The Question of Morality (Original)

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Calvin Noble

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Dorian Gray,
First in response, the rule of God takes precedence over the rule of man. Apparently, you will understand this ultimately only when you are roasting in hell in repayment for your heathenistic atheistic ways. Second, you are a sodomist for only a man who lusts for other men's rear ends as you put it would even jest about the idea in the first place. Those were your words, not mine. This subject is one of many immoral topics brought up by you. You are indeed a sodomist, a man of low moral character, and a poor example to our children. All that you have said in your defense only serves to prove my point, not to mention compound your bad behavior.

You tried to equate polygamy with sodomy and that is another fallacy on your part, for I rail against one and not the other. I see nothing in particularly wrong with polygamy, I see everything wrong with sodomists like yourself. We will change the constitution in order to make this a more Christian nation, God need never change his laws to be more in keeping with the law of man.

I ask again, what proof do you have that you are not a sodmist?

It may interest you to know that I have been reviewing some of your past comments to see if I have been perhaps unfair to you. My verdict is this: if anything I haven't been hard enough on you. You are a godless, immoral man, with little respect for our president, and so, most likely, also damned to the fires of eternal damnation. George Bush is an instrument of God himself and he will put low heathens like you so that you stop misleading our children down the same low paths that heathens like you have chosen.

I find it comical your attempts to quote the Bible, a book you clearly do not understand, to suit your cause. You have no understanding of it's teachings for it is clear that you have lived a despicable life, one filled with atheism, low morals, and, perhaps most sadly, sodomy. The lord loves a righteous man, Dorian, the lord loathes an immoral man. God has not abandoned you, Dorian Gray, you have abandoned God, and so you will end up with naught but the emptiness you deserve.

YOU SHOULD GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES AND BEG THE ALMIGHTY FOR FORGIVENESS, ACCEPTING THAT YOU ARE A SINNER, BEFORE THE HOUR GROWS TOO LATE!!

I would urge you and the others like you here to repent, yet I see that you are all so steeped in your prideful and disgusting ways that such advice would be lost on you!


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[Mark of Australia]

Hi Pagan,

An AR transcript ,hmmm,  That Calvin guy was funny ,,I take it he is not around anymore ,I'd like to ask him a question.

Just recently on AR I see Cern got a warning for no good reason at all,, That forum is pathetic . I hate it ,I hate it I tell you !   I hate it more than Jehovah's Witnesses hate Catholics 

Where are all the religious nutters gone ??   ... Maybe it's for the best

[Felecia]

Hi Mark,

We are trying to copy all of our old threads from the old forum before AR does one of it's famous "dumps" and we lose all our old research/battles. Plus it will be nice having them to refer to them, many of them are quite long.  (Origins of Love, I believe, ends up being something like 3,000 + posts).

I believe that Calvin Noble also is a member here, although he hasn't been around here lately. Very few people like him, so I don't imagine he is very well missed.

Cern was probably warned at AR because the mods there don't like him debating with Georgeos, who, apparently they make special attempts to protect.

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Calvin probably ran off and joined a cult, Mark, the cult of repressed, old, Bible-thumping old men!  And they can have him!

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Calvin Noble

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I would also like to know, "Dorian Gray," where you stand upon the issue of abortion though I believe that I already know the answer to that question.
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Calvin Noble

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Anassa,
I do not brand you a heathen, I believe that you are sincere in your quest for truth, unlike others who are not. However, if we truly love our brother, we tend to want what is best for them as well, and so that is why I try and urge God upon others. Know this, my words aren't so much for hedonists like Dorian, Veronica and others, but rather for others out there who might also be listening.

The world's morality is far too important to surrender to sodomists like Dorian, who's lust for pleasure is only matched by his desire to deceive. In fools like Dorian Gray, we see the true pawns of Satan. Sex is a disgusting act only to be engaged in for the purpose of procreation. Fools like Dorian and Veronica tend to make a temple out of it. Let us not ever be deceived by the desires of the flesh.



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Felecia

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As has been said before, you tend to be the best argument for keeping abortion legal, Calvin. You are a walking advertisement for it.


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My God is a god of love and also a God of inclusion, not exclusion. She would tend to love us all no matter what our acts, so long as they be done through love. God does not measure us by our obediance to the Bible, but rather a different book, the book of the human heart.
If God offers only wrath, and not purpose, for what purpose are we here? The reason we are all here, to exist as one, must surely be for each of us to love one another, and not hate and, in that test I fear some of us are sadly failing.



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Calvin Noble

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Once again, your words offend me, Dawn Moline, and so, also must offend God as well. Why don't you leave this forum to the true Christians here so that we may set a "fine example?" You're no "seeker of truth," but more likely a disciple of Satan sent to deceive and confuse.
One of many here, it seems.



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George Bush is an instrument of God himself and he will put low heathens like you so that you stop misleading our children down the same low paths that heathens like you have chosen.
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Calvin, do you really believe that crap? Cause from all I see is another politician that was trying to get elected. I don't think that voting for either Kerry or Bush makes one more religious than the other.



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Calvin Noble

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That is where you're wrong, Morrison. Bush is a good Christian man who has been born again and so, realizes the immense importance of the lord. Kerry doesn't even follow the teachings of Catholicism, his professed faith. He is an atheist at heart. His predecessor, Clinton, as we all know, was much worse. While Kerry is beholden to several liberal special interest groups, Bush is beholden to us. As I have said earlier, we control the Republican Party now, and we intend to make America moral again whether America wants to be or not.
If you don't believe the kind of power we possess, look how quickly that Bush signed into law the bill giving Terry Schiavo a second chance at life. True, it has yet to make it's way through the courts system again, yet when we wish the government to act on something, it does, up to and including, the Congress and the President of the United States.

We control everything now and will for sometime to come. The culture of life must be preserved at all costs and America will become moral again, mark my words.

Then, fallen women like Dawn, Veronica and Rorie can go elsewhere to have their abortions. If the rest of you don't like it, then, by all means move. America is stronger without you.



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Better watch the language, Morrison, Calvin could tell his friend Bush on you and there would you be? In jail for having loose morals, probably.
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Why don't you leave, you crazy old bastard? You're going to "legislate" morality?? Isn't there supposed to be a separation of church and state?? Who are you to tell me what to do with my or anyone's life?? Probably some old bastard that's into little kids, from what I can see.
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Sex is a disgusting act only to be engaged in for the purpose of procreation. Fools like Dorian and Veronica tend to make a temple out of it. Let us not ever be deceived by the desires of the flesh.
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I think this explains your hostility towards women, Calvin, who you seem to equate with simply objects of desire.



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Thank you for being so honest in your answer to my question, Calvin, I think I see things perfectly now. I don't mind saying that I disagree with you on them.
Can I ask how you plan on legislating our morality, though, like you referred to?



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Calvin,
Now isn't that funny. You say that what Dawn wrote offends you are call her the child of Satan. I too read what Dawn wrote and I agree with it 99 %. In fact I find Dawn much further along in her understanding that in relation to the things you write, your understanding is totally warped Calvin. You do not understand the bible and you understand even less of God. Between the two of you, Dawn is the true child of God while you on the other hand represent the worst Christianity has to offer. You, Calvin are the real child of Satan. Everyone here whether they believe in God or not knows that what you preach is hate, predjudice, envy; scorn and bigotry. You have lost your way Calvin and you don't even know it.

Let us compare what Dawn wrote to what Jesus says.


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Dawn-
"My God is a god of love and also a God of inclusion, not exclusion. She would tend to love us all no matter what our acts, so long as they be done through love."
Jesus-
"You can only judge men by their acts, but my Father looks into the hearts of his children and in mercy adjudges them in accordance with their intents and real desires."

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"The new kingdom which my Father is about to set up in the hearts of his earth children is to be an everlasting dominion. There shall be no end of this rule of my Father in the hearts of those who desire to do his divine will. I declare to you that my Father is not the God of Jew or gentile. Many shall come from the east and from the west to sit down with us in the Father's kingdom, while many of the children of Abraham will refuse to enter this new brotherhood of the rule of the Father's spirit in the hearts of the children of men.

140:1.3 "The power of this kingdom shall consist, not in the strength of armies nor in the might of riches, but rather in the glory of the divine spirit that shall come to teach the minds and rule the hearts of the reborn citizens of this heavenly kingdom, the sons of God. This is the brotherhood of love wherein righteousness reigns, and whose battle cry shall be: Peace on earth and good will to all men. This kingdom, which you are so soon to go forth proclaiming, is the desire of the good men of all ages, the hope of all the earth, and the fulfillment of the wise promises of all the prophets.

140:1.4 "But for you, my children, and for all others who would follow you into this kingdom, there is set a severe test. Faith alone will pass you through its portals, but you must bring forth the fruits of my Father's spirit if you would continue to ascend in the progressive life of the divine fellowship. Verily, verily, I say to you, not every one who says, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but rather he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

140:1.5 "Your message to the world shall be: Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and in finding these, all other things essential to eternal survival shall be secured therewith. And now would I make it plain to you that this kingdom of my Father will not come with an outward show of power or with unseemly demonstration. You are not to go hence in the proclamation of the kingdom, saying, `it is here' or `it is there,' for this kingdom of which you preach is God within you.

Dawn-
God does not measure us by our obediance to the Bible, but rather a different book, the book of the human heart.


Jesus-
""You find it difficult to receive my message because you would build the new teaching directly upon the old, but I declare that you must be reborn. You must start out afresh as little children and be willing to trust my teaching and believe in God. The new gospel of the kingdom cannot be made to conform to that which is. You have wrong ideas of the Son of Man and his mission on earth. But do not make the mistake of thinking that I have come to set aside the law and the prophets; I have not come to destroy but to fulfill, to enlarge and illuminate. I come not to transgress the law but rather to write these new commandments on the tablets of your hearts.

140:6.3 "I demand of you a righteousness that shall exceed the righteousness of those who seek to obtain the Father's favor by almsgiving, prayer, and fasting. If you would enter the kingdom, you must have a righteousness that consists in love, mercy, and truth -- -- the sincere desire to do the will of my Father in heaven."

Dawn-
If God offers only wrath, and not purpose, for what purpose are we here? The reason we are all here, to exist as one, must surely be for each of us to love one another, and not hate and, in that test I fear some of us are sadly failing.


Jesus-
"When I enacted for you a parable indicating how you should be willing to serve one another, I said that I desired to give you a new commandment; and I would do this now as I am about to leave you. You well know the commandment which directs that you love one anotherÊ; that you love your neighbor even as yourself. But I am not wholly satisfied with even that sincere devotion on the part of my children. I would have you perform still greater acts of love in the kingdom of the believing brotherhood. And so I give you this new commandment: That you Êlove one anotherÊ even as I have loved you. And by this will all men know that you are my disciples if you thus Êlove one anotherÊ.

180:1.2 "When I give you this new commandment, I do not place any new burden upon your souls; rather do I bring you new joy and make it possible for you to experience new pleasure in knowing the delights of the bestowal of your heart's affection upon your fellow men. I am about to experience the supreme joy, even though enduring outward sorrow, in the bestowal of my affection upon you and your fellow mortals.

180:1.3 "When I invite you to Êlove one anotherÊ, even as I have loved you, I hold up before you the supreme measure of true affection, for greater love can no man have than this: that he will lay down his life for his friends. And you are my friends; you will continue to be my friends if you are but willing to do what I have taught you. You have called me Master, but I do not call you servants. If you will only Êlove one anotherÊ as I am loving you, you shall be my friends, and I will ever speak to you of that which the Father reveals to me.

180:1.4 "You have not merely chosen me, but I have also chosen you, and I have ordained you to go forth into the world to yield the fruit of loving service to your fellows even as I have lived among you and revealed the Father to you. The Father and I will both work with you, and you shall experience the divine fullness of joy if you will only obey my command to Êlove one anotherÊ, even as I have loved you."


180:1.5 If you would share the Master's joy, you must share his love. And to share his love means that you have shared his service. Such an experience of love does not deliver you from the difficulties of this world; it does not create a new world, but it most certainly does make the old world new.



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180:3.2 "Many of those who will assail you are ignorant of the light of heaven, but this is not true of some who now persecute us. If we had not taught them the truth, they might do many strange things without falling under condemnation, but now, since they have known the light and presumed to reject it, they have no excuse for their attitude. He who hates me hates my Father. It cannot be otherwise; the light which would save you if accepted can only condemn you if it is knowingly rejected. And what have I done to these men that they should hate me with such a terrible hatred? Nothing, save to offer them fellowship on earth and salvation in heaven. But have you not read in the Scripture the saying: `And they hated me without a cause'?


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180:4.5 Jesus looked down upon them all, smiled, and said: "My little children, I am going away, going back to my Father. In a little while you will not see me as you do here, as flesh and blood. In a very short time I am going to send you my spirit, just like me except for this material body. This new teacher is the Spirit of Truth who will live with each one of you, in your hearts, and so will all the children of light be made one and be drawn toward one another. And in this very manner will my Father and I be able to live in the souls of each one of you and also in the hearts of all other men who love us and make that love real in their experiences by Êloving one anotherÊ, even as I am now loving you."


Let's compare Calvin to Jesus

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Calvin Noble
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Once again, your words offend me, Dawn Moline, and so, also must offend God as well. Why don't you leave this forum to the true Christians here so that we may set a "fine example?" You're no "seeker of truth," but more likely a disciple of Satan sent to deceive and confuse.

Jesus-
" I declare to you that every one who is angry with his brother is in danger of condemnation. He who nurses hatred in his heart and plans vengeance in his mind stands in danger of judgment. You must judge your fellows by their deeds; the Father in heaven judges by the intent."


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""I have not come to legislate but to enlighten. I have come not to reform the kingdoms of this world but rather to establish the kingdom of heaven. It is not the will of the Father that I should yield to the temptation to teach you rules of government, trade, or social behavior, which, while they might be good for today, would be far from suitable for the society of another age. I am on earth solely to comfort the minds, liberate the spirits, and save the souls of men."

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"And then said Jesus: "But you will stumble over my teaching because you are wont to interpret my message literally; you are slow to discern the spirit of my teaching. Again must you remember that you are my messengers; you are beholden to live your lives as I have in spirit lived mine. You are my personal representatives; but do not err in expecting all men to live as you do in every particular. Also must you remember that I have sheep not of this flock, and that I am beholden to them also, to the end that I must provide for them the pattern of doing the will of God while living the life of the mortal nature."


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"Jesus answered: "You shall return good for evil. My messengers must not strive with men, but be gentle toward all. Measure for measure shall not be your rule. The rulers of men may have such laws, but not so in the kingdom; mercy always shall determine your judgments and love your conduct. And if these are hard sayings, you can even now turn back. If you find the requirements of apostleship too hard, you may return to the less rigorous pathway of discipleship."

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140:3.20 "In the great day of the kingdom judgment, many will say to me, `Did we not prophesy in your name and by your name do many wonderful works?' But I will be compelled to say to them, `I never knew you; depart from me you who are false teachers.' But every one who hears this charge and sincerely executes his commission to represent me before men even as I have represented my Father to you, shall find an abundant entrance into my service and into the kingdom of the heavenly Father."

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162:2.7 "I bear none of you ill will. The Father loves you, and therefore do I long for your deliverance from the bondage of prejudice and the darkness of tradition. I offer you the liberty of life and the joy of salvation. I proclaim the new and living way, the deliverance from evil and the breaking of the bondage of sin. I have come that you might have life, and have it eternally."

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