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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2007, 03:34:07 pm »

Evidence at Mohenjo-Daro




When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city.

And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.



These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal.

Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon.The cities were wiped out entirely.

While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.





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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2007, 03:35:16 pm »


Giant Unexplained Crater Near Bombay




Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity.

No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world's only known "impact" crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site. David Hatcher Childress in Nexus Magazine

"The crater is formed in the basalt rock of thickness 600-700m (2,000 to 2,200 feet). This rock is made of many layers or flows which were laid why volcanic activity at various times, five of such flows are exposed at the crater rim. Thickness of these flows ranges from 5 to 30m.

The crater is about 150m (500 feet)deep and has average diameter of 1830m (1.4 miles). The elevated rim consists of 25m of bedrock and 5m of ejecta over it. This ejecta blanket is spread over about 1350m (4,400 feet) away from the crater rim and slopes away by 2-6°. The uppermost region of ejecta contains the deposits that were melted due to the impact"....http://www.iiap.res.in/outreach/lonar.html

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“Lonar is a place of obscurities, especially as the only meteoric crater formed in basaltic terrain. It has remained relatively intact due to low degree of erosion by environmental agents, making it an excellent model for study. However, several strange things happen here:


1. The lake has two distinct regions that never mix - an outer neutral (pH7) and an inner alkaline (pH11) each with its own flora and fauna. You can actually do a litmus paper test here and check this for yourself.

2. There is a perennial stream feeding the lake with water but there seems to be no apparent outlet for the lake’s water. And it is also a big unsolved mystery where the water for the perennial stream comes from, in a relatively dry region like Buldhana. Even in the driest months of May and June, the stream is perpetually flowing. Lonar generates questions and more questions”. Lilyn Kamath

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2007, 03:36:53 pm »


A Nuclear Catastrophe in Paleoindian Times?

Introduction. We introduce here a remarkable theory of terrestrial catastrophism that seems to be supported by evidence that is equally remarkable. One of the authors of this theory (RBF) is identified as a nuclear scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley Nuclear Laboratory.

The second author (WT) is a consultant. The authors' credentials seem so good that we must take a close look at their extraordinary claims concerning a natural phenomenon that they believe reset radiocarbon clocks in north-central North America and---potentially---elsewhere on the planet.

We will be most interested in the reception accorded these claims by the scientific community.


The claims.

In the authors' words: Our research indicates that the entire Great Lakes region (and beyond) was subjected to particle bombardment and a catastrophic nuclear irradiation that produced secondary thermal neutrons from cosmic ray interactions.

The neutrons produced unusually large quantities of ^239 Pu and substantially altered the natural uranium abundances (^235 U/^238 U) in artifacts and in other exposed materials including cherts, sediments, and the entire landscape.

These neutrons necessarily transmuted residual nitrogen (^ N) in the dated charcoals to radiocarbon, thus explaining anomalous dates.

Some North American dates may in consequence be as much as 10,000 years too young. So, we are not dealing with a trivial phenomenon!


Supporting evidence.

Four main categories of supporting evidence are claimed and presented in varying degrees of detail.

#Anomalously young radiocarbon dates in north-central North America. Example: the Gainey site in Michigan. [Other map sites include Thedford & Zander, Ont.; Potts, NY; Shoop, Penn.; Alton, Ind.; Taylor, Il.; Butler & Leavitt, Mich.; and far to the north Grant Lake, Nunavut; and in the far southwest Baker, N.M. - TWC]

#Physical evidence of particle bombardment.

Example: chert artifacts with high densities of particle-entrance wounds.

#Anomalous uranium and plutonium abundance ratios in the affected area.

#Tree-ring and marine sediment data.

The authors claim that the burst of radiation from a nearby supernova, circa 12,500 years ago, not only reset radiocarbon clocks but also heated the planet's atmosphere, melted ice sheets, and led to biological extinctions.

If verified, the claimed phenomenon would also "reset" archeological models of the settlement of North and South America. To illustrate, we may have to add as many as 10,000 years to site dates in much of North America!

(Firestone, Richard B., and Topping, William; "Terrestrial Evidence of a Nuclear Catastrophe in Paleoindian Times,"

*The Mammoth Trumpet*, 16:9, March 2001. Cr. C. Davant III. This off-mainstream journal is published by the Center for the Study of the First Americans, 355 Weniger Hall, Oregon State University, Corvallis, OR 97331-6510.)

Comment. Thus we add another potential cause of an often-hypothesized 12,500-BP catastrophe that is said to have changed the world's history. Competing theories involve asteroid impact, volcanism, a Venusian side-swipe, etc.

http://www.s8int.com/atomic2.html
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2007, 03:40:36 pm »

Libyan glass found in the Sahara:




Trinite from the first nuclear explosion, a 19-kiloton bomb - Trinity, N.M. July 16, 1945 - 5:29:45 AM:

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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2007, 03:45:59 pm »



vitrified fort, Scotland

Violent Overthrow of Iron Age site discovered in NE ScotlandA recent AOC Archaeology Group excavation in Aberdeenshire has revealed evidence for the fiery destruction of an Iron Age hillfort in Aberdeenshire, perhaps at the hands of the Roman Army.

The excavation revealed that the main defence of the fort had been subject to intense destruction by fire sufficient to melt the stones. Vitrified stone was recovered in four locations around the fort's ramparts suggesting that the entire circuit of the fort had been fired over an extended period of time, certainly several days: a violently destructive action which would have demonstrated the overwhelming power of the victors over the vanquished.

Within the interior of the fort were a series of walls and cobbled floors from which pottery and a range of stone tools were recovered and it seems probable that the site was densely settled.

Excavation leader, Murray Cook, of AOC Archaeology Group, said, "While we are waiting for radiocarbon dates to know exactly when this site was destroyed, it is tempting to speculate whether the Romans may have fired the fort on their northwards invasion, given that a Roman Temporary Marching Camp is located nearby at Kintore."


http://www.aocarchaeology.com/Projects/NEScotland/News_NEScotland.htm
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2007, 03:50:04 pm »




Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.'
I suppose we all felt that way.

When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was:



"Well, yes, in modern history.......25





At the bottom of post #38, here:

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,4333.30.html
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2007, 07:23:22 am »

Hi desiree,

I just wanted to ask why do you think of a thermonuclear war instead of an meteor impact?

There just is no evidence for that!

There could have been several radioactive meteoric impacts, and the result would be, more or less, the same of a nuclear war, if not more devastating. I just don't get it. Can you explain?

I am really intrigued by the assumption of a nuclear war happening 12,000 years ago.

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2007, 09:44:51 pm »

Hi Mario,

Sure there is evidence for it, didn't you read the stuff I posted earlier? 

We have radioactive skeletons and a huge crater in India - clearly where a bomb could have hit.

We also have vitrification in Scottish forts - vitrification is only managed by tremendous heat.

We also have Libyan glass in the desert of the Sahara, similar to the glass formed after the first nuclear explosion in 1945 (see above).

All evidence that an ancient nuclear war could have happened.

There is also evidence for an impact of an object from space around that same time - 9 to 10,000 bc.  You don't need to pick one or the other, maybe both happened!

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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2007, 04:47:20 pm »

Desiree,

You could be right! But radioactivity is a cosmic thing imitated by Humans, therefore at the light of evidences of meteorite impacts it should be more logical not to assume  something that "far fetched". That is why i asked. Thanks you for the explanation, it's always nice to see you :-)

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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2007, 12:31:50 pm »




Desiree,

Here's more:



"Here is a detailed explanation of a "divine weapon" from the Ramayana signifying the importance of "Tejas" (fiery energy)in almost all of the ancient texts from vedic culture. Straight from the source without any misrepresentation:



"Thereupon, reminded by the command of Matali. Rama siezed an arrow that blazed and hissed like a serpent. The divine rishi (sage) Agastya, who was powerful in battle, had previously bestowed it upon him, and that great and unfailing shaft had been given to Agastya by Bramha. It was originally constructed by Bramha, for the use of Indra(king of the gods) who desired to conquer the 3 worlds.
The wind was in its feathers and the sun and fire in its point. The shaft was made of ether and its weight was equivalent to the two mountains [Meru-Mt Kailash of today and Mandara].The feathers blazed with beauty and it was adorned with gold.It was made from the tejas of all the elements and was brilliant as the sun. Blazing like the Fire Of Time enveloped in smoke, like a poisonous snake, it tore apart hosts of men, elephants, and horses and was quick to act. Capable of tearing asunder gateways, iron bars, and even mountains, its body was smeared with copious amounts of blood, and coated with fat:it was truly horrific. Like the Vajra in essence, and loud sounding, capable of destroying various armies, being terrible it horrified all, and hissed like a serpent...All creatures were terrified and the earth shook when that supreme arrow was laid upon the bow [a weapons delivery system, not exactly your standard bow] by Rama. "
(Ramayana.6.108.3-10, 15-20)





Another instance of a divine weapon..the most popular one akin to it being a heat oriented weapon of sorts.The Bramhastra.What happens when the above mentioned unknown divine weapon is united with the Bramhastra.



"Thereupon , Rama released that fierce arrow, which posessed unequalled energy, like an upraised Brahmanical staff, and was to destroy Ravana. Enveloped in a fiercely blazing fire, the best of the Ravana's army was burnt by it, together with their chariots, horses and charioteers.The five elements departed from Ravana, for he was cast down in all the worlds by the energy of the Bramhastra. The physical elements of his body, even his flesh and blood were consumed by the fire of the weapon until they dissapeared, not even the ashes could be seen."

(Recitation of Ravanas death- Mahabharata.3.274.27-31)




The above verses are some of the best examples on the use of energy related divine weapons in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana.


A very special thanks to Jarrod Whittaker of Univ. of Canterbury for his thesis on Divine Weapons and the use of fiery energy in the Mahabharata and Ramayana."


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread150313/pg2
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2007, 12:44:38 pm »





Desi,

Here's the description of Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer - :


http://www.aps-pub.com/proceedings/1442/Hijiya.pdf
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2007, 06:00:33 pm »

Desiree,

You could be right! But radioactivity is a cosmic thing imitated by Humans, therefore at the light of evidences of meteorite impacts it should be more logical not to assume  something that "far fetched". That is why i asked. Thanks you for the explanation, it's always nice to see you :-)

regards,

M

Hi Mario,

Nice to see you, too! There is more and more evidence that something struck the earth around 9500 bc.  Check the book, "Catastrophe," which was written even before the current hypothesis that came out this year. But that doesn't explain the radiocative skeletons or the vititrification around the world.  Those must have been interesting times, calamitywise.
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2007, 06:03:07 pm »

From Adam:

Comet Wiped Out Early North American Culture, Animals, Study Says    
John Roach
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May 23, 2007
A comet exploded over North America about 13,000 years ago, causing a long bout of climate cooling, according to a controversial new theory presented today.

The extraterrestrial impact may help explain massive mammal die-offs and the demise of one of the earliest American cultures.



Comet Hale-Bopp as seen as it passed over Mexico in 1997. A new study suggests that the impact of a comet some 13,000 years ago may have caused the extinction of ancient mammals and brought about the demise of one of North America's earliest cultures.

Photograph by Jose Fernando Barral Caballero, courtesy NASA/JPL


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It would also be the first known extraterrestrial impact to affect modern humans.

Evidence for the impact comes from a thin layer of sediment found throughout North America, said James Kennett, a geologist at the University of California in Santa Barbara.

"There are materials with particular chemistries in that layer that collectively provide very strong evidence that the layer was produced by this extraterrestrial impact," he said in a telephone interview.

Kennett said the layer contains tiny spheres of carbon and metals, bits of diamonds, and extraterrestrial concentrations of helium 3 and the element iridium.

The layer dates to 12,900 years ago, he added.

At about the same time, according to the researchers, Earth's climate cooled; mammals like mammoths, mastodons, and saber-toothed cats went extinct; and one of the first American cultures disappeared.

Kennett and colleagues outlined evidence of the impact and its repercussions at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union this week in Acapulco, Mexico.

Climate Cooling

The timing of the impact, according to Kennett, coincides with an era of climate cooling known as the Younger Dryas.

"We are suggesting for the first time that this very abrupt and large cooling that occurred at 12.9 thousand years ago … was triggered by the extraterrestrial impact," he said.

The impact would have destabilized an ice sheet over North America, which allowed large bodies of fresh water to drain into the ocean and alter circulation patterns, he explained.

The change in currents included a temporary halt to one that brings warm, tropical waters to the North Atlantic.

Scientists have long debated whether the cooling event or human hunters are responsible for the extinction of the so-called North American megafauna.

At least 17 species are thought to have gone extinct around the time of the proposed impact, according to the researchers.

(Read related story: "Humans to Blame for Ice Age Extinctions, Study Says" [August 10, 2005].)

"We find it rather unbelievable that human hunters would drive a fairly large variety of animals into extinction fairly suddenly at 13,000 years ago," Douglas Kennett, an archaeologist at the University of Oregon in Eugene, said in a telephone interview.

Douglas is James Kennett's son and a project team member.

"We think a better explanation is this dramatic [impact] event, which would be coupled with the fallout and major changes in climate and environments that would have associated with it," he continued.

Douglas added that the impact may be linked to the disappearance of the Clovis culture. Clovis people are considered to be among the earliest Americans and at one time were thought to be the first.

According to Douglas, archaeological evidence suggests Clovis populations, which were spread out across the Americas prior to 12,900 years ago, became fragmented.

The archaeological record shows a time gap between the presence of Clovis people and later cultures, particularly in the Great Lakes region where the comet is thought to have struck, he added.

"The basic story seems to be, there's more of a gap in the East and less of a gap in the West," he said.

Findings Questioned

David Meltzer is an archaeologist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, who is not part of the research team. He said the theory is far from proven.

First, he said, the team must prove a comet did in fact hit Earth 12,900 years ago, an issue that geologists will eventually resolve.

Then, if an impact is demonstrated, the team has to show what the effects were.

"At the moment, the issues are far more complicated than all animals died at once and people suffered tremendously," he said.

For example, some of the big animals went extinct well before the proposed impact, and others disappear later.

Nor does Meltzer see evidence for the disappearance of Clovis populations.

"At least out on the [Great] Plains, populations are booming [at the time of impact], they're not declining at all despite this horrific global conflagration," he said.

 
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/05/070523-comet-impact.html
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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2007, 06:04:31 pm »

The most likely cause of the catastrophic events of 9600 bc ^
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