it? As the founder of the Academy in Athens he was known as a man of truth. When he presented an allegory or story he identified it as such. He repeatedly said, "Atlantis was fact, not fiction," and that the story was strange but true." He presented his revered ancestor, Solon, and his respected teacher, Socrates, to tell the story. Plato would never have sullied these two great men a story he made up.
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I share it totally. But, my conclusion is that Plato confused a geographic places with others places one, by its great similarity. The Greeks of their time knew the Mediterranean and something of the Atlantic.

In any case, these data are very interesting. Later I will make a pair more of commentaries. Now I must sleep and tomorrow, I must work... Thus it is the life.