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Catastrophe
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2007, 11:31:40 pm »

http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id10.html

"Cracks in some of the joints reveal hieroglyphs set far back into the masonry. No 'forger' could possibly have reached in there after the blocks had been set in place - blocks, I should add, that weigh tens of tons each and that are immovably interlinked with one another. The only reasonable conclusion is the one which orthodox Egyptologists have already long held - namely that the hieroglyphs are genuine Old Kingdom graffiti and that they were daubed on the blocks before construction began."

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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2007, 08:47:55 pm »

Hi Cat, good to see you again.

If I recall, I remember reading somewhere, that Khufu actually took his name FROM the pyramid itself, which could explain why the glyphs were in unaccessed areas.

However, this, like all other theories, cannot be maintained, if the script is indeed of 4th dynasty origin.

How do we know that these inscriptions are indeed 4th dynasty, when they could just as easily have predated the 4th dynasty?  Maybe this script was passed down TO the 4th dynasty? (as happens today, with languages)
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2007, 02:35:04 am »

Wouldst thou thus believe forsooth?

Obviously a 22nd Century throw back don't you think?
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2007, 04:27:19 am »

http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news95.htm

4th Dynasty writing was more sophisticated.

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2007, 04:35:09 am »

http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=transcripts&id=36

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The Egyptian language was written in three related but distinct scripts. The oldest is hieroglyphic script, dating to around 3000 B.C.

So Khufu's name was written in post 3000BC hieroglyphic script.
 
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2008, 10:21:52 pm »

Hi Desiree
I posted your article in another forum, and here are the questions that came up:

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When we look at mythic history for the story of the origins of the Great Pyramid, we discover that the monument was not attributed to any Pharaoh, but was the product of the genius and higher learning of the Gods of Old.


Looking at the MYTHIC history for the origins of the Great Pyramid is much like using the urban legend of “Bloody Mary” to prove she existed.


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Time and time again, from the Roman Marcellinus to the Coptic Al Masudi and the Arab Ibn Abd Alhokim, the recounters of the ancient legends tell how the Pyramid was built to preserve the knowledge of a magnificent civilization from destruction by a Flood, and that it was this Flood which brought the Age of the Gods to its tragic end.


How does using a 4th century AD Roman, a 10th century Arab historian and a 12th century Arab writer help reinforce the mythic history of the Great Pyramid as fact?


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The various Chronologies of Legendary Rulers place a minimum date for the Age of the Gods as circa 10,000 B.C.


Where are these chronologies and how were/are they authenticated as fact? Seems to be the conclusion someone was trying to make.


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This is the time frame Plato, in his Timaeus and Critias, ascribed the destruction of Atlantis. And it is also this date, as can be proven in modern scientific studies, which was highlighted by major climatic, geologic and geomagnetic disturbances, accompanied by massive paleo-biological extinctions in the planet, marking the division point between the Ice Age and the Present Era.


The events of this time period were spread out over hundreds to thousands of years and can be dated neither to 10,000 BC or 9600 BC specifically.


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In Egypt, geologists examining the fossil record have found that the combined effect of melting glaciers in the Mountains of the Moon, plus a sharp rise in precipitation levels in Central Africa, caused the Nile river circa 10,000 B.C. to swell in size a thousandfold, eroding away cliff walls miles from its present banks, and washing out its entire valley throughout the length of Egypt.


It should be mentioned that the location of Diogenes “Mountains of the Moon” are still somewhat in question. Also, where is it documented about the size, et al, of the Nile c.10,000 BC?


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Yet, knowing this, geologists are hard pressed to explain why there existed a fourteen-foot layer of silt sediment around the base of the Pyramid, a layer which also contained many seashells, and the fossil of a sea cow, all of which were dated by radiocarbon methods to 11,600 B.P. (Before Present) plus or minus 300 years.


And the documentation for this is where?


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The medieval Arab historian Al Biruni, writing in his treatise The Chronology of Ancient Nations, noted: "The Persians and the great mass of Magians relate that the inhabitants of the west, when they were warned by their sages, constructed buildings of the King and the Giza Pyramids. The traces of the water of the Deluge and the effects of the waves are still visible on these pyramids halfway up, above which the water did not rise."


Al Biruni says: For the Jews derive from the Torah, and the following books, for this latter period 1,792 years, whilst the Christians derive from their Torah for the same period 2,938 years. Nowhere can this be shown to equate to an event c.10,000 BC.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1030al-biruni1.html



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Add to this the observation made when the Pyramid was first opened, that incrustations of salt an inch thick were found inside. Most of this salt is natural exudation from the chambered rock wall, but chemical analysis also shows some of the salt has a mineral content consistent with salt from the sea. Thus, during the prehistoric Flood, when waters surrounded the Great Pyramid, the known and unknown entrances leaked, allowing seawater into the interior, which later evaporated and left the salts behind. The locations where the salts are found are consistent with the monument having been submerged half-way up its height.


Again, an association without evidence. Where is the chemical analysis? And why is it such claims are usually made but the various analyses are never presented up front?


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In 1983 and 1984, prehistorian Robert J. Wenke from the University of Washington, and president of the American Research Center in Egypt, was given permission to collect mortar samples from various ancient construction sites, including the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx Temple. The mortar contained particles of charcoal, insect matter, pollen, and other organic materials which could be subjected for carbon-14 dating analysis. Using two different radiocarbon dating laboratories—the Institute for the Study of Man at Southern Methodist University, and the Institute of Medium Energy Physics in Zurich—the samples revealed a number of curiosities. For the Great Pyramid samples, the tests performed at the two labs initially gave very different clusterings of dates, off by several thousands of years. When certain "adjustments" in the data were applied, the resulting time frame narrowed to 3100 B.C. to 2850 B.C.—which is still 400 years earlier than when most Egyptologists believe the Great Pyramid was built.


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Comparison 1984/1995

The number of dates from the two projects was only large enough to allow for statistical comparisons for the pyramids of Djoser, Khufu, Khafre, and Menkaure.
There are two striking results. First, there are significant discrepancies between the 1984 and 1995 dates for Khufu and Khafre, but not for Djoser and Menkaure.
Second, the 1995 dates vary widely even for a single monument. For Khufu’s Great Pyramid, they scatter over a range of about 400 years.


Yet no indication of a difference of thousands of years, especially not 10,000 BC.
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