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the Origins of Love - Past, Present or Future

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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2007, 11:18:10 pm »

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What is it? You are dying to have everything stated in my own personal words?
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Now you're getting it! Just like everyone else...


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You are so demanding, does your wife put with this stuff from you?
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Everyone who knows me knows that I do these things for a reason, and if they bear with me, they will see fruit. Things are not always simply a burden. Look deeper!


 
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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2007, 11:18:34 pm »

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Man! The arguments are spilling over into every thread!
If the purpose of love is to be closer to God, or to know God, what is the purpose of something like unrequited love? Love that's never fulfilled? Stalking? For torture..? Heehee.

 
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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2007, 11:19:03 pm »

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Welcome back, ms. Jennie
I personally don't think the purpose of love is to get closer to God, but that is just one of it's many uses; Perhaps it may even just be a SIDEEFFECT; that is, you are happy with God because he/she/it has let you love someone/thing, and you are satisfied?

Love, sadly, is still a mystery, and because we cannot fully comprehend it, it shall forever remain that way.

Anything goes..

 
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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2007, 11:19:28 pm »

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Didn't Jeffrey Dahmer kill and eat his victims because he feared they were going to leave him, because he didn't want to be alone? In his mind, and, I imagine, by your own definition, he was "in love," too.
Explain that one.


 
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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2007, 11:20:10 pm »

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Dahmer was a nut-job and has no place in this discussion.
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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2007, 11:21:12 pm »

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Yet, he was in love! As was John Hinckley, Jr., when he shot Reagan, in love with Jody Foster. (It would seem that I can turn each argument against any of you, at anyplace, or anytime). 
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2007, 11:22:01 pm »

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My Sad Ducky,
Sideffect: agreed.
Happy with God cause you're in love: heck no, you're just plain HAPPY!!!!
I don't know about you, but when I fall in love often, I see fireworks. When two people connect on a spiritual and physical level, I mean really connect, is there anything better?

I think not.

Love is not rational, it's crazy, and that seems to we why we all like it!
How drab would the world be without love?
We'd all end up like crabby old Aristotle here!


 
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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2007, 11:22:31 pm »

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Didn't Jeffrey Dahmer kill and eat his victims because he feared they were going to leave him, because he didn't want to be alone? In his mind, and, I imagine, by your own definition, he was "in love," too.
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Why not? Should the meaning of "love" change? Why do we put our own restrictions on something that cannot be restricted?

It's all in perception.

Consider that for thousands of years - human sacrifice was an integral part of many societies. the Aztecs would offer up their beloved little ones to be killed and eviscerated. And "love" was very much associated with the act.

Back to Dahmer - his acts are very similar - only the perception of society has changed.

We, humans, give the meaning to love that we want it to have. I can't see that anyone can say Dahmer did not love his victims - unless someone here is a psychic - and I'm sure not.

What is in question with Dahmer is his acts - not his feelings.

BTW - the cannabalism is an ancient ritual of love - consider the symbolic "eating of the dead god-man" which some call the Holy Sacrament. Communion.

Just my two cents. 

 
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« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2007, 11:23:05 pm »

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Well , Tippy WTF can anyone possible have to offer after that post?
That really summed up love for me , yup sure enough.


 
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« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2007, 11:23:45 pm »

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Tippy, if "we, humans, give the meaning to love that we want it to have," my meaning for love sure as heck isn't going to include killing and eating people. And, if you ask me, the Aztecs were pretty nutty, too. I don't know how people got on Dahmer here anyway, he was really a sick guy.
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« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2007, 11:25:46 pm »

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Tippy, if "we, humans, give the meaning to love that we want it to have," my meaning for love sure as heck isn't going to include killing and eating people. And, if you ask me, the Aztecs were pretty nutty, too. I don't know how people got on Dahmer here anyway, he was really a sick guy.
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I agree - I'm just trying to illustrate that the "meaning of love" is one of perception in our various societies.

Since Dahmer said he loved his victims - I see no reason not to believe him - inasmuch as he thought he could love.

Andrea Yates (conviction now overturned) said she killed her kids out of love. She is a more frequent case in this day and age. A parent killing "to protect". Sick to a normal mind - but understood to a mind steeped in desperation, in her case, brought on by religious extremism and post-partum mental illness.

I'm not sure who brought Dahmer into this thread - but it is good to show that 'love' isn't always the fluffy, peach-colored, window we want it to be.

Love doesn't hurt - our expectations hurt us.

 
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« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2007, 11:26:20 pm »

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gee Tippy,
you're getting very profound on us lately. I might have to reconsider.

Regarding Dahlmer though, I seem to remember that he used to drill holes in their heads and pour molten metal in while they were still concious.
I guess you only hurt the ones you love.

this thread is sounding more like it belongs in the Lucifers Children folder.

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« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2007, 11:27:06 pm »

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I could have gone all day without the picture in my mind of someone pouring molten metal into skull holes.
All I can say is, "That God for our very human ability to go into physical shock."


 
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« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2007, 11:27:41 pm »

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I am the origin of love, because I am love. 
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« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2007, 11:28:14 pm »

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Dorian, I think they're still talking about heterosexual love here. Once we get into homosexual love, feel free to chime in. 
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