The Question of Morality (Original)

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KMFDM

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Rate Member   posted 03-30-2005 10:27 PM                       
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And where is the Christian fundamentalist nutjob? I notice he hasn't been by in the last few days. Probably cowering in a church pew, afraid of the backlash over here...
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   posted 03-30-2005 10:54 PM                       
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KMFDM,

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And where is the Christian fundamentalist nutjob? I notice he hasn't been by in the last few days.
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To whom are you refering? And why do you insist on continuing the arguments?

Please stop, before you get this whole thread deleted.

(that goes for whomever else, too)

Oh! KMFDM, welcome to the forums. Nice atmosphere, isn't it?



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   posted 03-30-2005 11:06 PM                       
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Bluducky,
We were talking about CN. How can we not get offended by him when we have this big ole' post from him staring us in the face at the top of this thread, telling us all how immoral we all are, and how we were supposed to vote for Bush?

Mark my words, he'll come back again and when he does, he'll still be filled with the same fire and brimstone.


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   posted 03-31-2005 08:38 AM                       
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Ever notice the similarities between the words immorality and immortality.
hummmm...

What is morality?

Lets see what Webster has to say, wasn't he the one who beat the devil in "The Devil and Daniel Webster?."

Moral
1. of or relating to principles of right and wrong
2. conforming to a standard of right behavior
syn: virtuous, righteous, noble, ethical, principled.

The question of morality is an interesting one, because morality is defined in a cultural setting. What is moral in one culture may not be in another.

Example it was not moral (culturally exceptable) for Hebrews to eat pork.
While in other cultures there is no such prohibition.




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Posts: 1756 | From: Pontiac, MI. Oakland | Registered: Mar 2005   

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   posted 03-31-2005 06:42 PM                       
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Pagan, I am fully aware of the fact that one particular member is causing the most rucus, but thanks to the recent changes, problems now ought to be minimal. You must now be aware that itis the actions of the WHOLE that will endanger a thread. Let said member say his venomous words, and for them, let his entire post be DELETED. You don't need to provoke him, and get your OWN posts censured.
(please don't consider this the 'cowards way out', or unfair, but rather, a necessary step toward LESS moderation. let the bad posters take themselves out.)
On that note, if the offender's posts bother you so much, would you prefer to have them removed entirely? it would not be out of the question. (they are in clear breach of the rules)


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A good call.


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morality is defined in a cultural setting. What is moral in one culture may not be in another.

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Similar to something i said erlier, which was ignored in favour of a good fight

Does culture truly define morality?

I'll pull up my old post, it says it much better than I am capable of at this time.



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   posted 03-31-2005 06:46 PM                       
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I want to talk about morality, so, I think I will do just that:
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What defines 'morality'? is it a by-product of society? Religion? family values?

A good upbringing will surely give an obedient child a steady foundation for the rest of it's life. (many adults even refuse to watch television programs with low to moderate adult content, due to their upbrining. They will simply leave the room until the offending show is over. Their upbringing has instilled solid, set 'values' in them)

This is one example. What about others?

Does religion set standards of morality to the degree that one cannot deviate from their teachings?

Every religion has sects, or denominations, which segregate the believers into groups, and thus, their accepted beliefs tend to differ. Does their sense of morality also differ, upon being segregated? Same religious articles, but different beliefs and different ideas of morality?


Who determines what is to be called 'Moral'?

Throughout the world, every society has different ideas, different Gods, and a different set of principles. Therefore, who can rightly say what is truly moral? Each one's upbringing dictates differently.

What are your thoughts?



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   posted 03-31-2005 07:34 PM                       
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BluDucky
I have read a little bit of sociology
if haven't already read Margret Mead she is great.

It really is cultural to a certain extent, some societys are matrichal some patrichal.

Some sexual tolerant, some sexual repressive.

But I think their are some behaviors that are inherantly wrong no matter what the social context.

Some that the heart of the conscientious cannot abide, that is what pushes societal reform.


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  posted 03-31-2005 07:38 PM                       
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Ducky,
There is only one God. There are many different ways different cultures try to understand that God, but there is only one God. Well, maybe with the trinity there are 3 Gods, but there is still only one God.

Morality is directly linked to religion and God. Any question about morality which changes with the mores' and the times of evolutionary creatures is a reflection of that cultures understanding of God.

Morals are directly linked from one individual to another. The more one knows God as Father, the greater he will love his brother. Of course each family has beligerrant unruly brothers and sisters. This is a direct measure of the family consciousness of God. As goes the part, so goes the whole.

In a case like Terry Schibo and starving her to death, it was a very immoral act. Even for a vegetable. If they wanted to kill her for mercy, they should have just killed her. There was no need to starve her to death for 12 days with the whole world watching. Very barbaric. We are where we are. Perhaps it will now change and euthanesia will become more acceptable and merciful for these poor souls.

Of course many think God allowed or needed Jesus, an innocent son to die for a ransom; for your guilty sins and they think they are saved by his spilled blood. That is not the case. The act was willful self-centered barbarism no matter what planet you come from and he laid down his mortal life of his own free will for the sake and absolute santicity of free will. No greater sacrifice can someone make for their friends, and Jesus even took it a step further and did it for his enemies. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".


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   posted 03-31-2005 11:04 PM                       
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No, Bluducky, I don't want to get the thread in trouble or even snitch on anyone who's acting like a jerk. I don't like censorship at all, and the truth of the world is that, well, there are a lot of jerks. You're never going to be able to get them all.
I suppose I define morality a little differently than some of you here. Not only do I study Wicca, I'm also a lesbian, and, like a lot of people I see posting here, still in college. So I suppose the reason I'm so offended by Mr. Christian Fundamentalist here is cause I think that I already know what he would think of me. And I think it's pretty bigoted and unfair. Your version of morality probably won't be the same as mine. I think the word "morality" should deal more with violence as opposed to sexual standards. There's way too much killing in the world, you ask me.

Also, I don't see how we can have a thread devoted to morality without someone expressing something that's going to offend one person or another. If we all concentrate on being too polite to one another, no one is going to end up saying anything really important at all.


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   posted 03-31-2005 11:12 PM                       
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Absonite, I totally agree with you on the Terry Schiavo thing. They should allow euthanasia for cases like that, which would be much more merciful than starving someone to death. Of course, depending on who you listened to, she was beyond feeling pain at the time anyway.
I think the parents should have let her go long ago, they were just being selfish. I told my parents when this all came in the news to just let me go if anything like that ever happened to me. Of course, they probably won't listen so I'm looking to make out a living will.


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"love, love, love...
all you need is love"

The Beatles

Bring back the goddess

Athena you out there...

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"Pagan," welcome to the forum. I'm sure that you will fit in fine with the rest in this godless menagerie.
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Ain't you the lucky ones to be reading this document of such immense historical interest??

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Are you now, or have you ever been a sodomist... lol

When did you stop committing Sodomy?

One of the oldest word traps, and still quite effective...
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Did I say that?  Me?? 

I was really just getting started!!!

Too bad we don't have Calvin Ignoble to kick around anymore!  It's the next best thing to kicking around Bush!