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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2007, 06:03:07 am »

DEAR,. . . . JULIA,


 Cry   Sad      Dr.Velikovsky had studied  psychology in Moskau Russia then geology, apparently in Princeton.
During his geology study he noticed that sometimes younger layers of earth were under older earthlayers.
this Phenomenon is not uncommon it is called:"Overtrusting of Earth-Layers during seismic shockwaves that" liquifie rocks temporarily ."

As you know the PERSIANS CAME TO WORLDPOWER in 539 bc and conquered Egypt in 525 bc.( last dynasty: nr 25.)

During their 200 years rule from 525-333 bc They left the government of Egypt to native King-Priests who styled themselves Pharaohs but were in reality vassal rullers in Egypt for the Persians.( 26-28-th Dynasty.)


Yet when establishing the( wrong sequence of Egyptian Dynasties the Belgian Egyptologist Emile Brugsch, counted the 18-th dynasty triplet: because the Two lands of Egypt had double kinglists in their two Capitals which he counted double.    But he did not notice that in 1850 (ad.)

Thus the 12-th 18-th and 22-th Dynasties were in reality only the 18-th Dynasty, and the 19-th & 20-th Dynasty were in reality the two persuian Dynasties, when the kings called Rammesses were in fact vassal Persian Rulers.   THIS SEEMS COMPLICFATED AND IT IS,  BUT Dr Velikovky NOTICED THIS , but his collegues did not want to believe him because he was a geologist who was:"Trespassing"on the Egyptologist-Territory

I am sure that you will forget this explanation, why Dr Velikovskly remained the only Scholar who discovered this from a geologist point of view, and I am sure that you will continue to wonder whether he was right or wrong.(  W Albright and Thielke were contemporary Chronology bashers". )

That's why one needs a good TIMELINE, which I have made but with almost 20 MB in text and pictures it  is too large for most Email limmited posts to open.  I am not sure whether you have seen it in the past because your Email limit may be just 2 mb too.

So Rammesses-2 is just a propaganda name for the Vassal-Persian Ruler called Nectanebo-1, who in his official chronical does not admit to his people that he is just a poetty king and not a full Pharaoh.

ABOUT Hittites in Anatolia:

Dr V has discovered too that there were never Hittites in Anatolia
We only think this because the Neo-BABYLONIANS ( dd 599-539 bc.) have conquerred Israel and South-Arabia which were originally HATT-lands and Nabopolassar & Nebukadnesar re-styled themselves
Kings of Hatti with Hatti names: Nabopolassar became Muwattalis & NEBUKADNESAR BECAME HATTUSSHILLI-3 it is as simple as that.

When I compress the 20 mb Timeline it becomse not much litte that 17 Mb and I cannot send it in Part because I am constantly cangeing it.  So to view my timeline again You will have to accept a 20 Mb-File.

About Georgeos, he calls hymself a Scryptologist and a linguist first then an amareur Historian later, so his quotations on Peoples migrations in historivcal times is less than yours because he specialized in Greek times just before the times that you are inbtrested in. That's why there is a difgference between you to, because you talk about differend times, you must have noticed that by now !

Julia I, HOPE THAT YOU ARE SATISFIED BY MY  MAKESHIFT EXPLANATION ABOVE. . . .
I the current TimeFrame Dr Velikovsky seems/ is wrong, but actually the present timeFrame was wrong from the staert and he corrected it with strong opposition of jeallous scholars.

Dr V's discovery is astonishing in it's symplicity . The official year 1500 bc is actually the year 1000 bc.
So, when Moses was supposed the make his exodus in 1555 bc ( not 1250 bc.) than he actually did this in the year 1055 bc and Dr.Velikovsky also discovered that this Exodus did not cover 40 years but just 4 years ( from 1055 until 1050.) when he was murdered by his 1st wife (= Mirijam.)

If  people would know this at large it may discredit the truth of the Bible so the Press did not take much notice in 1949 when he published his preliminary findings in installments in a magazine of the Princeton university

Sincerely Yours,     Sad  "BlueHueSad


PS
The Georgeans were not the Colchians nor was Georgia ever the original Hibernia, because when the Earth turned it's axis during the( Velikovskian yera 855 bc.) the coordinates for Atlantis/Hyperia/Hibernia also turned upside down and thus the Starsign that was originally passing over Atlantis.

 afterwards , when the Earth turned 180% in 855 and re-established itselve, to 24% inclination, it was STILL upside-Down, but the same Starsign, that was passing over Atlantis, was now, passing over Georgia, but because it was too expensive to cange all the astronomical Books it the world, the Cartographers just renamed the Coutry names and not the Starsigns, thus Ethiopia was ( wrongly-)thought to be in Persia for a spell and Atlantis in Marrocco. Bye.




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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2009, 04:30:40 pm »

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Texts from the Medinet Habu Temple with Reference to the Sea Peoples


    The following texts are adapted from the translation by James Henry Breasted (2001). Breasted's original translation of the Medinet Habu texts, with commentary, can be found on pp. 3-85 in Breasted, J. H. 2001/1906. Ancient Records of Egypt vol. 4. Chicago: University of Illinois Press. 
 

Excerpt from Ramesses III's speech about the war against the Sea Peoples, year 8 (Breasted 2001: 37-39: sections 64-66):


    The countries -- --, the [Northerners] in their isles were disturbed, taken away in the [fray] -- at one time. Not one stood before their hands, from Kheta, Kode, Carchemish, Arvad, Alashia, they were wasted. {The}y {[set up]} a camp in one place in Amor. They desolated his people and his land like that which is not. They came with fire prepared before them, forward to Egypt. Their main support was Peleset, Tjekker, Shekelesh, Denyen, and Weshesh. (These) lands were united, and they laid their hands upon the land as far as the Circle of the Earth. Their hearts were confident, full of their plans.
    Now, it happened through this god, the lord of gods, that I was prepared and armed to [trap] them like wild fowl. He furnished my strength and caused my plans to prosper. I went forth, directing these marvelous things. I equipped my frontier in Zahi, prepared before them. The chiefs, the captains of infantry, the nobles, I caused to equip the river-mouths [1], like a strong wall, with warships, galleys, and barges, [--]. They were manned [completely] from bow to stern with valiant warriors bearing their arms, soldiers of all the choicest of Egypt, being like lions roaring upon the mountain-tops. The charioteers were warriors [-- --], and all good officers, ready of hand. Their horses were quivering in their every limb, ready to crush the countries under their feet. I was the valiant Montu, stationed before them, that they might behold the hand-to-hand fighting of my arms. I, king Ramses III, was made a far-striding hero, conscious of his might, valiant to lead his army in the day of battle.
    Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their heart and their soul are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was in their front, before the river-mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water. (Thus) I turned back the waters to remember Egypt; when they mention my name in their land, may it consume them, while I sit upon the throne of Harakhte, and the serpent-diadem is fixed upon my head, like Re. I permit not the countries to see the boundaries of Egypt to [--] [among] them. As for the Nine Bows, I have taken away their land and their boundaries; they are added to mine. Their chiefs and their people (come) to me with praise. I carried out the plans of the All-Lord, the august, divine father, lord of the gods.

Texts found with the year 8 relief scenes of the Sea Peoples war (Breasted 2001: 41-49: sections 70-82):


    1. A scene depicting Ramesses overseeing the distribution of weapons to the soldiers:

    Text behind the king: All the gods are the protection of his limbs, to give to him might against every country.

    Text before the king: -------- king; he saith -- -- to the princes, every leader of the infantry and chariotry who are before his majesty: "Bring out the weapons --------. Let the archers march to destroy the enemies, who know not Egypt, with might."

    Text over the officials: Utterance of the princes, companions, and leaders of the infantry and chariotry: "Thou art the king who shinest upon Egypt. When {thou} ristest, the Two Lands live. Great is thy might in the midst of the Nine Bows. Thy roaring is as far as the circuit of the sun. The shadow of thy sword is over thy army. They march, filled with thy might. Thy heart is stout, (for) thy excellent plans are established. Amon-Re appears, leading the way. He lays low for thee every land beneath thy feet; {thy} heart is glad -- forever. [Thou art] the protection which comes forth without delay. The heart of the Temeh is {dis}turbed, the Peleset are hung up, [--] in their towns, by the might of thy father, Amon, who has decreed to thee --------."

    Text over officers by the weapons: -------- {Give} the weapons to the infantry, the chariotry and the archers --------.

    Text over officers distributing weapons: Take ye the {weapon}s of {King} Ramses III.

    Text over soldiers receiving weapons: The infantry and chariotry who are receiving {weapons}.

    2. A scene depicting Ramesses setting out in a chariot for Zahi, accompanied by both Egyptian and Shardana infantry:

    Text over the horses: Great first span of his majesty (named): "Amon-He-Giveth-the-Sword."
 
    Text behind the king and over the Shardana: His majesty marches out in victorious might, to destroy the rebellious countries. His majesty {marches out} for Zahi, like the form of Montu, to crush every country that has transgressed his boundary. His infantry are like bulls, ready for battle upon the field. {His} horses are like hawks in the midst of his fowl before him. The Nine Bows are under (his) power. Amon, his august father, is for him a shield, King -- --, Lord of the Two Lands, Ramses III.
 
    3. A scene depicting Ramesses charging the Sea Peoples with a drawn bow in his chariot with Egyptian and Shardana troops (the land battle relief):

    Text over the battle: -------- {at} the sight of him, as when Set is enraged, overthrowing the enemy before the celestial barque, trampling the lands and countries prostrate, crushed [--] before his horses. His heat consumes {them} like fire, desolating their gardens -- --.

    Text over the kings horses: Great first span of his majesty (named): "Beloved-of-Amon."
 
    4. A scene depicting the naval battle between the Egyptians and the Sea Peoples, with the king in his chariot on the shore:
 
    Text by the king: The Good God, Montu over Egypt, great in might, like Baal in the countries, mighty in strength, far-reaching in courage (lit., heart), strong-horned, terrible in his might, a -- wall, covering Egypt, so that every one coming shall not see it, King Ramses III.

    Text over the chariot: Lo, the northern countries, which are in their isles, are restless in their limbs; they infest the ways of the river-mouths. Their nostrils and their hearts cease breathing breath, when his majesty goes forth like a storm-wind against them, fighting upon the strand like a warrior. His puissance and the terror of him penetrate into their limbs. Capsized and perishing in their places, their hearts are taken, their souls fly away, and their weapons are cast out upon the sea. His arrows pierce whomsoever he will among them, and he who is hit falls into the water. His majesty is like an enraged lion, tearing him that confronts him with his hands (sic), fighting at close quarters on his right, valiant on his left, like Set; destroying the foe, like Amon-Re. He has laid low the lands, he has crushed every land beneath his feet, the king of Upper and Lower Egypt, the Lord of the Two Lands, Usermare-Meriamon.

    5. A scene depicting Ramesses, along with soldiers and court officials, overseeing the counting of Sea People captives and hands from slain enemies before a palace:

    Text by the king: Utterance of his majesty to the king's-children, the princes, the king's butlers, and the charioteers: "Behold ye, the great might of my father, Amon-Re. The countries which came from their isles in the midst of the sea, they advanced to Egypt, their hearts relying upon their arms. The net was made ready for them, to ensnare them. Entering stealthily into the river-mouth, they fell into it. Caught in their place, they were dispatched, and their bodies stripped. I showed you my might which was in that which my majesty wrought while I was alone. My arrow struck (lit., seized), and none escaped my arms nor my hand. I flourished like a hawk among the fowl; my talons descended upon their heads. Amon-Re was upon my right and upon my left, his might and his power were in my limbs, a tumult for you; commanding for me that my counsels and my designs should come to pass. Amon-Re established the -- of my enemies, giving to me every land in my grasp."

    Text over the officials: Utterance of the king's-children, the princes, and the companions; they reply to the Good God: "Thou art Re, shining like him. Thy might crushes the Nine Bows, every land trembles at thy name, thy fear is before them every day. Egypt rejoices in the strong-armed, the son of Amon, who is upon the throne, King Ramses III, given life, like Re."

    Text over the palace: Migdol of Ramses, Ruler of Heliopolis.

    Text over the king's horses: Great first span of his majesty (named): "Strong-is-Amon."

    Text over the grooms: Live the Good God, achieving with his arms, making every country into something that exists not, strong-armed, mighty, skilful of hand, King Ramses III.

    Text over the prisoners: Said the vanquished chieftains of Tjekker: "-------- like Baal -------- give to us {the breath that thou givest] --------."

    6. A scene in which the king leads captive Tjekker and Libyans before Amon, Mut, and Khonsu:

    Text over Amon: Utterance of Amon-Re, lord of heaven, ruler of gods: "Come thou with joy, slay thou the Nine Bows, lay low every opponent. Thou hast cast down the hearts of the Asiatics, thou takest breath from their nostrils, -- -- -- by my designs."

    Text before the king: Utterance of Ramses III before his father, Amon-Re, king of gods: "I went forth, that I might take captive the Nine Bows and slay all lands. Not a land stood fast before me, . . . . . . . . and my hands took captives in the van of every country, by the decrees which came forth from thy mouth, . . . . . . that I might overthrow my every opponent. The lands behold me with trembling, (for) I am like Montu, -- -- -- him who relies upon thy designs, O protector, lord of might --------."

    Text over the Tjekker: Said the fallen, the great ones of Tjekker, who were in the grasp of his majesty, while praising this Good God, Lord of the Two Lands, Usermare-Meriamon: "Great is thy strength, victorious king, great Sun of Egypt. Greater is thy might than a mountain of gritstone, and thy terror is like Set. Give to us breath, that we may breathe it, the life that is in thy grasp, forever."

    Text over the Libyans: Said the fallen of Libya, who were in the grasp of his majesty: "Breath, breath! O victorious king, Horus, great in kingship."

    7. A scene of Amon, with Mut, presenting a sword to Ramesses, who leads three lines of captives:

    Text before Amon: Utterance of Amon-Re, lord of heaven: "Come thou in peace! Thou hast taken captive thine adversary, and slain the invader of thy border. My strength was with thee, overthrowing for thee the lands. Thou cuttest off the heads of the Asiatics. I have given to thee thy great might, I overthrow for thee every land, when they see thy majesty in strength like my son, Baal in his wrath."

    Text before the king: Utterance of king Ramses III to his father, Amon-Re, ruler of the gods: "Great is thy might, O lord of gods. The things which issue from thy mouth, they come to pass without fail. . . . . . Thy strength is behind as a shield, that I may slay the lands and countries that invade my border. Thou puttest great terror of me in the hearts of their chiefs; the fear and dread of me before them; that I may carry off their warriors, bound in my grasp, to lead them to thy ka, O my august father, -- -- -- -- --. Come, to [take] them, being: Peleset, Denyen, Shekelesh. Thy strength it was which was before me, overthrowing their seed, -- thy might, O lord of gods. He who relies upon him whom thou hast entrusted with the kingship, and everyone who walks in thy way are in peace. Thou art the lord, strong-armed for him who leans his back upon thee, a Bull with two horns, ready, conscious of his strength. Thou art my august father, who createdst my beauty, that though mightest look upon me, and choose me to be lord of the Nine Bows. Let thy hand be with me, to slay him that invades me, and ward off every enemy that is in my limbs."

    Text over the captives: Utterance of the leaders of every country, who are in the grasp of his majesty: "Great is thy might, victorious king, great sun of Egypt. Greater is thy strength than a mountain of gritstone; thy might is like Baal. Give to us the breath that we breathe; the life which is in thy hands."
 
    Text over the middle line of captives: Utterance of the vanquished of Denyen: "Breath! Breath! O good ruler, great in might {like} Montu, residing in Thebes."

    Text over the lower line of captives: Utterance of the vanquished Peleset: "Give to us the breath for our nostrils, O king, son of Amon."
 

1. Here Breasted (2001: 38) gives the translation "harbor-mouths," since he takes the view that the wars with the Sea Peoples took place in Syria rather than in the Egyptian Delta. He notes, however, that the Egyptian phrase r'-kh'wt is used in the year 5 text to refer to the "river-mouths" (38, note h). Throughout this adaptation, "river-mouths" will be used whereBreasted uses "harbor-mouths."

Bibliography:

Breasted, J. H.
    2001/1906.     Ancient Records of Egypt vol. 4. Chicago: University of Illinois Press. 

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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2009, 06:54:15 am »

I already told 'QOAIS' that the Sea Peoples were the Punician sailors that the Persian Emperor Artaxerxes-2 send out to re-conquer Egypt for the Persian empire around 380 bc when Rammesses-3 reigned as" NECTANEBO-3 or Neferitis-3
the Sea fleet was levvied by the Persians from their Greek vassal -kings hence those many funny and probably -generic-names.of supposedly( greek) Sea peoples  Historials don't realioze that by Treaties kept very secret lest not to arrouse animosities from neighbouring City-States nearly ALL Greeks secretly sided with the Persian enemy because the Greeks did trust the Persians more than their own neighbours !

 Read dr. Velikovsky's "Peoples of the Sea and Rameses-2 the God-King( also known as General NECHO-2.)The Persian politics was to conquer the mediaterranean region by treaties of assistance rather than conduct Wars !

 after the Kings=Peace with Persia was concluded by general NIKIAS in 421 after that, the Greeks thought that they were free to start a trade empire in WEST Europe untill, to their horror, if not disappointment,  they discoverred that the secret diplomacy of Persia had there too concluded secret trade embargo treaties( that exonerated Athens to form colonies in west-Europe whereas they were already by treaty of 421 bc, forbidden to do so in the East.

This neccessitated Athens under ALKIBIADES to forcefully occupy the Port of SYRACUSE which was also a persian decendancy by a ruse
they bribed the City of LEONTINE to invite the Greek warfleet to " Liberate" them from the "oppressive" rule of the Syracusians !( of HIERO the TYRANT(= persian satrap/King !)But Leontine failed to provide provisions

And the end of this ill-famous RAID on SYRACUSE was that the entire War fleet of Athens was trapped ibn the Port of Syracuse where all 7.000 young athenian Sailors starved. This HYBRIS of Athens was the basic stor7y on which Plato built his Atlantis Satire
using an older similar Myth to give it some autenticity so that the HARMAST? Censors would not seize Plato's assets after publication

All Atlantologists deny that the Raid on Syracuse had anything to do with the 'Atlantis' story, but I already proofed that earlier, with no thanks !
The soldier burried in the courtyard of the Medinet Habu Temple of Queen Hatsepsuth were interred there by Rammesses-3 they were palestinian soldiers in the service of the Egyptians against teh invasion force of the Sea-Peoples led by the Persians and their coffins were made of Clay.

The Overall Leader: Admiral Pharnabazos a Satrap from the (former Greek )West- Coast of Turkey, was a slow worker and a carefull organizer, who let his changes go by. When the Nile flood came up it was impossible to enter Egypt from the North. The sub-Commander General Iphicrates said so, but was ignored because the commanding Admiral wanted to store enough food

for his soldiers to withstand a siege of the harbour of Memphis, in case that  the attack went sauer.( as it did.) 30 years later after the Persians mis-conducted their " SEA- Peoples attack on Memphis  King Artaxerxes-3 succeeded to overcome the Nile Guards and seize Memphis ( in 345 bc.established the persian 29-th Egyptian Dynasty.)until 333 bc another PERSIAN vassal-King Alexander threw off the Persian Yoke.

Anyway by refusing to read Dr V's book on the " Sea-Peoples " attacking Egypt in: 380 bc and NOT in: 1200 bc( when they did not exist yet.)
'BIANCA' and others refuse to see the book-reference as enough proof /evidence ,for discarding the SEA- Peoples hand in deminishing the Assyrians
Some people say that the First Greek set foot in greece as Minoan invader in 3500 bc or Mycenan invader in 1200(!) bc infact the First Greek entered Greece in ( only: 1055 bc.)because the ancient Chronologies have been exaggerated ( in 1850 ad.)on purpose by 500" Dark-age" years and we believed that !

Sincerely " BlueHue " dd June - 2009
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3: Greek-obsolete-Numeral 'X' caused Plato's Atlantisdate:9000=900
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