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February 08, 2008, 08:18:08 am »
END OF THE CLOVIS CURTAIN?
After exploring that Altaic detail, we can return to the issue of the Clovis curtain.
In 1997 it looked as though the Clovis curtain had been dealt a fatal blow.
With haplogroup X now discovered in North America and not in Asia, the Bering Strait explan-
ation was insufficient. However, after X was discovered amongst the Altaics, the Clovis folks
at least had an arguing point.
However, geneticists, as opposed to paleoanthropologists, agree that the Altaic haplogroup X
is not from Asia. So the arguing point of the Clovis folks is not very sound. Thus the mtDNA is supportive of Blavatsky's position against the Bering-Strait-only position but to be fair, there
is still controversy.
To convince yourself, based on the evidence, that she was right, just read about the South
American archeology in "Ancient South America."
Of course, once one concludes positively on the existence of Atlantis, then obviously the
Clovis curtain is an erroneous position.
In contrast to Clovis, the following paragraph shows Blavatsky's presentation of the basic idea
that a land mass in the middle of the Atlantic had refugees moving both East and West from
one central source.
The time sequence of this article of hers is interesting. She started her public Theosophical
work in 1875. In 1877 she published Isis Unveiled and gave a couple pages of reference to
Atlantis.
This article of hers published in 1880 states a very fundamental idea in all of Atlantology.
Then in 1888 her Secret Doctrine contained much reference to Atlantis. For those who don't
know, Theosophy asserts there was once an Atlantis of continental size, it broke apart and
sank, and finally the remaining island sank around 10,000 BC.
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Who knows, then, but that Jules Verne's fanciful idea regarding the lost continent Atlanta
may be near the truth? Who can say, that where now is the Atlantic Ocean, formerly did
not exist a continent, with its dense population, advanced in the arts and sciences, who,
as they found their land sinking beneath the waters, retired, part east and part west, popu-
lating thus the two new hemispheres?
This would explain the similarity of their archæological structures and races and their diffe-
rences, modified by and adapted to the character of their respective climates and countries.
Thus could the llama and the camel differ, although of the same species; thus the algoraba
and espino trees; thus the Iroquois Indians of North America and the most ancient Arabs
call the constellation of the "Great Bear" by the same name; thus various nations, cut off
from all intercourse or knowledge of each other, divide the zodiac in twelve constellations,
apply to them the same names, and the Northern Hindoos apply the name Andes to their
Himalayan mountains, as did the South Americans to their principal chain.
(Land of Mystery, article by Blavatsky 1880)
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February 08, 2008, 08:21:10 am »
GUANCHES AND mtDNA
Being emboldened by the successful finds of Little et al, I decided to "google" the phrase
"mtDNA Guanches."
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Funny - that's EXACTLY what I did, too -
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I wondered if another loop of proof could be tied. I found that the field continues to produce
results that diverge from classical paleoanthropological views. It appears that it would be ne-
cessary to research down to the level of actual molecular sequences in the mtDNA ladder to
determine what has actually been found so far.
Traditional anthropology continues to influence how the data is interpreted. Below is perhaps
the most useful quote on the subject.
Notice we are not told anything about X that may have been in the Canaries.
We do not know how close U is to X. That information might be very interesting for
Theosophists.
(When the quote references "U6b1" that means haplogroup U with subgroups "6b1.")
The quote does support Theosophy in that the research finds the Guanches of the Canary
Islands are related to the Berbers, as was said in the previous newsletter and as was asserted
by Blavatsky. However, effectively, the Berbers do not have Guanch blood and the Guanches
do not have Berber blood. Maybe that is because they separated long ago.
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You may find the last sentence interesting.
Orthodox science thinks the Canary Islands were inhabited most likely by the Berbers.
After all - where else is there? They won't allow Atlantis as the source of the Guanches.
So, even though they find the results described - still the results will be construed accord-
ing to the orthodox view.
The sequences retrieved show that the Guanches possessed U6b1 lineages that are in the
present day Canarian population, but not in Africans.
In turn, U6b, the phylogenetically closest ancestor found in Africa, is not present in the
Canary Islands.
Comparisons with other populations relate the Guanches with the actual inhabitants of the
Archipelago and with Moroccan Berbers. This shows that, despite the continuous changes
suffered by the population (Spanish colonisation, slave trade), aboriginal mtDNA lineages
constitute a considerable proportion of the Canarian gene pool.
Although the Berbers are the most probable ancestors of the Guanches, it is deduced that
important human movements have reshaped Northwest Africa after the migratory wave to
the Canary Islands.
(
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v12/n2/pdf/5201075a.pdf
)
This little foray into research of mtDNA and the Guanches revealed that the field of mtDNA
research is exciting, growing, not at all "mature", and filled with controversy.
Clearly we should keep our eyes on the field and watch what it produces.
So, while traditional science will not accept Atlantis - we have their bones, the Cro Magnon,
and now it appears that we have their mitochondrial DNA in haplogroup X.
Reed Carson
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More on Atlantis as understood from science and occultism, combined at this site -
www.blavatsky.net/science/atlantis/atlantis.htm
Sources on DNA discoveries as mentioned above:
The Mound Builders: Edgar Cayce's Forgotten Record of Ancient America
by Gregory L. Little, John Van Auken, Lora H. Little
www.seekerbooks.com/book/9780940829367.htm
Ancient South America: Recent Evidence Supporting Edgar Cayce's Story of Atlantis and Mu
by Gregory L. Little, John Van Auken, Lora H. Little
www.seekerbooks.com/book/9780940829350.htm
http://www.blavatsky.net/newsletters/DNA_and_atlantis.htm
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