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Bianca
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Re: ATLANTIS & the Atlantic Ocean 1 (ORIGINAL)
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Apollo
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Originally posted by nekozuki:
Bahama Bank, azores islands, Celtic Shelf, these all fit in the Atlantic, ocean levels were lower the time Plato said Atlantis sank.
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Those and others, Nekozuki. Contrary to popular opinion, there actually haven't been a lot of expeditions into the Atlantic to find Atlantis. One was performed by Couseau, who also spent time in the Mediterranean, the others were performed by the Russians (eastern Atlantic, Celtic Shelf) and, of course the A.R.E Society in the Bahamas. Each one has reported findings.
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Originally posted by Boreasi:
As far as I know the original Plato is lost, but the content was saved - due to Arabic translations, that survived the midle ages - before they got translated back - to Greek. Is that correct?
Whatever the time-span of Platos life, whatever the story behind his sources - there is no other way than reading Plato on the terms of Plato. And that alone.
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1. I think the texts haven't survived only in arabic language, they are original, with small mistakes. The highest probability of mistakes coming into the story is BEFORE Platon wrote the story.
2. Unfortunately you have obviously no idea about the typical errors in ancient texts and what was the context of thinking of them. What could ancient people believe, what not?
You should learn a lot about that, then you will be able to study Plato in a better way.
Thorwald
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You tend to assume a great deal, Thorwald. In the first place, the highest probabability of errors occuring would not be when the story was first relayed, but it would be during it's various copying over the years. In fact, we don't have the originals of either Plato or Aristotle at all, but copies. Plato's academy was destroyed with the advent of Christianity, along with (as Nekozuki notes, the Library of Alexandria) and whatever hope may have lay in finding Plato's originals has been lost.
The oldest copy of Timaeus is Calcidious, which is in Latin, not Greek, and even then, dates some seven hundred years after he wrote it. It is only partially completed, but the Alantis sections are intact and all confirm the earlier dates and it's placement in the Atlantic Ocean.
As for the other dialogues, Boreasi is correct in assuming that they were lost to the world until they were rediscovered in about the thirteenth century, and they weren't discovered in Greek, but in Arabic.
After they were re-discovered, they were translated into a host of different languages, among them ancient Greek, so, in effect, you are not reading Plato's originals at all, but rather a version of them several times removed from what he originally wrote.
I trust that answers your question.
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