The Question of Morality (Original)

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Dawn Moline

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   posted 03-17-2005 09:10 PM                       
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And Dawn my heart tells me these topics are going exactly how you invisioned they would go, if you know human nature that is.
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Yes, Ishtar, how silly of me to presume that we could have an adult discussion here, amidst grown-ups. Perhaps my next topic should be about what flavor ice cream that everyone prefers.

And I take issue with your assessment of the "God" topic. I believe that one was going quite well, with several varying different viewpoints on the topic at hand until a certain person tried to take it over who, will, of course, remain nameless.

Iwannono,

I am displeased that you are leaving, but fully understand your reasoning. Good luck to you, kind sir. Last week, I considered leaving myself but decided it would be best to fight disinformation by setting a fine example.



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Aristotle

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   posted 03-17-2005 09:18 PM                       
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I first thought Calvin was pulling everyone's leg myself. Now I'm more convinced that the mental insititutions should limit their Internet access.


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Calvin Noble

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Rate Member   posted 03-17-2005 09:29 PM                       
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Calvin in some of you post I wonder if you are really serious, are you just pulling our leg?
You can't really think the government cares about this meaasge board can you? Sometimes I wonder if you are just baiting people to get them riled.

What really is going on here?
Calvin in all do respect I don't know any Christians that are this dogmatic?

I am not looking for a fight I am just asking.

Are you serious???


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Obviously, you haven't read any of my earlier posts, Ishtar, or else you wouldn't ask this question. I am deadly serious. I first came to this board in November, at about the same time as Aristotle and some of the others, and my position has remained consistent. In the beginning, I tried to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I still believe that people like Bluducky, Andrew, Absonite, and perhaps even Via Mars have hope, even though I don't like their positions on things. For others like Veronica, Aristotle, Baphomet, and last, but certainly not least, Dawn Moline, there is no hope. Perhaps you are new here, so you don't know, but people like them are exactly what happens to be wrong with America today. Dawn in particular, seems bent on breaking down, ever so subtly, the moral fabric of our society. They insinuate, ever so slyly, that is okay to blur the lines between right and wrong. On the surface, some of their messages might seem quite casual, read between the lines and you will see what I mean.

Do I intentionally mean to get them "riled"? Of course not. Yet, since I have no respect for their opinions and believe that they set a bad example for our children, I certainly could care less if they get "riled."

No, the government may not care about the Atlantis Rising message boards, but it is very concerned with deviant behavior, I would suggest that if any of these people are engaged in the sort of antics that their comments suggest, the government would be very interested with that. Once again, I would have no misgivings about any of them being investigated and, consequentially punished.
You are right that many of the heathens on this board tend to attack en masse not just me, but, one assumes, anyone who is Christian. I have my suspicions that, at their core, it is Christianity that they hate the most because it is so at odds with their own pagan message. To this, I say only, let them come. The wrath of God courses through me and I will let them no, in no uncertain terms, that they are dealing with a moral man.

Lastly, I don't know how to respond to the comment that "you don't know any Christians that are this dogmatic." My first reaction was to be outraged on this. I dislike the word "dogma" and believe that words like "dogma" and "fundamentalist" are labels created by the liberals to somehow cast doubt upon the veracity of our beliefs. Everyone who I count as a friend in the groups with which I am affiliated with believes in the same way that I do. In fact, often I find myself feeling a sense of shame that I haven't done as much as they have in attempting to save my fellow man.

The world is divided into two camps, both good and evil. Since I sense that you are a good person, I will ask this of you politely and hope that you will respect it in the spirit with which is asked: in the future, please do not make any comment that might dampen the spirit or cast doubt on the message I am trying to bring again. Don't be on "their" side. As good Christians, we must stand together and nothing less than America's moral character is at stake in this. Don't stand with the false teachers, sodomists and abortionists of the world, stand with God.


[This message has been edited by Calvin Noble (edited 03-17-2005).]


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Calvin Noble

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Last week, I considered leaving myself but decided it would be best to fight disinformation by setting a fine example.
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I find this statement laughable, Dawn, considering that everyone here knows you are a hedonist beatnik who is not to be trusted. Witness this statement by good Ishtar:


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And Dawn my heart tells me these topics are going exactly how you invisioned they would go, if you know human nature that is.
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Not to mention this statement by Andrew:


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And surely when you ask Dawn Moline this, ''And Dawn my heart tells me these topics are going exactly how you invisioned they would go, if you know human nature that is,'' that she wouldn't/couldn't be that remiss in not understanding human nature and the replies she must have known would be forthcoming.
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It would seem that the people here are beginning to see you as the deceiver you really are and no longer buying your "act." Remember, though, I was the first. I pride myself on spotting true evil in it all it's forms.



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  posted 03-17-2005 09:52 PM                       
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Why not take a good look at yourself then, you hideous little troll of a man.
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Melissa MacQuarrie

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   posted 03-17-2005 10:43 PM                       
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Calvin, on 03/15/05 you posted this statement:

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I would make abortion illegal in every circumstance, rape and incest included. Simply because a woman ends up in that condition doesn't mean that the child should suffer from it.
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Then, on 03/16/05, you posted this one:


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The woman having the abortion, like the doctor, would also be considered party to murder, too, so yes, ideally, in our minds at least, she, too, should be sent to jail.
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So, to your line of thinking, a woman should go to prison for having an abortion even if she was only made pregnant in the first place due to rape or incest? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Sort of inhuman, isn't it?

I'm a newylwed, incidentally. My husband and I haven't really decided whether we want children yet or not, but I would still like to think the choice would be up to us, no one else.



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God loves everyone, Calvin. You would have certain people thrown in jail or something similar. Therefore, you are at odds with God, and therefore, you are in league with Satan.
You are a false prophet sent by Satan to try to tempt us all into hating our fellow man. You trick us by claiming to speak for God, when in reality your message of hatred and fear is so transparent that you could not possibly be speaking for or on behalf of God in any way.

There is only good and evil, Calvin. No in between. So if God kills the entire world, including infants, by sending a flood, that is good. If God rewards his best followers by lavishing expensive homes and cars on them while their inferior flock lives in poverty, that is good. If there are millions without homes while God had hundreds of thousands of homes he doesn't need, that is good.

But if you come here and judge everyone, you are a Satanic devil-worshipping God-hater. So begone, foul demon of the darkness!


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I think what Calvin is saying the child had a right to live ,whether it was from incest or rape.Abortion and choice is a diffcult decision, however the women I know that had a abortion, had a hard time with the feeling of lost, a being that was also a part of themsleves.
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God loves EVERYONE. Thank you Dorian. That statement should have settled this feud.
Has anyone tried ignoring, lately? Ignorance is bliss, they say.

How long must this go on?


I want to talk about morality, so, I think I will do just that:

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What defines 'morality'? is it a by-product of society? Religion? family values?

A good upbringing will surely give an obedient child a steady foundation for the rest of it's life. (many adults even refuse to watch television programs with low to moderate adult content, due to their upbrining. They will simply leave the room until the offending show is over. Their upbringing has instilled solid, set 'values' in them)

This is one example. What about others?

Does religion set standards of morality to the degree that one cannot deviate from their teachings?

Every religion has sects, or denominations, which segregate the believers into groups, and thus, their accepted beliefs tend to differ. Does their sense of morality also differ, upon being segregated? Same religious articles, but different beliefs and different ideas of morality?


Who determines what is to be called 'Moral'?

Throughout the world, every society has different ideas, different Gods, and a different set of principles. Therefore, who can rightly say what is truly moral? Each one's upbringing dictates differently.

What are your thoughts?



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Calvin Noble

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Dorian Gray,
High words, coming from a self-professed "atheist." You have not the slightest concept of what God wants. You use the name of God only when it suits your heathenistic purposes. You are not a moral man.

I suggest that before deeming to lecture people on the Bible, that you actually read the Bible. There are many teachings in it for one such as you. You should get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness for all the misdeeds in your misspent life. I would suggest that, save that it is plain that hedonists like yourself, Veronica, Dawn, and the many others that have infested this forum are so far gone that it would be a lost cause.


 

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Calvin Noble

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Docyabut,
Thank you, you are one of the few here it seemes, who understands (and respects) my positions.

Melissa,

The confusion derived from the statements is one of yours, not mine, and is indicative of the corruption of our society as a whole. A child conceived by rape or incest is no less a child. Therefore, to abort it would still be murder, and the parties to such an act, both the doctor and the mother, should go to prison.
It was God's will that the child be conceived, who is man to reckon with that judgment?

Society must change it's standards on morals to be more in keeping with the new laws. God should not have to change his standards to be in more in keeping with the law of man.

As I said, the law of man can be changed, the Law of God can never be changed.


 

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  posted 03-19-2005 02:08 PM                       
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I composed a poem for you, Calvin, I call it "Calvin, the Bigot," I hope you like it:
Came to the forum in search of Noah's Ark,
We all soon found out, that was a great big lark
He doesn't like sex, gays, or women's rights,
All Calvin seems to be for is anything that supports the whites,
Not all whites, just those whom he likes,
he considers women subhumans and would take away their rights,
He's probably a polygamist, though he has yet to confess,
he's left our once fair forum in a great big mess,
Dawn, Dorian, Absonite, all he will fight,
All he seems to care for is the religious right
He hates abortion yet sees nothing wrong with rape,
Incest, too, is no problem, who is there to care?
Calvin's world is not only simple, it simply wouldn't be fair
If you don't think Calvin's way, he will tell his friend Bush,
And Bush will check out your private life and see what's there
Best be Christian or at least tow the line,
else Calvin will have us all doing time
He claims all his works are the works of God, another great lark,
Calvin's deeds are the works of man, God has left him in the dark,
God loathes bigots like Calvin who act in his name,
Satan is all happy, though, for these works were actually in his name

Hope you liked the poem, Calvin.


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It makes no sense to me either. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think anyone's attacking this guy cause he's a Christian, I'm Christian myself, I don't give a damn whether this Calvin guy is Christian. They're attacking him cause HE'S A KNOB, plain and simple.


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Moderators are getting slammed for not doing something about threads that are heading in the direction this one is going. Keep in mind, Moderaters can only censure sites they are assigned. Until it was brought to my attention on a different thread I was not aware of the problem. I try to stear clear of this sort of site because I know things are going to be said that rises blood pressure. If those posting this site cannot behave like adults; they should go elsewhere. It appears to me that serveral, here, are deliberately baiting others for a reaction. If you really want to debate the subject, and not just irritate someone, I think you could do it. Like myself, if the site upsets you, don't use it.
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Calvin Noble

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This first passage goes out to Dorian Gray, the rest, to the rest of you, each of you who already know who you are. Bear in mind, that it is not I, nor any man who judges, but God who judges:
Leviticus 20, verse 13
13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1, verse 24
24: Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1, verses 26 , 27
26: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1 Corinthians 6, verse 9
9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


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