Changing the World

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Volitzer

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I never said I don't like her. 

What I am saying is for her to be more mindful and more responsible for her actions.

Earth humanity has never refrained from any folly it was capeable of and this is what keeps us from joining in on the rest of the other human civilizations in the solar system. As well as keeping Earth humanity trapped by its own poor choices.   

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Jade Hellene

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Why should Dawn or any woman even like the church? What has it ever done for any of us?? It has only offered us years of organized suppression.

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Man, Calvin, you pop one line out of her narrative and run with it. That's what I like about you, Calvin, you're so open-minded! Calvin's view of the world: everyone thinks like, acts like him. No diversity, no differing points of view. Everybody has the same religion and everyone is a "God-fearing" fire and brimstone Christian.

And one of you idiots said "no more liberals"? So what, everybody is supposed to become a right wing Republican fascist??

Tolerance, Calvin. Like we're forced to act with towards you when you come up with one of your typically hypocritical posts.

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   posted 04-26-2005 11:12 PM                       
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Volitzer,

Well, everyone should be more responsible for their actions, don't you think? I've read what people say to Veronica, and I think she's treated terribly around here. You know, people can't help what they are, and it's wrong to blame women for all the problems. Sometimes, they can't help their problems. And, as men, I think it's wrong for us to stand idly by while a couple of right wing bigots come to this forum seemingly specifically to insult the women of this forum. I wouldn't want any woman I was involved with treated in that way, and I don't want them treated like that around here either.

Anyway, just venting, you know who I'm talking about.

Hopefully, the rest of this is back on topic, I like the theme...
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Morrison:

Anyone ever tell you that life is more about disposition and less about position.

This seems to be the key to many problems on this planet.

I guess the same thing can be said about all the Africans living with AIDS. I mean they couldn't help who they are either and now they're terminal.

Actions have consequences and no amount of sympathy is going to change that. Earth humanity's inability to fathom cause and effect is why the Earth environment and Earth humanity's circumstances is in the shape it's in.

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Jade:

Some religions have actually helped women from making a mess of their lives by their guidelines.

Such as ideas of chastity and the wisdom behind marriage and the stability it brings for a family.

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At www.rexresearch.com there is a book called "Prophecy: A History of the Future".

It has some really interesting passages.

Here is one of them that particularly intrigued me:

12. Stalking Wolf ~

In the 1920s, the Apache elder Stalking Wolf, who was the mentor of master tracker Tom Brown, Jr., received this horrid vision of the self-destruction of white men in North America. Only one sign remains to be fulfilled before the Purification begins:
"The Earth is dying. The destruction of man is close, so very close, and we must all work to change that path of destruction. We must pay for the sins of our grandfathers and grandmothers, for we have long been a society that kills its grandchildren to feed its children. There can be no rest, and we cannot run away; far too many in the past have run away. It is very easy to live a spiritual life away from man, but the truth of Vision, in spiritual life, can only be tested and become a reality when lived near society...
"I had a Vision... of the destruction of man. But man was given four warnings to that destruction, two of which gave man a chance to change his ways and two of which would give the children of the Earth time to escape the Creator’s wrath...
"They will be obvious to you and to those who have learned to listen to the spirit of the Earth, but to those who live within the flesh and know only flesh, there is no knowing or understanding. When these signs, these warnings and prophecies, are made manifest, then you will understand the urgency of what I speak. Then you will understand why people must not just work for their own spiritual rapture but to bring that rapture to the consciousness of modern man".
The spirit of a warrior appeared to Stalking Wolf and transported him to another time and place, saying:
"These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come to pass if man does not obey the laws of Creation and the Creator. There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so too does the future it marks."
The first sign was of a famine in Africa. Stalking Wolf found himself in a dying village. The spirit of a shaman spoke to him, saying:
"Welcome to what will be called the land of starvation. The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned. But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it created this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too many for the land to bear...
"These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love and peace. But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society. It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of creation and as a result is now forcing them to die...
"This will be the first sign. There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one. The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself.”
"It is during the years of the famine, the first sign, that man will be plagued by a disease... that will sweep the land and terrorize the masses. The white coats [doctors] will have no answers for the people and a great cry will arise across the land. The disease will be born of monkeys, drugs and sex. It will destroy man from the inside, making common sickness a killing disease. Mankind will bring this disease upon himself as a result of his life, his worship of sex and drugs, and a way of life away from Nature. This, too, is a part of the first warning, but again man will not heed this warning and he will continue to worship the false gods of sex and the unconscious spirit of drugs.
"The drugs will produce wars in the cities of man, and the nations will arise against those wars, against that killing disease. But the nations will fight in the wrong way, lashing out at the effect rather than the cause. It will never win these wars until the nation, until society, changes its values and stops chasing the gods of sex and drugs. It is then, in the years of the first sign, that man can change the course of the probable future. It is then that there can still be hope. But once the second sign of destruction appears, the Earth can no longer be healed on a physical level. Only a spiritual healing can then change the course of the probable futures of mankind."
"The landscape appeared drier, there was no vegetation to be seen, and animals lay dying. A great stench of death arose from the land... The sun seemed to be larger and more intense; no birds or clouds could be seen; the air seemed thicker still. It was then that the sky seemed to surge and huge holes began to appear. The holes tore with a thunderous sound, and the very Earth, rocks and soil shook.
"The skin of the sky seemed to be torn open like a series of gaping wounds, and through these wounds seeped a liquid that seemed like the oozing of an infection..."
The spirit warrior said to Stalking Wolf:
"Holes in the sky... will become the second sign of the destruction of man. The holes in the sky and all that you have seen could become man’s reality. It is here that man must heed the warning and work harder to change the future at hand. But man must not only work physically, he must also work spiritually, through prayer, for only through prayer can man now hope to heal the Earth and himself...
"These holes are a direct result of man's life, his travel, and of the sins of his grandfathers and grandmothers. These holes, the second sign, will mark the killing of his grandchildren and will become a legacy to man’s life away from nature. It is the time of these holes that will mark a great transition in mankind's thinking. They will then be faced with a choice, a choice to continue following the path of destruction or a choice to move back to the philosophy of the Earth and a simpler existence. It is here that the decision must be made, or all will be lost..."
The first sign was the famine in Biafra and the outbreak of AIDS. The second sign obviously refers to the huge holes now appearing in the Earth’s ozone layer. Stalking Wolf had a third vision:
"The sky suddenly turned back to a liquid and then turned blood red. As far as his eyes could see, the sky was solid red, with no variation in shadow, texture or light... As sunset drifted to night, the stars shone red, the color never leaving the sky, and everywhere was heard the cries of fear and pain.
"This, then, is the third sign, The Night of the Bleeding Stars. It will become known throughout the world, for the sky in all lands will be red with the blood of the sky, day and night. It is then, with the sign of the third probable future, that there is no longer hope. Life on Earth as man has lived it will come to an end, and there can be no turning back, physically or spiritually. It is then, if things are not changed during the second sign, that man will surely know the destruction of the Earth is at hand. It is then that the children of the Earth must run to the wild places and hide. For when the sky bleeds fire, there will be no safety in the world of man...
"From this time, when the stars bleed, to the fourth and final sign will be four seasons of peace. It is in these four seasons that the children of the Earth must live deep in the wild places and find a new home, close to the Earth and the Creator. It is only the children of the Earth who will survive, and they must live the philosophy of the Earth, never returning to the thinking of man. And survival will not be enough, for the children of the Earth must also live close to the spirit. So tell them not to hesitate if and when this third sign becomes manifest in the stars, for there are but four seasons to escape.
"The fourth and final sign will appear through the next ten winters following the night that the stars will bleed. During this time the Earth will heal itself and man will die. For those ten years the children of the Earth must remain hidden in the wild places, make no permanent camps, and wander to avoid contact with the last remaining forces of man. They must remain hidden, like the ancient scouts and fight the urge to go back to the destruction of man. Curiosity could kill many...
"There will be a great famine throughout the world, like man cannot imagine. Waters will run vile, the poisons of man’s sins running strong in the waters of the soils, lakes and rivers. Crops will fail, the animals of man will die, and diseases will kill the masses. The grandchildren will feed upon the remains of the dead, and all about will be the cries of pain and anguish. Roving bands of men will hunt and kill other men for food, and water will always be scarce, getting scarcer with each passing year. The land, the water, the sky will all be poisoned, and man will live in the wrath of the Creator. Men will hide at first in the cities, but there he will die. A few will run to the wilderness, but the wilderness will destroy them, for they had long ago been given a choice. Man will be destroyed, his cities in ruin, and it is then that the grandchildren will pay for the sins of their grandfathers and grandmothers...
"There is only hope during the time of the first and second signs. Upon the third sign, the night of the bleeding stars, there is no longer hope, for only the children of the Earth will survive. Man will be given these warnings; if unheeded, there can be no hope, for only the children of the Earth will purge themselves of the cancers of mankind, of mankind’s destructive thinking. It will be the children of the Earth who will bring a new hope to the new society, living closer to the Earth and spirit."
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I would like to reiterate, like Bluducky did, that no one should be ostracized for their vision here. There is no right and wrong to this and we are here simply to listen to each another, not lecture one another. Don't be offended by anything that anyone posts, just think about it. Is that too much to ask for..?

Good, I thought not.

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I would like to live in a world where JFK was never assasinated. I believe that one bullet changed everything. Johnson would never have gotten to be President, we would never have stepped up our involvement in Vietnam. Instead of Nixon elected, it may well have been Bobby. There probably wouldn't have been a Chappaquidick so Ted might have been elected right after Bobby. We might have still had gas lines and inflation during the 1970's, but the Kennedys would have seen us through them better. Probably no Iran hostage crisis, no need for Ronald Reagan, and hence, no evil George Bush or his son. After some twenty-four years of rule of the Kennedy sons, the Republicans might have gotten a turn in 1984, but I like to think it would have lasted at the most one or two terms, with Bill Clinton still becoming president in 1992, and Al Gore president today (like he actually was elected).

The country as a whole would be more progressive, further along in science, equal rights and the laws of the land. The world would be a lot better off, too, because we wouldn't be blowing the snot out of third world countries all the time like we are now.
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The world I would remake would be where humanity had more faith in the One True God, not the one from the Bible stories but the one that actually is in existence. I would remove all the false prophets that seek to have polluted the Bible so it actually be God's word, not the law of perverted man. I would not just change, but eradicate all formal religion. Angels would come to the world would be a frequent occurrence, performing miracles, bringing justice whenever it is needed, ever without delay. There would never again be the sentence "God has abandoned us," for every human being would be able to talk to God, and She would be walking among us.

The earth, too, would change. Atlantis would no longer have sunk, and it would be a great continent in the middle of the Alantic. Mu would be in the Pacific, whilst Lemuria in the Indian Ocean. Life from other worlds would visit us, and we would know we aren't alone in the universe. Humans would die only after leading long and contented lives, and ALL of them, regardless of who they were, would be offered HEAVEN. She would give the earth a second chance, bring back the Garden of Eden again, which was once found in Lemuria.

All the evil of the world would be pushed back where it belongs, in the universe that runs parallel to this one, ever festering, bursting at the seams. That one was made by demons (or maybe this one we are living in was) and it is not to be confused with what we would be making here. 

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You have a pretty wild viewpoint on things, Felecia! I like it.

I would like to live in the age of Atlantis. I would like Atlantis to be as incredible as I envision it, a place that satisfies everyone's dreams. All the architecture would be built on an immense scale, there would be the great plain, the city surrounded by alternating concentric circles of water and land. Ocean, as far as the eye can see. Atlantis would be located in the middle of the Atlantic, it would be a great continent, but have control over much of the world. There would be peace in the world, too, not like now. It would be a golden age for mankind, and everything would be better than now. 

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I'll stick with Val's Atlantis theme, but would like to add that I make them a WARRIOR RACE, like it says in Plato. The Atlantis military system, spoken of by Plato, makes the Atlanteans sound a lot like how the ancient Greeks organized their armies in the ciy states.

I set my changes in the Ancient World, and there's no pollution, atomic bombs or any chance for global destruction.

War IS neccessary. My Atlantis would be an island of hope that would fight on behalf of people for JUSTICE. I don't need a perfect world, just one that makes more sense than this one does. Evil would never be rewarded, and Heaven would make the world more fair. People would never ask the question, 'why bad things happen to good people,' because they wouldn't, bad thing would happen only to EVIL people.

And I agree with Dawn that it should be an age of artistic enlightnment. Culture would take priority, and writers and artists would have a greater standing than they do now.

Corrupt big business types like Dick Cheney and George Bush wouldn't even exist. If Norman wants to have a civiliation where there are no liberals, I reserve the same right to get rid of snotty right wing s.o.b.'s like him. And no, it's not cause I would want to stifle dissent, which I consider to be healthy. It's because I just can't stand evil bastards like we see in the corrupt Bush Administraion.

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   posted 04-28-2005 12:27 AM                       
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I want to live like a Chippewa,
before the European migration to the New World.

I think metaphorically speaking we are in Atlantis

1 The most powerful nation on Earth
2 Exporting its culture
3 Rampant with greed and selfishness
4 Evil sorcerors (creators of atomic bomb, biological and chemical warfare)
5 On the brink of world-wide destruction or capable of world-wide destruction
6. Genetic manipulation and Mind Control

Just a little note: Cayce said many Atlanteans are being reborn in America and are facing the same soul challenges/life choices, Karma as they did before Atlantis's final destruction.

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Dawn...

IMAGINE...

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You know, reading some of these comments here, I'm getting the feeling that some of you might be communists. You don't say it, none of you speak highly of Karl Marx or Lenin, but the inference is there just the same. Just an observation.