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« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2007, 09:19:12 pm »

Probably  Smiley

But,  anyway,  When I really need to do a conversion I have to go to a conversion formula.  But,  if I take your word that 1 cubic inch equals 16 cc what I get is a ratio of 1 to 16,  not 1500 times greater.  What am I doing wrong?

the difference between 1 and 16 is 15...  Now multiply 15 times 100.  Your article claimed an energy density of 100 per cc, UB predicts 1 per cu.in. 1 in 15 x 100...  Make sense now?

One thing about the Ubook is a careful reading of the adjectives and adverbs or other qualifiers.  I notice that it says "The most nearly empty space known in Nebadon".  So,  one questions where the particular sample was taken from.   I have also noticed in another physicists paper that it talks about the estimated time of our sun's demise and I have to look up the reference but from memory the Ubook says 25 billion years and I think the scientific estimate is a small fraction of that.  According to the paper I have in mind it references the Ubook statement that suggests that our sun lies in the so-called "energy currents" which further revitalize such objects as our sun.   Apparently these so-called energy currents are similar to the gulf stream in the ocean as an analogy.

Let's not go there - you've pointed out another error in the UB already.  I'll leave it alone - adjectives and qualifiers intact.

So,  even if the number has changed since 1983,  it still comes back to the point of where the sampling was taken.

BTW thanks for the ego boost.  Smiley

You're welcome.  The number today is closer to 1:15 x 105
 

Whats with the foot and inch thing anyway?  What was that some measurement from the kings big toe to his heel divided by 12?  The universe seems to work on the decimal system.  Why are we still using this antiquated phenomenon of mythology.

It was the UB that was using the Impirialist measuring system, not me.  I was trying to convert it all over for you...  That's how we got lost.  Grin

 
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« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2007, 12:41:16 pm »

Merl,

I'm still getting 1:16 here.  I'm seeing it as apples to oranges.

If the Ub says 100 ultimatons/neutrino's  per cu inch and the 1983 article says 100 per cu cm is what was found that = 1:16

so if the Ub says 100 in an electron per cu inch and the article found the equivilent of 1 electron per cu cm I still get 1:16

It still comes down to the area of sampling.  I would guess that the most empty space to be found would lie either above or

below the plain of the milky way.  HuhHuh


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you've pointed out another error in the UB already.

I'm not seeing it as an error,  I think error is a poor choice of wording.  I'm seeing a difference between 2 theories.  Huh?

"Gamow estimates that our sun will decrease its hydrogen content from 35% to 1% in the next 10 billion years. Long before that time, our planet would be uninhabitable. Contradicting Gamow, on p. 465 The Urantia Book states that our sun will function at its present efficiency for another 25 billion years. Possibly this means that our sun is at least partially encircuited on the "space-energy channels."
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« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2007, 10:47:22 pm »

My bad - even though I was copying the information correctly, I transposed the value of 100 between the article and the UB passage.  For some reason I was attributing it (in my mind) to the electron number and not the neutrino number; duh...

1 electron per cu. in. equates to 1:16.39 cc
100 neutrinos per cc equates  to 1:6.1 cc
A 270% difference (give or take).

From the perspective of mass, however, the difference would have been much larger.  An electron is 5 times more massive than a neutrino.  Then there is the issue of neutrino - anti-neutrino annihilation...  The author of the article failed to account for that and I would not know where to arbitrarily begin.  It suffices to say that all annihilation would have to occur leaving a number of neutrinos (or anti-neutrinos) to be counted.  Like I said in the previous post - today, we know that the number is vastly different; indicating that the UB missed the mark by a very long shot.
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« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2007, 07:03:21 am »

My bad - even though I was copying the information correctly, I transposed the value of 100 between the article and the UB passage.  For some reason I was attributing it (in my mind) to the electron number and not the neutrino number; duh...

1 electron per cu. in. equates to 1:16.39 cc
100 neutrinos per cc equates  to 1:6.1 cc
A 270% difference (give or take).

From the perspective of mass, however, the difference would have been much larger.  An electron is 5 times more massive than a neutrino.  Then there is the issue of neutrino - anti-neutrino annihilation...  The author of the article failed to account for that and I would not know where to arbitrarily begin.  It suffices to say that all annihilation would have to occur leaving a number of neutrinos (or anti-neutrinos) to be counted.  Like I said in the previous post - today, we know that the number is vastly different; indicating that the UB missed the mark by a very long shot.

Merlin,
One day you will come to the realization that "science" makes mistakes;  The Ubook does not.  I don't even know if the neutrino=ultimaton but I think it does.  It still really comes back to the location of the sample in question.  "The most nearly empty space known in Nebadon".

Have you had time to deal with that last post by Glasziou and the Mesotron/Meson re: Yukawa?  I'm curious about what you come up with.  What I found interesting was :
1. the original name "mesotron"
2.  "Now if our Triple "A" people were at work faking a revelation, right here, in Par. 3, they took the unprecedented step
      of ignoring the top physicists of the day and introducing their own concept of beta-decay as illustrated in Fig. 4. " ........
      ......because The Urantia Book concept has become the modern theory."

3.  the part I have hilited in blue.

I recently ran across this : in 2005 at the age of 83 Ken Glasziou suffered a stroke. 

I'm unsure of his condition today but hope he is doing well. He hasn't published anything since 05.

Any suggestions for a good physicist who knows both science and the Ubook material well that can monitor new discoveries and correlate them to the Ub material in the years to come?  Smiley  The job doesn't pay well but a nobel prize might be a possibility.  Smiley

Phil Calabrese PhD recently published this projection in his paper "The Coming Scientific Validations":
http://www.datasynthesis.org/
4.7 Summary. So the soon-coming scientific verifications are:


a) Discovery of Atlantis- the First Garden of Eden (<2 years)


b) The Andromeda galaxy is closer than once thought and light from there requires “almost one million years”, not almost 3 million years as is presently believed (<10 years)


c) Forth and last outer space zone (<10 years)


d) Spectrographic reinterpretation of the distance-redshift linear relationship (<10 yrs)


e) Overthrow of “big bang” cosmology; universe is ‘smaller than we thought’ (<15 years)


f) Discovery of non-breathing, electrically powered humanoids “in close proximity” to Earth – Ganymede, Jupiter’s satellite largest in the solar system, is candidate (Anytime we look for them, the sooner the better.) 

(Obviously # A is no longer viable in the timeframe)


" For some reason I was attributing it (in my mind) to the electron number and not the neutrino number; duh..."

don't feel so bad,  look what Martin Gardner did in "The Great Cult Mystery"

"The carbon-nitrogen cycle that converts hydrogen to helium with the release of energy is a catalytic reaction in which carbon enters and leaves the reaction apparently unscathed. In actuality, it is a very complex reaction in which several isotopes of carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen are generated before ordinary carbon is regenerated and helium emerges. The simplicity of the wording of the Urantia Paper quotation from p. 464 arouses no confidence in the postulate that the writer was familiar with Bethe's work.

The quotation from p. 463 is also mentioned by Gardner (p. 189) but in this instance it is misquoted in an attempt to ridicule the science content of the Urantia Papers. Gardner sets this in the context of being in the original text, hence (according to Gardner) could not be altered or removed. He states:

"It is now known that the sun's radiant energy is produced by a thermonuclear reaction in which hydrogen is converted into a variety of helium. No electrons or protons are destroyed by this process. When theUrantia Papers were written it was widely believed that the sun's radiant energy came from the annihilation of atoms and protons. As Sir James Jeans says in The Universe Around Us, the sun's energy ‘originates out of electrons and protons. The sun is destroying its substance in order that we may live.' This notion is the view taken by the UB. The main source of the energy, the UB asserts (on page 463) is ‘the annihilation of atoms and eventually, of protons.'" Gardner got it wrong

The actual wording in the Urantia Papers is "the annihilation of atoms and, eventually, electrons." Gardner has substituted "protons" for "electrons" apparently in conformity with his quotation from Jeans. The comment that no electrons or protons are destroyed in the process seems to be his own and is incorrect. The overall process is that four atoms of hydrogen, consisting of four protons and four electrons, become a single atom of helium having two protons, two neutrons, and two electrons. Whether the process is the proton-proton chain (thought to be dominant in stars such as our sun) or via the carbon-nitrogen cycle (dominant in larger, hotter stars), in each process two positrons (anti-electrons) are released and annihilate by interacting with two electrons. Hence the statement in the Urantia Paper that the annihilation of atoms and, eventually, of electrons is of first importance for the production of solar energy is quite correct and perhaps is also prophetic concerning the proton-proton chain for helium production proposed by Bethe and Critchfield in 1938.
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« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2007, 08:16:37 pm »

Merlin,
One day you will come to the realization that "science" makes mistakes;  The Ubook does not.

I cannot continue after that.  I will only discuss and debate when there is an opportunity to have a logical, rational and educational discourse.  No one else is participating so, your comment is the "closing bell" as far as I'm concerned.

I used to think that you were actually interested in understanding the nature of things, but now it appears as though you are only interested in how to make the UB accurate.  Good luck with that process.

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« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2007, 11:08:15 am »

Year 2006 Update on the Coming Scientific Validation Of The Urantia Book

By Philip Calabrese, Ph.D., San Diego, CA

* * *
Phil Calabrese is an award-winning mathematician, and spent
forty years in teaching, both college level statistics and the first college
course for credit on The Urantia Book in 1971, in addition to presenting
the cosmological implications of the book at various conferences
over the years. In 1990, as a result of a paper he had published, he
was awarded a senior research associateship by the National Research
Council and subsequently won a 3-year prime contract with the US
Navy to provide “techniques for uncertain conditional information
processing.”
*************

One of the scientific ways to validate a purported divine
revelation, though not the only way, or necessarily the best way, is
to statistically test its associated cosmology. This may be the only
way to convince a scientist that The Urantia Book is worth reading
for the helpful albeit transitional science that it contains. In the
case of The Urantia Book, the associated cosmology is supposed to
be “of immense value” to us during this transient stage of Earth’s
scientific development compared to the ages to come.

Among the scientific positions taken and systematic statements
made by The Urantia Book let us focus on the population of
such statements that a) were minority positions before (and possibly
for a while after) the 1955 publication date, and b) are now
positions that have subsequently been definitely settled and established
by contemporary science.

Were The Urantia Book just in agreement with contemporary
science as often as it remains at odds with contemporary science,
then little statistical argument could be made for its scientific validation.
But in fact, for many scientific issues contemporary science
has quite often traveled a meandering path eventually converging
to positions long ago taken by The Urantia Book.

Each such example makes it still less plausible that The
Urantia Book was humanly written. If The Urantia Book was not
humanly written then it was superhumanly written.

Here are some examples from 2006:


DUST FROM THE WILD 2 COMET

One third of a milligram of dust was recovered this January
from the Wild 2 comet after a rendezvous with NASA’s Stardust
spacecraft, which collected the comet material in a collector and
then landed back on Earth.

According to Discover Magazine’s Jeffrey Winters,1 “Researchers
had anticipated that Wild 2 would contain material
formed in the icy reaches between the stars long before the solar
system was born, but what they found could have formed only in
the hottest part of the solar nebula. Perhaps gas, dust, and small
rocks from the inner part of the infant solar system were violently
ejected out beyond Neptune, where comets such as Wild 2 are
thought to have formed.”

The reason our scientists had anticipated that the Wild 2
material would be cold is because that is part of the condensation
model of the birth of a solar system, that there will be left over
material that hasn’t yet been captured by the hot interior of the
postulated solar nebula or by its larger satellites. However, The
Urantia Book says that our solar system did not form as a condensation
of old icy material that lit up when compressed beyond a
certain point, but rather by just such a violent expulsion of material
from the sun’s core. [57:5.6] (P. 656) Had our scientists found
older, icy star matter in the comet, that would have undermined
the case for the solar system and comets being mainly expelled
material from the hot solar interior. But instead of being discredited,
The Urantia Book has once again been corroborated by contemporary
science even though most scientists are still clinging
to a condensation model of the solar system’s origin but needing
“violent solar ejections” to account for the data. While The
Urantia Book says that such an origin is a very common method of
solar system formation, there are nine other ways solar systems are
formed. [15:5.2] (P. 170)

INVISIBILITY CLOAKING

The Urantia Book speaks of certain “dark gravity bodies”
that completely shroud the Central Universe of Havona:

On the outskirts of this vast central universe, far out beyond
the seventh belt of Havona worlds, there swirl an unbelievable
number of enormous dark gravity bodies. These multitudinous
dark masses are quite unlike other space bodies in many
particulars; even in form they are very different. These dark
gravity bodies neither reflect nor absorb light; they are nonreactive
to physical-energy light, and they so completely encircle and
enshroud Havona as to hide it from the view of even near-by
inhabited universes of time and space. [14:1.7] (P. 153)

This paragraph has always been difficult to interpret. After
all, what is left if a body neither reflects nor absorbs light? To
shroud, it must bend light around itself as though not there!

This seemingly fanciful idea was made a reality this year
when a team of scientists from Duke University and Imperial College
London headed by David Smith “designed radical new materials
that can bend microwaves around an object so that they
are neither absorbed nor scattered.”2 The scientists succeeded
in shrouding a metal cylinder two inches in diameter from microwaves,
which are just like light waves but have longer wavelengths.


That such materials exist is corroboration of another implausible
notion from The Urantia Book that now is reality. These
dark gravity bodies also provide gravity stability to the cosmos.



DARK MATTER AND DARK ENERGY

According to our scientists, “dark matter” is what keeps
the universes from flying apart given its rapid spinning. Scientists
have realized that matter such as galaxies must have ten to twenty
times the mass of their visible luminous bodies to prevent the galaxy
from flying apart due to centrifugal force. As expressed by
Alex Stone: “Because dark matter doesn’t interact with regular
matter, or with itself, it passes right through everything.”3

The Urantia Book speaks of more than one type of dark matter
including dark islands of space and the unrecognized gravity
presence of Paradise which the Uversa astronomers calculate is
exerting twenty times the gravity attraction necessary to maintain
the whole grand universe, the rest going into holding the outer
universes in orbit. Dark matter is a new and active area of research,
but the existence and functions of several types of dark
matter were already expressed in The Urantia Book in 1955.

Dark energy is what our scientists postulate is causing the
observed acceleration of universe expansion. Rather than the supposed
universe expansion slowing down, it is speeding up the further
out our scientists observe. That the universe might undergo
cycles of expansion and contraction with an implied periodic acceleration
presently occurring has not been seriously considered.
The observed acceleration has not yet been taken as evidence of
such a possibility of periodic motion. But The Urantia Book claims
that there are such two billion year cycles of acceleration and
slowing and reversal of direction of space itself:

The cycles of space respiration extend in each phase for a
little more than one billion Urantia years. During one phase the
universes expand; during the next they contract. Pervaded space
is now approaching the mid-point of the expanding phase, while
unpervaded space nears the mid-point of the contracting phase,
and we are informed that the outermost limits of both space extensions
are, theoretically, now approximately equidistant from
Paradise. [11:6.4] (PP. 123–124)

Since the expansion is nearing the midpoint of the expanding
phase it has therefore recently been accelerating and will presently
starting slowing after it reaches that midpoint. So in this
paragraph The Urantia Book may be providing an explanation for
the observed acceleration of space expansion.

As our scientists map the speed of apparent space expansion
at larger distances they should find a huge zone of deceleration
since light from the most distant objects was emitted more than
500 hundred million years ago, at a time, according to The Urantia
Book, when pervaded space was contracting. The further out from
there the faster the deceleration should be for another 500 hundred
million light years.

NEW “ELEMENT 118” FORMED.

(THREE ATOMS WITH LIFE SPAN < 0.001 SECONDS)

Russian and American scientists were able to smash an
atom of californium (with 98 protons) with an atom of calcium
(having 20 protons) to very briefly form a new atom for less than
a thousandth of a second. And it took 3 times 10 to the 19th collisions
to get just 3 atoms to stick together. The team expects to
find even heavier elements that will last a few hours.4 The Urantia
Book predicted that an atom would be very short lived when more
than 100 electrons are in orbit around it as would be the case for
an atom with 118 protons.

In Orvonton it has never been possible naturally to assemble
over one hundred orbital electrons in one atomic system.
When one hundred and one have been artificially introduced
into the orbital field, the result has always been the well-nigh
instantaneous disruption of the central proton with the wild
dispersion of the electrons and other liberated energies.7 [42:7.7]
(P.478)

AGE OF SIERRA MOUNTAIN RANGE

As another example of The Urantia Book’s uncanny ability
to avoid error and provide truth, geologists at Stanford University
were able to determine a minimum age for the Sierra Nevada
mountain range by examining rain that fell there 45 million years
ago that was captured in soaked gravel. They found that it fell at
similar altitudes as rain falling there now. (Rain falling at lower
altitudes contains a higher percentage of deuterium [heavy hydrogen]
than rain falling at high altitudes.) According to Discover
Magazine’s Kathy A. Svitil, this “settled a long-running dispute
over the age of the Sierra Nevada range” in which “most scientists
had put the Sierra’s age at under 5 million years old.”5

By contrast, the 1955 Urantia Book [60:3&4] (PP. 688–692)
[59:5.20] (P. 682) fully explains, and in great detail, the whole
mountain formation process (still largely unrecognized) including
how the Sierras were initially formed at the end of the Cretaceous
period (144 to 65 million years ago),6 during the western continental
crunch up against an obstruction on the floor of the Pacific
ocean which ended the westward drift of the North and South
American continents. The Sierras were subsequently worn down
and submerged but then re-elevated by on-going volcanic action.
The story is complicated.

25,000,000 years ago there was a slight land submergence
following the long epoch of land elevation. The Sierras were well
re-elevated; in fact, they have been rising ever since. [61:3.3] (P.
696)

Had the authors of the 1955 Urantia Book known no more
than most geologists living in 2006, they would likely have given
an erroneous account of how the Sierra Nevadas were formed less
than 5 million years ago.



ARCTIC ICE, PERMAFROST, GLOBAL WARMING AND THE ICE AGES

Finally a warning! Several events have made it clear that
for whatever reason we are experiencing global warming. The arctic
ice is melting faster than before, endangering polar bears; the
permafrost is releasing trapped carbon dioxide as it melts, which
accelerates the warming of the atmosphere. Weather seems more
extreme. We hear about it daily now. Well, if we need another
wake-up, consider this ominous comment by The Urantia Book:

100,000 years ago, during the retreat of the last glacier,
the vast polar ice sheets began to form, and the center of ice accumulation
moved considerably northward. And as long as the
polar regions continue to be covered with ice, it is hardly possible
for another glacial age to occur, regardless of future land elevations
or modification of ocean currents. [61:7.11] (P. 702)

The obvious question is what happens if those vast polar ice
sheets melt?

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Toward A New Cosmology of Matter

Let us now try to more
vividly imagine the shadowy nature of physical matter as related to
Paradise realities. Think of Total Reality as the locus of an almost
infinite ellipse of reality whose finite foci move toward the eternity and
infinity of the non-spatial nucleus of each ultimaton while the other
foci move toward all-encompassing and transcending Infinity. Finally,
project the result back into the finite realm and we see spherical shells
of rotating space of quantifiable radius and thickness and rates of
revolutionary motion. And the nucleus of all these ultimatonic
revolutionary motions and also of their macroscopic motions in space
is the same Paradise.

4.1 Ultimatons. We are informed that energy is arranged by the
Transcendental Force Organizers as minute ultimate spheres called
ultimatons. Each ultimaton is held together by Paradise gravity (the
true strong force) and is configured (I think) as a set of three concentric rotating spherical shells of space of varying sizes and thickness and having perhaps three mutually perpendicular axes of rotation.
Paradise is the nucleus of each individual spherically shaped ultimaton,
the smallest measurable unit of matter. (See Figures 1 & 2.)

4.2 Mass. Now in contemporary science, the mass of a body of matter
is defined and measured in terms of the force necessary to produce a
unit of acceleration in that body. So mass is force per unit of
acceleration -intuitively, the amount of resistance to motion due to
inertia that the body has. The "mass" of an ultimate particle depends
upon the radius and shell thickness of each of its three component
spherical shells of potent space and also on the rate of rotation of
these shells. Since there is always a "plane perpendicular to the mass"
(126.5), mass can evidently be represented as a vector along the axis
of rotation with a magnitude (or length) representing the amount of
inertia in that direction. In this tri-concentric spherical shell configuration,
an ultimaton has inertia (mass) in any direction. Mass is angular
moment of inertia of rotating space. Space is not nothing; it has the
potency of the Unqualified Absolute.
This concept of mass allows a nice interpretation of the experimentally
verified phenomenon of a particle increasing in mass without bound as
the particle is speeded up toward the speed of light. The mass
(resistance to acceleration) of the particle increases apparently
because the linear force producing the acceleration goes into additional
rotational rates (mass) rather than into additional linear velocity
(kinetic energy). Thus mass-energy can be conserved according to
Einstein's famous law of conservation of mass and energy: •M = •E /
C2. "The increase of mass in matter is equal to the increase of energy
divided by the square of the velocity of light." (474.1)

4.3 The Constancy of the Speed of Light. One of Einstein's famous
thought experiments involved a train. It had earlier been determined
by the famous Michelson-Morley experiment, that the speed of light is
not affected by the motion of the object emitting the light. For
instance, the light shining forward from the front of a train that is
traveling away from a station travels no faster away from the station
than the light from a lamp resting at the station. The light emitted
from the moving train does not move away any faster than the light
emitted from the lamp at the station. And this is true no matter how
close to the speed of light the train is going! How can this be? Einstein
is credited with the solution to the problem.
But the Urantia Book suggests a different solution to me, that
Paradise -the motionless "Isle of Light" -is the source of all light
whenever light is emitted! That all light emanates from this nuclear
"Isle of Light". That is why the speed of light is a constant no matter
what the motion of the matter supposedly "emitting" the light. The
light doesn't actually come from the shadowy space matter; it comes
from the non-moving, non-spatial nuclear region existing in close
proximity to the moving particle. The light that appears to be emitted
from a moving particle actually comes from Paradise and is injected
into space at the present position of that moving particle, making it
seem to be coming from the fleeting space shadow itself. This is my
interpretation of why the speed of light is a constant with respect to
any two relatively moving reference frames supposedly emitting or
receiving light. In the context of Einstein's train, the light leaving the
front of the train does not carry the velocity of the train. Particles
that seem to emit light actually constitute "windows" into the "plane of
light" existing in close proximity to the space particle, at its eternal
center, roughly speaking, just "above" the space of the particle, or just
within.

4.4 Projections and Shadows. Let us further consider how the motions
of space can be considered as "fleeting shadows" of Paradise realities,
and how time can be considered the "moving image of eternity." With
Paradise existing at the "focus" of space (another optical term), its
inner realities can be projected from infinity as moving matter in
space, somewhat like shadows of a 3-dimensional object are projected
onto a 2-dimensional wall, or like a four dimensional sphere is projected
into 3 dimensions! (See Figure 3.) These constitute the space bodies
that we "see".


It has been shown by mathematicians that a 4-dimensional cube
projected into 3 dimensions looks like two concentric cubes. See

Figure 4.)

A 4-dimensional sphere could be projected as 2 concentric spheres.
But "two concentric spheres" is just another way to describe
a spherical shell of space! With a bit more imagination and a few more
dimensions we might be able to conceive of how to project down to 3dimensions and end up with three concentric spherical shells of
revolving space making up an ultimaton. An ultimaton has a three-fold
constitution -three concentric spherical shells of revolving space,
revolving, I think, on 3 different axes of rotation. In this way the
ultimaton would exhibit mass in all directions, perhaps not the same
mass, but it would have a total mass vector made up of three
"moments of inertia". When 100 concentrically configured ultimatons
go into making up one electron, the dynamic possibilities are wide open.

4.5 Time and Eternity. Concerning time, Jesus speaking at Carthage
says: "That which formerly appeared as a succession of events then
will be viewed as a whole and perfectly related cycle; in this way will
circular simultaneity increasingly displace the onetime consciousness
of the linear sequence of events." (1439.4)

http://urantiabook.org/archive/readers/FOG___Cosmology_of_UB.pdf
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Scientists Now Know: We're Not From Here!

Summary & comments by Dan Eden for Viewzone

Imagine the shock of growing up in a loving family with people you call "Mum" and "Dad" and then, suddenly, learning that you are actually adopted!

This same sense of shock came as scientists announced that the Sun, the Moon, our planet and its siblings, were not born into the familiar band of stars known as the Milky Way galaxy, but we actually belong to a strange formation with the unfamiliar name of the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy!

How can this be?

Using volumes of data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS), a major project to survey the sky in infrared light led by the University of Massachusetts, the astronomers are answering questions that have baffled scientists for decades and proving that our own Milky Way is consuming one of its neighbors in a dramatic display of ongoing galactic cannibalism. The study published in the Astrophysical Journal, is the first to map the full extent of the Sagittarius galaxy and show in visually vivid detail how its debris wraps around and passes through our Milky Way. Sagittarius is 10,000 times smaller in mass than the Milky Way, so it is getting stretched out, torn apart and gobbled up by the bigger Milky Way.

Scientists Now Know: We're Not From Here!

Summary & comments by Dan Eden for Viewzone

Imagine the shock of growing up in a loving family with people you call "Mum" and "Dad" and then, suddenly, learning that you are actually adopted!

This same sense of shock came as scientists announced that the Sun, the Moon, our planet and its siblings, were not born into the familiar band of stars known as the Milky Way galaxy, but we actually belong to a strange formation with the unfamiliar name of the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy!

How can this be?

Using volumes of data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS), a major project to survey the sky in infrared light led by the University of Massachusetts, the astronomers are answering questions that have baffled scientists for decades and proving that our own Milky Way is consuming one of its neighbors in a dramatic display of ongoing galactic cannibalism. The study published in the Astrophysical Journal, is the first to map the full extent of the Sagittarius galaxy and show in visually vivid detail how its debris wraps around and passes through our Milky Way. Sagittarius is 10,000 times smaller in mass than the Milky Way, so it is getting stretched out, torn apart and gobbled up by the bigger Milky Way.


A new infra red digital survey of the entire sky was made in 2003. Teams from the universities of Virginia and Massachusetts used a supercomputer to sort through half a billion stars to create a -- NEW STAR MAP showing our Solar System (yellow circle) to be at the exact nexus crossroads where two galaxies are actually joining.

"It's clear who's the bully in the interaction," said Steven Majewski, U.Va. professor of astronomy and lead author on the paper describing the results.

"If people had infrared-sensitive eyes, the entrails of Sagittarius would be a prominent fixture sweeping across our sky," Majewski said. "But at human, visual wavelengths, they become buried among countless intervening stars and obscuring dust. The great expanse of the Sagittarius system has been hidden from view."

Not any more. By using infrared maps, the astronomers filtered away millions of foreground stars to focus on a type of star called an M giant. These large, infrared-bright stars are populous in the Sagittarius galaxy but uncommon in the outer Milky Way. The 2MASS infrared map of M giant stars analyzed by Majewski and collaborators is the first to give a complete view of the Milky Way galexy's meal of Sagittarius stars, now wrapping like a spaghetti noodle around the Milky Way. Prior to this work, astronomers had detected only a few scattered pieces of the disrupted Sagittarius dwarf. Even the existence of Sagittarius was unknown until the heart of this nearest satellite galaxy of the Milky Way was discovered by a British team of astronomers in 1994.

Here's an animation of the "marriage".

The fact that the Milky Way is seen in the sky at an angle has always puzzled astronomers. If we originated from the Milky Way, we ought to be oriented to the galaxy's ecliptic, with the planets aligned around our Sun in much the same angle as our Sun aligns with the Milky Way. Instead, as first suggested by researcher Matthew Perkins Erwin, the odd angle suggests that our Sun is influenced by some other system. Together with data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey we now know what it is. We actually belong to the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy.

"We sifted several thousand interesting stars from a catalog of half a billion," said co-author Michael Skrutskie, U.Va. professor of astronomy and principal investigator for the 2MASS project. "By tuning our maps of the sky to the 'right' kind of star, the Sagittarius system jumped into view."


We are from another galaxy in the process of joining with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is actually not our parent galaxy. The mystery of why the Milky Way has always been sideways in the night sky has never been answered -- until now.

"This first full-sky map of Sagittarius shows its extensive interaction with the Milky Way," Majewski said. "Both stars and star clusters now in the outer parts of the Milky Way have been 'stolen' from Sagittarius as the gravitational forces of the Milky Way nibbled away at its dwarf companion. This one vivid example shows that the Milky Way grows by eating its smaller neighbors."

The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death.

"After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer," said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. "We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of its life as an intact system."

Does this mean we are at a unique moment in the life of our galaxy? Yes and no.

"Whenever possible, astronomers appeal to the principle that we are not at a special time or place in the universe," Majewski said. "Because over the 14 billion-year history of the Milky Way it is unlikely that we would just happen to catch a brief event like the death of Sagittarius, we infer that such events must be common in the life of big spiral galaxies like our own. The Milky Way probably dined on a number of dwarf galaxy snacks in the past."

On the other hand, Majewski and his colleagues have been surprised by the Earth's proximity to a portion of the Sagittarius debris.

"For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski said. "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present position in the Milky Way. Stars from an alien galaxy are relatively near us. We have to re-think our assumptions about the Milky Way galaxy to account for this contamination."

The new findings will help astronomers measure the total mass of the Milky Way and Sagittarius galaxies, and probe the quantity and distribution of the invisible dark matter in these systems.

"The shape of the Sagittarius debris trail shows us that the Milky Way's unseen dark matter is in a spherical distribution, a result that is quite unexpected," Weinberg said.

"The observations provide new insights into the nature of the mysterious dark matter," said Princeton's Spergel. "Either our galaxy is unusual or the dark matter has richer properties than postulated by conventional models."

Scientists Now Know: We're Not From Here!

Summary & comments by Dan Eden for Viewzone

Imagine the shock of growing up in a loving family with people you call "Mum" and "Dad" and then, suddenly, learning that you are actually adopted!

This same sense of shock came as scientists announced that the Sun, the Moon, our planet and its siblings, were not born into the familiar band of stars known as the Milky Way galaxy, but we actually belong to a strange formation with the unfamiliar name of the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy!

How can this be?

Using volumes of data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS), a major project to survey the sky in infrared light led by the University of Massachusetts, the astronomers are answering questions that have baffled scientists for decades and proving that our own Milky Way is consuming one of its neighbors in a dramatic display of ongoing galactic cannibalism. The study published in the Astrophysical Journal, is the first to map the full extent of the Sagittarius galaxy and show in visually vivid detail how its debris wraps around and passes through our Milky Way. Sagittarius is 10,000 times smaller in mass than the Milky Way, so it is getting stretched out, torn apart and gobbled up by the bigger Milky Way.


A new infra red digital survey of the entire sky was made in 2003. Teams from the universities of Virginia and Massachusetts used a supercomputer to sort through half a billion stars to create a -- NEW STAR MAP showing our Solar System (yellow circle) to be at the exact nexus crossroads where two galaxies are actually joining.

"It's clear who's the bully in the interaction," said Steven Majewski, U.Va. professor of astronomy and lead author on the paper describing the results.

"If people had infrared-sensitive eyes, the entrails of Sagittarius would be a prominent fixture sweeping across our sky," Majewski said. "But at human, visual wavelengths, they become buried among countless intervening stars and obscuring dust. The great expanse of the Sagittarius system has been hidden from view."

Not any more. By using infrared maps, the astronomers filtered away millions of foreground stars to focus on a type of star called an M giant. These large, infrared-bright stars are populous in the Sagittarius galaxy but uncommon in the outer Milky Way. The 2MASS infrared map of M giant stars analyzed by Majewski and collaborators is the first to give a complete view of the Milky Way galexy's meal of Sagittarius stars, now wrapping like a spaghetti noodle around the Milky Way. Prior to this work, astronomers had detected only a few scattered pieces of the disrupted Sagittarius dwarf. Even the existence of Sagittarius was unknown until the heart of this nearest satellite galaxy of the Milky Way was discovered by a British team of astronomers in 1994.

Here's an animation of the "marriage".

The fact that the Milky Way is seen in the sky at an angle has always puzzled astronomers. If we originated from the Milky Way, we ought to be oriented to the galaxy's ecliptic, with the planets aligned around our Sun in much the same angle as our Sun aligns with the Milky Way. Instead, as first suggested by researcher Matthew Perkins Erwin, the odd angle suggests that our Sun is influenced by some other system. Together with data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey we now know what it is. We actually belong to the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy.

"We sifted several thousand interesting stars from a catalog of half a billion," said co-author Michael Skrutskie, U.Va. professor of astronomy and principal investigator for the 2MASS project. "By tuning our maps of the sky to the 'right' kind of star, the Sagittarius system jumped into view."


We are from another galaxy in the process of joining with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is actually not our parent galaxy. The mystery of why the Milky Way has always been sideways in the night sky has never been answered -- until now.

"This first full-sky map of Sagittarius shows its extensive interaction with the Milky Way," Majewski said. "Both stars and star clusters now in the outer parts of the Milky Way have been 'stolen' from Sagittarius as the gravitational forces of the Milky Way nibbled away at its dwarf companion. This one vivid example shows that the Milky Way grows by eating its smaller neighbors."

The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death.

"After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer," said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. "We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of its life as an intact system."

Does this mean we are at a unique moment in the life of our galaxy? Yes and no.

"Whenever possible, astronomers appeal to the principle that we are not at a special time or place in the universe," Majewski said. "Because over the 14 billion-year history of the Milky Way it is unlikely that we would just happen to catch a brief event like the death of Sagittarius, we infer that such events must be common in the life of big spiral galaxies like our own. The Milky Way probably dined on a number of dwarf galaxy snacks in the past."

On the other hand, Majewski and his colleagues have been surprised by the Earth's proximity to a portion of the Sagittarius debris.

"For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski said. "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present position in the Milky Way. Stars from an alien galaxy are relatively near us. We have to re-think our assumptions about the Milky Way galaxy to account for this contamination."

The new findings will help astronomers measure the total mass of the Milky Way and Sagittarius galaxies, and probe the quantity and distribution of the invisible dark matter in these systems.

"The shape of the Sagittarius debris trail shows us that the Milky Way's unseen dark matter is in a spherical distribution, a result that is quite unexpected," Weinberg said.

"The observations provide new insights into the nature of the mysterious dark matter," said Princeton's Spergel. "Either our galaxy is unusual or the dark matter has richer properties than postulated by conventional models."

Implications in Global Warming?

It has been postulated that this is the real reason for both global warming since higher energy levels of the Milky Way are almost certain to cause our Sun to burn hotter and emit higher energies. Indeed, temperatures have been seen to rise on virtually all the planets in our system. This seems quite apart from any local phenomenon like greenhouse gases etc.

This grand turning is possibly the root cause for the discontinuation of the Mayan calendar (the most accurate on the planet) because the 'read-point' of the Pleiades star cluster, which many believe the calendar was based upon, can no longer be a constant as we begin to steer away from the earlier predictable movements.



Other changes happening in our system

The "marriage" of our birth galaxy with our new adopted Milky Way galaxy is causing energy shifts that are obvious just about everywhere. Here are some changes being watched by scientists:

* A growth of dark spots on Pluto.

* Reporting of auroras on Saturn.

* Reporting of Uranus and Neptune polar shifts (They are magnetically conjugate planets), and the abrupt large-scale growth of Uranus' magnetosphere intensity.

* A change in light intensity and light spot dynamics on Neptune.

* The doubling of the magnetic field intensity on Jupiter (based upon 1992 data), and a series of new states and processes observed on this planet as an aftermath of a series of explosions in July 1994 [caused by "Comet" SL-9]. That is, a relaxation of a plasmoid train which excited the Jovian magnetosphere, thus inducing excessive plasma generation and it's release in the same manner as Solar coronal holes inducing an appearance of radiation belt brightening in decimeter band (13.2 and 36 cm), and the appearance of large auroral anomalies and a change of the Jupiter - Io system of currents.


Update Note: A stream of ionized hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, etc. is being directed to Jupiter from the volcanic areas of Io through a one million amperes flux tube. It is affecting the character of Jupiter's magnetic process and intensifying it's plasma genesis.[Z.I.Vselennaya "Earth and Universe" N3, 1997 plo-9 by NASA data]

* A series of Martian atmosphere transformations increasing its biosphere quality. In particularly, a cloudy growth in the equator area and an unusual growth of ozone concentration.


Update Note: Mars Surveyor Satellite encountered an atmospheric density double that projected by NASA upon entering a Mars orbit. This greater density bent one of the solar array arms beyond the full and open stop. This combination of events has delayed the beginning of the scheduled photo mission for one year.

* A first stage atmosphere generation on the Moon, where a growing natrium atmosphere is detected that reaches 9,000 km in height.

* Significant physical, chemical and optical changes observed on Venus; an inversion of dark and light spots detected for the first time, and a sharp decrease of sulfur-containing gases in its atmosphere.

* A Change in the Quality of Interplanetary Space Towards an Increase in Its Interplanetary and Solar-Planetary Transmitting Properties.

When speaking of new energetic and material qualities of interplanetary space, we must first point out the increase of the interplanetary domains energetic charge, and level of material saturation. This change of the typical mean state of interplanetary space has two main causes:

* The supply/inflow of matter from interstellar space. (Radiation material, ionized elements, and combinations.)

* The after effects of Solar Cycle 22 activity, especially as a result of fast coronal mass ejection's [CME's] of magnetized solar plasmas.

What does it all mean?

We of the overarching Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy have finally come down next to, and even with the massively powerful spiral armed equatorial plane of the Milky Way Galaxy.

In our movement through space, our Earth has now fully begun to respond to the more powerful galactic energies and electro-gravitational bias of the massive Milky Way. We have reached the higher energy equatorial disc region of the massive spiral arm. We have now been "adopted" by a new system, a stornger and more powerful system, and we can expect changes on almost every level of energy.

Whatever these changes are, they are all part of the natural birth, death, rebirth and transformation of the cosmos. As our knowledge of the universe grows, we cannot but understand how much we do not understand. Such is life.

[For further reading we suggest you go to Matthew Perkins Erwin's blog; acb.net.au and www.astro.virginia.edu which was the basis of this summary.]



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Part III



The History of Urantia



PAPER 57



THE ORIGIN OF URANTIA  

IN PRESENTING excerpts from the archives of Jerusem for the records of Urantia respecting its antecedents and early history, we are directed to reckon time in terms of current usage--the present leap-year calendar of 3651/4 days to the year. As a rule, no attempt will be made to give exact years, though they are of record. We will use the nearest whole numbers as the better method of presenting these historic facts.

          When referring to an event as of one or two millions of years ago, we intend to date such an occurrence back that number of years from the early decades of the twentieth century of the Christian era. We will thus depict these far-distant events as occurring in even periods of thousands, millions, and billions of years.

1. THE ANDRONOVER NEBULA


          Urantia is of origin in your sun, and your sun is one of the multifarious offspring of the Andronover nebula, which was onetime organized as a component part of the physical power and material matter of the local universe of Nebadon. And this great nebula itself took origin in the universal force-charge of space in the superuniverse of Orvonton, long, long ago.

At the time of the beginning of this recital, the Primary Master Force Organizers of Paradise had long been in full control of the space-energies which were later organized as the Andronover nebula.

          987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.

          900,000,000,000 years ago the Uversa archives testify, there was recorded a permit issued by the Uversa Council of Equilibrium to the superuniverse government authorizing the dispatch of a force organizer and staff to the region previously designated by inspector number 811,307. The Orvonton authorities commissioned the original discoverer of this potential universe to execute the mandate of the Ancients of Days calling for the organization of a new material creation.



The recording of this permit signifies that the force organizer and staff had already departed from Uversa on the long journey to that easterly space sector where they were subsequently to engage in those protracted activities which would terminate in the emergence of a new physical creation in Orvonton.

          875,000,000,000 years ago the enormous Andronover nebula number 876,926 was duly initiated. Only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy whirl which eventually grew into this vast cyclone of space. Subsequent to the initiation of such nebular revolutions, the living force organizers simply withdraw at right angles to the plane of the revolutionary disk, and from that time forward, the inherent qualities of energy insure the progressive and orderly evolution of such a new physical system.

          At about this time the narrative shifts to the functioning of the personalities of the superuniverse. In reality the story has its proper beginning at this point--at just about the time the Paradise force organizers are preparing to withdraw, having made the space-energy conditions ready for the action of the power directors and physical controllers of the superuniverse of Orvonton.

2. THE PRIMARY NEBULAR STAGE


          All evolutionary material creations are born of circular and gaseous nebulae, and all such primary nebulae are circular throughout the early part of their gaseous existence. As they grow older, they usually become spiral, and when their function of sun formation has run its course, they often terminate as clusters of stars or as enormous suns surrounded by a varying number of planets, satellites, and smaller groups of matter in many ways resembling your own diminutive solar system.

          800,000,000,000 years ago the Andronover creation was well established as one of the magnificent primary nebulae of Orvonton. As the astronomers of near-by universes looked out upon this phenomenon of space, they saw very little to attract their attention. Gravity estimates made in adjacent creations indicated that space materializations were taking place in the Andronover regions, but that was all.

          700,000,000,000 years ago the Andronover system was assuming gigantic proportions, and additional physical controllers were dispatched to nine surrounding material creations to afford support and supply co-operation to the power centers of this new material system which was so rapidly evolving. At this distant date all of the material bequeathed to the subsequent creations was held within the confines of this gigantic space wheel, which continued ever to whirl and, after reaching its maximum of diameter, to whirl faster and faster as it continued to condense and contract.

          600,000,000,000 years ago the height of the Andronover energy-mobilization period was attained; the nebula had acquired its maximum of mass. At this time it was a gigantic circular gas cloud in shape somewhat like a flattened spheroid. This was the early period of differential mass formation and varying revolutionary velocity. Gravity and other influences were about to begin their work of converting space gases into organized matter.



3. THE SECONDARY NEBULAR STAGE


          The enormous nebula now began gradually to assume the spiral form and to become clearly visible to the astronomers of even distant universes. This is the natural history of most nebulae; before they begin to throw off suns and start upon the work of universe building, these secondary space nebulae are usually observed as spiral phenomena.

          The near-by star students of that faraway era, as they observed this metamorphosis of the Andronover nebula, saw exactly what twentieth-century astronomers see when they turn their telescopes spaceward and view the present-age spiral nebulae of adjacent outer space.

          About the time of the attainment of the maximum of mass, the gravity control of the gaseous content commenced to weaken, and there ensued the stage of gas escapement, the gas streaming forth as two gigantic and distinct arms, which took origin on opposite sides of the mother mass. The rapid revolutions of this enormous central core soon imparted a spiral appearance to these two projecting gas streams. The cooling and subsequent condensation of portions of these protruding arms eventually produced their knotted appearance. These denser portions were vast systems and subsystems of physical matter whirling through space in the midst of the gaseous cloud of the nebula while being held securely within the gravity grasp of the mother wheel.

          But the nebula had begun to contract, and the increase in the rate of revolution further lessened gravity control; and erelong, the outer gaseous regions began actually to escape from the immediate embrace of the nebular nucleus, passing out into space on circuits of irregular outline, returning to the nuclear regions to complete their circuits, and so on. But this was only a temporary stage of nebular progression. The ever-increasing rate of whirling was soon to throw enormous suns off into space on independent circuits.

          And this is what happened in Andronover ages upon ages ago. The energy wheel grew and grew until it attained its maximum of expansion, and then, when contraction set in, it whirled on faster and faster until, eventually, the critical centrifugal stage was reached and the great breakup began.

          500,000,000,000 years ago the first Andronover sun was born. This blazing streak broke away from the mother gravity grasp and tore out into space on an independent adventure in the cosmos of creation. Its orbit was determined by its path of escape. Such young suns quickly become spherical and start out on their long and eventful careers as the stars of space. Excepting terminal nebular nucleuses, the vast majority of Orvonton suns have had an analogous birth. These escaping suns pass through varied periods of evolution and subsequent universe service.

          400,000,000,000 years ago began the recaptive period of the Andronover nebula. Many of the near-by and smaller suns were recaptured as a result of the gradual enlargement and further condensation of the mother nucleus. Very soon there was inaugurated the terminal phase of nebular condensation, the period which always precedes the final segregation of these immense space aggregations of energy and matter.

          It was scarcely a million years subsequent to this epoch that Michael of Nebadon, a Creator Son of Paradise, selected this disintegrating nebula as the site of his adventure in universe building. Almost immediately the architectural worlds of Salvington and the one hundred constellation headquarters groups of planets were begun. It required almost one million years to complete these clusters of specially created worlds. The local system headquarters planets were constructed over a period extending from that time to about five billion years ago.



          300,000,000,000 years ago the Andronover solar circuits were well established, and the nebular system was passing through a transient period of relative physical stability. About this time the staff of Michael arrived on Salvington, and the Uversa government of Orvonton extended physical recognition to the local universe of Nebadon.

          200,000,000,000 years ago witnessed the progression of contraction and condensation with enormous heat generation in the Andronover central cluster, or nuclear mass. Relative space appeared even in the regions near the central mother-sun wheel. The outer regions were becoming more stabilized and better organized; some planets revolving around the newborn suns had cooled sufficiently to be suitable for life implantation. The oldest inhabited planets of Nebadon date from these times.

          Now the completed universe mechanism of Nebadon first begins to function, and Michael's creation is registered on Uversa as a universe of inhabitation and progressive mortal ascension.

          100,000,000,000 years ago the nebular apex of condensation tension was reached; the point of maximum heat tension was attained. This critical stage of gravity-heat contention sometimes lasts for ages, but sooner or later, heat wins the struggle with gravity, and the spectacular period of sun dispersion begins. And this marks the end of the secondary career of a space nebula.

4. TERTIARY AND QUARTAN STAGES


          The primary stage of a nebula is circular; the secondary, spiral; the tertiary stage is that of the first sun dispersion, while the quartan embraces the second and last cycle of sun dispersion, with the mother nucleus ending either as a globular cluster or as a solitary sun functioning as the center of a terminal solar system.

          75,000,000,000 years ago this nebula had attained the height of its sun-family stage. This was the apex of the first period of sun losses. The majority of these suns have since possessed themselves of extensive systems of planets, satellites, dark islands, comets, meteors, and cosmic dust clouds.

          50,000,000,000 years ago this first period of sun dispersion was completed; the nebula was fast finishing its tertiary cycle of existence, during which it gave origin to 876,926 sun systems.

          25,000,000,000 years ago witnessed the completion of the tertiary cycle of nebular life and brought about the organization and relative stabilization of the far-flung starry systems derived from this parent nebula. But the process of physical contraction and increased heat production continued in the central mass of the nebular remnant.

          10,000,000,000 years ago the quartan cycle of Andronover began. The maximum of nuclear-mass temperature had been attained; the critical point of condensation was approaching. The original mother nucleus was convulsing under the combined pressure of its own internal-heat condensation tension and the increasing gravity-tidal pull of the surrounding swarm of liberated sun systems. The nuclear eruptions which were to inaugurate the second nebular sun cycle were imminent. The quartan cycle of nebular existence was about to begin.



          8,000,000,000 years ago the terrific terminal eruption began. Only the outer systems are safe at the time of such a cosmic upheaval. And this was the beginning of the end of the nebula. This final sun disgorgement extended over a period of almost two billion years.

          7,000,000,000 years ago witnessed the height of the Andronover terminal breakup. This was the period of the birth of the larger terminal suns and the apex of the local physical disturbances.

          6,000,000,000 years ago marks the end of the terminal breakup and the birth of your sun, the fifty-sixth from the last of the Andronover second solar family. This final eruption of the nebular nucleus gave birth to 136,702 suns, most of them solitary orbs. The total number of suns and sun systems having origin in the Andronover nebula was 1,013,628. The number of the solar system sun is 1,013,572.

          And now the great Andronover nebula is no more, but it lives on in the many suns and their planetary families which originated in this mother cloud of space. The final nuclear remnant of this magnificent nebula still burns with a reddish glow and continues to give forth moderate light and heat to its remnant planetary family of one hundred and sixty-five worlds, which now revolve about this venerable mother of two mighty generations of the monarchs of light.

5. ORIGIN OF MONMATIA--THE URANTIA SOLAR SYSTEM


          5,000,000,000 years ago your sun was a comparatively isolated blazing orb, having gathered to itself most of the near-by circulating matter of space, remnants of the recent upheaval which attended its own birth.

Today, your sun has achieved relative stability, but its eleven and one-half year sunspot cycles betray that it was a variable star in its youth. In the early days of your sun the continued contraction and consequent gradual increase of temperature initiated tremendous convulsions on its surface. These titanic heaves required three and one-half days to complete a cycle of varying brightness. This variable state, this periodic pulsation, rendered your sun highly responsive to certain outside influences which were to be shortly encountered.

          Thus was the stage of local space set for the unique origin of Monmatia, that being the name of your sun's planetary family, the solar system to which your world belongs. Less than one per cent of the planetary systems of Orvonton have had a similar origin.

          4,500,000,000 years ago the enormous Angona system began its approach to the neighborhood of this solitary sun. The center of this great system was a dark giant of space, solid, highly charged, and possessing tremendous gravity pull.

          As Angona more closely approached the sun, at moments of maximum expansion during solar pulsations, streams of gaseous material were shot out into space as gigantic solar tongues. At first these flaming gas tongues would invariably fall back into the sun, but as Angona drew nearer and nearer, the gravity pull of the gigantic visitor became so great that these tongues of gas would break off at certain points, the roots falling back into the sun while the outer sections would become detached to form independent bodies of matter, solar meteorites, which immediately started to revolve about the sun in elliptical orbits of their own.



          As the Angona system drew nearer, the solar extrusions grew larger and larger; more and more matter was drawn from the sun to become independent circulating bodies in surrounding space. This situation developed for about five hundred thousand years until Angona made its closest approach to the sun; whereupon the sun, in conjunction with one of its periodic internal convulsions, experienced a partial disruption; from opposite sides and simultaneously, enormous volumes of matter were disgorged. From the Angona side there was drawn out a vast column of solar gases, rather pointed at both ends and markedly bulging at the center, which became permanently detached from the immediate gravity control of the sun.

          This great column of solar gases which was thus separated from the sun subsequently evolved into the twelve planets of the solar system. The repercussional ejection of gas from the opposite side of the sun in tidal sympathy with the extrusion of this gigantic solar system ancestor, has since condensed into the meteors and space dust of the solar system, although much, very much, of this matter was subsequently recaptured by solar gravity as the Angona system receded into remote space.

          Although Angona succeeded in drawing away the ancestral material of the solar system planets and the enormous volume of matter now circulating about the sun as asteroids and meteors, it did not secure for itself any of this solar matter. The visiting system did not come quite close enough to actually steal any of the sun's substance, but it did swing sufficiently close to draw off into the intervening space all of the material comprising the present-day solar system.

          The five inner and five outer planets soon formed in miniature from the cooling and condensing nucleuses in the less massive and tapering ends of the gigantic gravity bulge which Angona had succeeded in detaching from the sun, while Saturn and Jupiter were formed from the more massive and bulging central portions. The powerful gravity pull of Jupiter and Saturn early captured most of the material stolen from Angona as the retrograde motion of certain of their satellites bears witness.

          Jupiter and Saturn, being derived from the very center of the enormous column of superheated solar gases, contained so much highly heated sun material that they shone with a brilliant light and emitted enormous volumes of heat; they were in reality secondary suns for a short period after their formation as separate space bodies. These two largest of the solar system planets have remained largely gaseous to this day, not even yet having cooled off to the point of complete condensation or solidification.

          The gas-contraction nucleuses of the other ten planets soon reached the stage of solidification and so began to draw to themselves increasing quantities of the meteoric matter circulating in near-by space. The worlds of the solar system thus had a double origin: nucleuses of gas condensation later on augmented by the capture of enormous quantities of meteors. Indeed they still continue to capture meteors, but in greatly lessened numbers.



          The planets do not swing around the sun in the equatorial plane of their solar mother, which they would do if they had been thrown off by solar revolution. Rather, they travel in the plane of the Angona solar extrusion, which existed at a considerable angle to the plane of the sun's equator.

          While Angona was unable to capture any of the solar mass, your sun did add to its metamorphosing planetary family some of the circulating space material of the visiting system. Due to the intense gravity field of Angona, its tributary planetary family pursued orbits of considerable distance from the dark giant; and shortly after the extrusion of the solar system ancestral mass and while Angona was yet in the vicinity of the sun, three of the major planets of the Angona system swung so near to the massive solar system ancestor that its gravitational pull, augmented by that of the sun, was sufficient to overbalance the gravity grasp of Angona and to permanently detach these three tributaries of the celestial wanderer.

          All of the solar system material derived from the sun was originally endowed with a homogeneous direction of orbital swing, and had it not been for the intrusion of these three foreign space bodies, all solar system material would still maintain the same direction of orbital movement. As it was, the impact of the three Angona tributaries injected new and foreign directional forces into the emerging solar system with the resultant appearance of retrograde motion. Retrograde motion in any astronomic system is always accidental and always appears as a result of the collisional impact of foreign space bodies. Such collisions may not always produce retrograde motion, but no retrograde ever appears except in a system containing masses which have diverse origins.


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PAPER 15: Section 3.
The Superuniverse Of Orvonton


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P167:4, 15:3.1 Practically all of the starry realms visible to the naked eye on Urantia belong to the seventh section of the grand universe, the superuniverse of Orvonton. The vast Milky Way starry system represents the central nucleus of Orvonton, being largely beyond the borders of your local universe. This great aggregation of suns, dark islands of space, double stars, globular clusters, star clouds, spiral and other nebulae, together with myriads of individual planets, forms a watchlike, elongated-circular grouping of about one seventh of the inhabited evolutionary universes.

P167:5, 15:3.2 From the astronomical position of Urantia, as you look through the cross section of near-by systems to the great Milky Way, you observe that the spheres of Orvonton are traveling in a vast elongated plane, the breadth being far greater than the thickness and the length far greater than the breadth.

P167:6, 15:3.3 Observation of the so-called Milky Way discloses the comparative increase in Orvonton stellar density when the heavens are viewed in one direction, while on either side the density diminishes; the number of stars and other spheres decreases away from the chief plane of our material superuniverse. When the angle of observation is propitious, gazing through the main body of this realm of maximum density, you are looking toward the residential universe and the center of all things.


P167:7, 15:3.4   Of the ten major divisions of Orvonton, eight have been roughly identified by Urantian astronomers. The other two are difficult of separate recognition because you are obliged to view these phenomena from the inside. If you could look upon the superuniverse of Orvonton from a position far distant in space, you would immediately recognize the ten major sectors of the seventh galaxy.
P168:1, 15:3.5 The rotational center of your minor sector is situated far away in the enormous and dense star cloud of Sagittarius, around which your local universe and its associated creations all move, and from opposite sides of the vast Sagittarius subgalactic system you may observe two great streams of star clouds emerging in stupendous stellar coils.

P168:2, 15:3.6 The nucleus of the physical system to which your sun and its associated planets belong is the center of the onetime Andronover nebula. This former spiral nebula was slightly distorted by the gravity disruptions associated with the events which were attendant upon the birth of your solar system, and which were occasioned by the near approach of a large neighboring nebula. This near collision changed Andronover into a somewhat globular aggregation but did not wholly destroy the two-way procession of the suns and their associated physical groups. Your solar system now occupies a fairly central position in one of the arms of this distorted spiral, situated about halfway from the center out towards the edge of the star stream.


P168:3, 15:3.7 The Sagittarius sector and all other sectors and divisions of Orvonton are in rotation around Uversa, and some of the confusion of Urantian star observers arises out of the illusions and relative distortions produced by the following multiple revolutionary movements:

1.   The revolution of Urantia around its sun.
2.   The circuit of your solar system about the nucleus of the former Andronover nebula.
3.   The rotation of the Andronover stellar family and the associated clusters about the composite rotation-gravity center of the star cloud of Nebadon.
4.   The swing of the local star cloud of Nebadon and its associated creations around the Sagittarius center of their minor sector.
5.   The rotation of the one hundred minor sectors, including Sagittarius, about their major sector.
6.   The whirl of the ten major sectors, the so-called star drifts, about the Uversa headquarters of Orvonton.
7.   The movement of Orvonton and six associated superuniverses around Paradise and Havona, the counterclockwise processional of the superuniverse space level.



P168:11, 15:3.8 These multiple motions are of several orders: The space paths of your planet and your solar system are genetic, inherent in origin. The absolute counterclockwise motion of Orvonton is also genetic, inherent in the architectural plans of the master universe. But the intervening motions are of composite origin, being derived in part from the constitutive segmentation of matter-energy into the superuniverses and in part produced by the intelligent and purposeful action of the Paradise force organizers.


P168:12, 15:3.9 The local universes are in closer proximity as they approach Havona; the circuits are greater in number, and there is increased superimposition, layer upon layer. But farther out from the eternal center there are fewer and fewer systems, layers, circuits, and universes.

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P465:6, 41:10.1 Some of the variable stars, in or near the state of maximum pulsation, are in process of giving origin to subsidiary systems, many of which will eventually be much like your own sun and its revolving planets. Your sun was in just such a state of mighty pulsation when the massive Angona system swung into near approach, and the outer surface of the sun began to erupt veritable streams -- continuous sheets -- of matter. This kept up with ever-increasing violence until nearest apposition, when the limits of solar cohesion were reached and a vast pinnacle of matter, the ancestor of the solar system, was disgorged. In similar circumstances the closest approach of the attracting body sometimes draws off whole planets, even a quarter or third of a sun. These major extrusions form certain peculiar cloud-bound types of worlds, spheres much like Jupiter and Saturn.

P466:1, 41:10.2 The majority of solar systems, however, had an origin entirely different from yours, and this is true even of those which were produced by gravity-tidal technique. But no matter what technique of world building obtains, gravity always produces the solar system type of creation; that is, a central sun or dark island with planets, satellites, subsatellites, and meteors.
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« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2007, 01:26:53 pm »

Astronomers Find Enormous Hole in the Universe - Found at http://www.nrao.edu/pr/2007/coldspot/

Astronomers have found an enormous hole in the Universe, nearly a billion light-years across, empty of both normal matter such as stars, galaxies, and gas, and the mysterious, unseen "dark matter." While earlier studies have shown holes, or voids, in the large-scale structure of the Universe, this new discovery dwarfs them all.



Hole in Universe revealed by its effect
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"Not only has no one ever found a void this big, but we never even expected to find one this size," said Lawrence Rudnick of the University of Minnesota. Rudnick, along with Shea Brown and Liliya R. Williams, also of the University of Minnesota, reported their findings in a paper accepted for publication in the Astrophysical Journal.

Astronomers have known for years that, on large scales, the Universe has voids largely empty of matter. However, most of these voids are much smaller than the one found by Rudnick and his colleagues. In addition, the number of discovered voids decreases as the size increases.

"What we've found is not normal, based on either observational studies or on computer simulations of the large-scale evolution of the Universe," Williams said.

The astronomers drew their conclusion by studying data from the NRAO VLA Sky Survey (NVSS), a project that imaged the entire sky visible to the Very Large Array (VLA) radio telescope, part of the National Science Foundation's National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO). Their careful study of the NVSS data showed a remarkable drop in the number of galaxies in a region of sky in the constellation Eridanus.

"We already knew there was something different about this spot in the sky," Rudnick said. The region had been dubbed the "WMAP Cold Spot," because it stood out in a map of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation made by the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotopy Probe (WMAP) satellite, launched by NASA in 2001. The CMB, faint radio waves that are the remnant radiation from the Big Bang, is the earliest "baby picture" available of the Universe. Irregularities in the CMB show structures that existed only a few hundred thousand years after the Big Bang.

The WMAP satellite measured temperature differences in the CMB that are only millionths of a degree. The cold region in Eridanus was discovered in 2004.

Astronomers wondered if the cold spot was intrinsic to the CMB, and thus indicated some structure in the very early Universe, or whether it could be caused by something more nearby through which the CMB had to pass on its way to Earth. Finding the dearth of galaxies in that region by studying NVSS data resolved that question.

"Although our surprising results need independent confirmation, the slightly colder temperature of the CMB in this region appears to be caused by a huge hole devoid of nearly all matter roughly 6-10 billion light-years from Earth," Rudnick said.

How does a lack of matter cause a cooler temperature in the Big Bang's remnant radiation as seen from Earth?

Photons of the CMB gain a small amount of energy when they pass through a region of space populated by matter. This effect is caused by the enigmatic "dark energy" that is accelerating the expansion of the Universe. This gain in photon energy makes the CMB appear slightly warmer in that direction. When the photons pass through an empty void, they lose a small amount of energy from this effect, and so the CMB radiation passing through such a region appears cooler.

The acceleration of the Universe's expansion, and thus dark energy, were discovered less than a decade ago. The physical properties of dark energy are unknown, though it is by far the most abundant form of energy in the Universe today. Learning its nature is one of the most fundamental current problems in astrophysics.

The NVSS imaged the roughly 82 percent of the sky visible from the New Mexico site of the VLA. The survey consists of 217,446 individual observations that consumed 2,940 hours of telescope time between 1993 and 1997. A set of 2,326 images was produced from the data, and these images are available via the NRAO Web site. The survey also produced a catalog of more than 1.8 million individual objects identifiable in the images. The NVSS has been cited in more than 1,200 scientific papers.

NASA's WMAP satellite, using microwave amplifiers produced by NRAO's Central Development Laboratory, has yielded a wealth of new information about the age and history of the Universe, the emergence of the first stars, and the composition of the Universe. WMAP results have been extensively cited by scientists in a wide variety of astrophysical specialties.

The National Radio Astronomy Observatory is a facility of the National Science Foundation, operated under cooperative agreement by Associated Universities, Inc. This research at the University of Minnesota is supported by individual investigator grants from the NSF and NASA.

The reasearch for the press release can be found here:  http://merlinsscience.0catch.com/files/0704.0908v2.pdf

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Enormous Hole in the Universe -? ? ?


14:1.7

On the outskirts of this vast central universe, far out beyond the seventh belt of Havona worlds, there swirl an unbelievable number of enormous dark gravity bodies. These multitudinous dark masses are quite unlike other space bodies in many particulars; even in form they are very different. These dark gravity bodies neither reflect nor absorb light; they are nonreactive to physical-energy light, and they so completely encircle and enshroud Havona as to hide it from the view of even near-by inhabited universes of time and space.

The great belt of dark gravity bodies is divided into two equal elliptical circuits by a unique space intrusion. The inner belt revolves counterclockwise; the outer revolves clockwise. These alternate directions of motion, coupled with the extraordinary mass of the dark bodies, so effectively equalize the lines of Havona gravity as to render the central universe a physically balanced and perfectly stabilized creation.

The inner procession of dark gravity bodies is tubular in arrangement, consisting of three circular groupings. A cross section of this circuit would exhibit three concentric circles of about equal density. The outer circuit of dark gravity bodies is arranged perpendicularly, being ten thousand times higher than the inner circuit. The up-and-down diameter of the outer circuit is fifty thousand times that of the transverse diameter.

The intervening space which exists between these two circuits of gravity bodies is unique in that nothing like it is to be found elsewhere in all the wide universe. This zone is characterized by enormous wave movements of an up-and-down nature and is permeated by tremendous energy activities of an unknown order.

In our opinion, nothing like the dark gravity bodies of the central universe will characterize the future evolution of the outer space levels; we regard these alternate processions of stupendous gravity-balancing bodies as unique in the master universe.

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« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2007, 10:59:58 am »

Well, there is that interpretation...  It's a bit vague and suggests that there is something being hidden behind the counter-rotation of super dark objects.  Not quite as "specific" as I would have liked.  However, there is this quote that was penned in 1996 - a full 11 years prior to the discovery:

...my theory predicts the existence of huge gaps of absolute "Nothingness" in the universe (holes), stretching a billion Ly or more, caused by the absence of space-time fabric in a classical sense.  My theory holds that there are regions of this membrane (brane) that are so dense that they are literally twisted into areas thought to possess Super Massive Black holes (SMBs).  In fact, I contend that the SMBs are probably created at these points because of the fantastic amount of gravity present due to the density of the fabric itself.  In other words, they occurred by default.  The dense regions focus (attenuate) the force we perceive as gravity and are the sole reason for the creation of the shadowy element named Dark Matter.  Conversely, my theory proposes regions so thin so as to not even be capable of transmitting 1 particle per C3 of standard model particles and forces.  These regions are the ones that will be driving "expansion" (by Standard Model terminology) because none of the 4 standard forces we experience on our brane will be present to mute or warp the other forces transmitted (albeit weakly) from the higher-dimensional bulk.  The resulting effect is what the purveyors of mysticism have named Dark Energy though they only peripherally glimpse it.  The idea that the bulk can never leak into the brane is merely an assumption that the "Standard-Modelers" have adopted so that we can never glimpse the edge of inflation.  I contend that these "holes" will be just that - the regions being "expanded toward".    I can only imagine the double-talk and stammering when these "thin" regions are finally viewed.  Of course - no one will be "wrong", they'll simply be less right than previously thought.

Then there was this little ditty that surfaced three years back...

...what I'm seeing is a whole lot of "Nothing".  "Nothing", that is  so pervasive, that it borders on being "Something".  I'll grant my counterparts in astrophysics a little latitude and allow for a bit of "Nothing" in order to account for the regions where galactic formation created pockets (voids) of low density; however, there is a hell of a lot of "Absolute Nothing" on the map above.  Regions completely devoid of "Anything" at all.  We aren't talking about cooler than their surroundings - we're talking about "Nothing" at all.  I predict that we will (eventually) locate huge swathes or "holes" in the surrounding universe that will completely defy logic (as predicated upon the current Big Bang Model).  This finding along with the understanding that the universe is still expanding at an ever-increasing rate will further (errantly) bolster the confidence of the  proponents for the mythical faery tale - Dark Energy.  Sadly, the holes themselves will be found to be devoid even of "Dark Matter" - the other astrophysical faery-tale creature.  There will be lots of head scratching, but I rest assured that they'll eventually come up with a way to make their error-ridden theories seem a little less wrong.

These two are my idea of specific predictions that cannot be argued with.  Neither of them leave any room for interpretation, require "magical mystery beings" to explain, or are so general in nature so as to be applicable to a number of different possibilities.

The first one was in a letter of rebuttal to a fellow researcher who had published, and the second was a reply to a pair of guys looking for a 3rd party review of their paper investigating the evidence of the Big Bang.  Both are also on my website and have appeared in the texts of a pair of books of mine.  At any rate, because my predictions are coming true, I do not claim to be God, nor am I in the process of founding a new religion.  I am simply highlighting what "real prophecy" should look like if it were written by those who truly understood. 

Just wait until the Big Bang is nixed and the idea that the universe is infinitely old is realized...  Then people will claim I'm walking on water and turning it into wine.
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« Reply #70 on: September 25, 2007, 01:26:10 am »

Merl,

This should be easy to figure out if you know where to look.  I don't,  maybe you do.  I don't know where the "hole" is occurring although I have done some research on the location of the constellation Eridanus,  which appears to be near Orion.  That is interesting in and of itself considering the Egyptians focused a lot of attention on Orion indicating that had some connection to their origin.

A key sentence appears which says......."When the angle of observation is propitious, gazing through the main body of this realm of maximum density, you are looking toward the residential universe and the center of all things."

In context this reads........




15:3. THE SUPERUNIVERSE OF ORVONTON

15:3.1 Practically all of the starry realms visible to the naked eye on Urantia belong to the seventh section of the grand universe, the superuniverse of Orvonton. The vast Milky Way  starry system represents the central nucleus of Orvonton, being largely beyond the borders of your local universe. This great aggregation of suns, dark islands of space, double stars, globular clusters, star clouds, spiral and other nebulae, together with myriads of individual planets, forms a watchlike, elongated-circular grouping of about one seventh of the inhabited evolutionary universes.

15:3.2 From the astronomical position of Urantia, as you look through the cross section of near-by systems to the great  Milky Way , you observe that the spheres of Orvonton are traveling in a vast elongated plane, the breadth being far greater than the thickness and the length far greater than the breadth.

15:3.3 Observation of the so-called  Milky Way  discloses the comparative increase in Orvonton stellar density when the heavens are viewed in one direction, while on either side the density diminishes; the number of stars and other spheres decreases away from the chief plane of our material superuniverse. When the angle of observation is propitious, gazing through the main body of this realm of maximum density, you are looking toward the residential universe and the center of all things.

15:3.4 Of the ten major divisions of Orvonton, eight have been roughly identified by Urantian astronomers. The other two are difficult of separate recognition because you are obliged to view these phenomena from the inside. If you could look upon the superuniverse of Orvonton from a position far-distant in space, you would immediately recognize the ten major sectors of the seventh galaxy.

15:3.5 The rotational center of your minor sector is situated far away in the enormous and dense star cloud of Sagittarius, around which your local universe and its associated creations all move, and from opposite sides of the vast Sagittarius subgalactic system you may observe two great streams of star clouds emerging in stupendous stellar coils.

15:3.6 The nucleus of the physical system to which your sun and its associated planets belong is the center of the onetime Andronover nebula. This former spiral nebula was slightly distorted by the gravity disruptions associated with the events which were attendant upon the birth of your solar system, and which were occasioned by the near approach of a large neighboring nebula. This near collision changed Andronover into a somewhat globular aggregation but did not wholly destroy the two-way procession of the suns and their associated physical groups. Your solar system now occupies a fairly central position in one of the arms of this distorted spiral, situated about halfway from the center out towards the edge of the star stream.

15:3.7 The Sagittarius sector and all other sectors and divisions of Orvonton are in rotation around Uversa, and some of the confusion of Urantian star observers arises out of the illusions and relative distortions produced by the following multiple revolutionary movements:


1.   The revolution of Urantia around its sun.

2.   The circuit of your solar system about the nucleus of the former Andronover nebula.

3.   The rotation of the Andronover stellar family and the associated clusters about the composite rotation-gravity center of the star cloud of Nebadon.

4.   The swing of the local star cloud of Nebadon and its associated creations around the Sagittarius center of their minor sector.

5.   The rotation of the one hundred minor sectors, including Sagittarius, about their major sector.

6.   The whirl of the ten major sectors, the so-called star drifts, about the Uversa headquarters of Orvonton.

7.   The movement of Orvonton and six associated superuniverses around Paradise and Havona, the counterclockwise processional of the superuniverse space level.

15:3.8 These multiple motions are of several orders: The space paths of your planet and your solar system are genetic, inherent in origin. The absolute counterclockwise motion of Orvonton is also genetic, inherent in the architectural plans of the master universe. But the intervening motions are of composite origin, being derived in part from the constitutive segmentation of matter-energy into the superuniverses and in part produced by the intelligent and purposeful action of the Paradise force organizers.

15:3.9 The local universes are in closer proximity as they approach Havona; the circuits are greater in number, and there is increased superimposition, layer upon layer. But farther out from the eternal center there are fewer and fewer systems, layers, circuits, and universes.


So,  if this "hole is appearing beyond the center of the Milky Way it is a good indication that we have discovered the Paradise center of all things.  If not,  then it is a mysterious anomoly as predicted by your excerpt.  I don't understand why you consider it vague.  It seems pretty clear to me.  Smiley
Furthermore it is explained in detail here.  I thought you said you read this.  I don't know how any description could be less vague.  You could use the term incredible or amazing or unbelievable,  but certainly not vague.

http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p011.htm

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I am simply highlighting what "real prophecy" should look like if it were written by those who truly understood. 

This is such an arrogant statement Merl,  Trust me,  they do understand and you are being quite presumptious suggesting what real prophecy should look like.  Besides,  we are not talking about prophecy.  There is a difference between prophecy and revelation.  I suppose now you want to theorize about what real revelation should look like.  Smiley
What do you want everything on a silver platter?   You know why it was done the way it was.

You and I both know there was no "Big Bang" and String theory is a parlor game for theoretical physicists similar to astrology for the superstitious  astronomy wannabees who wish everyone to be as confused and ignorant as they are.

BTW  nice to see you back.  Wish I was more of a challenge to you.  C'est la vie.
I was thinking about black holes the other day and wonder if there is any difference between them and what is happening in the center of my bathtub drain as the water drains or what is happening in the center of a hurricane eye which is completely calm.



 15:4.2 The Paradise force organizers transmute space potency into primordial force and evolve this prematerial potential into the primary and secondary energy manifestations of physical reality. When this energy attains gravity-responding levels, the power directors and their associates of the superuniverse regime appear upon the scene and begin their never-ending manipulations designed to establish the manifold power circuits and energy channels of the universes of time and space. Thus does physical matter appear in space, and so is the stage set for the inauguration of universe organization.

15:4.3 This segmentation of energy is a phenomenon which has never been solved by the physicists of Nebadon. Their chief difficulty lies in the relative inaccessibility of the Paradise force organizers, for the living power directors, though they are competent to deal with space-energy, do not have the least conception of the origin of the energies they so skillfully and intelligently manipulate.

15:4.4 Paradise force organizers are nebulae originators; they are able to initiate about their space presence the tremendous cyclones of force which, when once started, can never be stopped or limited until the all-pervading forces are mobilized for the eventual appearance of the ultimatonic units of universe matter. Thus are brought into being the spiral and other nebulae, the mother wheels of the direct-origin suns and their varied systems. In outer space there may be seen ten different forms of nebulae, phases of primary universe evolution, and these vast energy wheels had the same origin as did those in the seven superuniverses.




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Just wait until the Big Bang is nixed and the idea that the universe is infinitely old is realized...  Then people will claim I'm walking on water and turning it into wine.

  Merl,  I posted this a few posts back.   Some of us do realize that the universe is nearly infinitely old;  certainly more than 13 billion years.   How long do you think it will take science to begin to approach the 987 billion year figure? And that is for the youngest of the 7 superuniverses,...ours.  There's quite a difference between 13b  and 987b.  That's pretty wierd.  What could be causing such a great discrepency except the 2 billion year space respiration cycle which science still doesn't have any idea about besides big bang/big crunch theory. 
 LOL 



 987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton.

          900,000,000,000 years ago the Uversa archives testify, there was recorded a permit issued by the Uversa Council of Equilibrium to the superuniverse government authorizing the dispatch of a force organizer and staff to the region previously designated by inspector number 811,307. The Orvonton authorities commissioned the original discoverer of this potential universe to execute the mandate of the Ancients of Days calling for the organization of a new material creation.



The recording of this permit signifies that the force organizer and staff had already departed from Uversa on the long journey to that easterly space sector where they were subsequently to engage in those protracted activities which would terminate in the emergence of a new physical creation in Orvonton.

          875,000,000,000 years ago the enormous Andronover nebula number 876,926 was duly initiated. Only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy whirl which eventually grew into this vast cyclone of space. Subsequent to the initiation of such nebular revolutions, the living force organizers simply withdraw at right angles to the plane of the revolutionary disk, and from that time forward, the inherent qualities of energy insure the progressive and orderly evolution of such a new physical system.




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