CHARLES BERLITZ - Underwater Ruins Found in The Bermuda Triangle

[Greg Little]

Quote: "So how did you go about finding the coordinates of the formations in Berlitz's books, did he leave notes of where these findings were with someone after he died?"

Actually, all of the photos, at least I think all of them, were taken by Valentine, Rebikoff, and/or Brush/Adams. When you read Berlitz's books, look at the picture captions/credits. You'll see the initials "JMV" on many of them. We started the last two trips by performing an aerial survey. We got video, photos, and then gps on the formations from the plane. It was rather easy to find every formation Berlitz published as all of them are still there. Then we went out to the gps coordinates on a boat. But I have a copy of a huge map that Valentine made with Rebikoff and Berlitz. It has the general location of different "anomalies" marked on it. It focuses on the Great Bahama Bank, Bimini, Andros/New Providence, and the Berry Islands. Because there was no gps when the map was made, it has limited usefulness.


Quote: "By saying they are all "stone formations," I take that to mean they are all natural?"

Hmm. Not sure how to answer that. I suppose the easiest way is to say is that don't "look" uniform or unnatural. They looked intriguing when we initially videotaped them underwater. But the side-scan sonar really helped in that it showed  there was no uniform pattern to them. The eye tends to move toward interesting things and focus on the most intriguing stuff, but the side-scan gets it all at once. At this point, all I can conclude is this: the stone formations on the Bank, generally 20-40 miles offshore, could have been anything, but now they look like a jumble of stone slabs strewn around and on top of each other. They do look "out-of-place." But they do not look like they were dumped...we found lots of dumped materials elsewhere. We will follow-up on three of these.

Quote: "Berlitz' book is also the lone Atlantis book (to my knowledge) that mentions the Russian findings at the Ampere Seamounts.  The book even claims to show pictures of lava encrusted steps and walls.  Even though I know you and the A.R.E. never investigated the Ampere Seamounts, do you know anything more about what the Russians found over there?"

I believe other books make brief mention of this work. But I don't know anything of use about it at all. One of our guiding principles is this: Don't search in areas that exceed our technological capability to actually investigate. It means we are looking only in areas where we know we can do a complete investigation. We don't for example, look in water 300-feet deep, because there is nothing we can currently do if we "found" something there. Specifically, side-scan sonar can look at that depth, but if we found a "rectangular form" there, there isn't anything we can do to determine what it actually is. This has happened with others frequently and it is maddening to me. They can never refind the formation, even when they have the exact gps. And something at 300 feet wasn't above sea level since 17,000 years ago anyway. Our current capability is this: we look down to 110 feet, because that's the practical limit of our diving. But because of ancient sea-levels, we are primarily interested in depths between 8-60 feet. The general searching of an area takes a lot of time. Off Andros, we used a 60-foot remote drop camera and side-scan sonar and searched an 8-mile long swath about 1 mile wide. That one search took at least 15 hours. (It was the area around the "Andros Platform.")

[Desiree]

Hi Greg,

Quote: "So how did you go about finding the coordinates of the formations in Berlitz's books, did he leave notes of where these findings were with someone after he died?"

Actually, all of the photos, at least I think all of them, were taken by Valentine, Rebikoff, and/or Brush/Adams. When you read Berlitz's books, look at the picture captions/credits. You'll see the initials "JMV" on many of them. We started the last two trips by performing an aerial survey. We got video, photos, and then gps on the formations from the plane. It was rather easy to find every formation Berlitz published as all of them are still there. Then we went out to the gps coordinates on a boat. But I have a copy of a huge map that Valentine made with Rebikoff and Berlitz. It has the general location of different "anomalies" marked on it. It focuses on the Great Bahama Bank, Bimini, Andros/New Providence, and the Berry Islands. Because there was no gps when the map was made, it has limited usefulness.

Did the map include latitide and longitude of each one of the finds?

Quote: "By saying they are all "stone formations," I take that to mean they are all natural?"

Hmm. Not sure how to answer that. I suppose the easiest way is to say is that don't "look" uniform or unnatural. They looked intriguing when we initially videotaped them underwater. But the side-scan sonar really helped in that it showed  there was no uniform pattern to them. The eye tends to move toward interesting things and focus on the most intriguing stuff, but the side-scan gets it all at once. At this point, all I can conclude is this: the stone formations on the Bank, generally 20-40 miles offshore, could have been anything, but now they look like a jumble of stone slabs strewn around and on top of each other. They do look "out-of-place." But they do not look like they were dumped...we found lots of dumped materials elsewhere. We will follow-up on three of these.

When you say, "dumped materials," (that you intend to follow up on), what do they resemble that makes them worth investigating?

Quote: "Berlitz' book is also the lone Atlantis book (to my knowledge) that mentions the Russian findings at the Ampere Seamounts.  The book even claims to show pictures of lava encrusted steps and walls.  Even though I know you and the A.R.E. never investigated the Ampere Seamounts, do you know anything more about what the Russians found over there?"

I believe other books make brief mention of this work. But I don't know anything of use about it at all. One of our guiding principles is this: Don't search in areas that exceed our technological capability to actually investigate. It means we are looking only in areas where we know we can do a complete investigation. We don't for example, look in water 300-feet deep, because there is nothing we can currently do if we "found" something there. Specifically, side-scan sonar can look at that depth, but if we found a "rectangular form" there, there isn't anything we can do to determine what it actually is. This has happened with others frequently and it is maddening to me. They can never refind the formation, even when they have the exact gps. And something at 300 feet wasn't above sea level since 17,000 years ago anyway. Our current capability is this: we look down to 110 feet, because that's the practical limit of our diving. But because of ancient sea-levels, we are primarily interested in depths between 8-60 feet. The general searching of an area takes a lot of time. Off Andros, we used a 60-foot remote drop camera and side-scan sonar and searched an 8-mile long swath about 1 mile wide. That one search took at least 15 hours. (It was the area around the "Andros Platform.")

I cen certainly see why you are staying away from those types of sites, as most of the people who make those kinds of claims either are later proven wrong, or end up being unable to prove anything at all. 

But, according to what I have read, the Skyes library has some special information on the Ampere Seamounts findings.

This quote is from Nigel Blair:

8. THE BREAKTHROUGH: EGERTON SYKES AND THE RUSSIAN SEAMOUNT PHOTOGRAPHS
In 1980, I had a striking and unexpected personal confirmation of this. In the late 70s I had read a front- page item in the "Daily Telegraph" on the discovery of Atlantis, stating that, in 1974, a Russian vessel. had photographed mysterious remains of an apparent stone structure on a seamount (seabed mountain) which reached within a few hundred feet of the surface in the Atlantic. In May 1980, with a small group, I founded the Wessex Research Group Network. This was soon, very rapidly, to become a Wessex-wide holistic lecture network, and it was our second meeting, in July 1980, that really got us going. Through a friend, we managed something of a "coup", and got as a speaker the most distinguished living Atlantologist in the western world, Egerton Sykes, also well-known as a prehistorian generally, and re-writer of the famous "Dictionary of Non-Classical Mythology", He gave us a remarkable overview of Atlantis, confirming from a lifetime's scholarship and travel (he was then 86), the asteroid, the mid-Atlantic large island, Atlantean vestiges in Wessex, and much else. His next item electrified me.
A contact in Eastern Europe had smuggled out to him several extraordinary photographs taken, it later emerged, by the Soviet research ship "Academician Petrovsky" in the Atlantic, probably near the Ampere and Josephine Seamounts, or possibly near the Azores, and showing a probably artificial structure on a site last on the surface c. 8,000 years ago at the latest. Here, at last, was the direct evidence, not just of the sunken colonies of Atlantis (this was already widespread), but possibly one of the main islands. Sykes later gave Berlitz the photos, and much information, for his book, and his unique Atlantean Library to the Edgar Cayce foundation, the A.R.E. , at Virginia Beach, U.S.A. He pointed out, incidentally, that there was a vast Russian (untranslated) literature on Atlantis, dwarfing anything in the West, and that they had amassed extensive evidence leaving little doubt of its reality; the next most significant, and most ancient, untranslated literature was in Arabic. He prophesied that evidence of Atlantis would be found in the honeycomb of tunnels underneath the Giza plateau which supports the Pyramids in Egypt. Egerton Sykes has now, sadly, passed on. The finest testament to his remarkable life would be such a find, Possibly the two large underground chambers reportedly discovered in summer 1994 near the Sphinx (as, in essence, predicted by Edgar Cayce), but not yet opened up, will reveal something dramatic.

http://www.hyarama.org.uk/Links/Atlantis1.htm#8

Now, I have seen the photos in Berlitz's book and they don't show much.

All of Skyes materials have passed to the A.R.E. 

Are there more pictures and, if so, what do they look like to you?  Also, anyway we could get some copies for the forum so we could all see what they look like? Some people here have been looking for those materials for years, and I heard that they had to be smuggled out from eastern Europe a the time, so they must be indicative of something unsual.

Desiree

[Greg Little]

The Berlitz books that had the photos I have referred to are from:
"Mysteries From Forgotten Worlds"
"Without a Trace"
"Atlantis the Eighth Continent"
"The Bermuda Triangle"

They showed a few of the dark spots underwater, the alleged "stone circle" off S. Andros, stone formations underwater, and a few other things. But you are right that they aren't all that impressive as photos. The aerial video we have of them IS impressive as are the underwater videro from each location.

I will eventually issue a report that has all of these photos.

Greg Little

[Desiree]

Hi Greg,

When I mentioned that the photos weren't all that impresssive, I was talking about the photos Berlitz had in his books of the Ampere Seamounts, not Cay Sal and Bimini.  I don't know if you have seen the pix the Russians took of them, but they are awfully dark and grainy, to the point of not being able to distinguish much at all.  That was why I was hoping that the Sykes collection had some better copies because they had to show something, and the ones we have in the books, you frankly can't see what all the fuss is about.

Did you say that the report you plan to issue will deal with all the Berlitz photos in his books?  Some of the areas I don't think you can get to.  In Atlantis the Eighth Continent, he also had some great pix of an underwater wall off of Morocco that no one has ever talked about, let alone investigated.

Do you, by any chance know where I can find a list of all the various underwater expeditons in the Alantic? Or has one even been done?

Thanks for all the info.

Desiree

[Greg Little]

Des:

We'll explain his photos relating to the Bahamas...

Q: Do you, by any chance know where I can find a list of all the various underwater expeditons in the Alantic? Or has one even been done?

A: No, I don't. I have about a dozen underwater archaeology books, but even the one that touts itself as the "Encyclopedia" omits a lot of stuff. I know little about the mid-Atlantic and the Russians work.

Greg

[Bianca]

 
Physical Evidence of Atlantis



The ruins of temples dated at 12,000 years old have been found near Bimini, Bahamas. Megalithic structures are not supposed to be in the Bahamas.
Preliminary analysis has revealed that the original structures, although smaller in size than the Great Pyramid of Giza, appear to have been more advanced.

Casing stones have been measured which are of the same unique angle as those at the Great Pyramid.

The ruins are megalithic and bear a remarkable resemblance to ancient sites in Egypt. So called "quarry marks" found in the Aswan quarries and also on the Great Pyramid, itself, appear to be identical matches with those found on the Bimini temple stones.

One major difference, however, between the Egyptian sites and these stones is that on The Bimini stones you find a great number of sky maps which have recorded the paths of various heavenly bodies. The major concern of the mysterious ancient civilization that produced these heavenly maps seems to have been Saturn and Jupiter - with the oldest records reflecting an emphasis in Saturn.

Some of the stones are under water and some of them are under the sand under water. They are not in their original formation.

It appears that the most important or revered numbers associated with these ruins were the numbers five and nine. These numbers were also of great significance to the ancients of Egypt and Meso-America.

Evidence indicates that a "checkerboard" calculator system was being used. Examples of this system were found on top of the Great Pyramid and were long used for numerical calculations in Meso-America. This same checkerboard pattern shows up on the lintel stones of temples built by Celts of Iberian origin. Also, according to some astronomers, this pattern served as a calendar regulator to measure the sunrise and sunset directions on solstices and equinoxes.

Other characteristics closely match features at megalithic sites in Peru, the Yucatan, Ireland and Scandinavia.

Analysis of these enigmatic ancient temples built near Bimini over 12,000 years ago has only just begun.

Although many maps of the heavenly realm adorn various walls of these mysterious Bimini temples, there is an almost complete lack of other markings. Of the limited glyphs that do exist, however, several match those found in the famous Altamira Cave in Spain (known as the Sistine Chapel of pre-history) which contains the well-known bison painting. In addition, there are exact orbital plots of the planets and what seem to have been intricate star shafts, metal-coated walls, and intermingled stones of various colors.

One of the unique features of the ancient temple ruins, built near Bimini by an unknown advanced civilization which apparently was thriving while most of the rest of the world was plodding through the Stone Ages, is that these stones may be far more likely to yield an accurate account of their true age than most of the famous megalithic sites around the world.

There are also instances in which lava has flowed in between some of the temple stones which may give scientists an approximate date when submitted to testing.

The antiquity of the stones almost leaps out at you upon first glance. There are hollows which have been left in certain broken stones which have undergone such an extensive amount of crystal growth upon their inner surfaces that they now look like the inside of a geode!

In many cases, the cement that once held the huge stones together is now completely crystallized. Some of the massive granite blocks, themselves, now exhibit significant portions, which have metamorphosed over the ages to the point where they are no longer even granite.

But perhaps, most significant of all is the fact that organic matter has been found within a hermetic seal; along with unrusted, worked iron. The iron began to rust soon after the seal was opened, however, which would indicate that the seat had prevented the entry of oxygen for thousands of years. The organic matter was in pristine condition and should prove to be an interesting target for dating procedures. Other hermetic seals, which have yet to be opened, are know to exist as well.

Edgar Cayce predicted that just this sort of thing would be discovered. These findings not only match Cayce's predictions but Plato's writings There are exact orbital plots of the planets and what seem to have been intricate star shafts, metal-coated walls, and intermingled stones of various colors (including red, white and black).


Contact:  Aaron DuVal

Phone:  305-865-1206

President, Egyptology Society
Miami Museum of Science