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ATLANTIS & the Atlantic Ocean 1 (ORIGINAL)

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« Reply #375 on: December 29, 2007, 07:54:48 am »








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   posted 04-05-2006 02:12 AM                       
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The seaweed is not just like the mud... if as much the Greek knew of this sea, why they did not say it...?
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How would they know if it was mud or seeweed, do you expect them to have diving gear? Very few people could even swim back then, deepsea diving wasn't even something they were capable of.


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The Mediterranean and the Atlantic continue being there, they have not disappeared and both seas continue being navigable...
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No one ever implied that they did. If the Atlantic Ocean was always considered naviagble, then there would be more evidence of contacts between the old and new worlds. It can be sailed, it just can't be sailed easily.


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Spartel did not sink.... underwent a tsunami, that is not same... The data only say to us, that its altered the levels of sea... Not even we know if before also it were under the sea...
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Oh, really..?

The hypothesis oput forward by Jacques Collina-Girard:


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Spartel Bank as Atlantis hypothesis
The following abstract is by French geologist Jacques Collina-Girard. Collina-Girard may not have been the originator of this hypothesis; see below.

At the end of the Last Glacial Maximum, when the sea level was at -135 m, the Gibraltar Strait was narrower and longer than presently. It opened on a half-enclosed sea (70km x 20 km), between the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. The largest Island (10-12 km) and its archipelago faced the Strait in this protected marine area, preceding the real Atlantic Ocean. According to the post glacial sea level rise (120 m from the late glacial maximum at 19 000 B.P° The paleogeography changed at around 9400 years BC (11400 B.P.), due to the accelerated sea level rise known everywhere in this precise period (4m/century during Meltwater Pulse 1A) drowning the top of the main island (presently located at -56 m). The hypothesis of the contribution of main tsunamis (Collina-Girard, 2003) similar to those historically attested (Lisbon earthquake) was recently argumented by geological observations from spanish oceanographer (Holocene turbidites cited by Gütsher, 2005). In this very seismic area they could haved transformed the rapid eustatic sea level rise in a main catastrophe drowning the Cape Spartel archipelago around 9400 years BC in very similar conditions and at the same period to those described and indicated by Plato in Timaeus . This geological history or a real geological Atlantis outside of Pillar of Herakles, curiously evokes the Egyptian tradition, starting point of the history of Atlantis in the text of Plato (400 years BC), “ Timaeus ” : an island and its archipelago drowned around 9000 years before Plato, immediately off the "Pillars of Herakles". Therefore, the hypothesis is that the Plato myth of “ Atlantis ” is built on a local prehistoric tradition of flooding transmitted during 5000 years to the first Egyptian scribes around 3000-4000 BC. Ethnographical examples, observations of long time conservatism in Prehistory and testimonies of the first classical texts prove that verbal traditions could record catastrophical events over a long period. The discrepancy between the size of the island and the degree of civilisation could be interpreted in the point of view of the philosopher, illustrating his own principles, just like a novelist writes his fiction from a core of real events. Obviously, there is a geographical and chronological correlation between the history of the real geological 'Atlantis" of the Gibraltar Strait and the mythical story of Plato's Atlantis. Accepting the scientific value of this relationship is certainly a speculative attitude … but the coincidence seems too close to be immediately rejected. (Abstract J.Collina-Girard)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartel


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“But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea.
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This only says it in the Timaues, in Critia says...


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“and when afterwards sunk by an earthquake, became an impassable barrier of mud to voyagers sailing from hence to any part of the ocean.”
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Both say that the Atlantic Island sunk, but even if they didn't, it would be unscientific to ignore one passage but cite the other. Both should be taken into account, not explained away. How else can the truth be known?
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